Why is everyone so crazy about e-braking?

[ZSPaulus]

Offcourse the ebrake is used a lot in drifting, but i have to agree (partially) with bobalob.
In drift competitions rules are set up in advance on how to judge the battles or runs. It's not uncommon for them to agree to say: using the ebrake to keep angle in your drift in corner X is regarded better then frontfoot braking. But using either one is considerd as a correction and is thus scored lower then not using it. (usually possoble because of better line or entry speed.

But do i regard some a lesser drifter when he uses the ebrake alot? No; its just his or her way (or favourite technique) of drifting.

 

[Jesus]

fools.

I havnt once said hanbrake is useless... read my post.

There is negative in this world children best not ignore it.

I will never lower myself in speculating others real cars, because you have no idea what I have and I you so attempting to score BIG TINTERNET points this way is laughable.

I stand by the FACT that using the hanbrake to maintain a slide is a less skillfull technique and hence weaker, and also looks dog **** to watch.

some people need to cry all the way back to forzas permenant steering aids.

Next time start a thread with the topic "positive comments only" if you can't handle some harsh facts.

How the **** rice came into it I never know but this is an example of the calibre of thought around here.

It amuses me that you have so much criticism about the drift community yet ive never seen you in these forums or in any teams lobby. Also I do know what you have, well what you dont have anyway, which is a capable drift car that you can give me advice from.

 

[Syntax error]

If you guys are not capable of sensible discussion, I will close the thread and hand out infractions. It's that simple. Please no name calling etc. It is okay to have varying views on drifting and its techniques. It is also okay to discuss this but only in a civilised manner. Please continue.

 

[Gonales]

- Do not degrade a person on his drifting, do not degrade his drifting because he is using techniques you consider below par. (This goes to all)
Consider GT5 drifting like track days: Show respect for what people drive, if theyre slow, fast, i dont care. As long as they use their brains, and are polite.

Anyway, i use a 10 front, and 0 rear brake bias, with 4 or 5 ABS on. It is great for weightshifting. (Jimmy's setup, with brake bias on the rear and no abs, nearly works/feels the same as a ebrake, but you lose more speed, hence i prefer using my brake setup + ebrake usage.)

When i use the ebrake is pretty straightforward:
1) I need more distance to travel into a corner,
2) i need to keep the car in a straight line close to a wall,
3) or im initiating with it.

- Ive noticed, on my wheel i don't have an ebrake, and i definately miss it, for correcting, entering, whatever. It is a tool, and no-one should laugh at people for using it.

 

[Bobalob]

It amuses me that you have so much criticism about the drift community yet ive never seen you in these forums or in any teams lobby. Also I do know what you have, well what you dont have anyway, which is a capable drift car that you can give me advice from.

clearly you don't know what I have so why make such a statement? because it's wrong.

also my criticism is not of the community at all but that the handbrake is an easier way of holding/initiating a slide than some quality braking, weightshift, scando flick, power over basically every other "tool" in the box.

Yes I initially made a sweeping negative comment on the handbrake but it's something you can drift totally without, and if you learn too I promise you'll have more fun

 

[daltonlm]

I never tried, but i wonder if is possible to do a reverse entry with no e-brake use or normal brake emulated to lock the rear wheels. Also, a powerslide link in a straight between 2 corners where most of times is not possible to achieve without e-brake use...

I dont know... there are so many important things to worry about isntead if someone is using a techinique or not. For me is more iportant to hold a correct line, respect the basic concepts of the tandem... and so on...

 

[Bobalob]

all the flaming and anti flaming is pointless, this is a forum, opinions clash, it's only the childish that lashout in hurt before thinking it through.

you've all reacted like I said handbrake is for **** *****.

 

[Bobalob]

I never tried, but i wonder if is possible to do a reverse entry with no e-brake use or normal brake emulated to lock the rear wheels. Also, a powerslide link in a straight between 2 corners where most of times is not possible to achieve without e-brake use...

I dont know... there are so many important things to worry about isntead if someone is using a techinique or not. For me is more iportant to hold a correct line, respect the basic concepts of the tandem... and so on...

ive never needed a handbrake for a reverse entry, it's the front that locks initially to bring it round then the countersteers already there for some right foot?

also powerslide link? you said it! but why use a handbrake? and "most times isn't possible" is you not quite doing it right surely?

 

[Gonales]

all the flaming and anti flaming is pointless, this is a forum, opinions clash, it's only the childish that lashout in hurt before thinking it through.

you've all reacted like I said handbrake is for **** *****.

Mate read my post, seriously. And one more thing: D1GP drifters use handbrake a ******** of times, but at some points they are indeed not allowed to have a full lock when ebraking. Why not? Style points mate. But one other question. Do you consider yourself D1GP quality?

 

[Warren4649]

You said, ebrake is for the weak, which is true if you use it in every corner but is totally wrong in general.
If you want to initiate really far from the corner you'd have to use the ebrake (after the initiation) to maintain the car on the same line and once at the right spot start to apply throttle to continue.

Even top drifters uses the ebrake. If used properly the ebrake is a tool to enhance your drift and it surely don't make it weaker.
A long side with the rear wheels locked on the straight of Ebisu east is badass, no matter what you can think.

 

[Bobalob]

I stand by the fact that if two identical drifts are considered but one uses handbrake the non-ebraker is the better drifter, I'd certainly respect them more as a driver because it's the ballsier thing to do.

 

[Gonales]

I stand by the fact that if two identical drifts are considered but one uses handbrake the non-ebraker is the better drifter, I'd certainly respect them more as a driver because it's the ballsier thing to do.

Mate, you don't realise the fact, that if a drifter can avoid e-brake usage he will, because it slows that person down? If i use the ebrake, it is necessary. And tbh 2 identical drifts, one with ebrake, one without, is impossible.

 

[daltonlm]

ive never needed a handbrake for a reverse entry, it's the front that locks initially to bring it round then the countersteers already there for some right foot?

also powerslide link? you said it! but why use a handbrake? and "most times isn't possible" is you not quite doing it right surely?

Yeap i know i said "most times isn´t possible". But we must consider that there are so many nuances in the tandems... sometimes your front partner for some reason will not let you link properly.

I also wouldn´t like to tandem with someone who only can initiate a drift using e-brakes, but like everyone said its a tool with many uses and purposes, specialy to fix some emergencial situations. Maybe thats why its called "emergency brakes" in some countries.

But tool for weaks? No...
If my house is burning on fire, will i try to efface the fire using spit, because real men dont touch in other people´s hose? No...

 

[Bobalob]

a long slide with the rear wheels locked is fail mate :/ if we go back to quoting the dooiriftu king himself from the drift bible lol (you guys seem to recognise this authority, prob cause it's avail online) he recommends pulsing the handbrake (or not quite locking the wheels) so it's harder to tell your using it.

 

[uMadson?]

I tried drifting without handbrake and it's possible... IN A LANCIA STRATOS. With a puny score of below 9000.

Goes to show the crucial role the handbrake plays in drifting.

 

[RufusGonePunk]

I love bobalob Single handedly taking on half of the drift forum! Haha.

Mate, you don't realise the fact, that if a drifter can avoid e-brake usage he will, because it slows that person down? If i use the ebrake, it is necessary.

Isn't this the point that bobalob has been making?

 

[Bobalob]

stop continually miss quoting me, I didn't say never use handbrake, it's an easier way, hence weaker, if you can avoid it I consider it a better drift.

Tandum? yes that's a situation with constant adjustmants and is often needed.

I'm not even claiming non handbrake is faster because in some cases it's not bit it is harder, that's my point.

 

[Bobalob]

gt5 drift scoring is hugely flawed and doesn't consider speed at all, enjoy it.

 

[daltonlm]

a long slide with the rear wheels locked is fail mate :/ if we go back to quoting the dooiriftu king himself from the drift bible lol (you guys seem to recognise this authority, prob cause it's avail online) he recommends pulsing the handbrake (or not quite locking the wheels) so it's harder to tell your using it.

Well, maybe im a noob then... because i see beauty in lock the rear wheel in a powerslide.

But if the "Dorifito King" said that, who am i to disagree?
Specialy because if he really said, probably wasn´t only based in the esthetic aspect. Even the tire wear "could" be influenced in this statement.

 

[Gonales]

I love bobalob Single handedly taking on half of the drift forum! Haha.



Isn't this the point that bobalob has been making?

No he pointed out it makes a person a less skilled drifter. I just pointed out it is slower.

And taking on a forum singlehandedly isnt cool mate, its just being stuborn as hell. (And if half the forum disagrees, probably wrong as well.)

 

[Bobalob]

But tool for weaks? No...
If my house is burning on fire, will i try to efface the fire using spit, because real men dont touch in other people´s hose? No...

no my friend but you would be the ultimate badass, my point entirely.

 

[Gonales]

Well, maybe im a noob then... because i see beauty in lock the rear wheel in a powerslide.

But if the "Dorifito King" said that, who am i to disagree?
Specialy because if he really said, probably wasn´t only based in the esthetic aspect. Even the tire wear "could" be influenced in this statement.

Keichii hasn't said it in the youtube links this dude provided.

 

[Gonales]

no my friend but you would be the ultimate badass, my point entirely.

Life and drifting is not about being badass. It's about having fun, and being equal, to those that share your passion. Why always degrade people needlessly?

 

[Warren4649]

I stand by the fact that if two identical drifts are considered but one uses handbrake the non-ebraker is the better drifter, I'd certainly respect them more as a driver because it's the ballsier thing to do.

I stand by the fact that you haven't read my post!
What you don't understand is that there's certain kind of drifts that you simply can't achieve without using the ebrake.
I'm not talking about corrections, I'm talking about initiating 1 century before the corner entry. If you don't use the ebrake after initiating really far from the corner entry you'll either have to brake (which will slow down the car too much) or keep throttling (which will make the car goes to the inside too early or spin).
The ebrake (combined with a slight foot brake pressure) allow the car to keep the car sliding on the same line as the one you initiated on.

 

[daltonlm]

no my friend but you would be the ultimate badass, my point entirely.

Don´t let Chuck Norris read that. Or else he will come to show us how to drift without using a car.

 

[RufusGonePunk]

No he pointed out it makes a person a less skilled drifter. I just pointed out it is slower.

And taking on a forum singlehandedly isnt cool mate, its just being stuborn as hell. (And if half the forum disagrees, probably wrong as well.)

It is quite cool. I'm not saying he's trolling, cause he obviously believes in what he's arguing, but if he were trolling, he's be doing a fantastic job at winding people up over the internet.

 

[Bobalob]

I stand by the fact that you haven't read my post!
What you don't understand is that there's certain kind of drifts that you simply can't achieve without using the ebrake.
I'm not talking about corrections, I'm talking about initiating 1 century before the corner entry. If you don't use the ebrake after initiating really far from the corner entry you'll either have to brake (which will slow down the car too much) or keep throttling (which will make the car goes to the inside too early or spin).
The ebrake (combined with a slight foot brake pressure) allow the car to keep the car sliding on the same line as the one you initiated on.

and you didn't read mine, link it down with some schweet braking at the end? instead of hanging on the wand for 300 meters? lol

 

[Warren4649]

a long slide with the rear wheels locked is fail mate :/ if we go back to quoting the dooiriftu king himself from the drift bible lol (you guys seem to recognise this authority, prob cause it's avail online) he recommends pulsing the handbrake (or not quite locking the wheels) so it's harder to tell your using it.

I don't care what KT says in the drift bible, the drift bible is only showing "casual" drifting.
If you think a long side (not slide) is fail then you don't know a **** about drift. There's even competitions of who will initiate the more far from the corner, if you don't use the ebrake in such conditions you'll fail.

The fact is that you refuse to admit that there's some type of drift you can't achieve without the ebrake (such as early initiations). Go watch the D1 line on Okayama or Sugo and tell me tha Daigo Saito is weak coz he use he ebrake AFTER initiating at +200km/h 100meters from the corner.

Ps : schweet braking? Don't you understand that foot brakes will slow down your 4 wheels instead of 2 with the ebrake. To me it's more of a weak technique to use the foot brake in such situation than the ebrake. Not to note that you will likely failing hard if you hold the foot brakes 300meters from the corner.

 

[daltonlm]

Most of times i press together brake + ebrake. I don´t even know if it really works as i was used to do in Project Torque, but its a conditioned reflex and i cant avoid it...

 

[Bobalob]

Why refer to situations where people are using the handbrake because it's a hell of a lot easier and safer? surely that's my point. Why do you think it's used a lot at high speed?