Why no one is talking about how ridiculously expensive the Jaguar XJ13 is?

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problem is not the priced unicorns or whatever it's abysmal payout in any race except for the once that are fast to do, there is a le mans race that takes approximately 20 minutes to complete and pays 5k, i mean like seriously, who is gonna do that over and over and considering how short campaign is everyone gonna go with least resistance and grind that which will turn into ani-fun
The Le Mans Race(and also the one in Monza) must be a bug...there are similar/identical races(World Touring Car 700/800) on other tracks that pay you 50 000credits and more...
 
By the way, can we do away with the whole "earning money has to be boring and repetitive" thing? If there was a 10 race championship of 90 minute races that gave the player 20 million credits for winning it would still be less efficient than doing the Fisherman's Ranch over and over (!), but it would certainly be less boring and torturous. Even if it would be 15 hours of racing in total.
But I don’t think that is what the “people” want Nick…

They want better payouts and more races that do that rather than farm the rally one…
 
I’m sure it’s not, but let’s just pretend that the Jaguar XJ13 was a car you wanted in GT7. It’s 12,000,000 cr. What do you do?

This will be interesting.

If you want to drive them, you have to buy them. No, not instantly, but when it’s gone, how do you know when it’ll become available again?

You guy’s fanboyism is on another level.
It’ll come back eventually. Why such stress?
 
By the way, can we do away with the whole "earning money has to be boring and repetitive" thing? If there was a 10 race championship of 90 minute races that gave the player 20 million credits for winning it would still be less efficient than doing the Fisherman's Ranch over and over (!), but it would certainly be less boring and torturous. Even if it would be 15 hours of racing in total.
I think we need to remember why we’re playing the game (to have fun), a challenge is one thing but I don’t wanna have to feel like we’re going to work
 
It’ll come back eventually. Why such stress?
Inner Iverson.. We talking about a game.. not real life.. a game😭😭

Like I’m saving up for the FXX K… the Porsche just dropped and killed me because I want it bad lol… I don’t think I’ll get them both because my Ferrari invitation end on the 19… Decision decision 😂😂 To me this make GT just a good and different games.. typically you wouldn’t be put in these situations in other games just makes you appreciate the cars more!
 
But I don’t think that is what the “people” want Nick…

They want better payouts and more races that do that rather than farm the rally one…
As far as I know the people want more races, longer races, endurance events, more serious events, more events that require race cars (especially Gr. 2 and Gr. 1), and higher pay outs. Well, here you go. It's all of the above.
 
The Le Mans Race(and also the one in Monza) must be a bug...there are similar/identical races(World Touring Car 700/800) on other tracks that pay you 50 000credits and more...
knowing pd its a feature 😉
 

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I literally said I play it to drive cars on tracks.

It’s everyone else that is unhappy that they can’t drive all the expensive stuff in the first week..
No, as much as you stomp up and down saying that this is why people are mad, people are mad because the game is more or less predicated on grinding in order to get anywhere because the in game economy is designed to inflate play time numbers to an untenable degree, and to also push micro-transactions into people's faces. Considering the fact that Polyphony by their own admission designed the game around car collecting, the fact that one cannot really get these higher end cars unless they grind Fisherman's Ranch until they get carpal tunnel syndrome instead of playing the game naturally and getting credits that way (which also loops back around to the utter lack of content at launch, another pretty clear tactic on Polyphony's part) in order to get the Platinum trophy which, it once again should be noted requires you to collect the 330 P4, XJ13 (the overall subject of this thread), or the Ford Mk. IV, or 100% completion...sure says a lot, doesn't?

You forgot the rules around here, no one is allowed to have fun on Gran Turismo 7, they much all agree that the game is terrible and that Polyphony Digital are wholly incompetent or they shall incur the perpetually argumentative wrath of the same 5 or 6 users calling them a "circle-jerk".
As opposed to you, dancing around the fact that these criticisms are just, and are pointing out Polyphony's scummy tactics with regards to the in game economy, which are due to the full throated integration of micro-transactions into the game's economy?

There's a whole swack of positive threads if you want an outlet about how good the game is. There's also threads like this which are critical of the way Polyphony have created this game in order to ultimately fatten their pockets in about the most predatory way possible. Feel free to turn around and head into one of those positive threads if you can't take the heat of criticism.

We talking about a game.. not real life.. a game
By your own admission we can't criticize games. Besides, there's a war in Ukraine and starving children in Africa, why should we care about a video game developer making profits off the backs of 'weaker' people's FOMO and potential addiction problems? It's simply small fry stuff!
Cool, either believe in the DLC or wait 4/5 years till the next game?
lmao this is such a goddamn joke, pretty clear by this point you simply don't care about any other viewpoints but your own.

New content simply kicks this issue down the road considering the game, very clearly, is basing it's entire gameplay loop, outside the menus, on grinding. Sure, it means more people have more stuff to chew through, but it ultimately doesn't matter because no matter how long they take, they'll all eventually reach the same fork in the road that in order to get credits and to get the cars the game expects you to collect all of, otherwise there wouldn't be a car collection screen, you either need to grind out the most optimum race, endlessly, or take the 'easy route' and buy micro-transactions, which ultimately aren't an easy way out because if you want to go anywhere aside from the 2 million that you have to pay close to 30 dollars Canadian for, you need to buy more and more.

How can you not see how utterly depraved this all is? How can any of you that seem intent on defending Polyphony for this tactic not see what Polyphony are trying to do? And why, most of all, can I tell that if this was any other game, this forum would be apoplectic in their condemnation for that game, yet Polyphony does it and there are literal excuses made up to try and defend them, and posit themselves as just for making the in game economy that way?

This is hypocrisy of the highest order by this point, and it's utterly pathetic how people seem intent on dying on the sword of a company that doesn't care about them at all, on a feature and set of tactics that would be vilified if done by literally anyone else. And I've been on this forum long enough to know that is 100% the case.
 
Can you come with arguments and contend instead of calling everybody who has another opinion than yours a "fanboy"...?
That's insulting and that's also a very poor way of discussing something...

I played other GTs before and cars that disapeared from the UCD always came back after some time, so I am pretty sure that this will also happen in GTS as well(for example I waited for a long, long time in GT4 to be able to buy the Lancia Delta Integrale because you couldn't buy it always...)
In GTS there were also those 20 000 000credit cars and the XJ13 was one of them...it took me a little less than a year until I was able to buy it and it was the only 20mio car I ever was able to obtain im GTS...when I was playing Witcher3 I wasn't complaining that I didn't get the best weapons and sets of armor right from the start, so I also don'T complain here, that I don't get the most rare cars right from the start...
Arguments? Have you not seen my posts?

Yes, if you defend the way GT7’s economy is built around micro transactions, you’re a fanboy, because you refuse to see what’s obvious.

PD and Sony want’s you to pay for micro transactions. That’s why making money in-game is so time consuming and boring, and why you can’t sell cars, and why there’s a 20,000,000 free credit cap, but no cap at all for payed credits. That’s my argument.

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this, and that it’s bad, makes you a fanboy.
 
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5 laps le man's 4 minutes per lap equals to 5000 per race, cool story bro
Disagree all you want, this is blatand ignorance
 
Hey, look I never stomped up and down. Quite the contrary. I offered an alternative opinion.

I’ll leave you to bitch about doing driving in a driving game.

Nothing left to add other than stay away from the pay to win options.
 
1. Not being able to disable the mtx button that’s always next to your credit balance at the top of the screen is a bad thing. GTS allowed you to disable and forget about mtx, so it’s suspicious and annoying how it is so prominent in GT7.

2. Not being able to sell cars to ‘make’ some money, even for a nominal amount, is suspicious and annoying too. (Not connected to mtx, but I’d argue that not being able to pick and choose cars for your own garage (supposedly) makes you nothing more than a caretaker/curator for Kaz rather than the garage’s owner, and it’s this that’s specifically currently annoying me most about 7.)

3. Having Legend cars rotate out so quickly (and to a lesser extent UCD cars too) seems to me deliberately designed to pressure weak people to get credits (mtx?) ASAP. I can’t think of any other reason they’d design it like this. I know I’d never succumb, but I suspect a great many will, and I’m not so heartless I can take a ‘so what, that’s life’ attitude. I’d feel dirty if I’d designed something like this. Yes, I know the old games had rotating UCDs, but without the mtx and with more stock and faster turnovers (and no Legends ofc).

4. Prior to 7’s launch I ‘debated’ Samus, saying mtx wasn’t such a bad thing. I was basing what I said on GTS, where people could pay a small amount to get specific cars, which I never did, but I never thought of as being particularly bad, especially as you could disable it. But 7 crosses a line for me. I will still happily and slowly get the ten or fifteen premium cars I really want to drive and I hope it won’t take me more than a year or 18 months, perhaps, playing 2 or 3 hours, three, four or five days a week. But I am slightly worried as to whether it’ll work out. Time will tell. I’ll be disappointed if not, and GT8 can do one if so. I refuse to grind, if there’s a race I love I’ll do it many, many times (F1500 at Brands in GTS), but I will not do races I don’t like or I’m bored with for ‘money’ - that’s work.

5. PD v quickly need to add many more races/ways of earning. And equalise payouts for time spent/ difficulty. Ie, if a 2chilli race taking 5 mins at track A pays out 5000, a 2 chilli race taking 15 mins at track B should pay out 15000. It’s really not rocket science.
 
Hey, look I never stomped up and down. Quite the contrary. I offered an alternative opinion.

I’ll leave you to bitch about doing driving in a driving game.

Nothing left to add other than stay away from the pay to win options.
How about you answer the question I asked you:
I’m sure it’s not, but let’s just pretend that the Jaguar XJ13 was a car you wanted in GT7. It’s 12,000,000 cr. What do you do?
 
It makes no sense as to why custom races pay peanuts in comparison to exact same race that was pre-configured
Oh I know why, just so people will not just make 10 laps of fisherman's ranch and get their 970k in one go, instead of keep restarting it
 
How about you answer the question I asked you:
You insist him to respond to your question but you didn’t respond to mine directed at you?

Do note that I do agree with you about certain things — the credit cap of 20 million for earned credits for example. I do think that’s quite bad and would like to see it changed.
 
You insist him to respond to your question but you didn’t respond to mine directed at you?
Ok then.
It’ll come back eventually. Why such stress?
I’m not stressed, yet. I don’t care much for the Jag, but when a car becomes available that I do care about, I’ll be stressed.

Well, on a second thought I actually am a little stressed about the 911 GT1. That’s a car I do care about and really want. I do have north of 4,000,000 credits at the moment, but it’s taken me several days to get there, as I don’t have time to grind as much as others. If I buy the 911 GT1 now and then the 917K becomes available two or three days from now, I’ll regret getting the GT1, because I desire the 917K more, and that will probably cost about as much as the XJ13, which is more than what I’m able to scrape together in 4 days. You say it’ll come back. Sure, but when? What if I’m away on vacation by then or something?

Do you see the problem? The solution according to PD and Sony is micro transactions, but some people refuse to acknowledge this.
But I don’t think that is what the “people” want Nick…

They want better payouts and more races that do that rather than farm the rally one…
Wrong. What @NICKname described is exactly what we want. Many of us anyway.

A championship like that would have a purpose and be fun. Grinding Fishermans Ranch does not have a purpose other than farming credits for a car you want, and boy is it boring.
 
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Content like events etc will be added from now on and every month for the next years
Oh you're a PD insider now, nice. Can you tell us what exactly will be in these monthly updates, the names of the events? Since you clearly know the plans for the next few years.
The economy isn’t broken it’s just not easy.
When the effort and time required to get something out of the economy is not equal to what you put in, then yes, it's broken.

If you complete all content available in a game once, you should have access to all, or nearly all, of the content. That isn't anywhere close to being true in GT7.

I literally said I play it to drive cars on tracks.
Yes, and you've still not once said how you plan to fund this activity. Because everyone else is having trouble, forced to grind the same event over and over unless they want it to take 12 years to be able to drive them all.
 
Ok then.

I’m not stressed, yet. I don’t care much for the Jag, but when a car becomes available that I do care about, I’ll be stressed.

Well, on a second thought I actually am a little stressed about the 911 GT1. That’s a car I do care about and really want. I do have north of 4,000,000 credits at the moment, but it’s taken me several days to get there, as I don’t have time to grind as much as others. If I buy the 911 GT1 now and then the 917K becomes available two or three days from now, I’ll regret getting the GT1, because I desire the 917K more, and that will probably cost about as much as the XJ13, which is more than what I’m able to scrape together in 4 days. You say it’ll come back. Sure, but when? What if I’m away on vacation by then or something?

Do you see the problem? The solution according to PD and Sony is micro transactions, but some people refuse to acknowledge this.

Wrong. What @NICKname described is exactly what we want. Many of us anyway.

A championship like that would have a purpose and be fun. Grinding Fishermans Ranch does not have a purpose other than farming credits for a car you want, and boy is it boring.
I’m not denying there are design choices made with microtransactions in mind, that much unfortunately seems clear. I don’t like that either but apparently I’m not getting as riled up as some others. Fine, I suppose.

If you buy car X now and then car Y appears in a few days and you already spilled most of your credits on the former, to me that’s kind of the name of the game and not an issue. If you happen to be on vacation next time around, then honestly just wait for it to make the rounds once more. Kinda the thing with used car dealership (and Legends).

Personally I never really wanted either. In my optimal world — put all cars at zero mileage at a “catch-all” dealership where they can purchased at any time.
 
If you buy car X now and then car Y appears in a few days and you already spilled most of your credits on the former, to me that’s kind of the name of the game and not an issue. If you happen to be on vacation next time around, then honestly just wait for it to make the rounds once more. Kinda the thing with used car dealership (and Legends).
Except most people do not play the same game for months on end, or fire it up every day for a year to see if a car is available. The old games had rotating dealerships but the major difference is they were based on your in-game time, not real time. So if you put in the hours playing it over a few days, you could force most cars around pretty quickly. Here we're talking about you could miss a car and not see it again for several months. Then what if you don't play it that next week it comes around? Wait another two months, but put it in your diary this time?

Most people are just going to lose interest and patience waiting and move on to other games that are far more respectful of their time and effort.
 
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It’ll come back eventually. Why such stress?
Do we actually know that for sure, though? The game's only been out a week, so it's abit too early to tell in either direction.

Remember as well that GT5's UCD was set up in a way where certain cars would likely never be seen again if you missed out on buying them the first time they showed up. The Hagerty Shop in GT7 looks like it has a similar setup, except that there's only 5 cars at any given moment, the cars available are significantly more expensive, and they're not around for as long. For me, alongside the current economy, that's a bit concerning.
 
would love to grind that rally stage , but i suck at those dirt races .
the ai feels 10x harder then the normal road races its driving me nuts .
and i`m playing on easy to .
 
Arguments? Have you not seen my posts?

Yes, if you defend the way GT7’s economy is built around micro transactions, you’re a fanboy, because you refuse to see what’s obvious.

PD and Sony want’s you to pay for micro transactions. That’s why making money in-game is so time consuming and boring, and why you can’t sell cars, and why there’s a 20,000,000 free credit cap, but no cap at all for payed credits. That’s my argument.

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this, and that it’s bad, makes you a fanboy.
I don't give a damn what Sony or PD want me to do...I will not put a single penny into microtransactions and I don't have to, to enjoy this game...and i also don't really care about those unicorn cars for 20mio credits, there is plenty of cheaper cars around that I am more interested in...

And yes,it sucks that you can't sell cars you don't like and the credits they payout for custom races are way to low, and I hope this will get changed-you should get twice or three times as much as you get now...but that dosen't leave me frustrated or question the game as whole...

And once again, just because I don't agree wholeheartetly with you viewpoint it doesn't make me a fanboy-because it's not up for you to decide that...you are just somebody who doesn't like the game...ant that's totally ok, but stop downgrading other people who don't share your opinion...
 
Except most people do not play the same game for months on end, or fire it up every day for a year to see if a car is available. The old games had rotating dealerships but the major difference is they were based on your in-game time, not real time. So if you put in the hours playing it over a few days, you could force most cars around pretty quickly. Here we're talking about you could miss a car and not see it again for several months. Then what if you don't play it that next week it comes around? Wait another two months, but put it in your diary this time?

Most people are just going to lose interest and patience waiting and move on to other games that are far more respectful of their time and effort.
Cool.

This is the 25 year anniversary. So I guess everyone just gave up.

I’m even dusting off my PS1 with rose tinted glasses.

As for a the wrong sweeping statement ignoring ultimate team who do you think plays fifa year to year???
 
Cool.

This is the 25 year anniversary. So I guess everyone just gave up.
I'm struggling to understand what you mean here? What has the 25th anniversary got to do with anything?
I’m even dusting off my PS1 with rose tinted glasses.

As for a the wrong sweeping statement ignoring ultimate team who do you think plays fifa year to year???
What does FIFA have to do with anything?
 
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