Why people hate 4WD drifter?

[Lock2Lock]

Again, I'm not the one who said:

Thus, the refutation of said quote is as unambiguous as I can make it.

Nope. They're only illegal in major "professional" drifting events. I've already cited a drifting competition in which AWD is perfectly legal.

And they're only "illegal" in online rooms where they contravene those rooms' stated rules.

Again, you are within your rights to vent about people who contravene room rules, but be aware that "illegal" in this case is not under law, but merely within the sporting regulations of a motorsports series that only refers to itself and not other series.

Again, got no quarrel with you stating that AWD should not be in D1GP rooms or the like. Just pointing that out.

You still don't get what i am saying... I have been very patient with you and you either are not understanding or don't you care to listen... But continue thinking i am still bashing 4WDs for drifting when i am not and i have made this very clear to you in every way i know how.... And you still are showing me from what words i have said you quote and i have posted further explanation for you... And the reason i think this is because i have explained to you in many ways and you are bashing on me now for saying that they are illegal... You are saying that in a sport rules and regulations are not laws in the sport? And like i said i have been really patient while re-explaining things to you... Ok you said you have spotted rooms holding competitions that 4WDs are allowed... Great like i said i have no problem with it please stop saying that i am speaking of false logic... Because what i have said before was the rooms people go into with their 4WD cars might want watch out for the D1 or FD style rooms (not saying they're all that way) don't bring them there ... What you are calling me out on has nothing to do with what i said because once again i am just saying to the 4WD drifters you need to stay away from the D1 and FD style rooms to avoid confrontation.. And think you hated when you are not...

 

[TheFlyingByrd]

Sigh...give people a foot....
A: Gymkhana=Gymkhana is a type of motorsport practiced in an increasing number of countries. Similar to autocross, gymkhana courses are often very complex and memorizing the course is a significant part of achieving a fast time.

Gymkhana events are time and/or speed events in an automobile. These can feature obstacles such as cones, tires, and barrels. The driver must maneuver through a predetermined "track" performing many different driving techniques. What separates gymkhana from traditional autocross events is that the gymkhana requires drivers to perform reversals, 180 degree spins, 360 degree spins, parking boxes, figure 8s and other advanced skills. Drifting is also encouraged where helpful or necessary. Essentially, a gymkhana is any event featuring a starting point, a finish line and some sort of "obstacle" to get through, around, or by, all within a certain time limit.

Notice how none of the above states "fancy drifting"

B. Ken Block has been seen in a RWD car(Escort I believe) attempting his motorsport, and he sucks, further proving how much of a crutch awd has become for him

C. Now that gymkhana has been explained, I'd like someone to report to GT Planet about an actual drift series somewhere where awd vehicles are allowed (Don't gimme no crap about exhibitions or Gatebil). When your fruitless search is over, maybe you'll understand why awd isn't allowed...4 wheels driven=unfair advantage, case closed. Can you drift faster? Yes, but only because you're driving more wheels at the same time than rwd or fwd(which by the way is accepted as a drifting drivtrain in D1SL Japan- so why do you think the world accepts a fwd drifter before an awd one?)
I'll just let you marinate on that for a minute

Actually if you have read it yourself it still mentions drifting as being encouraged and helpful. This isn't word for word fancy drift but take "pro" drifters they drift s figures and ken drifts figure 8's basically the same thing. Just more advanced or shall I say "fancy" haha

 

[xGuNzABLaZiNx]

Well put good sir. I was actually tandemin with a 4wd skyline this morning...but good 4wd drifters are few and far between.

Its not that people hate 4wd's or the people who drift them. What we hate is getting bashed mid corner by someone in an STi on sports softs. Then they say "I hit you because you were going too slow." (happened to me this morning)

I always look in my rear view just before i initiate to check for a closing 4wd, and if i see one, i let them pass because i know im going to get wrecked if i dont. Thats what bugs us. Not your drivetrain orientation... its the lack of give a 🤬 about other drifters. I will do whatever it takes to not hit someone... and if i do hit someone.. i say my bad or sorry...but it seems like 4wd drifters dont care and will just ram you to get you out of their way... and thats not cool. It gets real old... really fast. Just my observation.

I thought this answered your question, but I guess you didn't get the memo? Words weren't big enough for you?

 

[maveric25]

Ok... I'm saying it... haven't seen many people say this, I don't know why. Probably one of the main reasons, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people that drift RWD will agree on this, is that most of the time the people that bring AWD cars out to drift don't know what they are doing. Most people that bring out AWD cars either don't have them tuned correctly or can't control the car. Then, we, the RWD drfters, are having a good session and that person that brings the AWD out starts taking other people out, not saying it's on purpose, so they get kicked for it and they get mad & ask why. Another reason is that there are a lot of RWD restricted lobbies and a lot of them say it in the title, so an AWD drifter joins, brings out a AWD car & gets kicked, it's not our fault you didn't follow the regulations, or, they also come in a lobby asking the host to unblock AWD, hey... if he blocked it it's because he doesn't want it in his lobby (COMMON SENSE) so why do you guys even bother asking!!??

 

[HaYaBuSa1340rR]

I thought this answered your question, but I guess you didn't get the memo? Words weren't big enough for you?

...mmmkay? What are you even trying to say...? I was trying to prove a point and yes... the size of the letters was appropriate for the message i was trying to convey because it hasent seemed to sink in yet. Quit trying to be a smart arse.... Look down below... dude said exactly the same thing i did just in a different order.

Ok... I'm saying it... haven't seen many people say this, I don't know why. Probably one of the main reasons, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people that drift RWD will agree on this, is that most of the time the people that bring AWD cars out to drift don't know what they are doing. Most people that bring out AWD cars either don't have them tuned correctly or can't control the car. Then, we, the RWD drfters, are having a good session and that person that brings the AWD out starts taking other people out, not saying it's on purpose, so they get kicked for it and they get mad & ask why. Another reason is that there are a lot of RWD restricted lobbies and a lot of them say it in the title, so an AWD drifter joins, brings out a AWD car & gets kicked, it's not our fault you didn't follow the regulations, or, they also come in a lobby asking the host to unblock AWD, hey... if he blocked it it's because he doesn't want it in his lobby (COMMON SENSE) so why do you guys even bother asking!!??

Exactly.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Yep i have worded it too in many ways too and niky seems to keep misunderstanding me... Mabey you explain it better in different words because i am tired and i'm getting off of here

 

[Jaywalker]

For the record.... if you try and drift a motorcycle... your probably going to have a bad time.

Wrong. Watch speedway bike racing sometime.

 

[xGuNzABLaZiNx]

...mmmkay? What are you even trying to say...? I was trying to prove a point and yes... the size of the letters was appropriate for the message i was trying to convey because it hasent seemed to sink in yet. Quit trying to be a smart arse.... Look down below... dude said exactly the same thing i did just in a different order.



Exactly.

Good job, I wasn't even talking to you. Read what I type before you type back.

 

[HaYaBuSa1340rR]

Good job, I wasn't even talking to you. Read what I type before you type back.

I did.... from the way it looks up their it seems like your comment was directed at me. I mean... look at your reply... you just quoted me and then said something bout my font n what not. My bad... if you were talking to someone else... i read it wrong.. Sorry bro.

 

[Stavingo]

Yep i have worded it too in many ways too and niky seems to keep misunderstanding me... Mabey you explain it better in different words because i am tired and i'm getting off of here

I think you're tired, I understand where both parties are coming from.

 

[Lazy Liquid]

You still discussing?!
Cmon, give a chance to the AWD sliders... everyone needs to learn from somewhere...

 

[Megamarcx84]

Actually if you have read it yourself it still mentions drifting as being encouraged and helpful. This isn't word for word fancy drift but take "pro" drifters they drift s figures and ken drifts figure 8's basically the same thing. Just more advanced or shall I say "fancy" haha

Yes I read it myself...by your reasoning because portions of gymkhana events encourage advanced drifting techniques as a means by which a quicker time can be reached, then gymkhana equals drifting.

I really hope others have been watching this dialogue...because I think it answers the OP question precisely..

I propose there be a clarification of the vernacular that refers to this "hated" drifter demographic; on one hand there should be those whom use Ken Block as their trusty sidearm whenever someone presents them w/ a logical explanation of why their awd vehicle is not allowed in a competition or lobby, who thinks their 500hp sti on sports tires dictates anyone they happen to ram is simply going too slow: they should be referred to as "4wd drifter"

On the other hand, those whom understand simple vehicle dynamics and realize that their awd vehicle provides them an unfair competitive advantage whilst drifting, and so only uses it when deemed appropriate by their peers, and doesn't whine when advised that its use is prohibited, should be known as "those who drift awd"

Why do people hate "4wd drifter"? Talk to one long enough and you'll find out, and I don't think there's enough Monster Energy Drink, DC Shoes, or Ford Fiestas on Earth to convince me otherwise....

Gimme one of "those who drift awd" anyday, enough of them get together and I might finally get use out of my Evo IV in a competition or something

 

[TheFlyingByrd]

Yes I read it myself...by your reasoning because portions of gymkhana events encourage advanced drifting techniques as a means by which a quicker time can be reached, then gymkhana equals drifting.

I really hope others have been watching this dialogue...because I think it answers the OP question precisely..

I propose there be a clarification of the vernacular that refers to this "hated" drifter demographic; on one hand there should be those whom use Ken Block as their trusty sidearm whenever someone presents them w/ a logical explanation of why their awd vehicle is not allowed in a competition or lobby, who thinks their 500hp sti on sports tires dictates anyone they happen to ram is simply going too slow: they should be referred to as "4wd drifter"

On the other hand, those whom understand simple vehicle dynamics and realize that their awd vehicle provides them an unfair competitive advantage whilst drifting, and so only uses it when deemed appropriate by their peers, and doesn't whine when advised that its use is prohibited, should be known as "those who drift awd"

Why do people hate "4wd drifter"? Talk to one long enough and you'll find out, and I don't think there's enough Monster Energy Drink, DC Shoes, or Ford Fiestas on Earth to convince me otherwise....

Gimme one of "those who drift awd" anyday, enough of them get together and I might finally get use out of my Evo IV in a competition or something

I actually like this post because I am one of "those who drift awd" also I don't use sports tired I use comfort hards but I guess that's beside the point. Also I have come to an understanding now of why y'all dislike us but also I wanted people to realize that there is actual awd drifting in the real world I get tired of hearing it's "impossible" nothing's impossible.
Also a side note I was just wondering what If drifting originated and was always awd and suddenly people started drifting RWD and actually were the ones hated for that particular reason of being to slow. Just a thought

 

[Megamarcx84]

I actually like this post because I am one of "those who drift awd" also I don't use sports tired I use comfort hards but I guess that's beside the point. Also I have come to an understanding now of why y'all dislike us but also I wanted people to realize that there is actual awd drifting in the real world I get tired of hearing it's "impossible" nothing's impossible.
Also a side note I was just wondering what If drifting originated and was always awd and suddenly people started drifting RWD and actually were the ones hated for that particular reason of being to slow. Just a thought

Possibility of awd drift is not the issue here, numerous threads, and ultimately moderator intervention has settled that argument....OP question, "Why people hate 4wd drifter?"
If every "4wd drifter" used comfort hards and made the effort to match the speed of those they drift w/ as opposed to passing or ramming them, this thread would not exist...the sad truth is many "4wd drifters" do not think the above criteria is worth paying attention to, (yet again answering the OP question) the average "4wd drifter" thinks rwd is too slow, not thinking for a moment that possibly the addition of two more driven wheels is propelling them too fast...
what if the stereotypical "4wd drifter" realized they're being percieved as asshats and adjusted their actions accordingly, what if they put aside their pride for a second and realized bringing bazookas to gunfights doesn't make them better drifters? even amongst the major drifting competitions shown on GTP restraint is shown in rwd cars allowed, as some of them are deemed too fast and thus have an unfair advantage...

In your quest to somehow change the topic of the thread to, "Why shouldn't people hate 4wd drifter" you're inadvertently providing answers pertaining to the original OP:tup:

 

[nk4e]

Sadly, we ( and some older veteran members) never had any problems with AWD or 4WD vehicles in the past. We had past competitions that have dealt with AWD drive trains.

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I hope you understand the technical term AWD and 4WD, right?They are mechanically different. But to keep your posts entirely short, your saying that they aren't hated..they just need to understand the rules of the room. Anything styled after a sport isn't technically there( If it was, there would be a option in the game that would set it and a logo...). You are governed that a set of rules are there and participants should follow them. With bringing up D1GP styles or FD styles changes the fact for the poster who uses the term. Niky, is still trying to correct the messages you have sent. Some members don't care and will troll this thread for their amusement..

Thank you.... I would love to see that implemented in GTP... Because that is actually the true matter of the subject and is FACT

It probably can be in GT5..on GTP, its welcomed.

Possibility of awd drift is not the issue here, numerous threads, and ultimately moderator intervention has settled that argument....OP question, "Why people hate 4wd drifter?"
If every "4wd drifter" used comfort hards and made the effort to match the speed of those they drift w/ as opposed to passing or ramming them, this thread would not exist...the sad truth is many "4wd drifters" do not think the above criteria is worth paying attention to, (yet again answering the OP question) the average "4wd drifter" thinks rwd is too slow, not thinking for a moment that possibly the addition of two more driven wheels is propelling them too fast...
what if the stereotypical "4wd drifter" realized they're being percieved as asshats and adjusted their actions accordingly, what if they put aside their pride for a second and realized bringing bazookas to gunfights doesn't make them better drifters? even amongst the major drifting competitions shown on GTP restraint is shown in rwd cars allowed, as some of them are deemed too fast and thus have an unfair advantage...

In your quest to somehow change the topic of the thread to, "Why shouldn't people hate 4wd drifter" you're inadvertently providing answers pertaining to the original OP:tup:

Not the best of examples for AWD but its by Fellow GTP Drifters. Just because D1 isn't doing it, does not give us the fact we can't have fun with the AWD or at least be respectable. We can have our own GP within the limits of GT5 while borrowing some ( not all) methods from professional establishments.

 

[maveric25]

I actually like this post because I am one of "those who drift awd" also I don't use sports tired I use comfort hards but I guess that's beside the point. Also I have come to an understanding now of why y'all dislike us but also I wanted people to realize that there is actual awd drifting in the real world I get tired of hearing it's "impossible" nothing's impossible.
Also a side note I was just wondering what If drifting originated and was always awd and suddenly people started drifting RWD and actually were the ones hated for that particular reason of being to slow. Just a thought

Yes there is AWD drifting in real life, but when it comes to professional sports it's not considered drifting, there's professional drifting (RWD) and Gymkhana (AWD). They're trying to make Gymkhana an official sports just because AWD are not allowed in professional drifting.

 

[Kievit]

Yes there is AWD drifting in real life, but when it comes to professional sports it's not considered drifting, there's professional drifting (RWD) and Gymkhana (AWD). They're trying to make Gymkhana an official sports just because AWD are not allowed in professional drifting.

That's nonsense. Not only is gymkhana for all drivetrains (albeit in different classes), it possibly predates drifting as a sport aswell.

Fun fact: Chevrolet offered gymkhana suspension as option on their '74+ Corvettes for $7,00.

 

[xGuNzABLaZiNx]

I did.... from the way it looks up their it seems like your comment was directed at me. I mean... look at your reply... you just quoted me and then said something bout my font n what not. My bad... if you were talking to someone else... i read it wrong.. Sorry bro.

I was saying that what you said, answered his question :lol

 

[Megamarcx84]

Not the best of examples for AWD but its by Fellow GTP Drifters. Just because D1 isn't doing it, does not give us the fact we can't have fun with the AWD or at least be respectable. We can have our own GP within the limits of GT5 while borrowing some ( not all) methods from professional establishments.

I think the "respectability" aspect is what causes the hate of "4wd drifters"
(and i thank you for making sure you quoted that in bold because i think there is an inherent difference between "4wd drifters" and "those who drift w/ awd", much like the difference between the derogatory term "n!@@a", and "black/ african american/ etc...")

GT3, and for the vast majority of players GT4(unless you had xlink), was a different world, not only in the physics aspect, but also due to lack of online gameplay. Courtesy wasn't exactly necessary because tandeming was only done w/ the person sitting next to you. I think acceptance of awd pilots was higher simply because of that. Now in GT5, thanks to online gameplay courtesy becomes paramount because your actions can affect up to another 15 players. "Those who drift w/ awd", tend to take that to heart. The problem here is the "4wd drifter". I'm willing to bet 75% or more of rwd community on GT5 and GTP has at least 1 awd machine that is tuned for drifting, and more than capable (and willing) to abide by a simple sense of decency when drifting w/ others; I'm guessing this thread does not apply to them(or me). This thread is about the "4wd drifter" who believes it is his skills, not his machine that causes him to drift faster, who feels that it is not necessary to slow down while following because the rwd car in front of him is too "slow"

I'm all for awd drifting, prior to getting online w/ GT5 my primary vehicle was a drift tuned Evo IV. Even after I got online i could tandem W/ it on Tsukuba all while making sure to be courteous to others. But i was interested in becoming part of the community, not an outcast. I was interested in perhaps joining a team, participating in competitions, etc..; and the fact is to do so i had to conform to primarily rwd, CH use. The hate towards the "4wd drifter" is that their attitude is that the community is wrong, and we should conform to their standard, as opposed to them simply starting their own community..I'd be amongst the 1st to sign up for an awd allowed comp that shows some adult level of organization, but it seems the "4wd drifters" are more interested in proving how many virtual dents they can put in the rear bumpers and doors of poor rwd drifters then pursuing such an ambition.


These are the reasons "4wd drifters" are hated, none of the aformentioned traits or habits are pertaining to "those who drift w/ awd". I hopefully am assuming correctly that the answers given are specifically referring to the OP question, hence why there's been little mod interference. I think questions like this are great for starting dialogue, and eventually and understanding will be reached to make threads like these a relic of the past

 

[nk4e]

It didn't matter if it was in a different world. We accepted AWD drifting, our common problem was " Mixed tires",grip racing dominance against Drifting ( Drift racing!) and probably more.. Overall,drifting is Drifting.
Xlink Drift GranPrix

 

[Megamarcx84]

It didn't matter if it was in a different world. We accepted AWD drifting, our common problem was " Mixed tires",grip racing dominance against Drifting ( Drift racing!) and probably more..
Xlink Drift GranPrix

But i think said acceptance was due to a lack of having to scan a rearview mirror for awd people slamming into their rear in most cases. The xlink crowd was a very exclusive community, consisting mostly of those who had a deeper dedication to GT4, and by proxy a better sense of respect for their co players; different worlds, different priorites

 

[niky]

Yes there is AWD drifting in real life, but when it comes to professional sports it's not considered drifting, there's professional drifting (RWD) and Gymkhana (AWD). They're trying to make Gymkhana an official sports just because AWD are not allowed in professional drifting.

As said, Gymkhana is not an AWD sport. In fact, competition Gymkhanas are often dominated by... wait for it... lightweight, compact, short-wheelbase rear-wheel drive cars.

And, like I pointed out... some "drift" competitions (with street cars) allow AWD vehicles. It's the majors who don't like it, but it's banned partly as an advantage, and partly to keep costs and complexity down.

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Again, I'm not here to argue that it's not irritating that tandeming with AWD drifters is problematic and that rooms should be all inclusive. My concern is merely to point out the misconceptions regarding AWD drifting.

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I have nothing further to add to this discussion that n4ke hasn't said. Like I said, AWD drifting was more than welcomed on GTP in GT4, but since I'm not an active drifter, it's better if one of the drift guys were to mention this.

I think the lack of acceptance nowadays is not because of online play, simply because you could link up and drift together in GT4. It's the lack of private rooms. Having to share rooms with guys who don't understand the room rules is just as bad as trying to race in a "Street cars only room" with 13 year olds crashing X1s and F1s into racers and scenery alike.

 

[maveric25]

Having to share rooms with guys who don't understand the room rules is just as bad as trying to race in a "Street cars only room" with 13 year olds crashing X1s and F1s into racers and scenery alike.

That exactly the point I tried to make earlier. AWD & 4WD drifters get mad because they get kicked off the lobbies, but hey all of you AWD & 4WD drifters out there IT'S YOUR FAULT for joining a lobby called RWD Drift & bringing an AWD out & start smacking into people because most of the people that do it don't know what the hell they're doing, don't know how to tune AWD cars to slide, so they go into a corner behind a RWD, the RWD grabs angle & the AWD smacks him off track, y'all bring it upon yourself for not following regulations... and y'all get mad at us... unbelievable.

 

[Lazy Liquid]

So... there are competitions that allows AWD? Is there tandem between them or its only solo runs?

And... it was possible to tandem with an AWD in GT4? Interesting...

 

[nk4e]

So... there are competitions that allows AWD? Is there tandem between them or its only solo runs?

And... it was possible to tandem with an AWD in GT4? Interesting...

Back then, everything was recorded but we would have a few members that would record tandems.

 

[Lock2Lock]

I actually like this post because I am one of "those who drift awd" also I don't use sports tired I use comfort hards but I guess that's beside the point. Also I have come to an understanding now of why y'all dislike us but also I wanted people to realize that there is actual awd drifting in the real world I get tired of hearing it's "impossible" nothing's impossible.
Also a side note I was just wondering what If drifting originated and was always awd and suddenly people started drifting RWD and actually were the ones hated for that particular reason of being to slow. Just a thought

Yes like i have said before... You guys are not hated but you must also understand when one of those RWD drifters say "because they come into a RWD drift room and start hitting us and then they say we were going to slow" it creates a bad reputation but no you are not hated really as a whole.... But one thing i have said to one of the AWD drifters that have said "that is why they hit me" one time was "ok lets drop the multi drive-train tandem part first off and just think about this for a second... you actually think you would have won a battle because i was slower?... no you would have lost anyway because you hit me and that caused me to mess up my line" i am pretty sure the tandem rules in AWD drifting are the same or very similar... But i understand you may use AWD to learn or just like to drift that drive-train... I hope you guys succeed and i wish you the best of luck... But no you are not hated in my opinion... But just keep drifting fun guys... Like it should be and stay...

 

[zedfonsie]

It didn't matter if it was in a different world. We accepted AWD drifting, our common problem was " Mixed tires",grip racing dominance against Drifting ( Drift racing!) and probably more.. Overall,drifting is Drifting.
Xlink Drift GranPrix

Reason we don't like having awd/rwd mix in our competitions, is cause the racing is never close and the Awd people can get massive angle and never spin out. Training wheels are a good example.

Gt5's physics are also to blame.

 

[gordongt]

Point drifting and AWD Drifting... Oh lord...

Hey, I have fun

 

[Drift_Monkey]

True but isn't "gymkhana" essentially fancy drifting. And I just said he was a pro drifter with a AWD car I never said he was in D1GP or Formula Drift but if you watch his videos there are also curves just like any D1GP pro would take in there cars that he takes just as good as them in his car. So my whole point is you can drift in the real world with an AWD. Just cause people haven't seen it with there own eyes doesn't mean it's not ever happened

Ken Block is NOT a 'Pro' drifter. He is a rally driver, and not a very good one at that. If you think Ken Block is so amazing then it proves that fancy camera angles, slow motion shots, and attempting tricks over and over until you get it on film is quite an effective marketing tool for DC shoes and Monster.

Why isn't this thread locked yet?

 

[Nismo34]

Why isn't this thread locked yet?

Because this is being discussed by mature people. Not people out to flame others. This has so far been a decent discussion that has already been over previous things in other AWD hate threads, but this thread has been carried out in a much more mature fashion. Please dont ruin that now. At least there is a specific thread for people to have their say on the subject instead of a new thread about it every 5 minutes...