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Oh god don't even start on what tyres are realistic I think we've bashed this topic to hell and back.
Why people hate 4WD drifter?
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Oh god don't even start on what tyres are realistic I think we've bashed this topic to hell and back.
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I don't hate AWD drifters, I just don't like the fact that they have an edge on RWD cars. They have more spinning tires and more grip (more exit speed). I only use RWD when drifting but don't care what others use BUT it sucks when your mixing the 2 drive trains when doing a tandem.
I don't know why people buy a game with "The Real Driving Simulator" on the box and want to "acrade" it up?? I'm on GT for the realism and intend to keep it that way. When I want an arcade game, I'll play NFS.
Just my 2 cents.
I don't know why people buy a game with "The Real Driving Simulator" on the box and want to "acrade" it up?? I'm on GT for the realism and intend to keep it that way. When I want an arcade game, I'll play NFS.
Just my 2 cents.
Okay so basically there is no problem with AWD drifters, it all comes down to your decision to join which room. Some rooms stride for realism (competitions and such) which is not appropriate because people generally don't drift with AWD cars in real life (although I do when it snows but I have really bad tires).
Rooms that would be appropriate would be the free session types of rooms. There problem solved, no need to get into specifics like tires.
Rooms that would be appropriate would be the free session types of rooms. There problem solved, no need to get into specifics like tires.
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Ok i am not sure if this has been added by anyone but, ok if you think that putting your TQ SPLIT at 10/90 and set your L.S.D. at 5/5/5 is the equivalent to doing a 4WD conversion.. You are very wrong, put the car into reverse and see what i am talking about.... Plus it technically is still powered not by much but yes still is... I don't know what the technical word for a 4WD sliding but i am pretty sure most people call it power sliding... not drifting... I would love to have a conversion option in GT5... First car i would do it to would be the R33... Realistically no, 4WD power sliding isn't drifting... I mean this is getting stupid... I have seen a similar thread like this that ended up bad just like the drifting tire threads.... When you say you either can't or have a hard time with things like drifting with certain cars or tires... Why not start a thread about needing help or training instead of making something like this that you know that is going to cause a big fight.
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Yeah Orphan... we know.
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Clarification: AWD Drifting
Reminder: It's not taboo to discuss the problems with AWD drifting, the problems with tandem drifting AWD with RWD cars, and the like. Which is why this thread is open.
We must recognize, however, that "drifting" is "drifting", whatever drivetrain you use. Can't change the English language to suit your preferences.
Thank you.
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niky
I know that... I was using a term that is used by drifters... You hear it quite often in the drifting community.... Actually i really don't think there is actually a exact term for 4WD drifting so to speak... Just wanting to clarify that i wasn't saying that it is... I was using the best and most common term... Do you get what i am saying now? So before you jump to a conclusion about what i am saying read what i said a few times... I guess it is just the way i word things, but i would appreciate it if you would ask me what i meant before jumping to conclusions... And you wouldn't think "i am trying to re-write the English dictionary to suit myself" Thanks
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You said "4WD powersliding is not drifting".
Now, let's get this straight:
Drifting is drifting. Whether you do it with a RWD car, a FWD car, an AWD car, a motorcycle, a Power-Wheel or a bicycle.
The sport of drifting is restricted to RWD cars. But the actual technique of drifting is not.
Now, let's get this straight:
Wikipedia
Drifting is drifting. Whether you do it with a RWD car, a FWD car, an AWD car, a motorcycle, a Power-Wheel or a bicycle.
The sport of drifting is restricted to RWD cars. But the actual technique of drifting is not.
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niky
Ok.... I was referring to why they are hated in the drifting community on GT5.... Let me explain this a little better i guess ok because you are still not getting my point.... So let me put a little more detail so you and anyone else will understand what i meant....
Let me first add that i know and understand the definition of drifting... I have no problem with any drive-trains drifting ok... I wasn't saying i had a problem with it... It just depends on if it is a appropriate room to bring a 4WD or front wheel drive or rear wheel drive car out on to a track in a GT5 lobby... In my rooms i don't really care as long as you are not hitting the other drivers and the other way around... When people who drift other drive-trains show up in a D1 room and they are mad about the drive-train restriction and try to make a big deal about it being restricted and they wonder why they either get kicked out or they get other people making fun of them... They don't understand when and where it is appropriate to bring those type of cars out... I see this a lot when i am in lobbies with friends that go by D1 and formula drift rules... But like i said said before yes ("power sliding") it is a term used by a lot of D1 or formula drift style drifters... Because in D1 and in formula drift they are band... So no once again i wasn't saying that it is called power sliding.. That is a popular term used in that part of the drifting community... sorry for not adding every detail... For now on i guess i will do so people won't misunderstand me... Hope you get what i meant now... But for the people who do drift other drive-trains beside FRs you are not hated... It is just most likely the rooms you go into that go into it isn't appropriate to bring cars like that out on the track... But like it should stay... Keep drifting fun
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cant agree more! 👍
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I drift and and people hate me idk if you like what you drift then drift it, I like what I drift so let me drift it. Also no AWD driftin in real life? Y'all must not watch real life drifting. Ken Block buff said
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I find it ironic that this thread was started by someone that was a forza regular, especially considering he would have the option to turn a 4wd/awd into a true rwd. I personally have no issue w/ awd drifters in a casual setting. There are many cars within the game which are converted into conventional drift cars irl (evo, impreza, skyline) and I don't blame anyone who would like to drift them on a regular basis. But understand no one probably "hates" 4wd/awd drifters, they're just unacceptable in most accepted forms of competition, irl or virtually. Prefer to drift an evo in competition? The answer is not to b!tch and moan about how VDC wont accept you, go start your own series.. I think it's positively hilarious that I hear complaints about how, "they won't let me drift in their room", or "this competition sucks because my car isn't allowed because of its inherent drivetrain" and yet how many Drifting Meets threads have been started outlining that awd vehicles are allowed for competition? None as far as I can see. The fact is this, the vast majority of GTPlanet advertised competitions or meets call for rwd only, CH tires. Those are the rules and if it is your intention to take part, you must do as the Romans do. Want to be a contrarian? Get of your butt and open a thread advertising awd drift rooms and awd competitions. Do you have some fear that GTPlanet won't allow to do so? Or are you hell bent on making the other 90+% of this site conform to what you see is fit? Wouldn't it just be easier to set your own rules for your own game?
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Hey just FYI i know exactly what you are talking about... But no, that is called the "GYMKHANA"... They are actually trying to make that some kind of sport.... Here is a link to that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ7R_buZPSo
There are more related videos to that one too..
But no they call what he is do "GYMKHANA" you will even see it in DIRT3 they have a game mode dedicated to it...
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Well put good sir. I was actually tandemin with a 4wd skyline this morning...but good 4wd drifters are few and far between.
Its not that people hate 4wd's or the people who drift them. What we hate is getting bashed mid corner by someone in an STi on sports softs. Then they say "I hit you because you were going too slow." (happened to me this morning)
I always look in my rear view just before i initiate to check for a closing 4wd, and if i see one, i let them pass because i know im going to get wrecked if i dont. Thats what bugs us. Not your drivetrain orientation... its the lack of give a 🤬 about other drifters. I will do whatever it takes to not hit someone... and if i do hit someone.. i say my bad or sorry...but it seems like 4wd drifters dont care and will just ram you to get you out of their way... and thats not cool. It gets real old... really fast. Just my observation.
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Ok, first, it's called "Gymkhana". Second, try to join D1GP or Formula Drift or any other professional drift championship in an AWD car & see what happens...
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True but isn't "gymkhana" essentially fancy drifting. And I just said he was a pro drifter with a AWD car I never said he was in D1GP or Formula Drift but if you watch his videos there are also curves just like any D1GP pro would take in there cars that he takes just as good as them in his car. So my whole point is you can drift in the real world with an AWD. Just cause people haven't seen it with there own eyes doesn't mean it's not ever happened
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Sigh...give people a foot....
A: Gymkhana=Gymkhana is a type of motorsport practiced in an increasing number of countries. Similar to autocross, gymkhana courses are often very complex and memorizing the course is a significant part of achieving a fast time.
Gymkhana events are time and/or speed events in an automobile. These can feature obstacles such as cones, tires, and barrels. The driver must maneuver through a predetermined "track" performing many different driving techniques. What separates gymkhana from traditional autocross events is that the gymkhana requires drivers to perform reversals, 180 degree spins, 360 degree spins, parking boxes, figure 8s and other advanced skills. Drifting is also encouraged where helpful or necessary. Essentially, a gymkhana is any event featuring a starting point, a finish line and some sort of "obstacle" to get through, around, or by, all within a certain time limit.
Notice how none of the above states "fancy drifting"
B. Ken Block has been seen in a RWD car(Escort I believe) attempting his motorsport, and he sucks, further proving how much of a crutch awd has become for him
C. Now that gymkhana has been explained, I'd like someone to report to GT Planet about an actual drift series somewhere where awd vehicles are allowed (Don't gimme no crap about exhibitions or Gatebil). When your fruitless search is over, maybe you'll understand why awd isn't allowed...4 wheels driven=unfair advantage, case closed. Can you drift faster? Yes, but only because you're driving more wheels at the same time than rwd or fwd(which by the way is accepted as a drifting drivtrain in D1SL Japan- so why do you think the world accepts a fwd drifter before an awd one?)
I'll just let you marinate on that for a minute
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Of course they're modified, just like drift car suspensions bear almost no relation to the street cars they're based on. But you can drift on a regular bike, too.
One of my favorite cycle sports is Motard racing, some incredibly good stuff:
The only fact is:
AWD is banned in major drifting competitons, merely as an unfair advantage... not because AWD cars can't drift.
Though obviously AWD cars cannot meet the aesthetic requirements of high-level competition drifting, namely sliding for hundreds of feet on opposite lock, drifting is still drifting, just like diving is still diving whether you do it from a board, a cliff-face or the edge of the pool.
The only difference is in competition diving or drifting, there are forms to be followed, is all.
The reason we originally posted the "Clarification" thread is that the moderation staff was irked at the amount of hate and arrogant authoritarianism here in the new drift subforum. Back in GT4, the drift regulars welcomed AWD drifters.
And of course, all it takes is one organizer to allow AWD cars to drift in competition, and it renders the whole argument moot.
http://www.redbullmea.com/cs/Satell...-Red-Bull-Car-Park-Drift-2012/001242984985394
Again, perfectly fine if you want to boot AWD cars out of D1 rooms. Perfectly fine to complain about people who don't read or conform to room rules. Perfectly fine to discuss what's wrong with tandem running with mixed drivetrains. Perfectly fine to discuss which drivetrain requires more skill to drift.
But to say "that ain't drifting, yo... you don't know what that word means!"... nope.
We at GTPlanet try to be an open community and welcome everyone, but all the bile in here sometimes turns off newbie drifters. We're all here to have fun, right? And if you're too incensed by such little issues to have fun, what's the point in playing a game? So... be nice.
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You still are not getting what people including me are stating... Let me try again.... They are not hated in the subject of 4WD drifters there is a law in drifting that states that it is illegal to drift them in many books about drifting them in yes D1 and FD... This thread's question is why 4WD drifters are hated... Not if they are drifting or not... I fully understand that... But that rule that drifting are based on and that are followed in competitions technically isn't saying that they are not drifting... But they are outlawed from drifting... So like i said before i personally don't care what you are driving as long as you are having fun... Also like i have said before mabey the reason people think they are hated is because... When someone joins a room wanting to drift their 4WD when they see everyone else in rear wheel drive cars (and the opposite way around too) why even do it..... You already know what is most likely going to happen... But whether or not they are actually drifting or not is not the point.. Let that part go.... Whether or not it is appropriate for the room you are joining would be the main reason people think they are hated.. So like i said to you before... Don't always assume everyone is expressing hate on here because you were wrong about me you could be wrong about some of them...
Also that is what i was saying those facts should be implemented in GTP...
Once again
1. AWDs doesn't mean you're not drifting
2. But they are illegal in pretty much all circumstances of a computational event that is drifting..
You still are not getting what people including me are stating... Let me try again.... They are not hated in the subject of 4WD drifters there is a law in drifting that states that it is illegal to drift them in many books about drifting them in yes D1 and FD... This thread's question is why 4WD drifters are hated... Not if they are drifting or not... I fully understand that... But that rule that drifting are based on and that are followed in competitions technically isn't saying that they are not drifting... But they are outlawed from drifting... So like i said before i personally don't care what you are driving as long as you are having fun... Also like i have said before mabey the reason people think they are hated is because... When someone joins a room wanting to drift their 4WD when they see everyone else in rear wheel drive cars (and the opposite way around too) why even do it..... You already know what is most likely going to happen... But whether or not they are actually drifting or not is not the point.. Let that part go.... Whether or not it is appropriate for the room you are joining would be the main reason people think they are hated.. So like i said to you before... Don't always assume everyone is expressing hate on here because you were wrong about me you could be wrong about some of them...
Also that is what i was saying those facts should be implemented in GTP...
Once again
1. AWDs doesn't mean you're not drifting
2. But they are illegal in pretty much all circumstances of a computational event that is drifting..
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Again, I'm not the one who said:
Thus, the refutation of said quote is as unambiguous as I can make it.
Nope. They're only illegal in major "professional" drifting events. I've already cited a drifting competition in which AWD is perfectly legal.
And they're only "illegal" in online rooms where they contravene those rooms' stated rules.
Again, you are within your rights to vent about people who contravene room rules, but be aware that "illegal" in this case is not under law, but merely within the sporting regulations of a motorsports series that only refers to itself and not other series.
Again, got no quarrel with you stating that AWD should not be in D1GP rooms or the like. Just pointing that out.
Thus, the refutation of said quote is as unambiguous as I can make it.
Nope. They're only illegal in major "professional" drifting events. I've already cited a drifting competition in which AWD is perfectly legal.
And they're only "illegal" in online rooms where they contravene those rooms' stated rules.
Again, you are within your rights to vent about people who contravene room rules, but be aware that "illegal" in this case is not under law, but merely within the sporting regulations of a motorsports series that only refers to itself and not other series.
Again, got no quarrel with you stating that AWD should not be in D1GP rooms or the like. Just pointing that out.
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