Why people hate 4WD drifter?

[Drift_Monkey]

I don't see this discussion going anywhere. Just circles. In my opinion awd drifting is like training wheels for the real deal. If you want to stay in your awd room and drift we have no problem. But don't think because we wont drift with you or we can't catch you it means that you're better. It simply means those training wheels puts you in a different class.

Btw most awd drifters are either immature or have no common courtesy.

 

[Nismo34]

Btw most awd drifters are either immature or have no common courtesy.

Orly? What makes you say that?

 

[Stavingo]

I don't see this discussion going anywhere. Just circles. In my opinion awd drifting is like training wheels for the real deal. If you want to stay in your awd room and drift we have no problem. But don't think because we wont drift with you or we can't catch you it means that you're better. It simply means those training wheels puts you in a different class.

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[Nissan Lover]

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LOL....That's funny

 

[turbo^]

...I know its not really real life to drift awd car...

Pffftt...

 

[Megamarcx84]

Pffftt...

I quickly see these Alm brothers are becoming the new spokespersons for 4wd drifters everywhere(Sorry Ken Block?)

So I'm sorry this is supposed to prove that awd is allowed in a major competition?
Or is it further proof that the unfair advantage that awd provides means it is restricted to be a veritable sideshow or exhibition when used at an event setting?

 

[eight6er]

If anything that video just shows in real life 4WD can't drift. The only "drift" in that video that should score any points, in a real drifting competition with traditional rules, is at 1:57. The rest would not score because of all the steering corrections and no angle on the front wheels.

 

[maveric25]

if anything that video just shows in real life 4wd can't drift. The only "drift" in that video that should score any points, in a real drifting competition with traditional rules, is at 1:57. The rest would not score because of all the steering corrections and no angle on the front wheels.

+1 👍

 

[Lock2Lock]

Wow nice

 

[Darkrage1138]

I think this page has simply become a place to flame AWD/4WD drifters, it should be locked

 

[Lock2Lock]

I think this page has simply become a place to flame AWD/4WD drifters, it should be locked

Yes i agree some of us have tried to point out valid details on the subject and either things said get confused or are just not true valid answers to the subject. And this thread keeps going from people actually trying to help other understand to just pure hate... Well good luck to you AWD drifters... Mabey i will see you around if and when you guys make the transition to RWD... like i said before keep drifting fun (for all)

 

[niky]

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If anything that video just shows in real life 4WD can't drift. The only "drift" in that video that should score any points, in a real drifting competition with traditional rules, is at 1:57. The rest would not score because of all the steering corrections and no angle on the front wheels.

So there is one drift in the video that would score points, so the cars can't drift? Color me confused.

A demonstration is a demonstration. Since there are things an AWD car can do that other cars can't, they take advantage of that. It's obviously not a competition style drift.

 

[zedfonsie]

This will never come to an agreement, they will always say:
4wd drifter: "well I can get more angle bla bla bla"
rwd drifter:"that's because it's impossible to spin, its training wheels bla bla bla its not drifting"
4wd drifter:"well 4wd is drifting, look at ken block"
rwd drifter: "ken block isn't much of a drifter, more of a showoff"
4wd drifter: "rwd drifting is stupid"
rwd drifter: "4wd drifting is stupid"

Sigh...

There isn't much 4wd drifting because well
A.4wd cars are a lot more expensive
B.It's kind of not the hot thing, sure people do it but its a bit more of a private sport, not a public sport if you know what I mean.

 

[Lazy Liquid]

Pffftt...

No tandem, so im not impressed. One single "drift" in a open corner doesn´t put any AWD in the same conditions to tandem door 2 door for several corners with an regular RWD. In general, this video is shows nothing more than burnouts in movement + powerslides. There is no how to tandem using these paterns of lines.

 

[zedfonsie]

I just watched that video and with those lines, there isn't going to be any tandem.

 

[eight6er]

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So there is one drift in the video that would score points, so the cars can't drift? Color me confused.

A demonstration is a demonstration. Since there are things an AWD car can do that other cars can't, they take advantage of that. It's obviously not a competition style drift.

Maybe I should have worded it better, so as not to confuse. Where I'm from, when you say "if anything" before a sentence, it can mean what you are about to say can be taken in humor.

Considering the amount of footage and only 3 seconds of it had a drift, as defined in the quote you posted from wikipedia, I would consider that a bad example to prove to people 4WD can drift in real life. Yes it proves it's possible, but not very common in real life and most likely only happened because the corner suited it and it's not possible on most corners.

 

[niky]

The thing is, with AWD, you can steer into a turn or a doughnut to keep it going, which is why they do so in demonstrations.

Oppo-lack on all corners with AWD is very possible. Just set the torque-bias at the center differential far rearward and employ a massively aggressive rear LSD for easier kick-outs both with clutch-kick and lift-off. Most AWDs don't do this because the whole point is to avoid both oversteer and understeer. Nice if you have a new STI, where you can fiddle with the center differential to get something similar, allowing you to drive it (almost) like a rear-driver. Most AWD vehicles are understeering turds.

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Definitely not something you'd want to tandem with a rear-driver in real-life. The lines are just... different. And the aesthetics are different as well. But tandem with another AWD with the same set-up? Maybe.

 

[zedfonsie]

The thing is, with AWD, you can steer into a turn or a doughnut to keep it going, which is why they do so in demonstrations.

Oppo-lack on all corners with AWD is very possible. Just set the torque-bias at the center differential far rearward and employ a massively aggressive rear LSD for easier kick-outs both with clutch-kick and lift-off. Most AWDs don't do this because the whole point is to avoid both oversteer and understeer. Nice if you have a new STI, where you can fiddle with the center differential to get something similar, allowing you to drive it (almost) like a rear-driver. Most AWD vehicles are understeering turds.

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Definitely not something you'd want to tandem with a rear-driver in real-life. The lines are just... different. And the aesthetics are different as well. But tandem with another AWD with the same set-up? Maybe.

True, most 4wd cars do understeer quite a bit, I've driven a 5 door sti before and I didn't like the feel or the hideous looks!

I can image two AWD cars tandeming with each other.

Awd drivers tend to drive different lines, even in gt5 when you go into a public lobby the AWD drifters tend to take the outside, inside and still inside drifting line. Probably cause of the great understeer they are getting with all the smoke coming out the front wheels.

 

[BkS]

Can we lock this already. After all there is a AWD clarifaction thread stickied at the top of the forum.

 

[Bobalob]

I imagine rwd drifting as balancing a broom on the palm of your hand... but with awd you get to steady it with the other hand...

Awd tandum drifting doesn't work, the speed differential is to great, corrections give big alterations in lines and speed. unless it's in extreme low grip it's very hard trying to stay door to door.

 

[eight6er]

The thing is, with AWD, you can steer into a turn or a doughnut to keep it going, which is why they do so in demonstrations.

Oppo-lack on all corners with AWD is very possible. Just set the torque-bias at the center differential far rearward and employ a massively aggressive rear LSD for easier kick-outs both with clutch-kick and lift-off. Most AWDs don't do this because the whole point is to avoid both oversteer and understeer. Nice if you have a new STI, where you can fiddle with the center differential to get something similar, allowing you to drive it (almost) like a rear-driver. Most AWD vehicles are understeering turds.

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Definitely not something you'd want to tandem with a rear-driver in real-life. The lines are just... different. And the aesthetics are different as well. But tandem with another AWD with the same set-up? Maybe.

Yes I'd agree completely with what you said, except I'm not sure about the oppo lock on all corners. I don't think that's possible unless there is serious mods done, like removing the front lsd or maybe some real expensive active differentials like in the old WRC cars and set it up to drift, effectively making it RWD. I just can't see it happening on all corners.

I drove the old STi with the adjustable center diff and it feels more like a RWD until you start to try drifting it, once the rear wheels start to spin hard, it just seems to feel like any other wrx and pull you out of it, unless you straighten the wheels or steer in. Nice car though.

 

[niky]

Given the right speed... it's possible... but of course, you won't be able to hang on too long.

Once you get into the mods needed to make it a full-on drift car, they are pretty extensive. It's a similar level of complexity with RWD, to be fair, but most series deem it too much of an expense. If they allow it and the big teams start doing it, it starts becoming difficult for the small teams to keep up.

Getting a good grid going relies on keeping things simple. When they allowed the Scion RWD conversion in the US series, that was done with lots of reservations, because that's a big budget job. I think the most fantastic thing is the new drive to allow V8 conversions... as these are easier to source and work on for American teams...

 

[Bobalob]

I don't follow the American side of things bit I've never known of a full drift purpose awd car only one of custom things for stage and events, much like a monster truck or daft vehicles that can pull wheelies, I didn't know there was even a "scene" just half a dozen people scattered over the world doing there own thing

If ken block didn't exsist we probably wouldn't have this thread.

 

[jagdrag77]

Haters are gonna hate?

Seriously, people bicker about the smallest things, espically young tweens who think Ken Block is all the rage and don't know anything about drifting or the history of it.

As a means of hopefully ending such a stupid topic, just drift what you want and the rest can get 🤬

 

[nk4e]

I started to drift AWD because of Colin McRae..if he could do it on Dirt, why can't I do it in a game?

 

[Lock2Lock]

I started to drift AWD because of Colin McRae..if he could do it on Dirt, why can't I do it in a game?

Yes Colin McRae & Kent Block are trying to make a sport called GYMKHANA... It involves most AWD rally cars and they do crazy AWD drifting or powersliding or roasting tires (whatever you want to call it) but it has nothing to do with any other form of professional sport of drifting... They are trying to make GYMKHANA a professional sport.. I would really like to see it become a sport.... But what i see is a lot of drifters on here that i know compete in D1 style events that are posting things against AWD drifting which you all need to look at both sides of the story... May i suggest something to both parties... I drift in D1 style events ok... If i went into a room and see people drifting AWD cars i don't disrespect you for doing it i will just leave the room... I would do the same thing if i was a AWD drifter... If i go into rooms where it is blocked in regulations i wouldn't ask for them to unlock it because obviously the host had a reason to block it... All i am saying is both parties just need to leave each other alone... I mean in all actuality it is just a video game.. There is no reason for anyone to be hating each other for something they did on a video game and it is actually not hurting you in reality...
I mean if you preach and preach and no one listens to you after you make your point clear and you think they are living in a fantasy world... Well let them live in it... What is the point... If it is always going to end up in a fight why even try... And in my opinion it doesn't make any sense to argue it by typing it down... Words and attitudes get confused... Either by word choice or they way you write them... I get it all the time... People think i am being a you know what.. But i am not... Just answer this for me ok.... Is it really worth the drama to argue?

 

[maveric25]

Orphan's right, this argument is over some virtual cars in a game system.... what's the point if this keeps going.... from the last posts I've read you guys are just basically trying to win the argument at any cost, heck, there's even Wikipedia quotes in there, don't trust anything from there, anyone can change stuff.... I know some people will ignore this because they don't want to lose but, please, just stop this argument, let everyone do what they like.

 

[Stavingo]

Colin McRae did Gymkhana?

Wow.

 

[ZZII Master]

No awd in D1, nuff said, end of thread! 👍

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Actually, I am pretty sure just about everyone else here will agree with me on this one.

if they dont kick them lol

i just put limitations on my rooms I.E. comfort hard tires, and RWD only

 

[zedfonsie]

Richard burns is better!

For anybody who thinks ken block is a pro rally driver/drifter.

1.He's not a drifter, he does gymkhana. And I'm pretty sure he doesn't go to any gymkhana sessions, he just makes fancy videos that took him many tries to get it right.

2.

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I posted all of that for one reason, I hate when I ask someone who is the best drifter, they say ken block. Here's some real ken block on a REAL playground.

He is still a rookie rally driver, but he has more accidents then A LOT of the other rookies have. He should go back to what he's at best, making videos. Practice on courses by yourself ken before you start spending millions on something your not ready for yet.

Back onto the current topic,
4wd is more for fun and mild competitiveness, but for hardcore drifting (at least for now) rwd drifting is dominate. I'm sure in the future there will be an awd tournament that is like formula D.