Downhill Dino
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I was just making an example of 4WD drifting, I know it doesn't matter who it is. But isn't any form of drifting, just sliding a car?
Why people hate 4WD drifter?
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I have said this before i guess i will say it again...
1. No one is saying "AWD drifting isn't drifting"
2. AWD drifters are not hated... AWD drifters may think they're but they're not
3. In a lot of cases the drift rooms (the host sets up) are in the D1 & FD style for the purpose to be like what it is in real life.. And in those style rooms there are no other drive-trains other than RWD..
4. I am saying this for AWD, RWD, and even FWD drifters when you join a room kindly ask what the host if he or she cares about "blank" drive-train in the room... If he or she is against your drive-train... Just say ok thanks then either get out a car that is appropriate for the room or leave... Don't pay attention to any other people but the host is the one who technically makes the rules for the lobby.. Who cares about what someone else in the room says.. That is why there is a mute option if you want to use it..
1. No one is saying "AWD drifting isn't drifting"
2. AWD drifters are not hated... AWD drifters may think they're but they're not
3. In a lot of cases the drift rooms (the host sets up) are in the D1 & FD style for the purpose to be like what it is in real life.. And in those style rooms there are no other drive-trains other than RWD..
4. I am saying this for AWD, RWD, and even FWD drifters when you join a room kindly ask what the host if he or she cares about "blank" drive-train in the room... If he or she is against your drive-train... Just say ok thanks then either get out a car that is appropriate for the room or leave... Don't pay attention to any other people but the host is the one who technically makes the rules for the lobby.. Who cares about what someone else in the room says.. That is why there is a mute option if you want to use it..
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Downhill Dino
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What does that have anything to do with what I said?
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Oh ok. No problems then.
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Meant to say powersliding.
Don't mean to be an a** but honestly, and it's basically the truth, 4WD powersliding & FWD whatever it is that they do can't compare to RWD drifting. 1. Look at the professional events, FD & D1GP being the most famous ones, they're RWD only. 2. RWD cars look better & are way smoother when sideways. 3. AWD tandem is almost impossible, let alone FWD tandem which I've never seen attempted. 4. RWD requires more skill, throttle control & steering control. In AWD you don't need much throttle control because the front tires giving out power helps you to not spin out.
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definition of drifting.
A car is drifting when the rear slip angle is greater than the front slip angle, to such an extent that the front wheels are pointing in the opposite direction to the turn (e.g. car is turning left, wheels are pointed right or vice versa).
so this means anything that follows this rule is drifting ^_^
now in my mind drifting a car requires control but the definition doesn't, fact is drifting in definition "outside cars" is simply loosly sliding about and that is what we do in cars. I think i presented enough proof. 💡
A car is drifting when the rear slip angle is greater than the front slip angle, to such an extent that the front wheels are pointing in the opposite direction to the turn (e.g. car is turning left, wheels are pointed right or vice versa).
so this means anything that follows this rule is drifting ^_^
now in my mind drifting a car requires control but the definition doesn't, fact is drifting in definition "outside cars" is simply loosly sliding about and that is what we do in cars. I think i presented enough proof. 💡
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Wikipedia definition...
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You guys are all saying opinions. The fact is, 4wd cars don't require any countersteer. Powerslide means on throttle though almost the entire corner, which is kind of what rwd drifters do right? So you guys can't say 4wd is power sliding.
4wd fwd rwd there all drifting, BUT DIFFERENT STYLES.
It's like sports, theres football,soccer,golf,basketball,volleyball ect. They're all sports.
4wd drifting is frowned upon cause ITS EASIER, It's like playing basketball but you don't have to dribble, it gives an unfair advantage.
RWD drifting is not frowned upon because it requires you need to learn how the car behaves, don't make an ignorant statement saying that 4wd drifting doesn't require car control, they all require car control, BUT they are all at different learning positions, they require different amounts of time to learn.
FWD drifting is something that is quite new. In my opinion it's like a dog with worms dragging its arse across the floor. It requires you to be on constant power and pulling the ebrake while turning opposite of the corner to make it which ends in 1 second unless you keep pulling the handbrake. It's drifting.
Reason why people frown upon 4WD and FWD drifting is because it's new. It's a tradition to drift RWD, its like eating turkey on thanksgiving, but people wanted to try something new. It's still drifting, but in a new form/ technique.
4wd fwd rwd there all drifting, BUT DIFFERENT STYLES.
It's like sports, theres football,soccer,golf,basketball,volleyball ect. They're all sports.
4wd drifting is frowned upon cause ITS EASIER, It's like playing basketball but you don't have to dribble, it gives an unfair advantage.
RWD drifting is not frowned upon because it requires you need to learn how the car behaves, don't make an ignorant statement saying that 4wd drifting doesn't require car control, they all require car control, BUT they are all at different learning positions, they require different amounts of time to learn.
FWD drifting is something that is quite new. In my opinion it's like a dog with worms dragging its arse across the floor. It requires you to be on constant power and pulling the ebrake while turning opposite of the corner to make it which ends in 1 second unless you keep pulling the handbrake. It's drifting.
Reason why people frown upon 4WD and FWD drifting is because it's new. It's a tradition to drift RWD, its like eating turkey on thanksgiving, but people wanted to try something new. It's still drifting, but in a new form/ technique.
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Ok, Zed... you got your point and i respect that, but i still not buying (at all). AWD x RWD is not like music preferences, fashion wearing preferences where there is no right and wrong 100%. Also, for me, its annoying to see people defending that online drifting should be open for AWD since the loby is not running any kind of competition based IRL champs.
Ill not even drop into the 10-90 x 50-50 debate (witch NEVER been clarified in this thread, about who defends AWD and what kind of drivetrain distribuition they are using). My point is that online drifting is not a solo pratice, and RWD x RWD is enough dificult to happen corner after corner. No mater what drivetrain distribuition, nobody who is driving a RWD wants to share a corner with a AWD with his so famous less (sometimes none) angle adjustment, more traction working in between the corner and specialy in the corner exit, so always will happens a huge dispairity.
I read here that yes, AWD is ok for tandeming... but none real proof so far. I really wish to see 2 cars (RWD x AWD) witch similar PP and HP, doing a perfect D2D lap in any GT5 short track (Eiger, Tsukuba, AMR) without "make up" or without messing up the tandem due some massive understeer.
Even 10-90 is enough to ruin a tandem pairity.
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I don't like 4wd drifting nor fwd drifting, but saying its not drifting is kind of an ignorant statement people make. It's all drifting but rwd drifting is back to basics.
In my own opinion I think rwd drifting is best because it requires the most time to learn and is traditional. I like traditional.
In my own opinion I think rwd drifting is best because it requires the most time to learn and is traditional. I like traditional.
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I've noticed a slight comparison between the children here who dislike any drive-train besides RWD and the children from Call of Duty who complain when kids "hardscope" instead of "Quickscope" because "quickscoping" requires more skill. And for the people whos argument is "It's not realistic, people don't do it in real life", I hope you know GT5 is not real life, it's a video game, people can do whatever they want and it shouldn't be your concern, so deal with it. That is all.
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Ok now that one guy gave a stupid look to the wiki def, what is your definition and where do you get it? if you give me a definition from the creator of drifting i'll change my opinion, but since you can't it is all up to each person to decide their style and that should not be complained about every time someone mentions it.
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zedfonsie
I'm pretty sure that not the reason. Its not because its new, its mainly because it uses no skill. You said it yourself as a fact, as you say in the same post, that AWD requires no counter steer. In RWD there's counter steer and throttle control, its not that easy as just applying full throttle and slide, its way more than that. Kids love AWD because they can just slide without the work and knowledge.
Why would I, being a RWD drifter, run with someone in a AWD? They'll take off on the exit with a grin on there face like they're better. I've tried tandeming with many AWD drifters and it DOES NOT work, not to mention with this whole sport tires phase that's going on, but that's another topic.
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My view on this whole 4wd drifting thing is this. Sliding your car around for fun is the objective of drifting. If you can some how magically slide a fwd around a track while doing a tandem and not bump anyone, hold them up or be a pure nuisance on the track then drift whatever you want. I have drifted with guys using 4wd and to be honest I never had a single problem with it.
For example check out this post I made in our driftninja thread some time ago.
Cant remember who was in the Nismo 400R but we had a damn good time. So if you can manage it do it. Some people see it as being easy to drift or whatever... I say do what you can handle... RWD is prefered and will make you automatically cooler LOL 👍
For example check out this post I made in our driftninja thread some time ago.
More Juice
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Cant remember who was in the Nismo 400R but we had a damn good time. So if you can manage it do it. Some people see it as being easy to drift or whatever... I say do what you can handle... RWD is prefered and will make you automatically cooler LOL 👍
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Man, those cars in the pics look unorganized. It looks like a desperate game of catch the leader lol. Pics 4 and 5 look good though, must be the RWD kicking in 
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^ Dead on lol.
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This i would like to see in gran turismo 👍
👍 quoted for the truth
All you need is 300-600hp, rear wheel drive and comfort tires.
Anyway, that's my opinion.
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