Why top GTA times show no finesse at all?
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Oh no! not the placeholder!
GTplanets default answer to anything that isn't perfect. :-D
Agree Johnnypenso & GTPMcBride ;-)
I suppose it has got to cater for the masses but i don't see why they cannot have extreme hardcore physics for us and aids for others, isn't that what they are for, SRF etc?
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Its weird because in real world these race cars an road cars have traction control an abs although race cars most havent abs.. personally i feel that even thou i drive without any aids an abs that it is technically harder more rewarding an faster, but in actual fact is opposite but i am too competitive to be slower, another thing that we get mixed it up is arcade an simulation, i think some people believe simulation should be hardest settings its not really but arcade settings would be to easy for me, as competitive people we will always push the limits an if their a harder setting we will master it..
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- Exorcet
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It would take transforming to explain away the difference in real life and sim if GT is as accurate as you're saying it is. Those slight changes are for the most part ignorable within a session. Driving on a track one week and then coming back a week later is different, but doing all that driving within the span of a couple of hours is going to produce negligible differences.
"Sun came out and you get more grip and can't slide with your previous inputs. Someone got loose and put down to much rubber where you want your front wheels to go over during a slide - you spin."
That applies as much to grip driving as it does to sliding. Even with a field full of cars you're not going to see what you describe above happening. The track will heat up gradually and your input lap to lap will change an almost unnoticeable amount. It would also take multiple races before there is enough change in the track surface to do anything to your car's reaction (unless there is something like an oil spill).
As for trial and error, yes it does work in real life. Of course you can't freely barrel into a corner without touching the brakes and just see what happens, but chances are you're not going to make a fast lap doing that on a virtual track either. You're free to experiment on the track and even go over the limits. Your car won't self destruct just because you did.
There's a difference between having an infinite amount of practice laps with the same car on an unchanging track that happens to reward throwing the car into turns and someone taking a handful of laps per car on a track that is slightly different each time a new car is used and only starts sliding as a consequence of the car going over the limit and not really done intentionally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXIZ6Y38wEI&t=472
Nothing should be sliding intentionally.As long as cars with a decent level of downforce and/or racing tyres don't go faster while sliding, there isn't a massive issue (apart from tyre temperature, we really do need that fixed).
All it does is lower your lateral g and lowers your longitudinal g. So you're slower no matter which way you're going. You're also scrubbing away all your momentum, so even if you managed to increase your angular velocity, once you straighten out you're going slower than you would have been going if you had not broke traction.
About the only place it makes sense are turns smaller than the car's turning radius and you don't really see that on a full size track.
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- Starky513
This is the same thing that happened last year.. left a lot of people mad.
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- mistersafeway
Exorcet, I was talking about Top Gear, not Top Gear Australia (nice video though 👍), as I don't recall seeing many RWDs go through Hammerhead without a little sliding unless they had slicks, downforce or low power. The Stigs get as many laps as they need to set a good time, generally with spare tyres meaning sliding has no consequence, just like the game.
P.S. just in case this is going over anybody's head, I don't think GT has the best physics on the market (I'm not really insane
), just that the biggest issue so far in GT Academy is tyre temperatures.
P.S. just in case this is going over anybody's head, I don't think GT has the best physics on the market (I'm not really insane
), just that the biggest issue so far in GT Academy is tyre temperatures.
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Sliding the car on entry (as executed in GTA), is'nt the same as kicking out the rear wheels commin out of a corner as you apply throttle (as seen out of Hammerhead on TG).
Trail braking and power sliding are two different techniques that serve very different purposes.
Trail braking and power sliding are two different techniques that serve very different purposes.
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I still think it happens too often at Hammerhead to be unintentional, but I hadn't even thought about it being on exit, doesn't it normally start mid-corner, halfway round the much tighter right-hand section? Maybe that's only occasionally... I really can't be bothered to watch the dozen or so laps that would be necessary to ascertain it.
Seeing as I'm too lazy to find evidence for my theory, this is your victory (er... if you guys saw this as a battle. For me it was just an interesting exchange of views 👍). I'm going to withhold full judgement though until it's possible to play 6 and add tyre wear as well as possibly changing other options to make it more of a sim.
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Where's my popcorn??
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That's in F1 cars, with touring cars he was totally different and he was known to get the Lotus sideways in a controlled, smooth manner.
It's also worth noting that throughout history the quickest drivers have been the ones who didn't mind slight oversteer, barring Fernando Alonso who as we know tends to prefer understeer. Having said this, the oversteer preference in the GT6/GT Academy demo is just plain ridiculous and unrealistic.
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In Formula 1 Drivers who like understeer need the opposite in setup because an understeery car combined with understeer style driver is bad.. Lewis Hamilton prefers understeer in his car because he generates oversteer in driving.. their are video's with button & lewis explaining what they like..
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And based on this you clearly have no idea what you're on about.
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Lol wise up.. its all about balance, an oversteery driver does not need oversteery car or want.. you clearly show no knowledge.. you dont understand thats fine
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That...makes no sense. You're saying a driver who likes oversteer wants a car that does the opposite.
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You can always make an understeer prone car to oversteer simply by driving it the right way 
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Yes i am
their is a video explaining this, lewis an Button talk about their different styles.. lewis prefers his car to have that slight undeersteer because he balances it with his driving style, vice versa with button he drives smooth so he can have that oversteery car to balance it doesnt bother him.. look at alonso he uses soo much steering lock that it pushes the front forward creating understeer on the front.. then you have an agressive guy like massa who struggles with consistency with the twitchy car..
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Yes i am
What you're saying is the complete opposite of what they actually say. You're saying a driver deliberately sets up the car to the opposite way they like to drive. If a drivers likes oversteer, you set up the car to oversteer. It's not a matter of balancing it with their style but setting it up so they can drive with that style.
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Driver style an what they like to drive are completely different, i dont need to prove to you for you to understand i am sad that you dont understand.. when Lewis an Button sit their Lewis say's i like the car to understeer more now because i get better balance as am more agressive an create oversteer..
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Show me when he said this.
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I don't know about the preference on Hamilton's part. He has been shown to be good in a neutral or oversteery car. A driver must drive around the machinery he is given. If the car understeers, the driver will be more aggressive on the front end. Alonso's infamous large steering lock style was merely the by-product of his utilizing the Renault chassis to its utmost. That car had massive front-end stability due to the mass damper system, and that's the style it demanded, to be thrown in, courting oversteer. Ferrari's lamentable early 2012 car was very twitchy, and that demanded a smoother and more measured driving style... And that is what Alonso developed in turn, so much so that when they finally fixed it, Massa started edging him out as he had to re-adapt, as opposed to Massa, who didn't gel with the car in the first place.
The 2013 also seems edgy. Massa has been having a difficult time of it in some races.
That said, yes, many drivers have a preferred set-up. The good ones will need the car tailored to their preferences. The great ones will happily drive whatever makes the car fastest.
The 2013 also seems edgy. Massa has been having a difficult time of it in some races.
That said, yes, many drivers have a preferred set-up. The good ones will need the car tailored to their preferences. The great ones will happily drive whatever makes the car fastest.
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