Will America attack Iran?
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- kylehnat
The guidance system on the B2 bomber could hit Saddam between the eyes...from 55,000 feet in the air. And that's 20 year old technology.TurboSmoke
Precision attacks are just that; precise. Today, missles are guided by lasers, cameras, and the human brain. Argue if you must the legitimacy of certain targets, but don't act like the U.S. military can't hit the broad side of a barn.
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kylehnat
if you want to use an intelligence failure ..use a BIG one .
like not finding all the WMDS that were supposed to exist in Iraq.
@ danoff.... I ran out of pop corn and its too early for a beer .
A stupid little one like Saddam not being where he was supposed to be ...and BTW ..the media not the Generals put that crap out..AND durring war deliberate misinformation is fed to the media for the enemies consumption...it was good to make Saddam think he was PERSONALLY being tageted etc.
or when clinton cruise missiled an aspririn factory that was supposed to be making bio weapons..or chemical weapons...
He hit the building he aimed at..his INTELLIGENCE estimate of what was in the building MAY have been fauty .
ahhhh well ....why bother .
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/17/iran.nuclear/index.html
What? Build nuclear power plants for power ? Never!
What? Build nuclear power plants for power ? Never!
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http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm
http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_15197.shtml
http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_13607.shtml
http://www.genocidewatch.org/AntiSemitismIranianPresidentStandsbyCalltoWipeIsraelOffMapNov05.htm
You think these are some of the " concerns" about the Irainian intentions the article alludes to ?
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'k, heres the deal, i only have 2 mins to respond then i have to leave again...so i'll deal with the points directly raised in response to me.
i thought you were talking about the USA, so with that cleared up i have to say that Israel cannot launch a pre-emptive stike with a nuclear weapon on Tehran as this will contraviene the said treaty on NP of nukes. Not unless explicit evidence is recieved that says Iran has nukes. Then they can use nukes in response. Its all in the NPT.
i am not discrediting the technology the US used on its pre-emptive stike on Baghdad. The US military hardware in the best around, however when it is backed up by faulty intel data, then all the weaons in the world aren't going to produce the desired end result.
@ Daisy. I havent changed my stance, no. I have consistently agrued against the actions of the Bushco regime internally and externally. You have consistently defended thier foreign policy in the face of my critisism. Thats your choice and its a free forum. You'll not change my views but dont say dan is wasting his breath because he is not trying to change my views as you once did. Its true, i have been away in the Land of America for a couple of years working. Before that i lived in the US for 4 years in my teens and I love the US and its people. You seem to forget that. Please remember it in future.
danoff
i thought you were talking about the USA, so with that cleared up i have to say that Israel cannot launch a pre-emptive stike with a nuclear weapon on Tehran as this will contraviene the said treaty on NP of nukes. Not unless explicit evidence is recieved that says Iran has nukes. Then they can use nukes in response. Its all in the NPT.
kylehnat
i am not discrediting the technology the US used on its pre-emptive stike on Baghdad. The US military hardware in the best around, however when it is backed up by faulty intel data, then all the weaons in the world aren't going to produce the desired end result.
@ Daisy. I havent changed my stance, no. I have consistently agrued against the actions of the Bushco regime internally and externally. You have consistently defended thier foreign policy in the face of my critisism. Thats your choice and its a free forum. You'll not change my views but dont say dan is wasting his breath because he is not trying to change my views as you once did. Its true, i have been away in the Land of America for a couple of years working. Before that i lived in the US for 4 years in my teens and I love the US and its people. You seem to forget that. Please remember it in future.
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Famine
Its highly unlikey that they would use nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear NPT signatory country. Israel isnt supposed to have nukes right? Has America flouted the treaty? The answer is yes of course.
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Eh..NO.kylehnat
Two such bombers missed Saddams nose bridge, missed their target Dora Farm & hit adjoining civilian residences as an illegal pre-emptive salvo before the official start of the Iraq war.
Mmmn...BS seems to be the precision mechanism.
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A US intelligence report made public for the first time yesterday gave a 'shock verdict' on Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions, with marked differences to previous estimates and in stark contrast to current neo-Conservative rumblings that Iran is 'determined' to build nuclear weapons. The National Intelligence Estimate (available here, .pdf format), is the result of collated intelligence from 16 American intelligence agencies, and concludes "We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003 Tehran halted its nuclear weapons programme." and that "We do not know whether [Iran] currently intends to develop nuclear weapons."
Although the report also adds that Iran has "the scientific, technical and industrial capacity to eventually produce nuclear weapons if it decides to do so", it also says (with high confidence) that Iran does not currently have nuclear weapons nor are they capable of producing a weapon until ~ 2015, even if they were 'determined' to, which this report categorically states is no longer a valid thing to say that they are (based on all the available evidence).
This seems to be in rather sharp disagreement with what the current administration have been saying lately. According to the Guardian, "Bush and vice-president Dick Cheney have been claiming without equivocation that Tehran is bent on achieving a nuclear weapon, with the president warning in October of the risk of a third world war."... (source)
Although the report also adds that Iran has "the scientific, technical and industrial capacity to eventually produce nuclear weapons if it decides to do so", it also says (with high confidence) that Iran does not currently have nuclear weapons nor are they capable of producing a weapon until ~ 2015, even if they were 'determined' to, which this report categorically states is no longer a valid thing to say that they are (based on all the available evidence).
This seems to be in rather sharp disagreement with what the current administration have been saying lately. According to the Guardian, "Bush and vice-president Dick Cheney have been claiming without equivocation that Tehran is bent on achieving a nuclear weapon, with the president warning in October of the risk of a third world war."... (source)
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I'll tout it as what it is. Intelligence.
I hate how biased the media is. Whatever makes for good ratings is what is put on the air. I can't help but wonder what is really going on in the World. Then again, maybe I don't know because it's best we all don't. One person is smart. A whole bunch of persons iz stupid.
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I was watching the press conference before I went to class today and I actually had to turn the TV off. Its 2003 all over again and the Bush Administration will be looking to have one last hurrah in Iran before hes on his way out.
Not cool.
I may have supported the Iraq war, and I may be indifferent as of right now, but I'm smart enough to see that Iran does not pose an immediate threat... Particularly when we seem to be giving up in Afghanistan, somewhere the troops SHOULD BE. I'm just so sick of it all, and when you know for a fact that whoever gets the GOP or Dem nod will likely tow the same line, it really does make you just want to give up hope.
Not cool.
I may have supported the Iraq war, and I may be indifferent as of right now, but I'm smart enough to see that Iran does not pose an immediate threat... Particularly when we seem to be giving up in Afghanistan, somewhere the troops SHOULD BE. I'm just so sick of it all, and when you know for a fact that whoever gets the GOP or Dem nod will likely tow the same line, it really does make you just want to give up hope.
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If the USA don't attack them, i will take them out single-handedly.
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Unless they cut off your hand for insulting Islam, then your plan is down the drain.
Not in the slightest bit surprising is it, Solid Fro? One of the most powerful countries on earth threatens you, you're going to stop what's pissing them off, aren't you?
Not in the slightest bit surprising is it, Solid Fro? One of the most powerful countries on earth threatens you, you're going to stop what's pissing them off, aren't you?
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Good luck with that...
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Danoff
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War propaganda? WTF? Dude, he was shooting pretty straight there. At no point did he advocate going to war. He was simply saying that there were good national security reasons why this report shouldn't be released, and reasons why it could be called into question.
Not quite sure how you get war propaganda out of that.
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It's subtle, because the current administration has been so in bed with the military industrial complex that, of course, it's itching to go after Iran.
I was using the term very loosely, though.
Anyway, if this report proves the credibility gap which so many people suspected of this administration, then I think it was rightly released. Rogue government is not in the interests of national security.
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You do have to ask yourself why this sort of report is made public. Even reading it myself I couldn't help thinking that I'd stolen it or something. It reminds me of Robin Williams' 'joke' about Congress publicly approving the covert plan to assassinate Saddam Hussein. 
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