Will Gran Turismo be a flop??

[picklesam]

No way it'll flop but i think fans who follow the series from the ps1 days will get bored of the series. I bought gt3 and was WOW and played it eveyday for months, i bought gt4 and stopped playing it after a few weeks.

gt sequels will never flop but i think pd should branch out to other forms of racers.

 

[DaddyVDUB]

Will GT5 be a flop?No way it has enough pre orders not to be a flop.
Will it dissapoint? thats a different matter, I think people have such high expectations that it is quite possible. I for one would be dissapointed if it were just a repackaged GT4, but dont believe that will be the case. PD has more competetion now than ever before,but they will respond to the challenge.

 

[Hun200kmh]

I think no new game of a very successful franchise will be a flop (from a "sales figures" point of view).

However, it can dissapoint and diminish the success of that franchise.

Two examples: GRID and the last NFS titles (before Shift). Were they flops? Not if you just consider sales figures. However, fans of those franchises were annoyed and dissapointed so, in that sense, they were flops.

There's a huge advantage when you have past very successful games with the same name. So, GT5 won't be a flop.

A different question is: will it live up to the GT series standards? Well, that can only be answered after we know the final product.

In my view (a very debatable one), even GT4 didn't live up to what GT3 was when it was released. I got it to 100%, got bored, found Enthusia and never looked back. GT3, however, kept me playing it for YEARS.

GT5P suffered a lot from the fact that it was nothing more then an enhanced demo (litle game) and with a very poor online (no lobbies, just random matching according to pre-set events. However, it was very successful in keeping most of the GT fan-base happy for so long. And ... it showed gamers that PD got worried they were lagging behind in the physics department, because even those that liked GT4 physics (and thought they were sim-like or "the best") clearly noticed a MAJOR upgrade between GT4 and GT5P.

So, will GT5 live up to what we expect? I sincerely hope so (I'm in fact confident it will, even if I'm worried about the implementation of damage and the quality of the AI).

And this means that, unlike what happens with every other game being released, I won't wait for other gtplanet users reviews to decide on buying it. I have decided to buy it, on release-day if possible.

Coming from a severe critic of GT4, I guess this tells you GT5 won't be a flop commercially. We will see what happens after.

 

[Simple SIM]

Gt5 is like gt4, but alot better looking with a few new feutures, then we have forza3 that are not equal in graphics, but has a heck lot more feutures. The thing is when its time for next gt and next forza, forza may be the winner.

//Thenoozer

Well, there is some truth in what you say.

I don't know how "GT 5 vs Forza 3" will turn out. But they are releasing just a few months apart ( god I hope so ).

The last time this happened was "GT 4 vs Forza 1"

Back then I hated Forza. I thought it would suck compared to GT, but then the reviews started coming out and the unthinkable happened. Forza actually managed to beat GT Every Forza review was filled with DIRECT comparisons to GT, and for the most part it was Forza that came out on top.

Even since then I have been a Forza fan aswell as a GT fan.👍

It's very possible that Forza 3 will score higher than GT 5.... but I would disagree with anyone who would call it a "flop"

 

[01GTP]

Yes i have seen gt5 prologue. Matter of fact I own gran turismo prologue. I bought my playstation in 2008 just because of gran turismo5.

It won't fail because of people like yourself. You bought the PS3 just because of GT5. Many will but the game just because it's Gran Turismo.

Yes it can, because earlier gt series didnt have any competition. Nowadays it has. We better hope its not an upscaled version of gt4, because forza will take "land" fast if thats the fact.

How can you say you have Prologue and still think it's an upscaled GT4.
Even the standard physics are not quite the same as GT4 physics and the pro physics are not even in the same ballpark.
I wonder what GT5 physics will feel like. It's to be different than Prologue.

As for the cars and tracks, they are the same, so how far can they go into making them look good? I think they're damn good already.
I don't care how good or bad the sound may be as long as they all don't sound the same.
I mean really, how many out there really know how a Ferrari sounds as compared to the game?
I see them around and they sound good enough in the game. Just changing the view you use to drive changes the sound of the car quite a bit.
Try driving the RUF RGT in GT4 and you here almost no engine sound while using cockpit view. Now that is what I want in a game, something realistic, attention to detail.

But what happens if gran turismo flops?
They must renew their concept. Because that concept doesnt work anymore,

I believe it's their concept that keeps the game going, along with great graphics and attention to detail. I have played GT4 every day for years (until WRS changed to GT5P). I still LAN race with it every week and it just doesn't get boring for me. I prefer LAN racing to online racing and GT5 is to have wireless LAN so.............
If GT5 were not to be released until next year I would go out and get a new PS2 and play GT4 more than Prologue.
There is just so much content in GT4, and GT5 will have more.

But I really hold my thumbs for gran turismo and i wish it "cleans the carpet" (swedish proverb), with its competitors

In the USA we say "wipes the floor".

GT5 will wipe the floor with all other racing games! 👍

No fail here.

 

[Thenoozer]

It won't fail because of people like yourself. You bought the PS3 just because of GT5. Many will but the game just because it's Gran Turismo.

How can you say you have Prologue and still think it's an upscaled GT4.
Even the standard physics are not quite the same as GT4 physics and the pro physics are not even in the same ballpark.
I wonder what GT5 physics will feel like. It's to be different than Prologue.

As for the cars and tracks, they are the same, so how far can they go into making them look good? I think they're damn good already.
I don't care how good or bad the sound may be as long as they all don't sound the same.
I mean really, how many out there really know how a Ferrari sounds as compared to the game?
I see them around and they sound good enough in the game. Just changing the view you use to drive changes the sound of the car quite a bit.
Try driving the RUF RGT in GT4 and you here almost no engine sound while using cockpit view. Now that is what I want in a game, something realistic, attention to detail.


I believe it's their concept that keeps the game going, along with great graphics and attention to detail. I have played GT4 every day for years (until WRS changed to GT5P). I still LAN race with it every week and it just doesn't get boring for me. I prefer LAN racing to online racing and GT5 is to have wireless LAN so.............
If GT5 were not to be released until next year I would go out and get a new PS2 and play GT4 more than Prologue.
There is just so much content in GT4, and GT5 will have more.

In the USA we say "wipes the floor".

GT5 will wipe the floor with all other racing games! 👍

No fail here.

Not entirely what my points was about. I meant what we have been shown in gtpsp is crap. gtpsp and gt5 is gonna be linked, so you can transfer cars. gran turismo prologue has the best graphics in a racing game ever. Some cars do even sound very good (bmw 135i). And yes I have heard ferrari's in real life, so I can compare. Gt5 better give us some high quality sounding cars or have to be an extremely fun game compared to Forza. Sound of cars is extremely important to me. Sounds make the car, a ferrari wouldnt be a ferrari without the sound. Honda wouldnt be honda without high revving 4 cylinders. So that you dont care about sounds is bullcrap, if you really dont care, you dont like cars that much do you.

 

[RedBaron]

If GT5 will be Prologue with Nordschleife, I am perfectly satisfied and there's no flop for me. But why don't let the other dreams come true? And I think we all have been dreaming a lot )

 

[Coiler]

Gran Turismo a flop? GOOD JOKE !!!

 

[Simple SIM]

Gran Turismo a flop? GOOD JOKE !!!

Well, it's a fair topic.

From a review score perspective GT 4 flopped and so did GT 5 prologue ( but that flopped for being an expensive demo ).

Will GT 5 flop too?

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Well if we answer this question based on sales then the answer is no chance. I believe the Gran Turismo Franchise is unique in gaming because people will buy this despite their gaming preference. For example FPS fans will buy COD whereas racing fans will buy Forza, NFS shift. Now with GT you often find many people buying this because GT has always been symbolic with pushing a console to its limits and delivering the very best. My neighbour is really looking forward to GT5 and yet generally he has no interest in racing games but he enjoys the sheer quality of the graphics that PD often deliver.

Im sure amongst some of the members on here they are bound to be disappointed with certain aspects of GT. Whether this is the physics, graphics, gameplay, online features or even the wrong shaped trees lol. It would be very difficult for PD to nail every aspect of GT5 which is why you have to look at the overall package. For example I have no doubts the graphics, physics, gameplay will be excellent but I am nervous about PD lack of experience in online play.

Overall just the mention of GT5 will make sure its a seller. I do enjoy the Forza franchise but it has a very long way before it becomes as popular as GT (if ever). If you ask any fan of videos games to name a racing game I reckon 90% time Gran Turismo will be the first game to spring to mind. You never see Forza being shown in movies or TV shows i.e Top gear but Gran Turismo certainly is!!

 

[Lion-Face]

I meant what we have been shown in gtpsp is crap.

Now I don't get this. I hear a lot of people dismissing GT PSP but for no good reason? So GT for PSP is basically GT4 on the PSP yes? GT4 was one hell of a game that I played for years, even this year I've loaded it up a few times for a bash around Nurburgring. If I can do that on PSP wherever I am, isn't that just awesome!? I think its looking great and can't wait for it personally.

 

[N155AN]

Now I don't get this. I hear a lot of people dismissing GT PSP but for no good reason? So GT for PSP is basically GT4 on the PSP yes? GT4 was one hell of a game that I played for years, even this year I've loaded it up a few times for a bash around Nurburgring. If I can do that on PSP wherever I am, isn't that just awesome!? I think its looking great and can't wait for it personally.

👍 well said

people dont realise that how good gt4 was, they just want it to be gt5p/gt5 standards on a pretty much limited psp

 

[Simple SIM]

GT 4 was a disappointment and the lowest scoring GT game ever ( not including prologues ).

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Gt5 better give us some high quality sounding cars or have to be an extremely fun game compared to Forza. .

Yes but part of the reason why Forza was fun is due to it being very arcadey. How we measure fun differs for different people. For example I love hotlapping but I find this much more enjoyable and rewarding on GT5P compared to FM2 simply due to the precision required.

If you want to paint cartoons on your cars, flog cars in an Auction house, race against friends with arcade physics then play FM3. If you want more realistic graphics, physics then the choice is simply GT5.

Racing online against 15 other players using my Logitech G25, Gameracer cockpit is going to be more enjoyable than racing against 7 other players using my 360 controller!!

 

[hugo24]

I would think many would see GT5 as a flop if it launches with 20 tracks in 60 variations, when GT5P already had 6 tracks and around 12 variations, and Forza 3 having roughly 30 tracks and 100 variations. mAny expected the big fall update to include 2-3 extra tracks which would have taken GT5P to close to half the full content of what GT5 is rumoured to contain.

GT's media machine is a catch 22 because of the hype it built up about damage not being released until Kaz thought they could do it justice, and when it hits a Subaru Imprezza doing 200mph hits a wall full tilt and the car is not only not a write off but only the side skirt and maybe front bumper are bent or dislodged.

When it takes so long to implement features such as weather or damage, people rightly or wrongly build up expectations that when they aren't fufilled see the game as a let down.

 

[Joey D]

I will laugh so hard if GT5 flops because it will crush all the hopes and dreams of arrogant fanboys. Part of me actually is sort of hoping for a bust so I can laugh at all this nonsense. The other part of me hopes it does do well though, or at least well enough, so that another game in the series can come out in 10 years .

I don't think it will be a bust though, maybe not as successful as people think but I'm guessing it will do well enough. A lot of people bought GT titles in the past, so I have to imagine quite a few will buy this one too. Although I really think GT5 needs to step up it's game if it wants to win over the gamer crowd. Sure car people and those who like simulation type games will get it, but in order to attract more people they need to be innovative. Forza and NFS both have things that would attract the average gamer, and GT really needs to follow that example. And maybe they have, since information is still a bit thin it's hard to call it one way or another.

 

[Thenoozer]

I will laugh so hard if GT5 flops because it will crush all the hopes and dreams of arrogant fanboys. Part of me actually is sort of hoping for a bust so I can laugh at all this nonsense. The other part of me hopes it does do well though, or at least well enough, so that another game in the series can come out in 10 years .

I don't think it will be a bust though, maybe not as successful as people think but I'm guessing it will do well enough. A lot of people bought GT titles in the past, so I have to imagine quite a few will buy this one too. Although I really think GT5 needs to step up it's game if it wants to win over the gamer crowd. Sure car people and those who like simulation type games will get it, but in order to attract more people they need to be innovative. Forza and NFS both have things that would attract the average gamer, and GT really needs to follow that example. And maybe they have, since information is still a bit thin it's hard to call it one way or another.

Well written, that was also one of my thoughts. Forza franchise delivers almost everything you can imagine in their last title. What more can you ask for really?? Gt will bury their own grave, if they dont renew their concept. I dont think just tuning and driving wont work so much longer for gt. And I cincerely hope gt has evolved so much it still can be number 1. Kaz said in one interview he didnt know nothing about the competion. "good work" if its true. I started playing gt3 around 8 years ago, and then followed with the concept games and then gt4. I loved it because it delivered that anyone else couldnt or didnt. Nowadays forza delivers what gt has delivered plus more.

 

[Joey D]

Forza franchise delivers almost everything you can imagine in their last title. What more can you ask for really??

They've still manage to add things to this title though, granted they are things that make the game more "all-gamer" friendly. Rewind feature, assists, etc. Forza still has a long way to go in a lot of areas to best GT, but then again GT has a long way to go in a lot of areas to best Forza. And I'll be curious to see what NFS: Shift throws into the equation.

All I know is it's an exciting time to be a video game racing fan because everyone seems to be stepping up their game when it comes to delivering an awesome product to the consumer.

 

[01GTP]

Not entirely what my points was about. I meant what we have been shown in gtpsp is crap. gtpsp and gt5 is gonna be linked, so you can transfer cars. gran turismo prologue has the best graphics in a racing game ever.

Sorry, I thought this was about GT5 being a flop.
What can we really see in an PSP screen that's so small?
When transferring cars from one to the other I would think the difference will be in the console, not necessarily the software, meaning it will be better on the PS3.
I don't know if that is correct (I'm no computer tech) but it sounds feasible to me.

Sound of cars is extremely important to me. Sounds make the car, a ferrari wouldnt be a ferrari without the sound. Honda wouldnt be honda without high revving 4 cylinders. So that you dont care about sounds is bullcrap, if you really dont care, you dont like cars that much do you.

Sound is all that is needed. As long as I can hear an engine revving and tire squeal, that is all that's needed.
For it to sound exactly correct? bah!
I like cars (look at my photo's) but don't really care what they sound like in real life. That is probably carried over to the game.
Some people drive while listening to music........ huh?

As everyone has preferences, sound is not mine, nor damage, nor liveries, like in other games.

You prefer sounds to sound exact, or at least more representative, but I say good enough. It's a preference.

 

[DJMaky]

Nowadays forza delivers what gt has delivered plus more.

Haahahahaha, no.
I think only small group of people shares your thoughts.
And FYI GT is written with capital letters.

 

[regnar]

Since PD has given us so little specifics about this game (except the leaked list), a lot of peoples own built-up expectations will be what makes it a failure, if PD can't deliver what they didn't promise. GT3 had less cars & tracks than GT2, but still moved the series forward. The only way it could be a flop, would be if it came with less cars and tracks than prologue. At minimum we know it's going to be better than prologue which would make it a good game, if it delivers peoples expectations then it would be a great game.

 

[Terronium-12]

As for the cars and tracks, they are the same, so how far can they go into making them look good? I think they're damn good already.

There are at least several different ways they could do it, but ultimately it'd be more expensive than possibly feasible. I think they're being laser-scanned at this point I can't recall 100%.

I don't care how good or bad the sound may be as long as they all don't sound the same.

Your entitled to your opinion no doubt about that, but at the end of the day that doesn't make one shred of sense; would you really want to drive an Enzo that sounds like a Yaris?

I mean really, how many out there really know how a Ferrari sounds as compared to the game?

For starters, I'd reckon about 128,291 people here alone.

I see them around and they sound good enough in the game. Just changing the view you use to drive changes the sound of the car quite a bit.
Try driving the RUF RGT in GT4 and you here almost no engine sound while using cockpit view. Now that is what I want in a game, something realistic, attention to detail.

Well, that's not really the same attention to detail we're all clamoring for. Yes, it is attention to detail but the engine is in the back so there really isn't that much attention to be paid to. Going right back to sound, I'm still looking for an answer as to why the S7 sounds like a Viper when it doesn't even have a V10 in the back.

That's the kind of attention to detail we're talking, no, the kind of attention I'm talking about. 👍

 

[Lain]

Sales-wise, Gran Turismo 5 is not likely to flop. Silly people who don't even care too much for racing games buy Gran Turismo games because of the pretty graphics.

 

[Dude27]

I don't think so... even if it doesn't get all the teased features, Gran Turismo is the kind of game you buy just because of the name because you know that the team, even if they are pretty deaf from their fan base feedback, are very dedicated and meticulous to deliver a great game. You can't go wrong with a GT... (and I'm mostly a PC sim driver already happy owner of PC NFS:Shift)

 

[Northstar]

I don't think so, sure you may not hear a lot of people outside of forums talking about it. But if you ask someone that has a PS3 about GT5 they will probably say they can't wait. That is the type of game it has morphed into, people just need to know what the release date is to buy it.

 

[Custer85]

SONY has a very strong lineup for Christmas and i think GT5 will do very well.
Gran Turismo has become one of the most popular franshises of all time and i think the name alone will help to sell millions of copies, even if the reviewscores may not be as high as they were for GT4.

If GT5 should turn out to be a bad game (wich i highly doupt after playing GT5 Prologue) it will still sell millions of games on christmas, but it will somehow hurt the sales in the long run. A GT6 would definately suffer from a bad GT5.

 

[Simple SIM]

Yes but part of the reason why Forza was fun is due to it being very arcadey. How we measure fun differs for different people. For example I love hotlapping but I find this much more enjoyable and rewarding on GT5P compared to FM2 simply due to the precision required.

If you want to paint cartoons on your cars, flog cars in an Auction house, race against friends with arcade physics then play FM3. If you want more realistic graphics, physics then the choice is simply GT5.

Racing online against 15 other players using my Logitech G25, Gameracer cockpit is going to be more enjoyable than racing against 7 other players using my 360 controller!!

Is it possible for you to not be a fanboy for 5 minutes? LOL

Your comments about Forza suggest you are either joking to get a rise out of people or simply haven't played the game.

Forza is a hardcore simulation presented in the form of a game. There's nothing arcadey about it. It's physics and handling are just as accurate at gran turismo's. Maybe moreso.

The last time gran turismo and forza went head to head was "GT 4 vs Forza" .... and Forza won. Shortly after is when I first started playing Forza. Before that I was strictly into GT.

Maybe you should try actually playing it, or atleast read some reviews. In virtually every review they compare it directly to gran turismo, and Forza came out on top time and time again. Which is why Forza has a higher overall review score.

 

[Joey D]

Can this not turn into a giant GT vs. Forza thread again?

 

[Simple SIM]

Haahahahaha, no.
I think only small group of people shares your thoughts.
And FYI GT is written with capital letters.

No, actually he is right. If you go down the list of features, Forza offers more than GT in a lot of categories. Not all though.

Instead of just laughing at him why don't you try to prove him wrong if you believe he is.

 

[tibiquera]

But what happens if gran turismo flops? I just saw that gt psp video and i almost puked.

So your point is that based on one video you saw you think gt psp sucks because it's pretty much gt4? And as a result gt5 will flop too?

First of all, the psp is much inferior to the ps2, so if they manage to get gt4 on psp, that's a hell of a technical feat.

Second, how can you base your comments (that gt psp is a port of gt4) based on one video? I would understand if it was a preview, but one video?

Finally, how would gt psp affect gt5's quality? Even if gt psp were the worst psp game ever, that does not have anything to do with gt5.