Will GT7 Get Left behind when Forza Motorsports 8 hits the Market?

[azrael1965]

Don't think so. I have tried to make Forza Motorsport my main racing game 7 times and failed every time. FM7 was especially disappointing. But it looked nice.

 

[GTvon]

Hi to all

Let me start saying by, I have bin playing Gran Turismo from ps1. I have always supported polyphony digital.

With all the controversy around Gran Turismo 7 and Lack of Some features our community has asked for, I’m starting to feel that when Forza motorsport seven does come out in 2023 it will annihilate Gran Turismo, I think polyphony Digital need to wake up and start giving us some good content and features to the game before it comes out. Please let me know what you guys all think, I have never supported turned 10 and the Forza motorsports or Xbox for That matter but just looking at the trailer this week and seeing some Acura dpi and Upgraded GT3 And crazy realistic engine bays I can just turn the way. But the key will be the driving do we really think that turn 10 has succeeded???

If they have 2 player split screen that is fair to both drivers it will be far better than GT7 currently is. The fact that the settings that the first controller have for their car are not carried to the second car so one player has to play with no assists at all and the other can use all assists. When two inexperienced driver play the player on controller one will always win by a mile.

I don't have an XBOX nor will I so no for me. PD need to fix the lobby issues amongst others but GT7 has only been out 3 months and we've had some new content already.

You can play XBOX games on the PC you know? That's how I play Forza Horizon 5.

 

[GTvon]

double post

 

[anthonyfa18]

I am Waiting for this weeks update but I think I will start playing ACC again and drop Gran Turismo If fundamental BOP changes don’t happen

 

[mastretta_mx]

No

 

[platocplx]

Nope. Don’t see it happening at all. Games will still have very specific differences to what they pay attention to.

 

[UKMikey]

Gran Turismo games have a long wait between releases. Maybe Forza can take advantage of the gap in the market. The sequel to Forza 2023 is a lot more likely to come out before GT8 so maybe this won't happen next year, but in a few years. I don't think Polyphony will carry on updating GT7 right up until the release of GT8 so at some point the series's competitors have a chance to overtake it.

 

[GTvon]

The ridiculous thing about this post is that neither of these games and the people that make them are trying to "stop" each other. That mentality is only taken by those that have an irrational hate towards one side of the fence. Sales are irrelevant to everyone besides those that make these games.

They're both aimed at people that have a love of cars. I like both, so does that make me a senile teenager?

It makes you an immature old timer. ;-)

 

[liquid_ocelot]

Wtf lol, hell no. The racing in Forza is atrocious.

 

[UKMikey]

I wonder why everybody targets the online racing in Forza. What percentage of people regularly race online?

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Wtf lol, hell no. The racing in Forza is atrocious.

And GT7 is well known for good racing, right? Come on.

 

[liquid_ocelot]

And GT7 is well known for good racing, right? Come on.

Compared to Forza, yes...

Edit: In terms of online play. I'm sure Forza has a good campaign.

 

[dcalde78]

I'm gonna go with no. Having gone from playing a lot of Horizon (which is admittedly more arcade than the Motorsport series) and Motorsport 7 itself, Forza offers a completely different experience of racing compared to Gran Turismo. Forza Motorsport isn't better or worse than Gran Turismo, just different and it depends entirely on what kind of experience that you want. In my opinion, GT edges out on realism but is a little lacking in car customisation whereas Forza is the opposite.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Compared to Forza, yes...

Edit: In terms of online play. I'm sure Forza has a good campaign.

GT7 online isn't in a good state, while Forza has promised some really good improvements. Obviously we have to wait and see how it actually ends up, but if they even try a SR/DR type system it's not going to be too hard to beat GT7.

 

[br1x]

GT7 online isn't in a good state, while Forza has promised some really good improvements. Obviously we have to wait and see how it actually ends up, but if they even try a SR/DR type system it's not going to be too hard to beat GT7.

The thing is, GTS' online was in a better state already than GT7s, one would have thought they learned from GTS and improved upon it, but they didn't.

And another area where Forza seems to be strong is the amount of recent cars they have. Just in the trailer there are probably more 2018 and newer cars than in the whole of GT7, if they will deliver a good amount and selection in all eras remains to be seen of course.

 

[Dave A]

Compared to Forza, yes...

Edit: In terms of online play. I'm sure Forza has a good campaign.

I can only assume you mean online racing, because the single player races are definitely better in Forza 7. They aren't the best, there's a lot of room for improvement, but the fact they aren't nearly all catch up to the rabbit before the race finishes is better by default.

I can't compare the online, I don't pay for PlayStation Plus and I'm not really bothered about online gaming.

 

[dcalde78]

The thing is, GTS' online was in a better state already than GT7s, one would have thought they learned from GTS and improved upon it, but they didn't.

And another area where Forza seems to be strong is the amount of recent cars they have. Just in the trailer there are probably more 2018 and newer cars than in the whole of GT7, if they will deliver a good amount and selection in all eras remains to be seen of course.

I never played a lot of Sport, but in my time playing 7's Sport mode, the only problem I've had is the glitched race starts which seems to have been largely addressed in the latest patch. BS penalties aside (as they also seemed to happen in Sport), what problems are there that I'm unaware of?

 

[br1x]

I never played a lot of Sport, but in my time playing 7's Sport mode, the only problem I've had is the glitched race starts which seems to have been largely addressed in the latest patch. BS penalties aside (as they also seemed to happen in Sport), what problems are there that I'm unaware of?

Just a few things from the top of my head:

-BoP is absolutely horrendous

-Lobbys are completely broken, many features from GTS were removed and are seemingly coming back step by step judging by the latest update, also a whole lot of of disconnects, blackscreens, other bugs

-Some players are visually jittering heavily, so you can't judge their position at all (some suspect it is a crossplay issue)

-The daily races are largely incredibly boring, with no strategy or weather, just straight sprint races with no weather (which is one of the really cool new features of GT7)


I am sure others will have more things to add, the issues are enough that many content creators don't do much GT7 content, if any at all, and top esport players are quitting until the issues are fixed.

 

[VolusiaF30]

The graphics from what I've seen of FM8 look absolutely mind blowing, better than GT7. And somehow they're managing in game ray tracing. May have to get an XSX and Drivehub so my T300 works with it

 

[Sven Jurgens]

It's a trailer, wait for actual game play! Plus in the end I rather have more cars on tracks than flowers waving in the wind you never notice while racing!

But no doubt it will look better than GT7, FM7 already has some tracks that leave GT7 behind :/ The city tracks are stunning.

 

[VolusiaF30]

It's a trailer, wait for actual game play! Plus in the end I rather have more cars on tracks than flowers waving in the wind you never notice while racing!

But no doubt it will look better than GT7, FM7 already has some tracks that leave GT7 behind :/ The city tracks are stunning.

I was referring to the cars and engine bays etc not the scenery. Their graphics engine is one of the best out there. No idea how they're pulling off in game RT though, it must have a dynamic resolution to compensate

 

[Don3hide]

Not a chance in hell. Forza feels more like Need for Speed. Too aracadey.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I was referring to the cars and engine bays etc not the scenery. Their graphics engine is one of the best out there. No idea how they're pulling off in game RT though, it must have a dynamic resolution to compensate

Ah, tbh I hardly ever look at the cars
I rather race against 200 ps2 models on N24 than 20 ps5 models

It will have dynamic resolution and how effective RT will be remains to be seen. On PS5 it actually degrades the image quality slightly in photo mode. You get sharper pictures with RT off.

 

[05XR8]

Not a chance in hell. Forza feels more like Need for Speed. Too aracadey.

How could GT7 NOT get left behind? For the solo player, even combining GTS & GT7(up til now), the GT series are just now getting Livery Editor. That's 12-17 years behind Forza. Tyre pressure been in the Forza series since day one. GT still doesn't have that. We get some form of championship in GT7, but not a full on weekend of racing(practice, qualifying, feature race). Plus, not for all disciplines( I know GT7 isn't complete and more content is to come).

Full weather and a dynamic track is just now appearing in the GT series. That's behind past Forza games. Again, how is GT7 NOT left behind?

 

[GTxForza]

Oh boy, more fanboyism is coming as they continue this imaginary rivalry between Gran Turismo & Forza Motorsport series.

 

[Imari]

I wonder why everybody targets the online racing in Forza. What percentage of people regularly race online?

Amongst people who play games like GT or FM, it's pretty small. The primary market for both games seems to be people mostly interested in single player and general screwing around having fun with cars.

If people want a good online sim racing experience, both GT and FM are pretty poor choices.

It's a trailer, wait for actual game play!

They've put out gameplay already.



What we need now is career and single player structure. Which I'm sure they'll do a deep dive on at some point before release.

Not a chance in hell. Forza feels more like Need for Speed. Too aracadey.

Lol.

 

[liquid_ocelot]

How could GT7 NOT get left behind? For the solo player, even combining GTS & GT7(up til now), the GT series are just now getting Livery Editor. That's 12-17 years behind Forza. Tyre pressure been in the Forza series since day one. GT still doesn't have that. We get some form of championship in GT7, but not a full on weekend of racing(practice, qualifying, feature race). Plus, not for all disciplines( I know GT7 isn't complete and more content is to come).

Full weather and a dynamic track is just now appearing in the GT series. That's behind past Forza games. Again, how is GT7 NOT left behind?

Yea and Forza is finally getting fully animated pit stops, proper tire compounds, and fuel management. The first two are features that have been in Gran Turismo since GT4. GT Sport had fuel management.

Both games have their pros and cons, but Gran Turismo's online system and community is leagues ahead of what I've experienced with previous Forza entries. Maybe Forza 8 will be different, but the idea that "GT7 will get left behind" is an overreaction.

Forza 8 isn't even out yet, and all we have to go off is a trailer that was running on a PC (which emphasized graphics over gameplay) and the previous FM games.

 

[scooterlord]

It's a win for everyone if we can have one more good racing game. If they manage to get the FFB right (and hopefully work nice out of the box without a million settings!) then I'd certainly give it a try.

As for FM7, I used to have a Logitech G25 back then, I managed to get it to work, so it was an enjoyable experience, lots of races and fun, but couldn't get my Fanatec CSL to play nice, so... that's too bad.

 

[VolusiaF30]

Yea and Forza is finally getting fully animated pit stops, proper tire compounds, and fuel management. The first two are features that have been in Gran Turismo since GT4. GT Sport had fuel management.

Both games have their pros and cons, but Gran Turismo's online system and community is leagues ahead of what I've experienced with previous Forza entries. Maybe Forza 8 will be different, but the idea that "GT7 will get left behind" is an overreaction.

Forza 8 isn't even out yet, and all we have to go off is a trailer that was running on a PC (which emphasized graphics over gameplay) and the previous FM games.

Forza hype always emphasizes graphics over gameplay because it's one of Microsofts major selling points. Every Forza release involved bigging up the relevant console at the time because it does have a beautiful graphics engine and a huge player base. I hope they do away with those credit mods and just keep it simple, the less assists you use the higher % payout like the older games used to do

 

[UKMikey]

I wonder why everybody targets the online racing in Forza. What percentage of people regularly race online?

Amongst people who play games like GT or FM, it's pretty small. The primary market for both games seems to be people mostly interested in single player and general screwing around having fun with cars.

If people want a good online sim racing experience, both GT and FM are pretty poor choices.

That's interesting as it's pretty much what I thought. I left GT7 behind after completing all the café missions in a weekend. Hopefully FM2023 will have a longer single player campaign and more challenging AI.