Will Standard Cars be in GT7?Addressed 

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CAMAROBOY69
Because you cant get through a GT game without using a standard. That is a fact. So if someone does not want to use standards, they will never finish the game since 80% of the cars are standards.
Example. Remember the truck races in GT5? All the trucks were standards. You physically would not be able to finish the game if you did not use a standard.

Honestly think about trying to play a game with 80% standards and then say "If you do not want to use the standard cars than dont use them?". Doesn't make much sense does it? :lol:

Remind me of this from Due Date.


So to avoid the standards (waffles) I will avoid GT7. :D
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The thing is, if they took out standards than that would just be less content in the game. I enjoy seeing standards racing around and such. It seems 95% of the premium cars are nissans, supercars, or race cars. I guess the way I see it, no standards just means less cars, if they could updtate the standards that would be great, but its best to keep them than get rid of them.
 
BIGJake111
The thing is, if they took out standards than that would just be less content in the game. I enjoy seeing standards racing around and such. It seems 95% of the premium cars are nissans, supercars, or race cars. I guess the way I see it, no standards just means less cars, if they could updtate the standards that would be great, but its best to keep them than get rid of them.
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As far as car selection yes there will be less content,but less cars equals more time being spent to make sure the remaining cars are perfect,it also means they can now focus on making sure everything comes out on time.If we don't see the sound patch or gps course maker or any other major content in GT7 on day one more than likely standard cars are going to be to blame.You guys are trying to hold onto something thats only causing GT problems.
 
MLRSparco
As far as car selection yes there will be less content,but less cars equals more time being spent to make sure the remaining cars are perfect,it also means they can now focus on making sure everything comes out on time.If we don't see the sound patch or gps course maker or any other major content in GT7 on day one more than likely standard cars are going to be to blame.You guys are trying to hold onto something thats only causing GT problems.
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I wonder if there will be standards sounds too? There's no way they car re-record all those cars or even a large number of them, and still continue to pump out new cars with state of the art [GT7 quality] sounds. They'll have no choice but to use whatever samples they have for most cars and somehow tweak them with their new sound "breakthrough" they referred to, or just leave them the same.

You'll not only have standard renders but standard sound as well. 👎👎
 
Johnnypenso
I wonder if there will be standards sounds too? There's no way they car re-record all those cars or even a large number of them, and still continue to pump out new cars with state of the art [GT7 quality] sounds. They'll have no choice but to use whatever samples they have for most cars and somehow tweak them with their new sound "breakthrough" they referred to, or just leave them the same.

You'll not only have standard renders but standard sound as well. 👎👎
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I'm sure they'll try and update the standard models as much as they can and they'll definitely have to add some type of cockpit whether it be legit or generic,as for the sounds yea they'll probably tweak it or I hope they do because the ones they have now are unacceptable for the PS4.

Either way its time being taken away from other content,it's not that I dont like standard cars but sooner or later standards are gonna have to go,why not when transferring to a new console?If they can cut the standard count in half and make them premium that would be the best senairio,but keeping them all in is just causing the small team that they have to stretch and that ends with deadlines not being made and a unifinished game being released.
 
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More regular cars as Premiums. Like your BMW E30s, Pulsar GTI-Rs ,Hot Hatches, Corolla Truenos, Impreza WRXs(Ya'll know me:D), Chasers etc. I was also thinking this the other day as well : Most people do want SUpercars plenty of which are premium right now in the game. The suggestions forum speaks this too.

A large majority of standards are regular cars. When Kaz and the PD Team says with standard cars that each has its own fans is because when you look at the census, there's a demand for regular cars from a certain niche of players.

So really the smart thing to do would be to sit everyone down, take the suggestions like I said earlier and to keep people happy whilst saving time from modeling all 1200 by taking these certain cars.

So for example, instead of having 20 standard first gen MX5s, take 1 from that 20 of which to PD and the players find significant or one from each chassis or facelift, model it and boom. Time saved and a better decision for everyone.

Car count will suffer, but better choice will result in the end. Plus, each individual car will have its own identity instead of just being a number in 1200.
 
Car count and the magic 4 digit number are the reason they are keeping standards to begin with. I highly doubt they will be looking at ways to cut the car count by eliminating duplicates. They counted cars with white paint (base models) as part of the new car count for GT6. The number is obviously very important to them, regardless of it's validity.
 
Sad, but true. I'm glad we are keeping many/most of the cars, but.... We could have fewer duplicates.... Oh, well. We shall see.
 
I have a slightly different take on the high priority Premiumized carlist. With the FIA partnership possibly resulting in the inclusion of sim style league racing in GT7, and possibly GT6 to an extent, I think the cars which fit into racing leagues current and past should be a priority.

This will actually be a pretty good list of cars. Hot hatches like the Hondas, Mazdas, Fords and others would be included. Low powered compacts like the Suzukis and Minis would be included. Sports cars like the BMWs, Fords, Mercedes, RUFs (in absence of Porsche), Toyotas, TVRs and a whole slew of cars would be included. And all race cars should be Premiumized as well. All rebuilt to take advantage of whatever damage implementation GT7 will have, as well as working with Race Mod and the Livery Editor. And all done with the focus on providing league based racing with plenty of cars, and full fields with no duplicates.

Along with that, providing the community with enough fodder cars to create their own leagues, either real world or fantasy leagues, like my Asia GT league I'd like to create for the sake of cars like the Cizeta, Spirra, and other Asian cars worthy of being racing machines.
 
Tenacious D
I have a slightly different take on the high priority Premiumized carlist. With the FIA partnership possibly resulting in the inclusion of sim style league racing in GT7, and possibly GT6 to an extent, I think the cars which fit into racing leagues current and past should be a priority.

This will actually be a pretty good list of cars. Hot hatches like the Hondas, Mazdas, Fords and others would be included. Low powered compacts like the Suzukis and Minis would be included. Sports cars like the BMWs, Fords, Mercedes, RUFs (in absence of Porsche), Toyotas, TVRs and a whole slew of cars would be included. And all race cars should be Premiumized as well. All rebuilt to take advantage of whatever damage implementation GT7 will have, as well as working with Race Mod and the Livery Editor. And all done with the focus on providing league based racing with plenty of cars, and full fields with no duplicates.

Along with that, providing the community with enough fodder cars to create their own leagues, either real world or fantasy leagues, like my Asia GT league I'd like to create for the sake of cars like the Cizeta, Spirra, and other Asian cars worthy of being racing machines.
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I have to admit I sometimes get a good laugh at your posts. Sim-style racing? All race cars premiumized? Race mod and livery editor? Not only have they never expressed any real interest in what you're looking for, but this would be a completely different game with a completely different feel to every GT ever made. They've had an association with Nissan through GTAcademy actually trying to create a real life racing driver, and it's been wildly successful IMO, and it never led to sim-style racing just more TT's.

Not only that, do you realize the modeling resources it would take to be able to race mod a huge number of cars? How do you expect them to do this, model 30+ VGT's, upgrade hundreds of standards, and still add more premium cars to the game. They've consistently shown they can produce about 40 unique premium cars/year. Where do all the resources come from to do all this wonderful stuff?
 
MLRSparco
As far as car selection yes there will be less content,but less cars equals more time being spent to make sure the remaining cars are perfect,it also means they can now focus on making sure everything comes out on time.If we don't see the sound patch or gps course maker or any other major content in GT7 on day one more than likely standard cars are going to be to blame.You guys are trying to hold onto something thats only causing GT problems.
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Who cares if all the 2010 and newer cars and every GTR ever made is perfect, I am all for quality, but you need a balance.... Double the car list but all standard would suck, same as half the car list but all premium... why do you think i play GT instead of forza... the whole reason i play this game is the standard cars.
 
Johnnypenso
I have to admit I sometimes get a good laugh at your posts. Sim-style racing? All race cars premiumized? Race mod and livery editor? Not only have they never expressed any real interest in what you're looking for, but this would be a completely different game with a completely different feel to every GT ever made.
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So? Kaz has periodically discussed going in this direction himself.

Not only that, do you realize the modeling resources it would take to be able to race mod a huge number of cars? How do you expect them to do this, model 30+ VGT's, upgrade hundreds of standards, and still add more premium cars to the game. They've consistently shown they can produce about 40 unique premium cars/year. Where do all the resources come from to do all this wonderful stuff?
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Are you aware of how long it takes to model a single car? Never mind a track.

I submit to you that it wouldn't take six man months to model a bodykit around a car. I likewise submit that it wouldn't take six man months to upgrade a Standard to a Superstandard with a race modified version. In six man months, the artists should be able to complete quite a number of livery skins. In addition, we do have a tidy stable of race cars of various leagues which could be used to derive further racing machines. Some of them only require alternate liveries. I'd be happy with fantasy liveries, and as I say, liveries don't take all that long to do.

Let's take American LeMans - and yes, this is its last year, but it's an historic racing series, so let it live on in Gran Turismo, along with the United SportsCar Championship which is replacing it. We have Premium Ford GTs, Vipers, Corvettes, Aston Martins, Audis, BMWs and Ferraris already, some in racing trim. Then we have some excellent RUFs which would be fantastic Porsche stunt doubles, which just need to be Premiumized, or at least given racing trim with the others. So the car side is good to go.

The tracks are a different matter, as a number of them haven't been modeled yet, as far as we know, but provisional existing tracks can be used in the meantime.

A number of FIA GT3 class cars are in GT6 already, some race cars like the Nissan GT-R, some in sports car form, but altering them shouldn't take all that long. Again, many tracks aren't in the game, but that can be worked out.

Bot A.I. needs to be improved, and a better damage build really needs to be in the game, but along with sounds, those should be coming. So frankly, I don't think things are quite as dire as you make them sound.

TayeezSA
Let a man dream as they say
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I do, clearly, I do. And it's fun. :D
 
Tenacious D
So? Kaz has periodically discussed going in this direction himself.


Are you aware of how long it takes to model a single car? Never mind a track.

I submit to you that it wouldn't take six man months to model a bodykit around a car. I likewise submit that it wouldn't take six man months to upgrade a Standard to a Superstandard with a race modified version. In six man months, the artists should be able to complete quite a number of livery skins. In addition, we do have a tidy stable of race cars of various leagues which could be used to derive further racing machines. Some of them only require alternate liveries. I'd be happy with fantasy liveries, and as I say, liveries don't take all that long to do.

Let's take American LeMans - and yes, this is its last year, but it's an historic racing series, so let it live on in Gran Turismo, along with the United SportsCar Championship which is replacing it. We have Premium Ford GTs, Vipers, Corvettes, Aston Martins, Audis, BMWs and Ferraris already, some in racing trim. Then we have some excellent RUFs which would be fantastic Porsche stunt doubles, which just need to be Premiumized, or at least given racing trim with the others. So the car side is good to go.

The tracks are a different matter, as a number of them haven't been modeled yet, as far as we know, but provisional existing tracks can be used in the meantime.

A number of FIA GT3 class cars are in GT6 already, some race cars like the Nissan GT-R, some in sports car form, but altering them shouldn't take all that long. Again, many tracks aren't in the game, but that can be worked out.

Bot A.I. needs to be improved, and a better damage build really needs to be in the game, but along with sounds, those should be coming. So frankly, I don't think things are quite as dire as you make them sound.


I do, clearly, I do. And it's fun. :D
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As usual you respond with stuff I never said. I never said how long it would take to do any of this modeling all I said was it takes time.

Modeling livery skins = modeling time
Standards to semi-premium = modeling time
Race Mods for cars = modeling time
VGT's = modeling time

My point is, what's left to model premium cars? As I've mentioned before, they can model about 40 new premiums/year and there's years of history to prove that number. What will that number be with all of the above added in. 30? 25? 20? That's the point. I'd guess most people buying GT7 wouldn't be happy with 25 or 30 new cars to the series and that's what you'd get if they do all you want them to do.
 
BIGJake111
Who cares if all the 2010 and newer cars and every GTR ever made is perfect, I am all for quality, but you need a balance.... Double the car list but all standard would suck, same as half the car list but all premium... why do you think i play GT instead of forza... the whole reason i play this game is the standard cars.
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Last time I check all premiums weren't 2010 and newer,all I'm sayings is if you guys want a decent game and not a repeat of GT6 your gonna have to let go of these standards.Like I've said before I love standard cars,but I can see what a problem it would cause for GT7,apparently you don't.

Just look at how content came out when the GT5 servers were up,it'll be exactly the same with GT6 and the GT6 servers I'm sure won't be going down in the nxt 3 years.You guys are asking so much from such a small dev team.
 
Johnnypenso
I'd guess most people buying GT7 wouldn't be happy with 25 or 30 new cars to the series and that's what you'd get if they do all you want them to do.
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25 or 30 new cars are about all I can think of wanting to see in GT7. I'm just not impressed with the automakers and their new rides. Sure, not everyone agrees with me, but I got to hang with a bunch of car nuts this 4th of July, and they all groused over how much new cars stink, outside of a select few. So I'm not alone in thinking those cars from the mid-80s on up are where the gold is. And a whole bunch of them are Standards. Much rather see a Premium Mk IV Supra and BMW M3 CSL and GTR than a new Beemer.
 
Tenacious D
25 or 30 new cars are about all I can think of wanting to see in GT7. I'm just not impressed with the automakers and their new rides. Sure, not everyone agrees with me, but I got to hang with a bunch of car nuts this 4th of July, and they all groused over how much new cars stink, outside of a select few. So I'm not alone in thinking those cars from the mid-80s on up are where the gold is. And a whole bunch of them are Standards. Much rather see a Premium Mk IV Supra and BMW M3 CSL and GTR than a new Beemer.
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You can't seriously believe they'd even consider releasing a new game on a new console with only 30 new cars.
 
Johnnypenso
You can't seriously believe they'd even consider releasing a new game on a new console with only 30 new cars.
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Well, when are the lion's share of racing cars from? All these racing games sure seem to have a lot of cars from the past in them, and those are some great cars, you know. Toyota Supras, Ford GTs, Saleens, Aston Martins, BMWs... and I sure want to see those in GT7.

Modern cars are... okay, but I'd much rather see a Kia Optima and new Ford Focus than the latest Merc or Beemer.
 
Tenacious D
Well, when are the lion's share of racing cars from? All these racing games sure seem to have a lot of cars from the past in them, and those are some great cars, you know. Toyota Supras, Ford GTs, Saleens, Aston Martins, BMWs... and I sure want to see those in GT7.

Modern cars are... okay, but I'd much rather see a Kia Optima and new Ford Focus than the latest Merc or Beemer.
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You completely avoided the point I made.

You can't seriously believe they'd even consider releasing a new game on a new console with only 30 new cars.
 
Yes, I can..... But.... I also think that the VGT cars are freeing them up, so we will see a few more than that.
 
Johnnypenso
You completely avoided the point I made.

You can't seriously believe they'd even consider releasing a new game on a new console with only 30 new cars.
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I don't think they would, but they really could, especially if there were "new" cars from the Standards list. And especially if those new cars were converted into race cars which could be liveried by us.

And I'm not avoiding any point. Other than a choice few cars like the new Vette, the Optima, Maxima, Focus, GOLF GTI, new cars just aren't that exciting. A lot of the supercars aren't even all that eyecatching. I'm much more hopeful for seeing a Ferrari F355 and Challenge than some of these hopeful monsters. Heck, since the Reventon, Lamborghinis have all started to look the same. It's almost like carmakers forgot how to make awesome cars.
 
Yes, Standards cars will be in GT7.
 
In all honesty, standards will bring down the overall quality of GT7 if you ask me. Didn't a wise man once say Quality over Quantity?

Model the standards that people want into Premium cars, 1 from each car's series or generation, chuck the rest,boom, the end and Everyone's happy.
 
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