Will Standard Cars be in GT7?Addressed

[GBalao888]

Standard cars are still cars, it's just that they're not modeled properly.

 

[BadDragonzxD999]

If all remaining Standard gets semi-premium treatment, then anyone would be happy atleast. Imagine how Suzuki Alto Works would look like if it gets semi-premium instead of now.

 

[IceMan PJN]

Car count and the magic 4 digit number are the reason they are keeping standards to begin with. I highly doubt they will be looking at ways to cut the car count by eliminating duplicates. They counted cars with white paint (base models) as part of the new car count for GT6. The number is obviously very important to them, regardless of it's validity.

This is a disgraceful fact of PD. They set the bar so low and don't care that they've done it. They're reluctant to take out the axe no matter how badly stuff falls short of quality. They just want to boast big numbers, now matter how cheap those numbers are. They have no shame.

The fanboys are bad, too. Looking back to GT5 as an example, since that was the last GT I got around to playing so far, the fanboys loved to count those 800+ PS2 cars when boasting about how many cars GT5 had, but when we're talking about graphics and how pretty the game looks they like to forget that 80% of the content that looks like crap. You don't get to count them when it's a plus and disregard them when it's a minus. If you want to boast about how GT5 had over a thousand cars, you also have to criticize the game for looking like a steamy turd since most of the game looked right at home on PS2.

 

[Tenacious D]

IceMan, I have to disagree. If we saw Standards like MOST of the Standards in GT5 and 6 on PS2, we'd be messing our pants in amazement and joy. I know Samus is quick to point out that individual perception is significant to the perceiver, so maybe for you, they really do look awful. But this doesn't seem to be the case with many gamers, and even a number of gaming journalists. Maybe GT7 will bring a different reaction, but don't count your posts before they're written.

If we're fanboys for wanting those cars to remain in GT7, that's fine with me. But being derogatory towards us isn't very persuasive.

 

[GregOr1971]

This is a disgraceful fact of PD. They set the bar so low and don't care that they've done it. They're reluctant to take out the axe no matter how badly stuff falls short of quality. They just want to boast big numbers, now matter how cheap those numbers are. They have no shame.

The fanboys are bad, too. Looking back to GT5 as an example, since that was the last GT I got around to playing so far, the fanboys loved to count those 800+ PS2 cars when boasting about how many cars GT5 had, but when we're talking about graphics and how pretty the game looks they like to forget that 80% of the content that looks like crap. You don't get to count them when it's a plus and disregard them when it's a minus. If you want to boast about how GT5 had over a thousand cars, you also have to criticize the game for looking like a steamy turd since most of the game looked right at home on PS2.

I'm not bothered with your view on the matter (it is your opinion) , but then calling everyone who accept "standards" a fanboy bothers me. Does 3 iterations of FM and dozens of other driving games in past 2 decades make a person a GT fanboy , if can get along with so called "GT standard" cars. I'm sure there is a good choice of premium ones (200? 300? 400? ) to cater your needs or your high standards you're looking for. If not,you're playing wrong game .

I'd like to have "standards" updated to "semi premiums" and with some luck this will happen with GT7. But then I don't want to loose cars , I can't drive in any other game. Once those cars (that may not interest you and your friends ,but may interest me and my friends) are out of GT they will not come back and a that part of virtual automotive history will be lost, unless you think T10,SlightlyMad or any other dev out there is interested in making ie. SUZUKI ALTO or 60's Japanese cars ... hell yeah.

 

[SDSPOWER01]

In all honesty, standards will bring down the overall quality of GT7 if you ask me. Didn't a wise man once say Quality over Quantity?

Model the standards that people want into Premium cars, 1 from each car's series or generation, chuck the rest,boom, the end and Everyone's happy.

I just hope that the the cars will sound better in GT7 so I can bypass the standard car issue ( I dont like it but hey some people want their "favorite" car back in the game.

 

[MXH]

But then I don't want to loose cars , I can't drive in any other game. Once those cars (that may not interest you and your friends ,but may interest me and my friends) are out of GT they will not come back and a that part of virtual automotive history will be lost, unless you think T10,SlightlyMad or any other dev out there is interested in making ie. SUZUKI ALTO or 60's Japanese cars ... hell yeah.

Cry me a river. The series lost a great number of wonderful cars going from GT2 to GT3, never to be seen again in neither future Gran Turismo titles or elsewhere. But it felt like a natural step going into next-gen at the time and making the wise decision not to compromise the overall quality of the game. Do I miss them and want them back? I would be mad to say no. In retrospect though, I'm glad that they didn't go the ''standard'' route with GT3, because I do believe it made for a better game.

I sincerely wish they would've done the same with GT5 and onwards. I mean, GT5 was a fantastic ten out of ten experience certain moments, just to be degraded by poor PS2 ports (among other things) the next moment.

Clinging onto the standard cars is nothing more than the mindset of a compulsive hoarder.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

Cry me a river. The series lost a great number of wonderful cars going from GT2 to GT3

Big reason why GT2 is a much better game than GT3. I don't know about you, but I want the option to drive every car in existence. The more cars, the better. Graphics and physics can't go backwards, so why should the car count?

 

[BadDragonzxD999]

I understand some people has different opinions about those standard cars, which still those are a majority. Some hate them because it "wrecks" the beautifulness part of the game in terms of graphics. But there are people who really enjoy having those cars around and drive and even race around. You would be sad if you fell in love with a standard car from the current game and won't appear again in the next game. I currently am in an online championship since February and I drove Zonda LM and Ford GT LM through the season. Those are standards. But those were beasts around the circuits in every weather condition and never had a problem with their "visual" look during those races. Many of my friends drove standard GT cars. Some fell in love with their cars and didn't wanted to change for a Corvette C6 LM or something more premium.
I won't say standard should look as now. I also would like some get premium or atleast semi-premium treatment. Just delete the useless duplicates that shouldn't be in the game.
Otherwise, if we delete ALL standards, GT would be too boring and won't feel as varied as before, as it doesn't have the perfect premium car list.. Gone with GROUP C cars, gone with all Group A Rally Cars, gone with all JGTC cars.. unless they make them premium obviously, but takes too long time to do it.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

Big reason why GT2 is a much better game than GT3. I don't know about you, but I want the option to drive every car in existence. The more cars, the better. Graphics and physics can't go backwards, so why should the car count?

Because it's driving everything else backwards

 

[BadDragonzxD999]

Big reason why GT2 is a much better game than GT3. I don't know about you, but I want the option to drive every car in existence. The more cars, the better. Graphics and physics can't go backwards, so why should the car count?

Yh, we lost really great cars (Vector, Venturi, Lotus Elise GT1, etc), that should of make it till now. Atleast the car count increased considerably in GT4, returning with only some from GT2. It would be a great idea if they could make new "LM" cars like CR-X del sol LM or FTO LM (FTO STC is not that good, FTO LM was a blast in GT2 and GT3), S2000 LM( I won't consider the car we have now as LM. its a 300hp.. in GT3 it was a monster) etc. Some RM cars from GT5 look ok, but they kinda lost their magic from the race cars from previous Gran Turismo game..

 

[MidFieldMaven]

Because it's driving everything else backwards

How is having more cars driving anything else backwards?

 

[GranTurismo guy]

How is having more cars driving anything else backwards?

-_-

800 standards = graphics massively pulled back

also no proper interior view = gameplay pulled back

That is how.

 

[MXH]

Graphics and physics can't go backwards, so why should the car count?

Because it clearly has a negative impact on the overall quality of the game, resulting a cringeworthy and inconsistent experience - as if other poor design decision weren't enough.

GT would be too boring and won't feel as varied as before, as it doesn't have the perfect premium car list.. Gone with GROUP C cars, gone with all Group A Rally Cars, gone with all JGTC cars.. unless they make them premium obviously, but takes too long time to do it.

I understand the fact that modelling the cars are taking much longer time than before. However, if PD didn't rely on the PS2 ports to begin with, perhaps we would have a far more varied line-up.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

What people forget is that as it is there are 300 unique premium cars, the same as forza 5. Now having played forza 5 and most certainly not getting bored with the car selection, I've come to the conclusion that it is not possible to get bored with 400 premiums.

Delete the standards. And don't look back.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

Why delete perfectly good cars? Unless you use the interior or chase cams while driving, I don't see the point of your argument. I use bumper cam, so to me there is no difference between premium and standard.

You truly aren't a car enthusiast if you think it's okay to get rid of 50% of the cars in the game.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

Why delete perfectly good cars? .

Because they aren't

You truly aren't a car enthusiast if you think it's okay to get rid of 50% of the cars in the game.

I could say the same of you for wanting such terrible representations to remain, but that would be silly, so don't suggest it of me

 

[MidFieldMaven]

Terrible representations? Nothing is different between standard and premium cars except superficial graphics. If you care more about graphics than physics, which obviously you do, just say that.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

Is it too much to ask that a game company stops using playstation 2 content?

 

[MidFieldMaven]

I understand your frustration, but PD simply doesn't want to spend the time or money on turning every standard car into premium. Deleting standard cars isn't going to solve any problem, but it will create a new one, that being fewer cars to choose from.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

I understand your frustration, but PD simply doesn't want to spend the time or money on turning every standard car into premium. Deleting standard cars isn't going to solve any problem, but it will create a new one, that being fewer cars to choose from.

For most people the deletion would be a blessing. Yes I'd lose 800 cars, but I couldn't be any happier if they announce the deletion of standards.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

With the exception of GT3, each new GT has increased the car count. I don't think they want to decrease the car count ever again, at least I hope they don't.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

With the exception of GT3, each new GT has increased the car count. I don't think they want to decrease the car count ever again, at least I hope they don't.

But no other game comes close to 1200 cars. It's not like there won't be any cars without the standards

 

[Tenacious D]

For most people the (Standard) deletion would be a blessing.

I really think you can't say that with any assurance whatsoever, considering the poll around here indicates that fully two-thirds of those voting are getting GT7 and don't care about the Standards issue. I also think it's quite dodgy to insist that the small car and track count in GT3 is what people wanted. Just look at Forza 4 and 5. A bunch of fans have served notice that they aren't interested in a drastic cutting back of the cars and tracks in F5, and MS had better keep those F4 servers running. And they are. Forza 6 may go back to the usual F4 levels and all will be hunky dory and F4 can be killed off, but that's a pretty significant indication that given a choice, gamers almost always choose more.

The level of quality in Forza 4 is more consistent than in GT5 and 6, but hey, the people are speaking their minds with an anonymous mouse click when they can't be browbeat by those who oppose their wishes. Evidently quantity over quality in GT7 is okay. For many of us, it's a blessing.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

I really think you can't say that with any assurance whatsoever, considering the poll around here indicates that fully two-thirds of those voting are getting GT7 and don't care about the Standards issue.

Oh my god, not this again

The poll says most will still buy gt7 regardless, not that they want standards to be there.

I'm still going to buy gt7 but I don't want them there!

You also forgot about this poll

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ndard-cars-in-a-ps4-gran-turismo-game.307000/

Still buying gt7 does not= wanting standards to be included

 

[TayeezSA]

This is one thing some may not get in my posts. Standards have to go like I said, but, and I say BUT. PD should look at what standard cars are popular and chuck in the Premium basket. That way, everyone gets the cars they want and the standards can go. Out with the old, in with the new.

600

 

[SDSPOWER01]

This is one thing some may not get in my posts. Standards have to go like I said, but, and I say BUT. PD should look at what standard cars are popular and chuck in the Premium basket. That way, everyone gets the cars they want and the standards can go. Out with the old, in with the new.

600

First of all, the duplicates are the ones that need to go or if they dont atleast they all get a semi-premium improvement. Second of all, I was also thinking about the interior issue why not copy paste the duplicates and blur them out sorta like GRID has them.
(Its better then having a black cockpit all the time if ya ask me)
And finally, the magic number is 600 premiums!

 

[TayeezSA]

First of all, the duplicates are the ones that need to go or if they dont atleast they all get a semi-premium improvement. Second of all, I was also thinking about the interior issue why not copy paste the duplicates and blur them out sorta like GRID has them.
(Its better then having a black cockpit all the time if ya ask me)
And finally, the magic number is 600 premiums!

Also a few cars are actually pretty easy to premiumize . Case in point is the 90s Subaru Impreza WRX STI. There's only 2 interiors to model from that generation, once you have those interiors sorted then 70% of the modeling work is done. The remaining 30% is the exterior body shape which has a few minor differences over the years but the shape is pretty much the same. Boom, you can have all of the 90s Imprezas, same goes for the Evo!

PD needs to be wise about which cars to shoot the Premium Gun at, as they only have a few bullets to use.

I was pretty bummed to not see my lovely Subarus, Supra RZ, Yellowbird ,FTO etc not in premium fascia. Which if standards were to get chucked I'd be more bummed but it's for the better. Hence why I'm making it my business to get these cars known and have them get that Premium treatment.

Quick question, @Tenacious D , what are your 5 favourite Standard cars at the moment?

 

[1241Penguin]

First of all, the duplicates are the ones that need to go or if they dont atleast they all get a semi-premium improvement. Second of all, I was also thinking about the interior issue why not copy paste the duplicates and blur them out sorta like GRID has them.
(Its better then having a black cockpit all the time if ya ask me)
And finally, the magic number is 600 premiums!

Deleting fictional duplicates is what should happen.

The so called "duplicate" cars need to be reorganized. Take a look at the website for any car make. Do they ever list out in one menu all the variations of the cars they produce? No. There are sub-menus for that, and that is what GT should replicate.

For example:

Dealership > Honda > NSX > 1997 > Base Model | Type S | Type S-Zero

Dealership > Mitsubishi > Lancer Evolution VI > 1999 > GSR | RS

Dealership > Nissan > Skyline R34 > 1999 > Base Model | V-Spec

This will make the car list much more organized and not like the mess in GT6.

Of course, this notwithstanding, I would much rather have all standards be deleted regardless whether they're reorganized or not. It's amazing how some people can't grasp the fact that standard cars drags the quality of the game down.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

There are tons of standard cars that people actually want to drive. You want to take those cars away from those people just because it's your opinion that the quality of the game is being dragged down. It's my opinion that the quantity of unique cars increases the quality.

All we can do is wait and see if PD keeps the 1,000+ car count. Half of us hope so, and the other half doesn't.