Will Standard Cars be in GT7?Addressed 

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SlipZtrEm
You're absolutely right. You do have a habit of missing the point.

I've already pointed out the reasons Standards don't (and in some cases, never can) offer the same sorts of features Premiums provide on this very page. For someone who's so sure of a Livery Editor being in the next GT, and pinning your hopes on a widespread Racing Mod, you don't seem to see the issue.
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No, I'm sorry, I don't see your point.

Standard cars in GT2 had Race Mod options.

Standard cars in GT2 had liveries, also commonly known as skins. So no, I don't see your point, because I can't see how it's impossible for a Standard Ford GT to come in a street version, and a racing version. Because heck, that's what we got. For that matter, we have Premium wheels on Standard cars, go figure.

Oh, I'm not forcing it; PD will or won't include Standards regardless of what I, or even many, say. I just find it hilariously hypocritical that a company that trumpets its own skills with regards to Premiums - and has some of its more ardent fans do the same - won't rely on those for their game, but will instead rely on pathetically outdated and outclassed assets that will be up to a decade-and-a-half old, carried across two generations of systems. I of course mean "rely" in the sense of the majority of the car list. I'm sure this is where people will point out the handful of updated Standards in GT6, as somehow proof that the remaining hundreds will be updated to that (still-outdated) level of quality by the time GT7 rolls around. Because there were three whole years between GT's 5 and 6.
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Oh, and of course you're not being condescending towards those of us who want these cars in GT7, come close to calling us blind idiots for wanting them. Oh no, that wouldn't be modlike, now would it.

By the way, it's not hypocrisy. It's hypocritical to laud a game like GRID Autosport for its graphics, track and car models when they don't measure up to the quality of assets in an adventure game or shooter on PS3 and 360. Faceted car bodies, blurry interiors and engines that look like they're built by the Nerf division of Hasbro... those terrific graphics? And some here have lauded them. Which okay, that's fine, that's called freedom of choice. But if we want our Standard cars and tracks because we darn well WANT them and the variety they give Gran Turismo, we're the blind fanboys. That's hypocrisy. And browbeating us for wanting our freedom of choice and trying to silence us is akin to mob rule.
 
PD just lower the standard so much since GT4 .actualy they didn't lower the standard it's stayed the same for 10 years! PD was known for it pedantic attation for details and now (2010 - 2014 and keep going) its so bad. In 2004 PD set the standard , now it's standard cars.
 
TRLWNC7396
But the models aren't BAD. They just aren't "perfect" to SOME peoples standards. I'm sorry, but if it is good enough, why are you worried?

The real question here is, "Can YOU be happy?"
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It was great in Gran turismo 4 but with the PS3 it's gives the feel the game is not full ( I prefer to see GT7 with standart cars in 2-3 years and not in 8 -10 years without them). But a 10 year old model can't keep up.
 
Has this (tentatively) been answered already?

“I doubt that we’ll be throwing away the standard cars. Each car has its own fans. So I think we’ll hang on to the archive. In the meanwhile, some of those cars we may be able to make into Premium cars as they become available – but basically we’re more focussed on increasing the number of premium cars.”
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The inclusion of standard cars in GT7 is a double-edged sword really. I understand both sides. Some of my favorite cars in the game are standards- and I do not want to lose them. However PS2 models on a PS4- yeah. . . You can already see the difference between the standards and premiums now imagine what they'll look like on the PS4. The standard cars must be updated some or they will make GT7 look horrible. It's going to be a real balancing act to see what is done here. Do you get rid of 400+ cars or do you buckle down work hard and remodel them. If you do remodel the standards will this take time and resources away from making new innovations to the series? Either way there will have to be some sort of trade off. Improved graphics or improved gameplay. There's only 24 hours in a day and there is a budget that PD must keep as well the pressure to get GT7 on the shelves to help sell the PS4. Tough choices will have to be made. One thing is for sure- I would NOT want to be in Kaz's shoes right now.
 
Tenacious D
No, I'm sorry, I don't see your point.

Standard cars in GT2 had Race Mod options.

Standard cars in GT2 had liveries, also commonly known as skins. So no, I don't see your point, because I can't see how it's impossible for a Standard Ford GT to come in a street version, and a racing version. Because heck, that's what we got. For that matter, we have Premium wheels on Standard cars, go figure.


Oh, and of course you're not being condescending towards those of us who want these cars in GT7, come close to calling us blind idiots for wanting them. Oh no, that wouldn't be modlike, now would it.

By the way, it's not hypocrisy. It's hypocritical to laud a game like GRID Autosport for its graphics, track and car models when they don't measure up to the quality of assets in an adventure game or shooter on PS3 and 360. Faceted car bodies, blurry interiors and engines that look like they're built by the Nerf division of Hasbro... those terrific graphics? And some here have lauded them. Which okay, that's fine, that's called freedom of choice. But if we want our Standard cars and tracks because we darn well WANT them and the variety they give Gran Turismo, we're the blind fanboys. That's hypocrisy. And browbeating us for wanting our freedom of choice and trying to silence us is akin to mob rule.
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GT2 had Race Mod options and liveries...and the cars were all the same generation!!! The livery and the car were the same graphic quality. How do you apply a PS4 livery, with PS4 clarity and detail, to a PS2 grade car!?

And do you have links to the many people who have favourably compared GT graphics to GAS graphics? No you don't, because there aren't any. On PC maybe, but not PS3 vs. PS3. I think it's starting to get under your skin that the graphics in GAS aren't very good and yet people love the game, because gameplay. Those of us that play and enjoy it don't care that they aren't GT grade graphics, that there aren't 1000+ cars, we love it because it's excellent racing, end of story.

It's not "options" to want to include standard cars, that's ridiculous. As someone said above and I've mentioned before, there won't be an optional install of standard cars because it's like saying, "Yeah these cars suck but you don't have to look at them if you don't want to". Never happen. And yes, standard tracks should go too.
 
But , there is one thing that is Much MUCH worst then all of the standart cars and tracks :
The cardboard people !
I HATE THEM SO MUCH!!!
 
Le_Manuz
close the thread, question has been answered
current GT6 standard cars will be in GT7
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Please supply evidence to substantiate your post

I'm working on a reply soon. Some of us have Varsity assignments to hand in :grumpy:
 
What does standard cars even do for those who want them to stay? You can't even equip custom bodykits on them (except wings oh wow), hell you can't even put number plates on them like the premiums cars, and that's the next step to a livery editor. YET you tell many people they should shut up and be grateful for having them... GT7: Where quality doesn't exist, period!

I'm honestly sick of this mind set that we let should PD do whatever they want, GT is never going to improve in any areas if everyone just stayed silenced.
 
Hey , i think we need to create a poll and ask :
Does Classic Gran Turismo Series standart cars need to stay in the series? ( like the
Ford AU 2000 Falcon XR8 '00)
 
answered since Goodwood festival

"I doubt that we'll be throwing away the standard cars," said Yamauchi. "Each car has its own fans. So I think we'll hang on to the archive. In the meanwhile, some of those cars we may be able to make into Premium cars as they become available - but basically we're more focussed on increasing the number of premium cars."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...o-7-is-in-the-works-standard-cars-set-to-stay
 
Le_Manuz
answered since Goodwood festival

"I doubt that we'll be throwing away the standard cars," said Yamauchi. "Each car has its own fans. So I think we'll hang on to the archive. In the meanwhile, some of those cars we may be able to make into Premium cars as they become available - but basically we're more focussed on increasing the number of premium cars."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...o-7-is-in-the-works-standard-cars-set-to-stay
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Thats is Yamauchi's view (and i'm respecting this) but, i want to know what the fans think.
 
@Shahar

i'm responding to @TayeezSA

and this is the sub section called Kazunori Yamauchi Q&A

i guess your question to the fans has already been answered multiple times in a poll somewhere else in the forum
 
Tenacious D
No, I'm sorry, I don't see your point.

Standard cars in GT2 had Race Mod options.

Standard cars in GT2 had liveries, also commonly known as skins. So no, I don't see your point, because I can't see how it's impossible for a Standard Ford GT to come in a street version, and a racing version. Because heck, that's what we got. For that matter, we have Premium wheels on Standard cars, go figure.
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GT2's Race Mods were widespread because a car then took maybe a day to make. And it should be noted that Race Mods were, in many cases in the PS1 games, very different models to their non-(R) counterparts. The MR2 GT-S was a widebodied racer sans pop-ups. The Intrepid became a drag car.

Liveries - crucially, the idea of user-created ones, not just ones PD gives us - are a whole different issue. The modeling style of Standards is very different from Premiums, insomuch that the obsolete models use painted-on textures for things like doorhandles, shutlines, and the like. Those would require a much different approach with a livery editor than Premiums would. Or, to show it visually:

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Giving users the ability to apply high-res liveries to something like that would be pointless unless the entire model's texture quality was also bumped. And as I've already pointed out, they managed to improve a few dozen of the Standards in the three years between 5 and 6. Expecting all of them to be to the Yellowbird or '73 GT-R's quality in a year or two - in addition to your dreams of widespread Race Mods - is just as unreasonable as those expecting the entire car lineup to be Premium.

Oh, and of course you're not being condescending towards those of us who want these cars in GT7, come close to calling us blind idiots for wanting them. Oh no, that wouldn't be modlike, now would it.
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This persecution complex of yours is really getting out of hand.

By the way, it's not hypocrisy. It's hypocritical to laud a game like GRID Autosport for its graphics, track and car models when they don't measure up to the quality of assets in an adventure game or shooter on PS3 and 360. Faceted car bodies, blurry interiors and engines that look like they're built by the Nerf division of Hasbro... those terrific graphics? And some here have lauded them. Which okay, that's fine, that's called freedom of choice.
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Two or three things:

  • This isn't about GAS.
  • I don't own GAS, nor have I lauded it for these things. I haven't even seen many folks in that section do it.
  • It apparently isn't fine, or else you wouldn't bring it up unprovoked.

And browbeating us for wanting our freedom of choice and trying to silence us is akin to mob rule.
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Are you still able to post here? Yes? So, about that silencing bit...

I get that you're a big fan of martyrdom, but again, your persecution complex really gets in the way of any point you attempt to make. Nobody is trying to silence you from voicing your opinion on things; this is a discussion, one which has at least two sides, probably more. If you think people disagreeing with your views is akin to mob rule, I'm at a loss as to how you function in the real world.
 
Very unusual to see a moderator take sides in a debate.
Even more unusual to see a moderator attempt to psychoanalyse a forum member.

Surely using a private account if wishing to take part in a conversation is more appropriate.
Not a good look in my books.
 
Hyland
Cry me a river. The series lost a great number of wonderful cars going from GT2 to GT3, never to be seen again in neither future Gran Turismo titles or elsewhere. But it felt like a natural step going into next-gen at the time and making the wise decision not to compromise the overall quality of the game. Do I miss them and want them back? I would be mad to say no. In retrospect though, I'm glad that they didn't go the ''standard'' route with GT3, because I do believe it made for a better game.

I sincerely wish they would've done the same with GT5 and onwards. I mean, GT5 was a fantastic ten out of ten experience certain moments, just to be degraded by poor PS2 ports (among other things) the next moment.

Clinging onto the standard cars is nothing more than the mindset of a compulsive hoarder.
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According to revealed PDs plans for GT7 , looks like you will cry me a river ;)

Did it matter at the time when GT3 was out that it had 1/4 of cars or so ? Not really . I bought PS2 just for GT ( other game was GTA ) and I would probably buy PS4/GT7 if it would feature 400 premiums and nothing else .Simple.

But then , I don't really see a problem or any harm , if most of those 600 sub-standards gets upped to semi-premiums (like RUF's ...) , so I can still enjoy cars that are not present in any other game and probably never will.

Now , if you don't see that "magick" of GT are cars that can't be found in any other game then discussion is useless. Reality check tells me , It is harder to find a game where you can drive ie. SUZUKI ALTO or whatever Japanese car from 50s-90s , than latest McLaren P whatever . But yeah , some people like shinny things ,while others are more thrilled over actual content.
 
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Le_Manuz
answered since Goodwood festival

"I doubt that we'll be throwing away the standard cars," said Yamauchi. "Each car has its own fans. So I think we'll hang on to the archive. In the meanwhile, some of those cars we may be able to make into Premium cars as they become available - but basically we're more focussed on increasing the number of premium cars."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...o-7-is-in-the-works-standard-cars-set-to-stay
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I put it as a question, but otherwise included this quote ten posts above yours on this same page.

TRLWNC7396
This entire thing is about whether or not you will choose to be happy.

Enough said.
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And I can just as easily proclaim:

"This entire thing is about whether you want GT to improve or whether you want the whole series to fail and disappear from existence.

Enough said."
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Then again, most people would recognise such an attempt to hijack the nature of the discourse with a self-serving description.
 
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GregOr1971
Now , if you don't see that "magick" of GT are cars that can't be found in any other game then discussion is useless.
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When you hoard cars from the past decade, you'll obviously find cars that are only available in Gran Turismo. Most developers have however moved on from 2004.

Reality check tells me , It is harder to find a game where you can drive ie. SUZUKI ALTO or whatever Japanese car from 50s-90s , than latest McLaren P whatever.
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Reality check also tells me that you'll find the BMW E30 - the community's most requested car since GT4 - in almost every recent racing game, with the exception of Gran Turismo.
 
And i don't think that GT or PD is going anywhere. Now, if they don't get the gaming aspects correct......

Yeah, THAT will be a problem.

The cars are just the icing to make the cake more interesting.
 
Le_Manuz
answered since Goodwood festival

"I doubt that we'll be throwing away the standard cars," said Yamauchi. "Each car has its own fans. So I think we'll hang on to the archive. In the meanwhile, some of those cars we may be able to make into Premium cars as they become available - but basically we're more focussed on increasing the number of premium cars."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...o-7-is-in-the-works-standard-cars-set-to-stay
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Let's look at the interpretation of this. IT'S NOT CONFIRMED so not really answered.

It's a 60:40 chance that Standards will stay. It depends on Kaz really and the feels from the players.

Now onto what I was thinking. No bashing, this is just my opinion.

It doesn't make me anymore or any less of a "Car Enthusiast" because I'd prefer to not have Standards in Future GTs. PS2 models on a PS4 is just really off, 2004 was 10 years ago. I'd like the cars themselves to appear in GT as Premiums which is grand. This is another reason why the Suggestions sub-forum on here also appeared, to give PD attention as to what cars to turn Premium first on their huge chopping list of cars.

Another thing, saying that "I must be grateful that they're there" has a counter argument . I'm paying R799.00 (USD$80.00) for a game that is meant to satisfy me in many ways, if I'm not happy in anyway with my spending of hard earned cash then I shall let it be known. That's like going to Mickey D's, ordering a Big Mac, you pay for it and then you're given a measley small cheeseburger with only 1 magazine thick patty. "I should be grateful that I got a cheeseburger though, it's not the Big Mac I paid for or was represented to me but it's fine", nah son I'm paying, I want the best Krabby Patty, it's that simple. If the game was free then I'd understand where some are coming from.

I promise you all now that once Standards get a chance to move into GT7, people will start complaining again and even more complaints will come out of the decision. "They look so off" "I can only put a spoiler on them, I want moar bodykits" "No liveries for Standards? GT is lame now" "Why haven't all of them been touched up?"

As I've stated in the past, my favourite car in the whole wide world is a Standard car. The 90s Subaru Impreza WRX STI. It's not even a touched up Standard at that. I agree with @Tenacious D that some of our standards are cars we all love but I feel a bit bummed that my dear Scoob is not all that well represented as this is a very legendary car (Not just because I like but it actually is legendary.) The head and tailights look like stickers and the model itself is well, dated. Though I would like it in GT7, I'd love to see it as a Premium, hence why I'm making it my business to get it known in the Suggestions Sub Forum.

GAS can't be compared to GT because they're on totally different playing fields. Apples and Oranges, compare like with like. The most I'd compare GT to is Forza and soon Project CARS. I can congratulate GAS on its gameplay as it looks fun to play. Graphic wise it is good but there aren't many games which can directly compare to GT.

As far as liveries go the way I see it, I think the Premium cars were prepped at some point in their developmental process to accommodate liveries at a later date. The Standard untouched PS2 models were not designed for this. Heck even just repainting a Standard car looks a bit off unless if you're dealing with a touched up one. Now imagine how off it would look when you chuck on your liveries. The door handles, gaps, seams and creases are on most cars as @SlipZtrEm stated are painted on textures so if you paint over those then imagine how it would look.

@Tenacious D 's idea of being able to race mod all the cars seems daunting but after some thinking I think it may be better to do a simplified version of this for most Premium cars. Such as an interior strip and covering the stripped interior panels with either carpet or carbon fibre, passenger and backseat removal, some gauges, roll cage, switches and a different steering wheel. The exterior can stay the same but changes like a straight pipe exhaust or something like that.

Let's also understand this. There's a plethora of cars out there, not all the cars will be in one game. So some decisions have to be made, if some aren't up to the task then they'll have to sit down until they're readu for such.

Lastly, this whole jazz about "Standard Tracks". I didn't even know there was such a thing up until like recently. I actually thought the tracks looked good until I had a really good look at them. I'd have to say that Standard tracks can stay, mostly due to the reason that they don't stick out like a sore eye as do the Standard cars. I felt that I really had to examine and look for imperfections when it came to some of the tracks.

PD must not be spending all their time touching up cars that were from a decade ago, I need to see other aspects of the game being improved also. I've said this in previous posts but I'm saying it again. Time must be spent modeling the most popular/important number of Standards into Premium cars as well as putting in some new cars, not just supercars and racing cars but normal cars mostly because plenty of Standards are normal cars. This is better so at least other aspects of the game can also get attention plus the right balance of cars can be found.

Keep the number of cars to be 600+- premium cars with the most liked suggested cars implemented, and things will be better I rate. Trust
 
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