Standard cars do not drag the quality of the game down, and If you have all the premium cars and no standard cars in the game and the game play is terrible like the career mode in GT6 well to me it is not going to be a good game.
Will Standard Cars be in GT7?Addressed
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Standard cars do not drag the quality of the game down, and If you have all the premium cars and no standard cars in the game and the game play is terrible like the career mode in GT6 well to me it is not going to be a good game.
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- Johnnypenso
Correct, and GT3 had the second lowest car count of any game in the series...and oh yeah...it was the biggest selling game of the series and one of the biggest selling games of all time. Clearly there are reasons other than purely car count that entice people to buy a GT game...like gameplay for instance.
They will affect gameplay to some degree if you are forced to use them in career mode to complete your career. More importantly they drag down the visual quality and consistency of the game, as will standard tracks. If you don't have an XBone to play Forza or access to Project Cars, go to Gamersyde and download some Forza or Project Cars 60fps replays to see what things are going to look like in other games and in Gran Turismo when it hits the PS4. Imagine you're playing the game and it looks all next-gen and wonderful like in the replays and then you end up driving a non-upgraded standard on Deep Forest or Trial Mountain or Cote D'Azur (assuming they aren't upgraded). Youtube cannot show you how stunning things will really look and how bad standard cars will look alongside next generation assets.
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No one wants the cars to be removed. There are many standard cars that I and many others like.
What we don't want are the PS2 models. You can't say that standard cars don't drag the visual consistency and therefore quality of the game down. That is a fact.
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Nothing is different, unless you consider the inability to add body kits of any sort (as Standards are one-piece models, you can't swap a bumper in the same way you can a Premium), you don't mind the lack of lighting and wipers that the majority of Standards have, you're not concerned with the promise of real-time damage being anything close to accurate (as the smeary, morphed damage of Standards in GT5 shows), and - recently - you don't mind not having a number plate. Which raises an interesting point; unless PD plans on essentially making two livery editors, don't expect the Standards to be compatible with one either.
Standards, due to their extinct model design, are limiting gameplay options. This isn't solely about graphics, as you're trying to pretend; if it were, I'd be calling for improvements to the existing Premiums, but I'm not. It's about providing modern features, and more pressing for a supposed first-class studio that loves to draw attention to their modeling abilities, a consistent level of quality that shows they value that more than resorting to asset recycling solely to hit some big numbers.
This is all ignoring the fact only a handful of Standards were touched up for GT6, and that's after three years. Why people expect GT7 to have nothing but Standards at the Yellowbird level is beyond me.
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That's a toughie because I have about 400 of them.
I'll see if I can come up with five in the course of this reply.- Audi R8 LMS Team Playstation
- Audi TT-R Touring Car
- BMW McLaren F1 GTR
- Chevrolet Corvette C5R LM
- Dodge Viper GTS-R Team Oreca
- Ford Escort Rally Car
- Ford GT LM Spec II
- Formula GT
- Lamborghini NOMAD Diablo GT1
- Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II Touring Car
- Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car
- Nissan C-WEST RAZO SILVIA
- Nissan Fairlady Z Concept LM
- Nissan Raybrig NSX
- Opel Astra Touring Car
- Pagani Zonda LM Race Car
- Pescarolo Sport C60 Hybride
- BMW M3 GTR
- Callaway C12
- Caterham Seven Fireblade
- Hyunday Tiburon
- Jaguar XJ220
- Lotus Carlton
- Lotus Esprit Sport 350
- Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR GSR
- NISMO 270R
- Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Version R TwinTurbo 2by2 (I like the style of the body)
- Nissan 240SX
- Nissan 240SX (S14)
- Oullim Spirra
- RUF 3400S
- Toyota Supra MkIV
- Toyota Celica GT-FOUR RC
- Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car
- TVR T350C
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That's a toughie because I have about 400 of them.
Nah, can't do it, obviously. If you're going to say that many of them have Premium counterparts, I've been there. And as for your mention of our requested Standard to Premium conversions, I've been there too. I've basically been saying for about a year that PD needs to convert all the race cars, and those sports cars commonly converted into race cars, and work down from there.
- Audi R8 LMS Team Playstation
- Audi TT-R Touring Car
- BMW McLaren F1 GTR
- Chevrolet Corvette C5R LM
- Dodge Viper GTS-R Team Oreca
- Ford Escort Rally Car
- Ford GT LM Spec II
- Formula GT
- Lamborghini NOMAD Diablo GT1
- Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II Touring Car
- Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car
- Nissan C-WEST RAZO SILVIA
- Nissan Fairlady Z Concept LM
- Nissan Raybrig NSX
- Opel Astra Touring Car
- Pagani Zonda LM Race Car
- Pescarolo Sport C60 Hybride
- BMW M3 GTR
- Callaway C12
- Caterham Seven Fireblade
- Hyunday Tiburon
- Jaguar XJ220
- Lotus Carlton
- Lotus Esprit Sport 350
- Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR GSR
- NISMO 270R
- Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Version R TwinTurbo 2by2 (I like the style of the body)
- Nissan 240SX
- Nissan 240SX (S14)
- Oullim Spirra
- RUF 3400S
- Toyota Supra MkIV
- Toyota Celica GT-FOUR RC
- Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car
- TVR T350C
They are nice cars but answer the question properly. And no I wasn't going to say that they have Premium counterparts. In a case of sacrifice what would you choose then?
LOL though
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By the way, let me put some more perspective.
The time PD would be spending touching-up Standards can be used to bring in more Premiums. In some cases I'm thinking that some cars would have to be modeled from scratch.
Some will say that their fav car of which is a standard will be excluded (My dear GC8 Impreza) but in all honesty, I wouldn't like justice brought to my fav car in the nature of a standard form from the PS2 era.
The other day I did up a stanced Legacy B4 RSK. It looked cool and all but it put me off that my colours, wheels, brakes and drop didn't fit that well in the car's standard form. It just looked off also considering that the standard model is a 1 piece model and the paint didn't really mesh that well. Did I mention that the tailights look as if they're stickers?
You can't have such things in a AAA title for the PS4. The standard tracks ordeal isn't too bad and that I can let it slide because I'm going too fast to look at the scenery, unless in Photomode.
The time PD would be spending touching-up Standards can be used to bring in more Premiums. In some cases I'm thinking that some cars would have to be modeled from scratch.
Some will say that their fav car of which is a standard will be excluded (My dear GC8 Impreza) but in all honesty, I wouldn't like justice brought to my fav car in the nature of a standard form from the PS2 era.
The other day I did up a stanced Legacy B4 RSK. It looked cool and all but it put me off that my colours, wheels, brakes and drop didn't fit that well in the car's standard form. It just looked off also considering that the standard model is a 1 piece model and the paint didn't really mesh that well. Did I mention that the tailights look as if they're stickers?
You can't have such things in a AAA title for the PS4. The standard tracks ordeal isn't too bad and that I can let it slide because I'm going too fast to look at the scenery, unless in Photomode.
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Not very many. And sorry, I can't let go of something I (edit) have. Why don't you tell me I can only watch five movies, and see what kind of response you get.
It's amazing how many people can't grasp the fact that if we have Standard cars - and tracks, mind you - in our games, it shouldn't affect the quality of your game whatsoever. This is getting to the point that people are upset that rap and metal music is listened to on this planet. I hate those styles myself, but it doesn't have squat to do with what's on my playlist.
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I don't know about you, but if I saw this in a game made by a once-well acclaimed developer:
..."quality" would be the last word to come into mind. The fact that a well received developer such as PD would allow these god-awful looking models to be in their signature title should be an embarrassment to them to say the least.
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- Johnnypenso
So in GT7 you can complete the entire career mode and all events in the game without ever driving a standard or seeing one on the track, and never have to drive on a standard, non-touched up track? Where did you read this?
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One of the most importamt thing we need to know .
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I was going to say that there's "no way" PD will still have standard cars in GT7, but then I recall thinking that there's "no way" PD would put standard cars in GT6.
Polyphony Digital should answer this question as a matter of course--for marketing reasons. And in that regard, no news is bad news.
Polyphony Digital should answer this question as a matter of course--for marketing reasons. And in that regard, no news is bad news.
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Not to mention time and resources to rebuild all of them. Even if it ISN'T from the ground up.
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I didn't read that anywhere. I also didn't read anywhere that the Standard cars - or tracks for that matter - would be optional installs or downloads. It's just the directions these threads go and I run with them. Maybe you skipped too much.
I will have to reiterate though that if Standard cars - and tracks I'd presume - are so offensive to you, maybe GA and P CARS are the games you should play.
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If you don't like the graphics of standard cars so much that you'd rather all those cars disappear entirely, you are not a car enthusiast and you really need to go play another racing game. You don't deserve to drive any standard cars.
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One could easily flip that on it's head: how much of a car enthusiast are you, really, if you're not bothered by simplified representations of cars you apparently like so much? I love the clown-shoe BMW M Coupe, but GT's version is so simplified I can't appreciate the details. Or any of the interior.
Mind you, both stances are equally ridiculous; resorting to the "you're not a real car enthusiast" approach is just a matter of forcing your personal opinions on others as some sort of standard, some line in the sand. I shouldn't be surprised, though; I already pointed out how Standards are lagging behind in numerous ways other than simply graphically, but you're still going on about just that.
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Mind blown. I can not believe we're going THIS far with standard cars. *Sighs*
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And this is almost obvious enough that it shouldn't need to be mentioned: that one aspect does not make up the entirety of the game experience.
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One could also easily be missing the point that if people only want good looking cars, maybe they're more graphics enthusiasts than car enthusiasts.
And I suppose that people insisting that NO Standards be in any version of GT7 aren't forcing their personal opinions on others as some sort of standard. Or insisting that the Standard cars are all ugly.
Honestly, I can't fathom why someone would be offended at even seeing a Standard car online. Or that someone would be upset at me for daring to have hundreds, gasp, of those cars in my garage. And even want to race them! The horror.
It's all well and good that some of you want to have a "pure" Gran Turismo with only the most sublime of car models - racing around on oogly Standard tracks, I suppose. But it's the height of arrogance, really, to insist that I shouldn't be able to have them because it upsets you, somehow, that I would... have them! And race them! And shoot pics of them!Sorry Standard haters, but I just can't sympathize with such an extreme mentality.
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The vast majority of people have simply said they don't want old assets in a new game. They want a next gen gaming experience in a next gen game, they don't want to have to navigate around standard pylons to get where they're going so to speak. It's quite convenient to label them "standard haters" and say people are "offended" (don't recall anyone saying they were offended that's entirely your creation IMO) and I'm sure it makes you look like some kind of heroic flag bearer for the standard bandwagon but of course it's altogether inaccurate. We all loved the standards...when they were in the game and generation of console the belong to. They don't belong on the next-gem console which is why you don't see old assets in any other game on the PS4 and likely never will outside of some kind of retro game.One could also easily be missing the point that if people only want good looking cars, maybe they're more graphics enthusiasts than car enthusiasts.
And I suppose that people insisting that NO Standards be in any version of GT7 aren't forcing their personal opinions on others as some sort of standard. Or insisting that the Standard cars are all ugly.
Honestly, I can't fathom why someone would be offended at even seeing a Standard car online. Or that someone would be upset at me for daring to have hundreds, gasp, of those cars in my garage. And even want to race them! The horror.
Sorry Standard haters, but I just can't sympathize with such an extreme mentality.
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"Offended" may not be stated, but when someone says, "I will not stand for......" (insert statement), that sounds offended to me.
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The vast majority of who? Hardcore fans here who also hate the sounds? I would remind you of a couple of things.
One, there are darn few sources outside of boards like these and NeoGAF which indicate any real negative feelings about the Standard cars. I've had trouble finding articles stating that, or really, many of the gripes people post endlessly about here. Maybe they're polite, or the interviewer is just so overcome by Kaz's presence that they can't bring themself to say anything bad about Gran Turismo and its maker.
I'm thinking this is a stretch.Two, I seem to recall that you're Mr Options. So, in the matter of Standard cars, this is the one case in which even having the option of installing the Standard cars on our very own PS4s is so offensive to you there's no way you'd support it?
And a bonus mention: I suppose ugly Standard tracks are okay.
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You're absolutely right. You do have a habit of missing the point.
I've already pointed out the reasons Standards don't (and in some cases, never can) offer the same sorts of features Premiums provide on this very page. For someone who's so sure of a Livery Editor being in the next GT, and pinning your hopes on a widespread Racing Mod, you don't seem to see the issue.
Oh, I'm not forcing it; PD will or won't include Standards regardless of what I, or even many, say. I just find it hilariously hypocritical that a company that trumpets its own skills with regards to Premiums - and has some of its more ardent fans do the same - won't rely on those for their game, but will instead rely on pathetically outdated and outclassed assets that will be up to a decade-and-a-half old, carried across two generations of systems. I of course mean "rely" in the sense of the majority of the car list. I'm sure this is where people will point out the handful of updated Standards in GT6, as somehow proof that the remaining hundreds will be updated to that (still-outdated) level of quality by the time GT7 rolls around. Because there were three whole years between GT's 5 and 6.
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For a start I highly doubt PD would be giving us such an option because that would be acknowledging how most people won't be happy with standard cars. It's also like saying "we know these cars look like crap, so do you want them anyway?"; can you imagine that such a high key developer would say that? Yeah, I don't think so.
Options? I don't think we should need an option to "remove all eyesores" from the game. That should be a given, at least for anyone who has expectations.
