Will you buy GT6 based on this demo?

[Tornado]

Physics are a little detail?


It's also amusing that you word your posts in such an obtuse way, then get defensive when people "have a hard time grasping the ideas" therein.

 

[mister dog]

The way the poll is going, on day one PD could sell a fancy GT6 box with a cd in it that displays "you have been robbed, thanks for your business" on your tv and 30% of this forum will still go out and buy it + it would sell a couple of million copies across the globe before the word get's out

Hint Kaz?

 

[Bigbazz]

I'l still buy it because I know that my issues aside it will be an overall great game that will be updated and supported for the long haul, there are big issues I was hoping they would have fixed by GT6, but they have left me waiting.

But altogether it isn't a big enough of a deal for me to not buy the game. But some opinions

1. Physics, don't seem a massive leap to me, it feels like a few minor tweaks/updates. a patch.
2. Graphics aren't a big leap, infact in some areas it looks worse (some better) and the performance is worse
3. Sounds seem to be better but are still nothing to celebrate by any stretch
4. Controls are still lacking in that the clutch/gearbox system does not work properly, the brakes are still overly sensitive and there is no deadzone setting, combined to create a nasty brake rubbing issue with some hardware, especially if you have well used pedals.
5. AI is still slow, too slow.


But still, overall it is still going to be an awesome game. I think the standards expected are very high thanks to what is available on the PC (physics/gameplay wise), it delivers for a reasonable price an experience that is still unrivaled on the console and an overall game that is still worth every penny.

 

[TomBrady]

+1, same thinkings here.

And unfortunately I'm starting to feel all the hate tide again around... maybe it's time to keep out from the forums a bit. A shame, people really love to focus on the bad stuff ONLY.

That's why I usually avoid forums entirely. It's pathetic how much negativity you will find in forums in general. I guess that's what a forum is, a place for people to whine, but even when someone tries to make a positive thread, the negativity creeps in and overall, forums are almost never an enjoyable experience. Most of the time you're just shaking your head at the stupid comments people make, and occasionally dealing with mods on a power trip. I'm only on GTP for league racing.

 

[Exorcet]

People are judging the demo by the little things they've seen. Little details such as graphics, sounds, physics and they even go as far as saying that the game offers very little when it's just nothing more than a tiny demo.

I'd say that physics are 50% of the game, at least. If they don't change, then there is no way I'll will ever buy GT6. I'm not sure if I'd use it much even if it was a free gift.

And again, a demo is meant to be a showcase. We're supposed to have opinions on the final game from the demo. That said, we obviously can't say much about things not featured.

What I meant to say was that regarding the things we've seen in the demo, I don't think the final version will change that much, however, things we've not seen such as the final car list, the customization that Kazunori talked about and other features. That's what will bring the biggest changes to the game.

Those may not be the highest priorities on everyones' lists.


EDIT: one other thing might be interpretation of the thread

I see it as "will you buy GT6 if it's like the demo?", not "is the demo enough to make your final decision?".

 

[mister dog]

That's why I usually avoid forums entirely. It's pathetic how much negativity you will find in forums in general. I guess that's what a forum is, a place for people to whine, but even when someone tries to make a positive thread, the negativity creeps in and overall, forums are almost never an enjoyable experience. Most of the time you're just shaking your head at the stupid comments people make, and occasionally dealing with mods on a power trip. I'm only on GTP for league racing.

A forum is where people discuss pro's and cons (not to whine). If one would want to read strictly positive comments you need a fanpage.

 

[Mr Evil]

sure . but after 1 month ..

 

[Samus]

It's still a maybe, just as it was before the demo. I still need to know a lot more about the actual game. The bit that lacked so much in GT5.

 

[HuskyGT]

Physics are a little detail?


It's also amusing that you word your posts in such an obtuse way, then get defensive when people "have a hard time grasping the ideas" therein.

English is not my first language. I do my best to type my ideas. It's not an excuse, I now, yet I find it highly frustrating how cynical people reply to my posts. Example: You, that Terronium-whatever guy and the others who just decide to follow for pure amusement.

I think there are better ways to respond.

 

[Coiler]

I don't know if I played a different demo, but I'm totally sold to the new physics and lightning model. Done todays seasonal at lemans and it would be so much better with the new physics!

 

[TheMokafan]

I'm gonna buy it because I didn't expect much out of GT6. Physics seem like an improvement to me, but I really can't tell because sports hards and controllers don't mix. Graphics are improved, albeit slightly, and I think the game is gonna be enjoyable for me.

 

[eight6er]

The thread is will you buy the game based on the demo, I can see everything I want to know about GT6 in this demo, the only thing that is not in this demo, that will influence my decision on buying the game is possibly the sounds, but that's not definite and whether it will feature one or two certain cars I'm interested in. The demo shows me 95% of the things that are important to me. It could have all the cars and tracks in the world, but I still won't buy GT6 if nothing improves from this demo.

 

[omgsean1]

Sorry I mistake click "No" on poll, but I already pre-order GT6 before I play this demo because I was care about cars more than other feature.

 

[Tornado]

English is not my first language. I do my best to type my ideas. It's not an excuse, I now, yet I find it highly frustrating how cynical people reply to my posts. Example: You, that Terronium-whatever guy and the others who just decide to follow for pure amusement.

I think there are better ways to respond.

What was the better way to respond to a post that was basically "The GT games are the best and always will be; so I can't believe anyone would judge their purchase of the next one based on the demo even though I don't think the final game will be much different."? I didn't even touch the first part in my initial response. I merely pointed out that you can't criticize people for not being sold on the final game based on the demo given, then in the same sentence turn around and justify why they are well within their right to do so because you don't think the final release will be different.

If someone cares largely about the physics, and doesn't find the demo's too impressive (I'd have to guess it would be because of the tire model in the demo), where is the reasoning that the demo meant to show those physics (since it is part of GT Academy) can't be a factor in whether they will buy the final game? If someone cares largely about the supposed improvement in graphics over GT5, and they don't see those in the demo (and it's clear that some people aren't), why can't that be a factor in whether or not they will buy the final game? If someone cares about the sounds of the demo, and doesn't buy the "placeholder sounds" bit being thrown around, why can't even that be a factor in whether or not they decide to purchase the game based on the demo?
You're telling people to overlook pretty much everything contained in the demo (graphics, sounds and even physics) when determining their purchase of the final game because of what extra stuff might be there in the final game when what might be there may very well not be their concern in the first place. What is even the point of the demo then?

 

[Earth]

No; As much fun as hotlapping is (with the updated graphics and physics), if you see the AI in this demo, and the fact that races seem to consist of the chase the rabbit formula again, this game is not worth the 60 bucks clear and simple.

You mean chase the tortoise

I know people are downplaying the AI as placeholders. Heres the problem: A-spec in GT6 is going to be completely useless again without good AI. The fact they're still going along with these terrible, start dead last work your way to the front race formulas tells me they have no interest or no idea how to properly build a good race.

The damage model is obviously still so bad they're unwilling to show it.

Its a last gen game so im willing to give it a pass in some areas regarding graphics, but I cant give the sometimes sloppy look a pass, especially considering PS2/GT4 assets are still present (Grand Valley).

I know I've mentioned several faults but its not like all those have to be improved greatly in order for me to buy. If in this demo they made the AI challenging, they would get my attention. If the damage was improved, it would get my attention. Crash physics. Sound.

Its only real big improvement is in physics, and I liked GT5's physics despite the flaws, so that does little for me going forward.

At this point I can only hope Gamescon or TGS proves everything we've seen so far is just a placeholder. I have a hard time believing after 3 years this is all they have to show for it.

 

[grashopper]

Sorry I mistake click "No" on poll, but I already pre-order GT6 before I play this demo because I was care about cars more than other feature.

Haha. Now that you've accidentally said no Kaz will come and smack it out of your hand when you go to pick up your pre-order.

 

[Terronium-12]

You don't really get it, do you? Let me rephrase it so you can understand what I'm trying to say, because it's obvious some people have a hard time grasping the ideas of my posts:

I don't have a hard time grasping your ideas at all, especially when your ideas are predicated on opinion being swayed as fact.

The Demo had very little to show, regarding features. People are judging the demo by the little things they've seen. Little details such as graphics, sounds, physics and they even go as far as saying that the game offers very little when it's just nothing more than a tiny demo.

What are they supposed to use to judge what the game might be at this juncture?

What I meant to say was that regarding the things we've seen in the demo, I don't think the final version will change that much, however, things we've not seen such as the final car list, the customization that Kazunori talked about and other features. That's what will bring the biggest changes to the game.

So which is it, the game won't change much with the final release or some people shouldn't judge the game based on what's currently there by way of what's actually important?

It can't be both.

And drop the attitude.

My attitude is fine the way it is.

You don't gain respect by being so cynical. I don't care who you are.

I could say the same thing to you.

 

[pritchardqs]

I voted yes, but I'll wait to buy the game for a month or so after release to see if a lot more people's PS3's overheat and die from playing the game.

Plus my decision will also be based on the type/amount of cars and tracks available in the game.

 

[mister dog]

You mean chase the tortoise

I know people are downplaying the AI as placeholders. Heres the problem: A-spec in GT6 is going to be completely useless again without good AI. The fact they're still going along with these terrible, start dead last work your way to the front race formulas tells me they have no interest or no idea how to properly build a good race.

Problem is by the time you get past all the other bots the turtoise is already near the finish line

There's 2 options here; the optimist says they did it this way for the demo's sake and they have yet to show the true colours of the exciting new race formula and the challenging new AI. The pessimist on the other hand plays this demo, and thinks they had 0% interest in improving any of it again...

 

[FernandoAchonso]

Even tho I think GT6 demo is what GT5 should have been, I will buy the game, as GT still is the best game series for me. It was always the number of cars that kept me interested in since GT1.
On the other hand, it is a true thing that I and I believe all of us want some big improvements, AI, standard cars and sound for instance, but these things are not going to happen on PS3, in GT6. I never hoped for those changes so if they will be lacking, no problem for me.
However, I expect very very big step ahead when the game(GT7 probobly) is released on PS4, but until then I am going to enjoy the new GT6.

 

[HuskyGT]

What was the better way to respond to a post that was basically "The GT games are the best and always will be; so I can't believe anyone would judge their purchase of the next one based on the demo even though I don't think the final game will be much different."? I didn't even touch the first part in my initial response. I merely pointed out that you can't criticize people for not being sold on the final game based on the demo given, then in the same sentence turn around and justify why they are well within their right to do so because you don't think the final release will be different.

If someone cares largely about the physics, and doesn't find the demo's too impressive (I'd have to guess it would be because of the tire model in the demo), where is the reasoning that the demo meant to show those physics (since it is part of GT Academy) can't be a factor in whether they will buy the final game? If someone cares largely about the supposed improvement in graphics over GT5, and they don't see those in the demo (and it's clear that some people aren't), why can't that be a factor in whether or not they will buy the final game? If someone cares about the sounds of the demo, and doesn't buy the "placeholder sounds" bit being thrown around, why can't even that be a factor in whether or not they decide to purchase the game based on the demo?
You're telling people to overlook pretty much everything contained in the demo (graphics, sounds and even physics) when determining their purchase of the final game because of what extra stuff might be there in the final game when what might be there may very well not be their concern in the first place. What is even the point of the demo then?

It is what I'm trying to say, but not in the way you put it. I'm just trying to say that people are being over critical with the demo.

The vast majority agrees that the physics are really good. That right there is the selling point for most.

The sounds haven't been changed, yet Kazunori said they would work on it and these are only used to fill in the space. So there is much to be expected from the final release.

I can see that the graphics are being an issue for some people and it's understandable in some cases. But the game still looks great for being in a current gen console.

So other than that, I find it very extreme that people are saying they won't buy the final game if we don't even know about the improvements that might be made, plus we haven't seen all the content that the final game will have to offer.

 

[dice1998]

I can't believe people are judging GT6 so negatively based on this little demo. I don't think it will change that much in the release version

Oh hi, GT5 Prologue would like a word with you. Too much game to be a demo?

GT5 Prologue demo would like a word with you, in that case.

 

[Streeto]

Not based on the demo, but I'm still gonna buy it.

The demo contains about 2% of actual game content.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Sorry, but that's my opinion, whether you think it's valid or not. Your expectations are too high for a current gen game, and that I think it's the problem.

My expectations are not too high. What's at the top of my list is a campaign mode that's actually fun, long, and well thought out, an online system that works like GT5P, and better customization. I don't think that's asking for much.

 

[mister dog]

My expectations are not too high. What's at the top of my list is a campaign mode that's actually fun, long, and well thought out, an online system that works like GT5P, and better customization. I don't think that's asking for much.

Indeed T10 did a great job with all of that on current gen.

 

[Earth]

Problem is by the time you get past all the other bots the turtoise is already near the finish line

There's 2 options here; the optimist says they did it this way for the demo's sake and they have yet to show the true colours of the exciting new race formula and the challenging new AI. The pessimist on the other hand plays this demo, and thinks they had 0% interest in improving any of it again...

OK, I can understand the optimist's position, to a point. The problem is we're 7 years from PS3's release, and 3 years from GT5's release. If they dont have better sounds, damage, crash physics, and AI by now you have to wonder if it will ever happen.

Could many better aspects of the game appear at Gamescon or TGS, or in the final game itself? Maybe. But Im worried about why not yet, because again, they've had 3 years since GT5. Most game companies get 2 years to release new titles, or even just 1 year.

Im not asking for the world. Im just tired of overlooking massive flaws in GT that other racing games would get absolutely roasted for. I was one of the biggest Polyphony Digital apologists leading up to GT5, but my trust in them was not rewarded.

 

[Sertsa]

I haven't decided, and that's the first time I've not been absolutely certain I'm going to buy a new GT game. For the demo I like the improved physics and graphics, but I would have liked to have some indication that PD was working on improving the AI, sound and general gameplay, but instead I got a feeling a meeting went something like:

"So, we have the physics improved. Nice job. Now, we can work on the AI. How's our progress there?"
"Umm, oh, that. Yeah, we got kind of distracted and wanted to see if we could put in a bird."
"Oooohhhhh, birds!"

 

[grashopper]

I haven't decided, and that's the first time I've not been absolutely certain I'm going to buy a new GT game. For the demo I like the improved physics and graphics, but I would have liked to have some indication that PD was working on improving the AI, sound and general gameplay, but instead I got a feeling a meeting went something like:

"So, we have the physics improved. Nice job. Now, we can work on the AI. How's our progress there?"
"Umm, oh, that. Yeah, we got kind of distracted and wanted to see if we could put in a bird."
"Oooohhhhh, birds!"

I like the birds. That was actually one of the things I wanted coming into the game. Thought that and jets far overhead would help these places seem less lifeless and dead.

 

[boomee]

I will purchase it but I think my expectations are not the same as most people just expected it to be an improved version of GT5 like the second one on a console usually is. I am not worried about it coming on PS3 that works for me I dont buy new consoles until they have been out about 2 years all the bugs and complaints have worked there way out and usually by then there are good discounts or bundles around Christmas time. I think the new console thing is now and has always been the hype train mentality I just dont think spending 4 to 500 dollars on a console is good use of my money. Just my 2 cents. "I think people are all about the new and flashy car down the street versus upgrading the perfectly good sports car that they have if you get the analogy"

 

[AudiMan2011]

I voted "maybe" as the demo alone showcases what is regarded as still a teaser for the majority of content.

Core gameplay and physics are heading in a positive direction and the "intro" races shouldn't really be there, but with the graphical touch-ups, new suspension and tyre models and some intriguing new cars, I'll likely buy the game.

All I want to do is drive the best cars in the world on the best tracks in the world. Is that too much to ask?