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-> And most likey, I'd rather drive a Subaru 360 than any cars that are featured in either Grid, GTR2, and NFS.
On a racetrack?
Wouldn't you rather it be the 'Real Racing Simulator'?
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On a racetrack?
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Against the right competition and on the right circuit it can be just as fun as racing LMP cars.
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-> Its more fun than playing most racing sims. It really doesn't matter if the game re-creates reality, its the nature of having fun on a simulator, not killing fun by being serious all the time.
^ As what homeforsummer said, as long its against on a proper competition with a proper race track/road course.On a racetrack?
-> Its more fun than playing most racing sims. It really doesn't matter if the game re-creates reality, its the nature of having fun on a simulator, not killing fun by being serious all the time.
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It's just a matter of opinion, really, I can see why people like using the lower powered cars. I race motocross in real life, and a "factory" race bike is what everyone dreams of someday riding, so I'm kind of just a sucker for top of the line racing hardware. That said, sometimes if the track conditions are bad, it's almost more fun to hop on a low-powered kids bike and bounce off the rev limiter and push the suckers to their absolute limit. Sometimes when you're playing a game like gt though, you don't feel the same real life intensity of pushing the lower powered stuff to the limit, and after jumping out of say a LMP car, it feels like you reach the limit of the slower cars' performance a little too easily. Whatever though, as long as PD doesn't get rid of my beloved R390 I'll be happy.
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I'd agree that the lower powered vehicles aren't particularly interesting to time trial with, but it's often been mentioned that one of the best online series we've had here in recent times was the PP500 Suzuki Swift Cup organised by Ardius. Although the cars weren't that quick, the competition was closer and cleaner than any other online racing I've done before or since. You'll find some of the comments on it in the first few pages in this thread (though it's now mainly showing the last event Ardius organised, a PP750 Viper race).
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"I'd agree that the lower powered vehicles aren't particularly interesting to time trial with"
This is why i think the game would be better with more sporty/race cars, because the opponent AI is pretty bad in game and you're essentially running a time trial for every race.
This is why i think the game would be better with more sporty/race cars, because the opponent AI is pretty bad in game and you're essentially running a time trial for every race.
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Racing cars are fun, but stock cars are more fun.
They are more demanding to drive, to cope with, they are not perfect and they often need more atttention in manouvering. Especialy on low-grip tyres, of N and S equivalent.
So, stock cars are the most important aspect of Gran Turismo and one of the series' greatest achivements.
All other racing games are over-saturated with colorful-aerodynamic-spoiler beasts and losing any stock car in favour of it's racing counterpart shouldn't be a option for GT series whatsoever.
Oh, and I wouldn't agree that tiime-trialing with low-powered cars is less fun - it is 10X more challenging than race-car time-trialing.
With race-car everybody is just pushing the car to insane manouvering (for example see any Daytona Road Top10 replay with F12007, or watch any of GT4 replay with Minolta Toyota on Nurburgring), while stock cars time-trialing is a true showcase of skill and driving competence (GT:HD show-off with Cappucino on Eiger Nordwand is the prime example, while any Top10 replay of Jaguar XK on Suzuka also speaks for itself).
Race cars are (ch)easy
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They are more demanding to drive, to cope with, they are not perfect and they often need more atttention in manouvering. Especialy on low-grip tyres, of N and S equivalent.
So, stock cars are the most important aspect of Gran Turismo and one of the series' greatest achivements.
All other racing games are over-saturated with colorful-aerodynamic-spoiler beasts and losing any stock car in favour of it's racing counterpart shouldn't be a option for GT series whatsoever.
Oh, and I wouldn't agree that tiime-trialing with low-powered cars is less fun - it is 10X more challenging than race-car time-trialing.
With race-car everybody is just pushing the car to insane manouvering (for example see any Daytona Road Top10 replay with F12007, or watch any of GT4 replay with Minolta Toyota on Nurburgring), while stock cars time-trialing is a true showcase of skill and driving competence (GT:HD show-off with Cappucino on Eiger Nordwand is the prime example, while any Top10 replay of Jaguar XK on Suzuka also speaks for itself).
Race cars are (ch)easy
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For me, playing the game is all about having fun. Driving around slow (comparatively) and not getting a good sense of speed feels really dumb when I could be driving something faster, but that's just me. And since the tunning in the game allows you to get rid of a car's weak points, like excess body roll, or a weak engine, I hardly ever use a totally stock car. However, I will agree that the representation of the stock cars and their meager performance is a feather in PD's cap. BTW, does anybody know if there's a way to adjust the difficulty in GT mode?
It's also cool to be able to drive the last Le Mans winning car ect.
It's also cool to be able to drive the last Le Mans winning car ect.
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The AI isn't that great, true, but it's better than it was in GT4 now, and with online racing too it's easy to get great racing in even low powered cars 👍
It depends how low powered the cars are I guess! I drove a Daihatsu Midget 'II on the 'Ring in a race, and apart from it taking 25 minutes for two laps or something huge, it wasn't especially challenging to corner as everything was virtually flat out! It'd probably be more entertaining in the real car where cornering on such skinny tyres at 99% of the car's capability would scare you senseless...
But I do agree that not all the slower cars are boring to TT - as a rule I do tend to mostly drive with cars less than about 170bhp - and often much less.
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But it does require a completely different approach to maintaining speeds through the turns, as a decrease in a car that low powered takes time to recover.
I'll second that, "Again?"
Has this been seen, and verified, before?
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more Racecars are necessary.
Touring cars, Rally cars, F1 cars, and sports racing cars from different eras.
Touring cars, Rally cars, F1 cars, and sports racing cars from different eras.
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^ You mean like GRID, GTR2, and Live For Speed? Thanks, but no thanks. I would bore myself to death.
Why is that there? Exactly half of Live for Speed's (current) car selection consists of roadcars, and many people who play the game do so just as they would Gran Turismo -- not only racing production cars around a track, but also drifting, cruising for fun, goofing around with the physics, causing massive pile-ups by crashing into unsuspecting AI, etc...there's nothing boring or "racecars only" about it.
You're free to dislike LFS, but your statement implies you've never tried it, or even looked at it.
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PD can end this debate if they bring back "racing mods" like they had waaaay back in GT2. That way, people can max out the performance of the stock based cars, then add race car liveries and bodies as well as downforce.
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I think I agree with that. I've been wondering if they were gonna implement a color-flop or fixed pallette. if they are going to do race mods, again, I want my fleet colours/livery. just make sure these guys don't swipe a NASCAR scheme again without permission
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^ You mean like GRID, GTR2, and Live For Speed? Thanks, but no thanks. I would bore myself to death.
Grid is a bad comparison. But GTR2 is not. I am serious about my driving in real life as i do autocross and visit Road Atlanta for track days. 1:50 in my sti for the win.
Anyways. Fun is something than can be had with race cars as well. I don't want GT to be a game like F1 or Nascar 08 where it is one type of car.
I want to experience all different types of race cars. Whether V8Supercars or F3 machines. If you feel different than you don't get what GT is about. It is a coming of everything street/track. I am a fan of the race and street portion. Just cause you dont understand race cars, dont expect them not to be included.
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Hyst your right who the hell wants to trundle round a track designed for performance cars and the likes in a vehicle barely capable of 100mph.
Flat out on virtualy every corner. Lap times taking days not minutes.
Even if you are unfortunate to own one of these cars in real life i cant see how other than a few novelty laps you'd keep returning to drive these pointless cars. These vehicles are designed for everything but performance and driving pleasure. If KK included the school run and trips to the supermaket in one of the licence tests well so be it there maybe a reason.
Flat out on virtualy every corner. Lap times taking days not minutes.
Even if you are unfortunate to own one of these cars in real life i cant see how other than a few novelty laps you'd keep returning to drive these pointless cars. These vehicles are designed for everything but performance and driving pleasure. If KK included the school run and trips to the supermaket in one of the licence tests well so be it there maybe a reason.
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If you'd read any of the thread to this point, you'd know the answer is "Quite a few people, actually."
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I'm getting tired of hearing this. If GT only included fast cars, this game would be just like every other game on the market. The fact that KY includes slower cars means not only GT is unique, but people learn about vehicles that they may have never seen before.
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I don't want it to be the "real racing simulator", I want it to be "the real driving simulator" for many of the reasons already cited in this thread. I'm not going to take my personal car out onto a track in real life but give me the exact same model in a virtual world and I will have a blast lapping all sorts of tracks with it. I don't even like having to do races with JGTC cars or LMP cars in the GT series, I find it boring because I have no attachment to the vehicles. But allow me to race a vehicle I have experience with and I'll be happy.
It's also nice to settle debates with the game too, most of the time concern who would win in a drag race or whatever. Sure the game isn't 100% accurate but it's fairly close. Most of my friends don't own race cars so if GT was only about racing racecars then we wouldn't be able to have hours of fun doing grudge matches.
It's also nice to settle debates with the game too, most of the time concern who would win in a drag race or whatever. Sure the game isn't 100% accurate but it's fairly close. Most of my friends don't own race cars so if GT was only about racing racecars then we wouldn't be able to have hours of fun doing grudge matches.
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there is something on both sides. today i have driven a seat leon sport really great car! and yes i would love to see that ingame, but as mentioned i also want a race version of it ingame, wich does only have around 270/280 bhp.
i know we have the simbim titles with those cars but not with the graphics that gt5 will have.
i know we have the simbim titles with those cars but not with the graphics that gt5 will have.
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I agree with him,partley.
Who really want's a nissan cube
or a little ford ka, anythng over that is fine,But under.....
!!!!!!!
Btw I also want a leon, like Elessar!
Who really want's a nissan cube
or a little ford ka, anythng over that is fine,But under.....
!!!!!!!
Btw I also want a leon, like Elessar!
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I do.
I do.
Everything is fine. I'd rather drive either of the two cars you mention than the Jaguar XJR-15, but I wouldn't seek to have the Jag removed from the game merely because it's an undriveable, evil-handling stack of crap.
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I am a fan of American Le Mans series. I have attended 3 Petit Le Mans races (just returned from this year's race) and I can tell you right now that after having seen both a Beetle Cup race and a Jetta TDI Cup race that there is nothing boring about moderate every day cars being driven around Road Atlanta.
Sure, their lap times aren't under 1:10, like the Audi R10 and other prototypes, but the racing is much closer and requires a different set of focus. These cars are less likely to overcook a turn (but they still do), but paint swapping and lead changes are much more likely. The majority of the group is running in a pack and passes are happening on every turn. The pressure to do everything just right (flooring it through every turn is not all it takes) is much higher. If your angle is off by a fraction then you will see the guy in your mirrors suddenly disappear and show up again as he squeezes past you. In high-powered cars a small mistake will more than likely lead to a reduction in a lead, with a possibility of a position loss. In lower powered cars a small mistake will almost guarantee a loss of position.
I'll repeat my suggestion to you that I make to all low-powered haters; try some races against real people and not the AI in order to make your judgment.
And I have to think that if there was no joy in taking your daily driver around a track that many tracks wouldn't find it worthwhile to have days where you can come and pay to run your own car around.
EDIT: And yes, I know the main complaint is about sub-100hp cars, but if you can make a Jetta or Beetle exciting in racing you can make virtually anything exciting.
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GT1 was ok, it had slow cars but not cars you can walk away from such as Subaru 360, Ford T Model, Dihatsu Midget etc etc. I don't mind if they're in GT5 though, as long as they include some perfromance/race classics such as BMW M1, BMW M3 E30, Ford Sierra Cosworth, DeTomaso Pantera, Nissan Hakasuka GTR and many more. Of course up to date race cars as well!
I think those superslow cars are just taking up discspace. I mean GT5P just got an update with three cars and it was over 100MB in size. Imagine of they're including all those useless cars that they had in GT4, then we are talking Gigabytes of crap..
This is just my opinion.
I think those superslow cars are just taking up discspace. I mean GT5P just got an update with three cars and it was over 100MB in size. Imagine of they're including all those useless cars that they had in GT4, then we are talking Gigabytes of crap..
This is just my opinion.
Excuse me, but are you an old women or something?
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