Wouldn't you rather it be the 'Real Racing Simulator'?
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Joey D
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I still don't like the idea of mainly including racecars though. One thing I've always like about Forza was being able to take a standard car and build it into a weekend warrior racer of sorts. With a wider selection of cars in which to do that with would make the game awesome.
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What you mean the little Ford Ka that has during its history been commonly run successful as a rally car, that in its 1.3 guise has the highly 'tweakable' Ford Kent engine in it, and that in its real life 'stock' form is one of the sweetest handling super-minis of its generation.
Well that would be me then, which are some of the reasons why my wife has one sat on our drive right now and why its as much fun to drive in GT4 as it is in reality.
Personally I want every car we can have in GT5 and I then want to be able to make up my mind which ones I like and enjoy, rather than having that choice dictated to me.
And as an opinion I disagree with it.
Did the last infraction you got not get the message through?
You do not talk to people here in this manner, attempted joke or not.
Do it again and I will put you one step closer to leaving.
Scaff
If you're going flat out on virtually every corner in a car capable of 100mph, you're not driving anywhere interesting.
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Joey D
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They are still built as race cars and will handle as such. Taking a small econobox and racing around has a very different feel because the car was built to move people economically.
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I'm sure you thought you were jolly witty and original with the "lap times taking days" and "school run and trips to the supermarket" comments, but unfortunately I have to inform you it's the sort of tired nonsense that people with their heads in the clouds often come out with. If you'd taken a look through the whole thread before posting you'd have seen many well-constructed posts as to why:
a) Small cars and slower cars are equally as valid as faster cars
b) Their inclusion doesn't take away a space that would otherwise have been occupied by a faster car and
c) That there is a lot of fun to be had extracting lap times or racing in something that has no grip, that can use the whole track and more, and that allows you a bit of a margin for error should you be racing online, say, against competitiors who are also in slower cars.
I personally don't consider myself "unfortunate" to own a slow car, because it's still damn good fun to drive, as have all the other "slow" cars I've driven in my roughly six years of having a licence. And that fun can still be found on a game, especially now that we'll have an online mode in which to race.
I'd quite like a Ka, thanks very much. And a Cube would be fun too. Actually, I wouldn't mind another '63 Daihatsu Midget, with its 12bhp. I'm pretty sure I could scrape together a motley crew of racers from GTP who'd love to race against me in such cars.
The Midget has been one of my favourite cars in the GT series ever since it appeared. What other game lets you race something so... random? Apart from anything else, the GT series has opened my eyes to not only the normal Japanese imports we hear about, but to oddities like the Midget, Pao, Mazda AZ-1 and other such vehicles. And as above, when the full game is out with its private rooms and kei cars, you can be sure I'll try and organise regular races for them.
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As I probably already mentioned in this thread before I like production cars, this is my biggest draw to GT, I am more happy in a Nissan Cube or Ford Ka than than most race cars. This is also why I don't like PP (750PP etc) races in GT5P online, everybody takes a factory production car and plays with some sliders to make it totally different, atleast in GT4 (and I assume GT5) you are adding parts which makes it feel like you are 'building' a race/track car.
A car I quite is in GT5P is the Suzuki Cervo SR believe it or not and I like taking these micro cars on Eiger to compare them, just like I did in GT4 with Tsukuba and Nurburgring.
A car I quite is in GT5P is the Suzuki Cervo SR believe it or not and I like taking these micro cars on Eiger to compare them, just like I did in GT4 with Tsukuba and Nurburgring.
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This has always been a HUGE draw of the GT series for me, and many other people I'm sure. Ever play GT2? The best GT game on many levels IMO. Take a 3 door honda si, work your way up through the ranks while you're constantly improving your car, until it's fully modded and has "race mods" and you can be competitive in the GT touring cars series. That's what got me hooked on the GT series ;being able to go from bucket to racing thoroughbred . 👍
Oh, now I see what you mean about the sliders vs the actual parts. Whatever, adding any given "part" is like moving the sliders in tiny encriments, but I agree it does have a profound effect on the game-play value. As far as online racing goes, it has almost no effect, because people will still just take their fully modded cars online, which is just like maxing out the sliders.
I liked taking race cars on the Nurburgring to compare them
. Tsukuba not so much 
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Hit the nail on the head right there.
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I have agree with this to a degree
I tend to like the cars better in their stock form, preferably with "worse" tyres than they come with though. A Ford Ka would f ex get N1 tyres. I like a tad of realism! Thing is though, I do have a weak spot for performance- and supercars, and they can be really fun too, if you acknowlage that they should have no better tyres than N3 - wich would be equivalent to Michelin Pilot Sports and such.
And the same goes for racecars - anything softer than R1 is just unreal when racing. R3 could possibly be seen as a qualifying tyre in terms of grip.
This is something they (PD) need to adress - you should be able to run over an hour on a hard compound tyre, not 20 minutes or less.
This being said, I wouldn´t want more performance/racecars if that meant less Keis and econoboxes, since I really think these cars have a real purpose in the game. There is no better way to learn the racingline or the basic behaviour of cars than in something slower and more mundane. And it is fun learning that in those cars!
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This has always been a HUGE draw of the GT series for me, and many other people I'm sure. Ever play GT2? The best GT game on many levels IMO. Take a 3 door honda si, work your way up through the ranks while you're constantly improving your car, until it's fully modded and has "race mods" and you can be competitive in the GT touring cars series. That's what got me hooked on the GT series ;being able to go from bucket to racing thoroughbred . 👍
Oh, now I see what you mean about the sliders vs the actual parts. Whatever, adding any given "part" is like moving the sliders in tiny encriments, but I agree it does have a profound effect on the game-play value. As far as online racing goes, it has almost no effect, because people will still just take their fully modded cars online, which is just like maxing out the sliders.
I liked taking race cars on the Nurburgring to compare them
so thrue about gt2, it was amazing, buy and second hand civic and just drive, buy better parts and then on a moment you could choose racing modification or not. it was so beautiful, seeing if you could buy a turbo or not was really fun.
I have so much hope that they would ever go back to something like that on gt5
btw, do some people here know that at the time the "real" mini cooper came out. they took over rally for years, it was bloody fast and stable.
In Holland we also had the tayota Yaris cup(racing modification) etc, it is real fun because there is so much more "fighting" going on on the track. real close racing. and that's what should be on gt5:tup:
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^ That sums it up, really. The cars aren't that quick, but it's because of that the battles are great. As cars get quicker, there's more of a performance differentiation between the cars themselves, and also the ability of the drivers to extract the performance from them. Wheras, in a race series like the Yaris cup mentioned above, the cars are all of similar, if not identical performance, but there's also less margin for advantage even for quicker drivers.
One of my favourite UK series is called "Stock Hatch". Basically the rules state you have to have a 1400cc or less 16v, or 1600cc or less 8v engine, in a hatchback, and you're only allowed to do limited tuning (basic blueprinting, new exhaust). The field is full of Saxo and C2 VTRs, Peugeot 106 Rallyes and older 205s, Fiesta XR2is and Escort XR3is, and then the occasional Lupo Sport, Suzuki Swift and so on. You get the idea.
Despite the differences in the cars, the racing is always door-to-door - never that quick, but always brilliant to watch and probably brilliant fun for the drivers. It's the epitome of why small and slower cars can be fun too.
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Let me know when it happens and I will be there.
Here's one for you: Daimler Motor Carriage race on Daytona Road. Talk about needing to nail your lines to maintain maximum momentum through the turns. Take it too sharp and you lose half your speed.
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Yes GT2 was great with race modification. As for parts rather than sliders, in previous GT's when I add a modified exhaust the engine would change note (depending on which exhaust I got), when I changed to a fully custom trans it would gains transmission whine, I could adjust my differential slip or just fit a pre selcted LSD etc. Thats not the same as just playing with sliders, but yes even with the parts that are just the same it still adds to gameplay effect buying parts.
In GT5 I hope it goes further visual, I add a large intercooler I would like to see it, change exhaust and I would to see it etc.
I have agree with this to a degree
Thing is though, I do have a weak spot for performance- and supercars, and they can be really fun too, if you acknowlage that they should have no better tyres than N3 - wich would be equivalent to Michelin Pilot Sports and such.
I love driving any production car and that includes Supercars, the race cars I enjoy the most are the ones closer to production cars, like the Group A touring cars and rally cars in general.
As for tyres, I would rather stick to what PD recommend is the closest to reality (listed in the manual GT5P), most of the high perfomance cars are N3~S1
But then again I wish PD would just give all the cars a factory tyre option so I don't have to guess or look up in a manual.
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Or just make the "N-S" tire that is recommended be what comes on the car when you get it, and keep it on there until YOU decide to change it.
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Why doesn't GT just make itself proper like it has been and have a lot of both. People in this thread need to understand that those of us obsessed with motorsport and play GT should be able to drive our favorite race cars as well. Personally i'm all for having slow cars in the game. I have raced with them before and it is fun. But when my friends come together, we usually create a replica of Le Mans or Laguna Seca GT race. Race cars and yes even single seaters belong in GT. To those that think otherwise, you don't get how motorsport is in line with production cars. I want to see 60's , 70', 80's F1 cars like the Lotus 72, Tyrell P34, and even a Maserati 350F. These are some of the greatest cars from those manufactuers and deserve a spot. The same goes for GT, Touring, Rally, Drift, Raid, and others should be in GT. With a 500 car line up, a balance can be achieved. But to all those that say ex race cars then that is pure nonsense and i'm glad Kaz is a racing fan.
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because a lot of people want nothing but racing models. they seem to be totally offended by "common" cars. I love the idea of tuning commons, mainly to find out what they could do if they were hot-rodded.
racing games were about racing models for years, and that's kind of ingrained into game players' Psyches. GT and Yamauichi-san broke the mold (did I spell that correctly?)
also, Americans in general are rarely exposed to racing out side of left turn ovals. the only road and rally that was done in the US for years involved false trunks full of moonshine, and that had to be kept quiet.
racing games were about racing models for years, and that's kind of ingrained into game players' Psyches. GT and Yamauichi-san broke the mold (did I spell that correctly?)
also, Americans in general are rarely exposed to racing out side of left turn ovals. the only road and rally that was done in the US for years involved false trunks full of moonshine, and that had to be kept quiet.
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Those of us who like driving the slow cars just as much as we like driving the fast cars do not want any cars dropped from the game. I've said it twice now, so here's the hat-trick:
Famine
Yet for some reason the people who don't like driving the slow cars seem to persist in wanting to take them out (and spoiling an amount of fun for the rest of us) and believe they're taking up space that could be occupied by faster cars - which, as I've discussed at length in this thread, is simply not a reasonable assumption.
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Yeah I understand what your saying Famine, you want as much variation as possible, so there will always be something new to try out sort of thing right?👍 In that way your thinking of GT as sort of a Library for all cars, where you can try anything you want.
The more Cars and tracks the better, however prioritizing the more popular Cars and Tracks is also important. I'm sure PD will ace GT5 with the support of having Prologue as a testing ground for whatever they like.
Peace,
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i bought my car dependig how fast it was in GT or Forza motorsport2. It was a Honda civic VTI - 92 
hehe, it was so fun to drive in the game and it was kinda cheap, so i bought one, and i will never regret it! Best car ever! Thats why they should not delete the slower cars!
hehe, it was so fun to drive in the game and it was kinda cheap, so i bought one, and i will never regret it! Best car ever! Thats why they should not delete the slower cars!- 793
Thank you for quoting yourself again for no reason. I never said take out any cars. I said GT needs more proper race cars. You understand the difference. Next time you quote me atleast read my post.
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Well if they offer race modifications like GT2, then they wouldn't need to add more race cars, just more road cars.
You're right, you never said they should take out any cars. I believe Famine was responding to your assertion that the "slow cars are fun" side wishes to remove racecars from the game:
