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[Tedehur]

The problem is that, now that you know there will be a special race, you'll think about it for the next 6 days, expect something huge and be disappointed when it's posted.

 

[ROB 256R]

The problem is that, now that you know there will be a special race, you'll think about it for the next 6 days, expect something huge and be disappointed when it's posted.

Such modesty!

 

[MisterWeary]

I'm bored so here's a brain teaser:

(NOTE: you could quite easily find the answer with a Google search but try solving it without cheating)

You're in a room with 3 switches, they are all initially in the "off" position. In another room down the hall that you cannot see there is a light. One of the switches in front of you controls that light. What could you do to definitively determine which switch controls the light when you walk down to the room?

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you may notice that the "y" at the beginning of this sentence is not capitalised...this is because my new keyboard does not type a capital "y" or "t" when I use the left shift key. If I press caps lock or use the right shift key it's fine, and it's only the "t" and "y" keys that are affected. It may not sound like much but it's progressively ticking me off more and more
</whinge>

<random comment>
If you want a fantastic laugh and still haven't read the Chuck Norris facts then go here and read them right now!!!
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[shockwaveracing]

turn on the first switch for a while, then turn it off, then turn on the next switch and go down to the room. now try and burn yourself. if you don't, and the light isn't on then the first 2 switches aren't the ones that work... coz turning on the first one would have heated it up, thus burning yourself, but seeing as you didn't burn yourself, and the light isn't on even after you turned the second switch on, you have successfully deduced that the third switch, is definitely the one that operates the light... a convoluted way of saying this, will make it easier to understand

- if the light is on, then it is the "second switch"
- if the light is off and burns your hand, then it is the "first switch"
- if the light is off and is cold to touch, then it is the "third switch"

 

[MisterWeary]

You the man shockwave 👍

 

[MinorShunt]

You the man shockwave 👍

Well, if you want to do it the Australian way that is........

The American way would be to cuss out the dumbass electrician who wired them in such a stupid way in the first place, then page an intern to come and figure out the problem and write a detailed solutions report for your eyes only. You then plagarize the report entirely, and spread it throughout the organization in your name, taking complete credit for finding the solution. Finally you fire the brainy little bastard you hired to figure out the problem in the first place, and take even more credit for running a lean and mean department. Simple!

 

[MisterWeary]

Hmmm...well I'll accept either answer

Hey when are you gonna have a crack at BC qualifiers Minor?

 

[oldphart]

got a ?
You have people coming over for the first time, how do you prepare them to see a Playseat cockpit sitting in the living room ? I've had the, pause, let them adjust, then invite them to take a spin, as I've pre-loaded the game in arcade just in case. Just wondering if there are any good ways to explain this passion.

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

show them what you can do, then let them try

and they will have a greater appreciation for what you can do 👍

 

[Small_Fryz]

show them what you can do, then let them try

and they will have a greater appreciation for what you can do 👍

This works wonders for me! 👍

Dad and I built our cockpit so its always good to start off with that. But its brilliant to get them to have a go then in 2 laps your about 20 seconds ahead

They would have to be quite a if they didnt like your hobby. In fact if they turn their noes up at you then i wouldnt want them as friends.

But a nice quick spin in arcade mode will do the trick 95% of the time 👍

 

[MinorShunt]

Hmmm...well I'll accept either answer

Hey when are you gonna have a crack at BC qualifiers Minor?

Thanks MW. Just a little tongue in cheek there.
Regarding BC quals, I hope to get to it soon, but have not had time to do much driving at all. I was able to get an hour for myself last night, and had a crack at the first ARC race, but RL has been.......... interesting lately. So I don't know when I'll be back to WRS, but I intend to do the BC quals b4 end of month. 👍

 

[oldphart]

Thanks 👍 that's kind of what I had in mind
I figure after a couple of laps and feeling the feedback on the wheel will answer any ?'s as to why it's in the living room yet another joy of being single

 

[MisterWeary]

Well after finally going back to the bumper view I've decided to seriously look into a DFP but I'm confused. All you folk who use a wheel, are you all using an actual Driving Force Pro or are some people using the standard Driving Force? I currently already have a Rally Driving wheel but it's useless for GT it just feels unnatural. Anyway I'm in no hurry, my main aim is to get one for when GT5 comes out, just wanted to know if forking out the extra $$$ for the Pro is worth it?

On a different note I got to see how my old man was doing with GT last night and help him out with some of his nemeses. He had finished almost all the Special Conditions races except the Hard race around Grand Canyon reverse, after 5-10 practice laps I polished that one off for him....A few missions were also giving him grief...so I demolished those for him. All my racing over the past year or so has really helped me feel confident in beating what ever Sony try to throw out there . A friend of mine is gonna lend me GT2 so that should be good, I'll see how long it takes to finish that.

 

[oldphart]

I'll jump in
I use the DFP. I had the regular DF wheel for awhile, but it's not as good as the DFP. I'm useless with the DS2, wrong generation. The wheel is something these old hands can understand. The wheel along with a modified gameseat set-up is perfect for me. I can do the hour long JGTC stints without my a** screaming ........ speaking of which... I haven't spent this much time in one car/track combo since mission 34

 

[Casio]

Thread Revival.

Ok. Everyone in the WRS has to help me here, it's an order.

I need a solid idea for my year 12 media production by the 3rd. It has to be 5-10 minutes long, but apart from that it's free choice.

At the moment I'm trying to think of something with as little or no dialogue as possible, as I have no access to proper sound equimpment and I find the sound recorded by the camera to be awful quality. I'm also trying to think of something more 'artsy', because I'm that kind of person, and the films I saw from previous years tried to squeeze in a feature length film into 5 minutes and they generally sucked.

So yeah, I'm pretty much stuck. Any ideas? Themes I could follow? I appreciate it guys 👍

 

[MisterWeary]

Well as the Media coordinator at my school I'll give some wisdom and insight for the first (and probably last) time on this board In my experience films that score well have a few things in common:

- Simple and easy to understand story
- A punchy finish
- Props and sets are simple
- Seamless editing
- Humour or suspense (or both!)

They should be a priority when coming up with an idea, focusing on creative and top quality cinematography is always an easy way to catch your teachers attention too which leads me to your number one priority..........how is it being marked? Most students fail to do the most important step...study the marking guide!!! Do that and work out where the most marks are allocated and then focus on getting those marks. Students never do this and it confuses me all the time.

Other than that I've given you a few ideas over the past week or two so hopefully you have somewhere to go 👍

 

[Laurence5905]

Well after finally going back to the bumper view I've decided to seriously look into a DFP but I'm confused. All you folk who use a wheel, are you all using an actual Driving Force Pro or are some people using the standard Driving Force? I currently already have a Rally Driving wheel but it's useless for GT it just feels unnatural. Anyway I'm in no hurry, my main aim is to get one for when GT5 comes out, just wanted to know if forking out the extra $$$ for the Pro is worth it?

When I first got GT4, I bought a Driving Force to go with it -- it was less than half the price of the DFP. I took the DF back after about 3 days -- it sucked! Splurged on the DFP and I never looked back. Love the DFP!!

 

[Super T]

A friend of mine is gonna lend me GT2 so that should be good, I'll see how long it takes to finish that.

Before I joined the WRS I was just nosing around this site looking for set-ups and stuff when I stumbled over a thread asking if anyone was interested in retro GT1 or GT2 series. This got me thinking and I decided to dust off my old copy of GT1, (I've got 'em all apart from the tokyo edition arcade thingy). After getting over how far the graphics have come along, I think I'd got it to about 95% complete in around a week! This is including doing an eleven/twelve hour day at work and getting about 4 hours sleep a night though!

Enjoy.

 

[MisterWeary]

Before I joined the WRS I was just nosing around this site looking for set-ups and stuff when I stumbled over a thread asking if anyone was interested in retro GT1 or GT2 series. This got me thinking and I decided to dust off my old copy of GT1, (I've got 'em all apart from the tokyo edition arcade thingy). After getting over how far the graphics have come along, I think I'd got it to about 95% complete in around a week! This is including doing an eleven/twelve hour day at work and getting about 4 hours sleep a night though!

Enjoy.

Well I couldn't get over the craptastic graphics, it made me ill So it's near the PS2 now gathering dust, I ain't gonna bother with it. I'll just keep on hanging for GT5

New Thought

Okay I'd like thoughts on a topic that Jerry sort of alluded to in this comment:

Yeah jerry, everybody knows im nothing without my weekly replay from Dan and his setup.

Don't kill yourself over it mate. nearly everyone else here does that too.

Something is bothering you but you haven't addressed it. The fact you've made sweeping generalisations aside, I am one of the "nearly everyone" who occasionally gets a copy of Dan's replay earlier in the week. But I just wonder what the real problem is here. I'm on MSN most nights as are quite a few folk and we are all pretty open about our current WRS races, in fact I put my current race time at the end of my Nickname in MSN. Me and Casio have had a battle going on for the past few weeks and I'll have him beat, then he'll go away and beat me. I like battling with someone who is around my ability (well who was ). At the end of the week I know whether Casio has me beat or not and the battle probably helps us in moving higher up the placings each week. My question is...is this wrong? Would people prefer zero discussion about races behind closed doors? If I'm doing something "wrong" in the OLR world I have no qualms about stopping, my best results aren't when I see Dan's replay before submission time, it's when I have a personal battle going on. I'm curious to hear thoughts though because I think you for one Jerry, don't approve.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Well my thoughts....

I dont actually download faster ghosts all that much. In fact its actually quite rare. However i have no problem with doing it. Hotboi/Veilsidebr/holl01 shared everything at the start of WRS, times/tips and a lot of comunication. Every week they pushed each other to their limit and a bit further. Look how fast they both are now! they feed off each other and improve as a group. I think the best/fastest way to learn is with the help of others. 1 or 2 tip's may not do much but if 5 people give 1 or 2 tips each, I'm sure it would help much more! and instead of taking you 5hours on your own to figure out those 5 tips, it only takes you 5 mins to read them. The result, working as a group you can all improve much faster than the guy working on his own. A good analogy is a pack of cars drafting around the test course, compared to a single car just lapping around on its own.

However At the end of the day you still have to drive the lap.

For the record, BC5 i did completly on my own, i chased no ghosts and the setup was 100% mine. So i can still reach a high limit, just takes longer when i have no ghost to look at or tips to read. But through personal reflection of my laps It is definetly possible to still reach a high level without outside input.

 

[Sphinx]

Well I couldn't get over the craptastic graphics, it made me ill So it's near the PS2 now gathering dust, I ain't gonna bother with it. I'll just keep on hanging for GT5

New Thought

Okay I'd like thoughts on a topic that Jerry sort of alluded to in this comment:

Something is bothering you but you haven't addressed it. The fact you've made sweeping generalisations aside, I am one of the "nearly everyone" who occasionally gets a copy of Dan's replay earlier in the week. But I just wonder what the real problem is here. I'm on MSN most nights as are quite a few folk and we are all pretty open about our current WRS races, in fact I put my current race time at the end of my Nickname in MSN. Me and Casio have had a battle going on for the past few weeks and I'll have him beat, then he'll go away and beat me. I like battling with someone who is around my ability (well who was ). At the end of the week I know whether Casio has me beat or not and the battle probably helps us in moving higher up the placings each week. My question is...is this wrong? Would people prefer zero discussion about races behind closed doors? If I'm doing something "wrong" in the OLR world I have no qualms about stopping, my best results aren't when I see Dan's replay before submission time, it's when I have a personal battle going on. I'm curious to hear thoughts though because I think you for one Jerry, don't approve.

This isn’t solely related to the WRS, it goes on elsewhere and yes, I’ve been a party to it. I’m talking about those of us who are privy to the backchannel or the ‘wall flowers’ as I like to term it privately, meaning those of us who get the most sunshine and therefore blossom better than others within OLR. It's due to the extra information that can be obtained there, such as total lap times to chase, the odd secretive method found, and a lovely copy of a fast run that can be used to ghost with, or observe to find out how it is done in order to achieve a time that one couldn’t achieve on one’s own, or at least take much longer to achieve.

I’ve just read Dion’s post and I admit that it does sound dandy when put that way, but in reality, it is a concept that is flawed in more ways than one. Allow me to explain:

1. Advantage over those who are also racing and yet are not privy to this information. In other words, they are not wall flowers and are therefore not privileged enough.

2. It destroys the very nature of OLR, a deadline is set, rules state only T discussions and we all await the final results until they are posted on said deadline.

Today we have total time discussions backchannel, ghost chasing from other drivers replays who are taking part in the same race, and it's only the non wall flowers awaiting the final results to be posted after the deadline.

3. not only are we cheating ourselves, we are also cheating those who are not wall flowers.

Of course, over time one would get faster when having this extra help that some are not privy to, but anyone who says that they could get the same times (within the deadline) even if they didn’t have this extra information is in denial. For example, the issue for this weeks WRS race is the lack of information Ben gave, and it has been stated that had hol101 had this required information he would’ve won by going back to the race and improving on his old time. “Information is power”

Those of us who are wall flowers and have complained about the lack of information regarding this week and somehow feel cheated because of it are being highly hypocritical when it is obviously clear that it is they who have cheated others week in, week out who aren’t privy to the information that they have every week.

What about me you ask?

Do I agree with it = No

Am I a hypocrite = yes

Did I do it to gain an advantage = No, but it does

Did I do it to level the playing field = yes

Does my wife go shopping = Yes

Does she find something really nice in the first shop she goes into = Yes

Does she buy it = No

Does she continue to shop a further 4 hrs = Yes

Does she then go back to the first shop = Yes

Does she then find that it's sold out = Yes

Do you know why she does that = I have no bloody idea

 

[Small_Fryz]

I must say though, all you need to do to become a wall flower is download msn and add a few guys 👍.

This is why i do like racing at GTRP and other forums who hide nothing. Then there are no such things as wall flowers and "others". Final times are posted and even replays are shared, all before the deadline. Everyone has the same playing feild. Should WRS do this also?, well to 95% of div 1 it basically already is like that. Jump on msn and you can find what you need. I guess only a few are really having no input other than the WRS Thread.

And lets face it, for you to be competitive you need to be a "wall flower". Otherwise your fighting a uphill battle.

Here is a GTRP race that i reffered to.

Should WRS be run like that? And then that would eliminate the "wall flowers" and "others".

 

[inferno]

origionaly the WRS was run like this to prevent people from "guessing" final times. if only t times were shared it made guessing a winning final time just that much harder. bottom line most people who cheat shoot for the top. now that replay verification is REQUIRED for all top placing racers, (in otherwords you cant do well unless you have verification. the main reason for my absesce, well the start of it anyway) that kind of throws a wench in the whole works for those cheaters. perhaps the entire discussion format of the WRS is now up for revision, now that this "gess-a-win" factor has been all but eliminated. I for one would pull for discussion of full times. shall we consider this a second of the motion?

 

[Z]

I can't read german well, and the online translation sites are poor, so I'll guess that they [gtrp] just set up a race, announce deadlines and let people post to the leaderboard their times in the same fashion that we post splits? It wouldn't bother me either way, really, although replays during the week would certainly help out quite a few people with the means to view. For those that don't, there are a few of us who don't mind posting setups, circuit guides, etc.

I'm one of those people because even though I know I'm not the fastest here, I know I'm fast enough to invite a little competition my way and if it helps someone get faster in the process.. great. If I lose in the process, I lost to a better driver and perhaps can learn something from them. That's one of (before someone comes and picks this apart, I said *one of*.. not *the*) the reasons we're here, to help each other get faster by way of a simple, friendly series that welcomes everyone, alien or not. Right?

Sure, there are a few people that are probably here more for the fact that they get to see their name with points attached to it on a leaderboard, but that really isn't most of us, otherwise there wouldn't be threads of multiple posts with various advice.

I would think that if a final time were posted for view during the week, it's not so different from posting splits. One factor you definitely eliminate is the guesswork of "We're seperated by .050 at T3, but did the other driver take a better line at the final corner?", but people are still viewing a time to chase in the end.

Some people get careless when they think they've matched laps with someone simply by matching their splits.. if a final time were posted, they might give it a few more laps and possibly make the competitions more fierce. On the other hand, things could become more predictable in the results; aside from a few people improving here and there and the addition of new drivers, most have their limits that, for whatever reason, they can't overcome and so driver 1 would consistently be a certain gap off the pace, driver 2 consistently tenths behind driver 1, etc. (and sometimes it's already like that). What does vary, though, and is interesting when comparing driving styles, is who is better at handling a certain drivetrain configuration, vehicle or better at a certain circuit than the next driver. Plenty enough variables for me, so.. posting of final times wouldn't bother me at all, honestly.. whatever the case, I'll be ready to race.

Shaun/Z

 

[MisterWeary]

Some really productive discussion, I like 👍

I hadn't really thought about the reason for only posting splits but I would happily convert over to full discussion on race details all week, sounds cool to me. I think Shaun made some awesome points particularly about competitions within the competition so I'm all for open slather on discussions during the week. Maybe we could trial it for a couple of weeks and see how it goes?

As for equity in regard to the info available to all competitors, this would alleviate that somewhat, I quite often have a mid week replay on my PC and I'd happily post it.

 

[Casio]

I think the original idea of only posting split times was to stop cheating on submission. For example, I posted I did a 1'23.456 then Colby thinks, I'll just submit a 1'23.345, and no one will know, because I'm not required. (I'm just using you Colby as an example, not saying you'd do this). Back at the start of WRS huges amounts of people submitted times, probably 60+, so it was easy to slip under the radar.

It is different now. Last week there was only 18 submissions, the week before only 12. Everyone in D1 have a maxdrive, as does most if not all of D2 and D3. So posting final times isn't a problem if everyone has a replay to provide.

However, if this is done, what's the point of having a results thread if everybody knows the results. Maybe a rule stating that you can only post split times in the last 24 hours or something, to at least give a chance of a suprise.

I don't agree with the attitude towards 'wall-flowers'. We're not playing for sheep stations here, and it all helps everybody improve. Take the D1 Australian contingent as an example. Myself, Colby, Andrew, Dan, Dion always talk about where we are at this week, set-ups we are using, et cetera. Like Colby said, we even have our current WRS time in our MSN names, so anyone who is on my list, can login and see what they need to beat. Last week, I put down a time, in the mid 13s, then Colby did a low 13, then I did a mid 12, then he did a low 12, then I did a mid 11. It's this 'extra' competition that makes us go faster, rather then just stealing peoples replays and copying them.

 

[Sphinx]

I don't agree with the attitude towards 'wall-flowers'. We're not playing for sheep stations here, and it all helps everybody improve. Take the D1 Australian contingent as an example. Myself, Colby, Andrew, Dan, Dion always talk about where we are at this week, set-ups we are using, et cetera. Like Colby said, we even have our current WRS time in our MSN names, so anyone who is on my list, can login and see what they need to beat. Last week, I put down a time, in the mid 13s, then Colby did a low 13, then I did a mid 12, then he did a low 12, then I did a mid 11. It's this 'extra' competition that makes us go faster, rather then just stealing peoples replays and copying them.

It doesn't help everybody as you state. Only those on your list, yourself, Colby, Andrew, Dan and Dion for example. What about those not on your list, does it help them?

It's not the extra competition that helps you go faster, it's the extra information that gives you something to aim for.

The suggestion of posting full times publicly would help reduce the unfairness/advantage over others.

 

[Casio]

It doesn't help everybody as you state. Only those on your list, yourself, Colby, Andrew, Dan and Dion for example. What about those not on your list, does it help them?

It's not the extra competition that helps you go faster, it's the extra information that gives you something to aim for.

Anyone here or anywhere can add me to their MSN or PM me or whatever and I'm sure we'd do the same for anyone. I just used us 'Aussies' as an example. It's not like we're some secret club and hold back information from the rest of the world. It's not like we only talk to these select group of people either.

 

[Sphinx]

Anyone here or anywhere can add me to their MSN or PM me or whatever and I'm sure we'd do the same for anyone. I just used us 'Aussies' as an example. It's not like we're some secret club and hold back information from the rest of the world. It's not like we only talk to these select group of people either.

But why should it be that way? What if someone doesn't want to add you or anyone else to their contacts on MSN. Where does it state that this is a requirement in order to get maximum information for a combo. All i can find is only T dicussions are permitted. That's one broken rule already.

 

[Small_Fryz]

But why should it be that way? What if someone doesn't want to add you or anyone else to their contacts on MSN. Where does it state that this is a requirement in order to get maximum information for a combo. All i can find is only T dicussions are permitted. That's one broken rule already.

Just some trivial information.

I Didnt know such back channel even existed until GT3 WRS 103/4. Until then i thought nothing but 'T' Times meant just that, i was chatting to Kent (WRS admin at the time) in WRS 104 and i was very suprised when he gave me his final time.

So im definetly all for sharing Replays/times everything, It will definetly even out the playing feild and with so many maxdrives, cheating will be almost impossible, unless they cheat in the lower divisions where maxdrives arnt common.