WSGTC 2 discussion

[Denilson]

Which color do you want your car? road or race?

ehhhr... you trying to make it look like I'm going to collect cars by doing this?? That's not even funny, and I feel kind of offended actually.

 

[ultrap13]

@Aderrrm, I sent you the standard CUSCO Impreza...no need to send it back, I backed it up

On the "car deposit" idea... sounds quite ineffective to me... all it will do is take away one send slot, most will backup and restore the car right away and will have NO INTEREST IN GETTING THE CAR BACK because they've made a copy of it already. I just don't see the point.

I don't think there's a way to force people to return. If they "want to return" they will. But as we've seen most people get excited when they read the threads, join for one or two races, find out how much effort and commitment it requires, find out that they have basically no chance to win because of the skill level of the regulars...and then lose interest. It's just a fact of life. Accept it, remove the no-shows from the list and move on.

 

[Denilson]

@Aderrrm, I sent you the standard CUSCO Impreza...no need to send it back, I backed it up

On the "car deposit" idea... sounds quite ineffective to me... all it will do is take away one send slot, most will backup and restore the car right away and will have NO INTEREST IN GETTING THE CAR BACK because they've made a copy of it already. I just don't see the point.

I don't think there's a way to force people to return. If they "want to return" they will. But as we've seen most people get excited when they read the threads, join for one or two races, find out how much effort and commitment it requires, find out that they have basically no chance to win because of the skill level of the regulars...and then lose interest. It's just a fact of life. Accept it, remove the no-shows from the list and move on.

Once again, point is: If we state that to sign-up, you need to send me (or any other steward) a 1.000.000cr car as a proof you'll stay commited. If a driver goes thru the hassle to duplicate and send away the car, so be it.
In this case, we got a car to give out as a prize, and the driver who just showed up once or twice have at least supported us with a 1.000.000cr car.
And it will also remove the one who sign-up, and does'nt show after he did sign-up. If he knows that he actually have to do an effort (sending away a 1.000.000cr car) to get on the list, the driver who are commited will do that, and the driver who are not wont.

Yes, we can't defend our sefs if someone is thinking: "I'm going to duplicate the car I send away.. But I'm only going to participate for one round.. muuhahahaha"... Well, this is not the guy I'm trying to stop from signing-up since we can't do anything about it. The guy I'm trying to stop from signing up is the guy who reads the thread, signs-up, and then leave without a trace. See my point?

If all drivers actually send their cars and stay for at least 7 rounds, I'd be more than happy to buy all the prize cars my self.

I could'nt care less if the driver duplicates his car or not. That's not the point.

 

[Andil]

Imo: Prizes for winners, sure why not. Sending a car to compete? No point tbh, if we want to attract more drivers to the series who could potentially become regulars, then saying they must donate a car is just adding a hinderence to them signing up in the first place. We will end up with a group of dedicated racers regardless, because they enjoy the series, and that's all that matters. So lets make the series easy to join, and let the regulars emerge from the crowd

Also tbh, I dont think I have a 1m car to give away, I don't play much single player

 

[Denilson]

Andil, you don't think this is a point?

"Once again, point is: If we state that to sign-up, you need to send me (or any other steward) a 1.000.000cr car as a proof you'll stay commited. If a driver goes thru the hassle to duplicate and send away the car, so be it.
In this case, we got a car to give out as a prize, and the driver who just showed up once or twice have at least supported us with a 1.000.000cr car.
And it will also remove the one who sign-up, and does'nt show after he did sign-up. If he knows that he actually have to do an effort (sending away a 1.000.000cr car) to get on the list, the driver who are commited will do that, and the driver who are not wont.

Yes, we can't defend our sefs if someone is thinking: "I'm going to duplicate the car I send away.. But I'm only going to participate for one round.. muuhahahaha"... Well, this is not the guy I'm trying to stop from signing-up since we can't do anything about it. The guy I'm trying to stop from signing up is the guy who reads the thread, signs-up, and then leave without a trace. See my point?"

To be honest, sending a 1.000.000cr car (that you will get back) is not even an effort, come on...

Andil, I know you got a YELLOWHAT YMS TOMCA GT-R.. Since it's you, I'll accept that it's only 950.000cr..

 

[Goruk]

ehhhr... you trying to make it look like I'm going to collect cars by doing this?? That's not even funny, and I feel kind of offended actually.

That was not my intention, and if you felt offended I'm sorry for that.

It's not that big deal... if it's supose to send you a car, I'll send you a car no problem...👍

I'm not here to cause any problems or offend people, just to have some clean fair racing, that's all...

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[Andil]

Andil, you don't think this is a point?

"Once again, point is: If we state that to sign-up, you need to send me (or any other steward) a 1.000.000cr car as a proof you'll stay commited. If a driver goes thru the hassle to duplicate and send away the car, so be it.
In this case, we got a car to give out as a prize, and the driver who just showed up once or twice have at least supported us with a 1.000.000cr car.
And it will also remove the one who sign-up, and does'nt show after he did sign-up. If he knows that he actually have to do an effort (sending away a 1.000.000cr car) to get on the list, the driver who are commited will do that, and the driver who are not wont.

Yes, we can't defend our sefs if someone is thinking: "I'm going to duplicate the car I send away.. But I'm only going to participate for one round.. muuhahahaha"... Well, this is not the guy I'm trying to stop from signing-up since we can't do anything about it. The guy I'm trying to stop from signing up is the guy who reads the thread, signs-up, and then leave without a trace. See my point?"

To be honest, sending a 1.000.000cr car (that you will get back) is not even an effort, come on...

For me personally, if I went to look at a series on this forum, and noticed in the rules that I had to send a car to join in, I'd click the back button and not join that series. Maybe that's just me, but I think others must think the same, so would rather it was as easy as possible for people to sign up.

 

[Denilson]

That was not my intention, and if you felt offended I'm sorry for that.

It's not that big deal... if it's supose to send you a car, I'll send you a car no problem...👍

I'm not here to cause any problems or offend people, just to have some clean fair racing, that's all...

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Great to hear that from you! 👍

Guess I'm a bit to serious when discussing ideas for the championship.. I'm going all in to make it as good as possible.

Thanks again!

 

[Denilson]

For me personally, if I went to look at a series on this forum, and noticed in the rules that I had to send a car to join in, I'd click the back button and not join that series. Maybe that's just me, but I think others must think the same, so would rather it was as easy as possible for people to sign up.

My point is that if I'm interested in signing up and stay commited to a series I think is well organized and concist of a great pack of nice, fast and clean guys, I'd send the car away in a second.

As I tryed to state in an earlier post, I don't look for drivers who could join this league as well as any other league. I want the drivers who sign up here to see this league as the only option (maybee I'm thinking to much of this). I'm not trying to look down on any other series, it's just that I'm really struggeling to make drivers stay commited. Sure, it's just a fact of life (As Ultrap13 said) if some drivers show for one race and then dissapear. But without them drivers, I'd get a lot of less work on my a**. PM guys for a whole season try to get them to race is not something I want to deticate my time with. I much rather update the OP and making sure the commited drivers here can enjoy a proffessionaly managed championship.

 

[IforceV8]

Yes, I'm sorry, but we just can't move the races any later. In CET, we finish the race way past midnight all ready. I guess this is one of the biggest hurdles to pass as long as drivers from both sides of the Atlantic is signed up. And as it looks for now, the times we race are the best compromize.

Toyota WOODONE SUPRA: Since there is a lot of much more present models, that are also premium, we decided to rule out all of the standard GT500/JGTC cars. Another reason for this is that we are testing all models to be as equal as possible before launching the next season. And it would be impossible to test all the Standard and Premium GT500/JGTC cars.
We do got a few standards in the GT300 class. But we had to include them in an attempt to make the GT300 grid more diverse.

I'd love you to join us if you think you can stay for at least 8/11 rounds. You should think about it, it's going to be a great Championship in every aspect. 👍

Thanks but there is no way i could commit at this time.The time/day just doesnt work for me.


Consider that car sending idea an entrance fee.Of course the guys who finished the last season would be exempt but new people have to show they are "in" by doing some shopping.I wouldnt have a problem with it if i was entering.(paint chips would be asking too much however)

 

[Adam41]

If he knows that he actually have to do an effort (sending away a 1.000.000cr car) to get on the list, the driver who are commited will do that, and the driver who are not wont.

Sending away a 1m credit car takes less than a minute. Duping the car you've just lost takes less than 5 mins (I don't know, I've never done it before). You can't bet on 10 minutes of "effort" and commitment transforming into hours and hours of commitment over 12+ weeks. And since they've backed it up, they've suffered no loss at all. The only people who have suffered a loss are us because there may be some people who don't want to send a car away, but could be committed to 7+ rounds of the championship.

Anyway, let's talk about something more productive.

@ ultrap, cheers mate. I'll make sure that when you send me the garaiya I'll buy you a premium car of your choice. Was doing some testing on the impreza earlier actually, it's straight line speeds are really bad compared to other cars but seems to still get decent lap times.

 

[OwensRacing]

Fwiw duping a car takes as long as hitting save in the game. Quitting. Scroll up copy save to geek stick. Restart game. Send said cars etc. Quit game load geek stick save. Resume as normal.

Really simple and not very time consuming.

I agree with what Denilson is working towards. However not sure the car thing is best idea. We are limited with things of value to prove commitment on gt5.

Cr gifting would be awesome. But we can dream later. That won't solve the commitment token.

Honestly think it's time for a true license committee.

 

[Denilson]

No, I can't bet on that if a driver put the 10 minutes of effort, that it will automaticly transfer in to a 7 race commitment. The question is: How commited are you if you think it's a hassle to do it? As you said, it takes less than a minute. And all it will "do" to us is drivers who can't even send a car (an effort about 1 min of your time) wont sign up.
It will also give us some cars to hand out as prizes.

We got three potential new drivers that have taken part in this debate, and no one think it's any trouble at all. When was the last time three drivers stated their interest within a few hours?

And I want to keep this discussion going until more WSGTC 1 drivers had their say. I don't think that this is not a productive thing to discuss. It's very important that we get a solid group of drivers. And to be honest, I don't think any new driver would have a problem with it, if he really aims to stay commited.

I don't want this to turn in to an argument, but either you are missing my point, your saying "no" just because.., you think that new drivers don't trust us, or you're afraid that we wont get enough drivers signed up.

The only argument I understand is that maybee, just maybee we'll lose potential drivers. You also said a few posts ago that we could accept as many entries as possible and let the commited drivers rise above. Which is also a solid argument. 👍
But on the other hand, if we want to rise above the other champioships, we need to be brave. Just crusing below radar will not take this Championship to the level I want it to. And by "level", I don't meen how good the drivers are, more how well the group is getting along, how well organized the champioship is, and that we are the championship to take part in if you want real and serious racing. It's a question of marketing. What do we want? Where do we want this championship to head? How commited do we want our group to be?

I'm sorry if I'm a bit to much at the moment. And you guys know that I always listen to your opinions before comming to decitions. But at this point, I fail to see that your arguments are good enough, with the direction we want WSGTC 2 to go in mind.

And again: It's not about some one "losing" a car. It's about the commitment it shows. This does not by any meens ensure that a driver will stick around for the entire season. It will show that the new driver at least feel enough commitment to put in a 1 minute effort.

 

[Otsdarva]

Also going with the clutter...it tends to blur which car is currently used most/least for someone to pick when they join.

 

[competizione]

No, I can't bet on that if a driver put the 10 minutes of effort, that it will automaticly transfer in to a 7 race commitment. The question is: How commited are you if you think it's a hassle to do it? As you said, it takes less than a minute. And all it will "do" to us is drivers who can't even send a car (an effort about 1 min of your time) wont sign up.
It will also give us some cars to hand out as prizes.

We got three potential new drivers that have taken part in this debate, and no one think it's any trouble at all. When was the last time three drivers stated their interest within a few hours?

And I want to keep this discussion going until more WSGTC 1 drivers had their say. I don't think that this is not a productive thing to discuss. It's very important that we get a solid group of drivers. And to be honest, I don't think any new driver would have a problem with it, if he really aims to stay commited.

I don't want this to turn in to an argument, but either you are missing my point, your saying "no" just because.., you think that new drivers don't trust us, or you're afraid that we wont get enough drivers signed up.

The only argument I understand is that maybee, just maybee we'll lose potential drivers. You also said a few posts ago that we could accept as many entries as possible and let the commited drivers rise above. Which is also a solid argument. 👍
But on the other hand, if we want to rise above the other champioships, we need to be brave. Just crusing below radar will not take this Championship to the level I want it to. And by "level", I don't meen how good the drivers are, more how well the group is getting along, how well organized the champioship is, and that we are the championship to take part in if you want real and serious racing. It's a question of marketing. What do we want? Where do we want this championship to head? How commited do we want our group to be?

I'm sorry if I'm a bit to much at the moment. And you guys know that I always listen to your opinions before comming to decitions. But at this point, I fail to see that your arguments are good enough, with the direction we want WSGTC 2 to go in mind.

And again: It's not about some one "losing" a car. It's about the commitment it shows. This does not by any meens ensure that a driver will stick around for the entire season. It will show that the new driver at least feel enough commitment to put in a 1 minute effort.

after reading this i agree with you on many of your points so i think it is a good idea but i think i maybe only be enough to keep people interested if we race in the championship maybe not for pre season testing to sort things out btw what about a form of "winther series" there is used to test regs and rules and then after 3 or 5 racesin the "winther series" we begin the big championship with prizecars and all the final rules. in the "winther series" we can all try to sort out the planning so you dont get more adminstration to do i would be able to help.

 

[Denilson]

after reading this i agree with you on many of your points so i think it is a good idea but i think i maybe only be enough to keep people interested if we race in the championship maybe not for pre season testing to sort things out btw what about a form of "winther series" there is used to test regs and rules and then after 3 or 5 racesin the "winther series" we begin the big championship with prizecars and all the final rules. in the "winther series" we can all try to sort out the planning so you dont get more adminstration to do i would be able to help.

Yes, after this first test we are doing this Friday, we'll then head on to the final round at Suzuka for the next Friday.

After season one is finished, I also think that we should do 2-3 pre-season races. And ofc let any new driver participate and get a feel of the group, organization and procedures. And when the championship is about to start, I'll PM all drivers on our list and ask them to send a 1.000.000cr car as a deposit if he wants in. So we should ofc not demand a deposit car just to take part in pre-season. So, just to post your interest does not meen you have to send a car to us. But when we are lets say a week before round 1, I'll ask for the deposit cars.

And if someone don't want in at that stage, it's fine, and no car needs to be sent to us. And if a driver got a good feel for us during pre-season, he'll probably gladly send us the car as a deposit. 👍

 

[ultrap13]

For me personally, if I went to look at a series on this forum, and noticed in the rules that I had to send a car to join in, I'd click the back button and not join that series. Maybe that's just me, but I think others must think the same, so would rather it was as easy as possible for people to sign up.

+1. Exactly my thoughts. I have no problem sending cars to friends when I WANT TO but like you said if I was just looking at a series thread and saw this requirement I'd pass.

 

[Denilson]

+1. Exactly my thoughts. I have no problem sending cars to friends when I WANT TO but like you said if I was just looking at a series thread and saw this requirement I'd pass.

Why?

 

[Goruk]

After season one is finished, I also think that we should do 2-3 pre-season races. And ofc let any new driver participate and get a feel of the group, organization and procedures. And when the championship is about to start, I'll PM all drivers on our list and ask them to send a 1.000.000cr car as a deposit if he wants in. So we should ofc not demand a deposit car just to take part in pre-season. So, just to post your interest does not meen you have to send a car to us. But when we are lets say a week before round 1, I'll ask for the deposit cars.

And if someone don't want in at that stage, it's fine, and no car needs to be sent to us. And if a driver got a good feel for us during pre-season, he'll probably gladly send us the car as a deposit.

That sounds good:tup:

 

[Adam41]

It will show that the new driver at least feel enough commitment to put in a 1 minute effort.

Oh don't worry, I understand your point fully and the aim of this rule. Shame I don't think you understand mine.

The bit I have quoted, you have agreed with me that lending a car will take 1 minute and is therefore not that showing in terms of a person's commitment.

Another thing which is petty and only takes 1 minute (in your opinion), is someone posting in a championship thread, like WSGTC, and saying "oh yeah I'll join". We're back at square 1. Are we not? It's just an inconvenience and imo is ineffective.

I'm not saying any more on the matter.

 

[Denilson]

Oh don't worry, I understand your point fully and the aim of this rule. Shame I don't think you understand mine.

The bit I have quoted, you have agreed with me that lending a car will take 1 minute and is therefore not that showing in terms of a person's commitment.

Another thing which is petty and only takes 1 minute (in your opinion), is someone posting in a championship thread, like WSGTC, and saying "oh yeah I'll join". We're back at square 1. Are we not? It's just an inconvenience and imo is ineffective.

I'm not saying any more on the matter.

I do understand yours. But your argument: "The bit I have quoted, you have agreed with me that lending a car will take 1 minute and is therefore not that showing in terms of a person's commitment." is wrong in my opinion.


What I'm saying is that IF you don't even got the commitment to put in one minute of your time, it says a lot about how interested you really are. No?

So the fact that we are talkning about such a small sacrifice, works out extremely well with the purpose in mind. I'd understand your point more if my suggestion was a hasstle to do, and would reqire so much more than 1 minut of your time.

Guess we look at it from different angles, and don't worry, I totally understand what you are saying. 👍
Guess we agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Joshua1994]

It'd take me more than a minute to send a 1.000.000 credit car seeming as I only have around, idk, 70.000 credits hahaha

 

[Andil]

What Josh said - I race in WSGTC once a week, and that's it (except for a BTCC race last night, so maybe it will be two series a week from now). So, being GT300, I earn maybe 30,000 credits if it's a Div1/Div2 race for coming 7th/8th/9th overall. At the moment, I don't have 1m credits to spend on a car, nor do I have any 1m cars which I could afford to give away. If it meant I had to go grind 1m to get a car to send, I definitely wouldn't do it.

That's part of the reason I'd hit the back button if I saw a thread which required sending a car to take part.

Secondly; I only turn on the PS3 when I know I have a race to attend. I have been at every race in this championship, but I'm lazy, I'll admit it. If I saw I had to find someone's PSN details, figure out a car I wanted to send, and then log on to GT5 to do it, I probably wouldn't bother (yeah, I know... - but this is the reality) - I'd much prefer to put my name down, turn up to quali/race when I need to, and that be it. Having to log on midweek or whenever to send a car in order to be registered is off-putting for me, but I am a driver who has been at every round, and I am also the type of driver who would not sign up to a new series like this.

These might seem lame reasons to you, but it's the situation I have.

Plus, consider the fact that we all know you, so we have no problem sending a car to take part (I would still find a way to send a car to take part if this rule was in place, because I want to take part). We might have the most organised series on GTP, but for those who are new to the series, or new to GTP, they have no idea what the series is, or even who you are. You have to build up the trust in order for someone to want to do something like that, and I am pretty sure most new people to GTP wouldn't want to send a car to a random person - they don't know the history of the series, that we're reliable, you're reliable, that they'll get it back, etc. etc. - if someone isn't happy with what they see immediately, they will hit the back button without a second thought.

So what I'm trying to say is, I think your idea is good, Denilson, but I think it's the wrong way to do it. I am one of the type of people you'd end up excluding - Of course we want to see commitment and we want WSGTC to be the series that everyone on GTP wants to be a part of, but imo this isn't the way to do it.

Tbh I would prefer it to be easy for people to turn up, get a feel for the series in pre-season. Those who are happy with the way we run, and have been able to witness WSGTC racing first hand, are those who will stay for the full season. Just use pre-season to weed out those who don't really care so much.

(argh, long post sorry)

 

[Denilson]

What Josh said - I race in WSGTC once a week, and that's it (except for a BTCC race last night, so maybe it will be two series a week from now). So, being GT300, I earn maybe 30,000 credits if it's a Div1/Div2 race for coming 7th/8th/9th overall. At the moment, I don't have 1m credits to spend on a car, nor do I have any 1m cars which I could afford to give away. If it meant I had to go grind 1m to get a car to send, I definitely wouldn't do it.

That's part of the reason I'd hit the back button if I saw a thread which required sending a car to take part.

Secondly; I only turn on the PS3 when I know I have a race to attend. I have been at every race in this championship, but I'm lazy, I'll admit it. If I saw I had to find someone's PSN details, figure out a car I wanted to send, and then log on to GT5 to do it, I probably wouldn't bother (yeah, I know... - but this is the reality) - I'd much prefer to put my name down, turn up to quali/race when I need to, and that be it. Having to log on midweek or whenever to send a car in order to be registered is off-putting for me, but I am a driver who has been at every round, and I am also the type of driver who would not sign up to a new series like this.

These might seem lame reasons to you, but it's the situation I have.

Plus, consider the fact that we all know you, so we have no problem sending a car to take part (I would still find a way to send a car to take part if this rule was in place, because I want to take part). We might have the most organised series on GTP, but for those who are new to the series, or new to GTP, they have no idea what the series is, or even who you are. You have to build up the trust in order for someone to want to do something like that, and I am pretty sure most new people to GTP wouldn't want to send a car to a random person - they don't know the history of the series, that we're reliable, you're reliable, that they'll get it back, etc. etc. - if someone isn't happy with what they see immediately, they will hit the back button without a second thought.

So what I'm trying to say is, I think your idea is good, Denilson, but I think it's the wrong way to do it. I am one of the type of people you'd end up excluding - Of course we want to see commitment and we want WSGTC to be the series that everyone on GTP wants to be a part of, but imo this isn't the way to do it.

Tbh I would prefer it to be easy for people to turn up, get a feel for the series in pre-season. Those who are happy with the way we run, and have been able to witness WSGTC racing first hand, are those who will stay for the full season. Just use pre-season to weed out those who don't really care so much.

(argh, long post sorry)

Great post Andil! 👍

A lot of good points, and I do see your points.

But fact remains, three new drivers have taken part in this debate, and none of them are having any trouble sending me a "deposit" car.
Ofc, it would be a shame to miss out on a driver like yourself, but on the other hand, all of us are different.

The "deposit"-rule would not be something the regulars had to do, since we already know we will stay commited, the "deposit"-rule is just something that would take up send slots (if you're in to trading) and time. The rule would be for all the new drivers.

How about reducing the value of the "deposit" to 250-350.000cr cars? The amout of time it takes to send the car is the same, but the situation where a new driver does'nt got the time to grind (If he does'nt got one already) for a 1.000.000cr car will be reduced.

I agree with you that this is not a waterprrof way of doing it, but it is the best idea I came up with.

So no need to debate this idea any more, but what we need to discuss is how we are going to make sure drivers stay commited if we don't use the "deposit-rule".

I think that we need to come up with something.

 

[Joshua1994]

A poll could decide it. It seems to be only about 3 people giving a opinion on this, where's everyone else?

 

[Paginas1]

im reading just cant think of ideas lol

 

[Paginas1]

ah thought of an idea,

i just did an hour race with gt500 cars in a private lobby, the tyres warm up and ware just as they do in a private lobby.

test on friday? if all goes well use for season 2?

 

[Denilson]

ah thought of an idea,

i just did an hour race with gt500 cars in a private lobby, the tyres warm up and ware just as they do in a private lobby.

test on friday? if all goes well use for season 2?

Yes, that's a good idea. 👍

I'l start up the test in my lobby. All of you who are not friends with me on PSN, throw me a Friend Request to: "chorda"

The session will open up from around 18.00 PM (GMT). Feel free to enter when ever you are able to. Both new and regulars are welcome. But remember, all cars used in this session MUST be tuned modded according to my and Aderrrms test results. Any car that is not on the list must race in it's WSGTC 1 form.

Complete list of allowed mods for each car is listed below:

Allowed mods: GT500

Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
Engine stage 3
1130 kg
514 bhp
610 pp
PL: 85,0 %

Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
Stock
1100 kg
518 bhp
610 pp
PL: -

Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R
Stock
1100 kg
518 bhp
610 pp
PL: -

Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R
Stock
1100 kg
518 bhp
610 pp
PL: -

Toyota YELLOWHAT YMS SUPRA
Engine stage 3
1090 kg
534 bhp
608 pp
PL: -

Lexus DENSO DUNLP SARD SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
515 bhp
612 pp
PL: 95,6 %

Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
533 bhp
614 pp
PL: -

Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA
Stock
1150 kg
517 bhp
617 pp
PL: -

Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Stock
1100 kg
508 bhp
618 pp
PL: 95,1 %

Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
515 bhp
612 pp
PL: 95,6 %

Lexus ENEOS SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
538 bhp
612 pp
PL: -

Honda RAYBRING NSX, Honda TAKATA DOME NSX, Honda ARTA NSX, Honda EPSON NSX and Nissan WOODONE ADVAN CLARION GT-R are not completeley tested yet. But ofc you can bring them to the test this Friday. Make sure to keep it stock initially. And when we can determine how much it suffers, we'll discuss the possible mods later on. I'll bring a slightley modded NSX to the race this Friday, but I don't want to state the level of mods yet, since nothing is final.


Allowed mods: GT300

RE Amemaiya ASPARADRINK RX7 '06
Stock
1100 kg
335 bhp
533 pp
PL: -

Lexus WEDSPORT IS350
Engine stage 3
1150 kg
362 bhp
551 pp
PL: 79,8 %

Autobacs ARTA GARAIYA '08
Stock
1175 kg
348 bhp
536 pp
PL: -

Subaru CUSCO DUNLOP IMPREZA '08
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
361 bhp
551 pp
PL: 93,1 %

Toyota APEX MR-S
Turbo stage 1
1125 kg
318 bhp
537 pp
PL: 87,7 %

Toyota WEDSPORT CELICA
Stock
1050 kg
322 bhp
541 pp
PL: -

Autobacs ARTA GARAIYA '03, RE Amemaiya ASPARADRINK RX7 and the Subaru CUSCO ADVAN IMPREZA '04 may also participate, but in it's WSGTC 1 form.

IMPORTANT: Please, respect the mods listed. It will be impossible to keep track of different mods if cars that we are comparing to are not tuned/moded within the above suggested regulations.

 

[OwensRacing]

How about if a person misses a race and doesn't make it known to you before hand. To enter the next race they have to send said deposit/car?

This way what seems like a pain. Is self inflicted.

So basically if I had to miss a week. I would post up as well prob pm you if no response in thread. This is excused and no sending penalty

Say if for some reason I go awol and not show one week out of the blue. No PM explaining etc. Then come next race I want in. I need to pay up for my lack of respect to the series.



Also with the NSX testing can we please balance weight on the NSX's and then set power on testing. beating this horse again. EPSON is such a great looker. It needs to be implemented.

 

[Denilson]

How about if a person misses a race and doesn't make it known to you before hand. To enter the next race they have to send said deposit/car?

This way what seems like a pain. Is self inflicted.

So basically if I had to miss a week. I would post up as well prob pm you if no response in thread. Anyway if for some reason I go awol and not show one week out of the blue. No PM explaining etc. Then come next race I want in. I need to pay up for my lack of respect to the series.



Also with the NSX testing cab we please balance weight and then set power on testing. beating this horse again. EPSON is such a great looker. It needs to be implemented.

Great idea for the "deposit-rule" 👍
I like it. Let's listen to the rest of the bunch.

Yes, the EPSON needs to get in. I'm a bit concerned that it will be tough to get it right. But I'll give it my best shot. The weight of it is a bit of a problem, since we need to tune the engine quite much, and since it's already slow in the corners, the final "product" sort of speak will be a rocket, much more than the YELLOWHAT SUPRA, already is. But I hope I'll get it right. Just give me another week, and I'll post my findings. 👍