WSGTC 2 discussion

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The AUTECH MOTUL GT-R time is done on my Nurburgring Nordshleife tune for the WSGTC race, hence it's a tad faster.

Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
Engine stage 3
1130 kg
514 bhp
610 pp
PL: 85,0 %
Lap: 6:31.505

Toyota YELLOWHAT YMS SUPRA
Engine stage 3
1090 kg
534 bhp
608 pp
PL: -
Lap: 6:32.196

Lexus DENSO DUNLP SARD SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
515 bhp
612 pp
PL: 95,6 %
Lap: 6:32.210

Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
533 bhp
614 pp
PL: -
Lap: 6:32.235

Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Stock
1100 kg
508 bhp
618 pp
PL: 95,1 %
Lap: 6:32.273

Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
515 bhp
612 pp
PL: 95,6 %
Lap: 6:32.288

Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
Stock
1100 kg
518 bhp
610 pp
PL: -
Lap: 6:32.484

Lexus ENEOS SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
538 bhp
612 pp
PL: -
Lap: 6:32.749

Would love if I could get some results from the different GT300's as well. I know Aderrrm was doing some testing offline. But it would be great with some numbers from on-line. Really need your help with this. Thanks. 👍
 
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Any Toms Supra testing? Is it allowed in season 2?


Also mentioned something about bonus points for racers that make every race of the season. That is commitment and should be rewarded. IMHO
 
Chorda could you put your setup of the Toyota YELLOWHAT YMS SUPRA up? Gonna start playing around with that now. Did a few laps stock on Suzuka in the wet and its actually pretty nice.
 
OwensRacing: I'll test the TOM'S SUPRA later to day. 👍

Joshua1994: This tune is for Nurburgring nordschleife. Not perfect, but good enough.

DF: Max
GR: 330
LSD: 8/8/7
CAM: 2,4/1,8
TOE: -0,05/0,10
RH: -12/-8
SR: 18,4/17,1
EXT: 7/6
COM: 7/6
ARB: 6/4
BB: 1/1

Tuned with Engine stage 3.
533 bhp
1090 kg
608 pp
 
Cool stuff, I'll give it a go later. But you sure it doesnt have a turbo on? I put just the Engine stage 3 on and it only went up to about 493 bhp
 
Do an oil change and make sure to run the engine in. Engine stage 3 will make it produce 533 bhp.
 
Another idea for WSGTC 2: I'd be happy to supply prize cars so more people may be swayed to sign up. Something along the lines of... 500,000 (or less) car for finishing 1st in class, 250,000 for 2nd and 3rd - applies to gt300 and gt500. Then a 1,000,000 prize car for the overall finals champion in the NSX's.

Done some gt300 testing. As usual, tested on Nurburgring GP/F.

Car - Time - BHP - Weight - PP - Top speed home straight - speed at apex of 1st schumacher S - top speed back straight - Mods

RX-7 ---- 2:02.347 - 335 - 1100 - 533 - 143 - 107.5 - 140
IS350 --- 2:02.379- 362 - 1150 - 551 - 142.5 - 108.5 - 139 - Stage 3 engine tuning, power limiter 97.8%
Garaiya - 2:02.381 - 348 - 1175 - 536 - 142.5 - 107.5 - 139
Impreza - 2:02.423 - 361 - 1100 - 551 - 143.5 - 108.5 - 140 - Stage 2 turbo, power limiter 93.1%
MR-S ---- 2:02.492 - 318 - 1125 - 537 - 143 - 107.5 - 140 - Stage 1 turbo, power limiter 87.7%
Celica --- 2:02.699 - 322 - 1050 - 541 - 142 - 107.5 - 139
MR-S --- 2:03.023 - 315 - 1125 - 531 - 142.5 - 107 - 139 - stock

I know the stage 1 turbo MR-S only has 3 BHP more, but it gives a much more broad power curve. This car would be really good on a track with longer straights than Nurb GP/F, because you still have to gear the car low due to the early max. power, but i can stay on the power for a long time in 6th gear. Another note is that the Impreza is the worst at distributing it's tyre wear between front and rear - because there's also power going to the front wheels you have to hurt them quite a bit to get a good time.

2 Questions. I know the Celica is a nice car to drive and is nearly there in terms of lap time, but shall I put a stage 1 turbo on it and fiddle about with it? Should I test the standard RX-7, Garaiya and Impreza? I know a few people have used the standard Garaiya, but no one I don't think has used the other 2. Another point is that standard cars don't have full beam headlights, which makes them harder to drive in the endurance races. Personally I think we should just stick to the 6 cars I've listed above. :)

Let me know what you think. Make sure you put equal time into different cars aswell as to not create any large difference in lap times. 👍
 
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Great post Aderrrm! 👍 Thank you so much for your help. Really appriciate it. :cheers:

Yes, you should fit a turbo to the Celica and see if you can bring it closer. But on the other hand, we don't need to split hairs. 3/10 of a second is close enough if you ask me. As long as the cars are within 0,5, I'd say it's good enough. The rest is up to the driver.

Would also be great if GT300 and GT500 drivers did some testing as well with the cars tuned to Aderrrm's or mine suggestions. The more testing, the better the outcome.

OwensRacing: I'm about to finalize the testing for the TOM'S SUPRA. I'll post the result within the hour. 👍
 
The AUTECH MOTUL GT-R time is done on my Nurburgring Nordshleife tune for the WSGTC race, hence it's a tad faster.
2 GT-R's on top. But I did use my Nurburgring tune for both of them. It's a bit more perfect for the AUTECH MOTUL compared to the CALSONIC. But hence the times beeing a bit quicker (Especially my beloved AUTECH MOTUL). I'm also used to the GT-R's handling, and that is probably a factor as well. The times and tests are not sience as you all know. I'm sure I could push all cars a couple of tenth more, but I'm pretty sure this shows the cars potential quite accurat.

Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
Engine stage 3
1130 kg
514 bhp
610 pp
PL: 85,0 %
Lap: 6:31.505

Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
Stock
1100 kg
518 bhp
610 pp
PL: -
Lap: 6:32.173

Toyota YELLOWHAT YMS SUPRA
Engine stage 3
1090 kg
534 bhp
608 pp
PL: -
Lap: 6:32.196

Lexus DENSO DUNLP SARD SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
515 bhp
612 pp
PL: 95,6 %
Lap: 6:32.210

Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
533 bhp
614 pp
PL: -
Lap: 6:32.235

Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA
Stock
1150 kg
517 bhp
617 pp
PL: -
Lap: 6:32.243

Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Stock
1100 kg
508 bhp
618 pp
PL: 95,1 %
Lap: 6:32.273

Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
515 bhp
612 pp
PL: 95,6 %
Lap: 6:32.288

Lexus ENEOS SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
538 bhp
612 pp
PL: -
Lap: 6:32.749

I got some trouble to get the NSX's right. Would be great if someone who's familiar to the NSX could help (C-Falcon89?). I can't get it right. But I'll keep on trying.
I will not test the XANAVI NISMO GT-R or YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R since they are so close to the CALSONIC GT-R.

I got the 4 different NSX's left to try. Also the WOODONE ADVAN CLARION GT-R.
 
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Aderrrm
2 Questions. I know the Celica is a nice car to drive and is nearly there in terms of lap time, but shall I put a stage 1 turbo on it and fiddle about with it? Should I test the standard RX-7, Garaiya and Impreza? I know a few people have used the standard Garaiya, but no one I don't think has used the other 2. Another point is that standard cars don't have full beam headlights, which makes them harder to drive in the endurance races. Personally I think we should just stick to the 6 cars I've listed above.
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Seriously the premium cars have stronger headlights? Didn't know that...sure had trouble seeing in the Celica though.

The standard Impreza is RWD so I think we should definitely try to include that car because it obviously has a unique character and doesn't suffer from the front tire wear like the AWD version. The standard Garaiya also differs from the premium one, it has a turbo engine with completely different power curve and isn't as twitchy. I think that car also deserves to be on the list. The standard RX7 seems very similar to the premium one, just has 4HP less...noone used it, I think that one can be left out.

About the Celica, I think it does deserve Stage 1 turbo in this company to bring it to par with the RX7.

If you need any GT300 cars let me know I've got them all.
 
ultrap13
Seriously the premium cars have stronger headlights? Didn't know that...sure had trouble seeing in the Celica though.

The standard Impreza is RWD so I think we should definitely try to include that car because it obviously has a unique character and doesn't suffer from the front tire wear like the AWD version. The standard Garaiya also differs from the premium one, it has a turbo engine with completely different power curve and isn't as twitchy. I think that car also deserves to be on the list. The standard RX7 seems very similar to the premium one, just has 4HP less...noone used it, I think that one can be left out.

About the Celica, I think it does deserve Stage 1 turbo in this company to bring it to par with the RX7.

If you need any GT300 cars let me know I've got them all.
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👍

Yes, would be great if Aderrrm could test all of them!
 
Bit off topic to testing cars but hey il ask lol

The time and day of races.

I personaly dont really like racing on friday as i hve to work every other weekend and when its my weekend off i would like to make the most of it doing other things than racing on my ps3 lol

Also the start time i feel is a little too late BUT if we make it earlier it could effect the people that live in the states, this is why i would like to discuss these points aswell
 
Paginas1
Bit off topic to testing cars but hey il ask lol

The time and day of races.

I personaly dont really like racing on friday as i hve to work every other weekend and when its my weekend off i would like to make the most of it doing other things than racing on my ps3 lol

Also the start time i feel is a little too late BUT if we make it earlier it could effect the people that live in the states, this is why i would like to discuss these points aswell
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I also work every other weekend, so I understand what you're talking about.
Thing is, if we move the races earier, as you said, it will affect the guys in the west. Some od them already rush home from work to make the races as far as I understand. And by pushing the start of the race even more, I'm afraid a lot of them can't participate at all.

How about if we raced every 2 weeks insted of every Friday, and also move the race one hour earlier?
We had this up for discussion before this season, but most was afraid that we'd lose drivers during the season.
Personally, I'd love to race every other Friday. Sure, the Championship will take a while to complete. But what's the rush, really?

Since we are a solid group of commited and fast drivers, It would be awsome to arrange casual races for the ones who can during that week that we don't have a championship race. It will keep the raceing more diverse, and it's also a lot of fun to race drivers from the other class in a standard car, or at least in a equal car. And the casula races would be for the ones who are able to and want to race.

Schedule would look something like this:

Friday June 3: WSGTC race
Connect: 11.00 AM (PST), 14.00 PM (EST), 18:00 PM (GMT), 19.00 PM (BST), 20.00 PM (CET).
Green flag: 12.00 PM (PST), 15.00 PM (EST), 19.00 PM (GMT), 20.00 PM (BST), 21.00 PM (CET).

Friday June 10: Casual race
Times can be decided by the ones who are going to race.

Friday June 17: WSGTC race
Same times as suggested for the first race.

PS. I got your PM Pagi. But for some reason, I can't send you ne back. I'll try again in a while.
 
ultrap13
Seriously the premium cars have stronger headlights? Didn't know that...sure had trouble seeing in the Celica though.

The standard Impreza is RWD so I think we should definitely try to include that car because it obviously has a unique character and doesn't suffer from the front tire wear like the AWD version. The standard Garaiya also differs from the premium one, it has a turbo engine with completely different power curve and isn't as twitchy. I think that car also deserves to be on the list. The standard RX7 seems very similar to the premium one, just has 4HP less...noone used it, I think that one can be left out.

About the Celica, I think it does deserve Stage 1 turbo in this company to bring it to par with the RX7.

If you need any GT300 cars let me know I've got them all.
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Ah, I was wrong. Standards do have full beam, it's just that you can't switch to full beam when ever you want like with Premiums. Then again you can't with the premium gt300 cars because all they do is that flash, to warn other cars they're coming up behind. But to me, they don't seem quite as bright. On the left is the Celica, on the right is the premium Garaiya.



Anyway, I've tested the Celica, but seeing as we only wanted a bit more BHP from the stage 1 turbo, I had to power limit it alot meaning it now has the flatest power curves of all the gt300s, followed closely by the MR-S. Max power is now given from 4700 rpm all the way up to 7000. :crazy: I know weight ballast is harder to check, but what if we increased the weight of the Celica to perhaps 1075kg or 1100kg using ballast, so that we don't have to power limit the engine as much?

Good points about the standard gt300s. 👍 In that case, I'll need to borrow the Garaiya and Impreza. :)

About the times of races etc. Any time between 7 and 9 on a Friday is fine with me. I don't think 9 is too late, as long as we actually start racing at 9 rather than waiting for people. I know we can wait for some people, but imo there has to be a line drawn. I'd also rather have a race every week... I mean if we have one every 2 weeks, a few people are bound to get bored and stop racing, and that means the whole championship will take nearly half a year to complete. :scared: I'm away from mid-July to the start of August so it looks like I'll miss a few races, and I'll probably miss more when I go back for my 2nd year of Uni towards the end of the championshiop schedule. I know everyone is different, but they're just my thoughts.
 
I hear you Aderrrm. But the way I see it. The commited drivers will stay. The hard work is to find enough commited drivers. GT300 turnout has been a bit disapointing towards the end of the season. GT500's as well, but not as disapointing as the GT300's.

If we race every two weeks, planning stuff with friends and family will cause less trouble if you only are commited every other Friday. If we race every week, it's pretty much like saying to your friends and family: "I'm out, don't call me or try to make any arrangements with me for the next 2,5 mounths".. Well, kind of :) But I guess you get my point.

I can also throw in a steward perspective. It's A LOT of work to keep track of everything, update sheets, OP's and so on. The workload would be more manageable for me if I got a bit more time organizing stuff.
But a compromize would be to do it like this:
Race 1
1 week
Race 2
2 weeks
Race 3
1 week
Race 4
2 weeks
Race 5
1 week
Race 6
2 weeks
Race 7
1 week
Race 8
2 weeks
Race 9
1 week
Race 10
2 weeks
Race 11
1 week
Race 12 (season finale)

I'm actually not that afraid that drivers will leave with a less intence schedule.
 
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Fwiw I get home at 3pm EST during school year to get my boys. With summer coming I will be back to 5 pm quitting time.

However I have a lot of freedom. Work for my father and run my own shop under his roof. So while I can make the earlier races. I would prefer them to be ran every other week if we do happen to start earlier.

I will make it happen no matter what you guys decide.

Just tell when and where.
 
I'd also like if everyone who's interested in participating and stay committed in WSGTC 2 could copy and paste in the list below (make sure to copy the entire post):


GT500:
Denilson (chorda)
Jav (Jav122678)
MajkTom (MajikTom)
Paginas1 (Paginas)
Joshua1994 (joshua1994)
JPzer
OwensRacing(OwensRacing)
Otsdarva (MH4wheel)
CaptainFalcon89 (C-Falcon89)
Wardez
monoha
UAE_ReDLiNe
Nycrom
Goruk77 (Goruk77)

GT300
Andil (Moieman)
KamyKaze1098
SteeltoedSloth
GTP_Senninha2
Scanny_Flick
maximus254
Aderrrm (GTP_Aderrrm)
GTP_Pinoy (doctsuru_69)
HortusIX
d-max (jimmy281090)
ultrap13 (Shrugging_Atlas)

Hope we get a nice series...
 
Aderrrm
Good points about the standard gt300s. 👍 In that case, I'll need to borrow the Garaiya and Impreza. :)
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No problem I'll send you a friend request when I get home and gift you the Standard Impreza... Since there's a limit of one send per day, can someone else please gift Aderrrm the standard Garaiya?
 
I don't got one. Only GT300's I got is the Premium RX7 and GARAIYA.
Just send it the next day.. 💡 ;)
 
Roll call for Test session: Friday 27th

GT500
chorda (Denilson)

GT300

NOTE: I've sent PM's to all that signed up on the roll call for the WSGTC 2. But Scanny_Flick could not recieve any PM's due to a full PM-box. So if someone "runs in to" him, let him know. 👍
 
Goruk77
Sorry my :dunce:ish, is't the XANAVI Nismo GT-R and YELLOWHAT GT-R allowed?
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Yes. In the OP, you got a list of cars, along with the suggested mods for them. The XANAVI NISMO GT-R and the YELLOWHAT GT-R is allowed, but not tested. They are concidered to be equal to the CALSONIC GT-R. So go to the OP and find the allowed mods for the CALSONIC GT-R (No mods allowed, must be stock). Did not test them too keep the amount of time down to a minimum, and since thet are equal to the CALSONIC, no testing was needed, but they are allowed, for sure. 👍
 
I'll take the liberty of adding Goruk77 since I know he'll show up. When you copy and paste, make sure to copy the bould part.

Roll call for Test session: Friday 27th

GT500
chorda (Denilson)
joshua1994 (joshua1994)
Goruk77 (Goruk77)

GT300




NOTE: Any car can participate this Friday, but if a car is in the list for what mods to use, it have to be modded exactly like me and Aderrrm suggests. A car that is not listed among the tested ones can be brought to the test, but must stay in it's WSGTC 1 form. Like the NSX's and the WOODONE ADVAN CLARION GT-R for example.
 
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Roll call for Test session: Friday 27th

GT500
chorda (Denilson)
joshua1994 (joshua1994)
Goruk77 (Goruk77)

Paginas1 (Paginas) - 50/50

GT300
 
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