WSGTC 2 discussion
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That looks good to me
Hi Pagi!! And welcome back from Scotland.
What do you think looks good? The rough thread suggestion or the PP for the cars?
I'm going to do some more off-line testing to bring all cars as close as possible, and when PSN is back up and running, I'll try to tweak every car to perfection. Now, when I only got off-line mode to test in, I'm just bringing the cars roughly close to one and other.
Feel free to try them out at the PP suggested by me and have a say. 👍
One thing that's for sure is that the cars can't be identical. Some will be faster in a straight line, some will be faster in the turns, and some will be decent everyewhere on the track.
The Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA, Toyota YELLOWHAT YMS SUPRA will defenetly be faster on the straights, but will lack some corner speeds.
When everyone is assigned to a car, I'm sure we can exclude some of them from the championship since 16 cars would make the championship consist of 32 drivers, which I don't think will happen or is even possible.
My guess is that we are going to use 8-10 of the cars listed when the series gets going.
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Also, on another note: Earlier, we was debating the schedule for WSGTC 2.
This was what I suggested:
1. Suzuka 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
2. Monaco 175 km (same class)
3. Laguna Seca 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
4. Nurburgring GP/F 175 km (same class)
5. La Sarthe 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
6. Indianapolis Road 175 km (same class)
7. Monza 175 km (mixed class/2 div) / Weather
8. Fuji F 175 km (same class)
9. Nurburgring 24h 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
10. Daytona Road 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
11. Suzuka 250 km (same class) / Weather
12. Finals: Top 4 from each class battle eachother out in the Acura NSX RM
I was just thinking, since the cars have different strong/weak sides, I want to make sure that all cars have about the same amout of races that suits one perticular car. As it looks right now, the cars that are faster on the straights will have an advantage.
Nurburgring 24h, Daytona Road, La Sarthe, Fuji, Suzuka and Monza are tracks that clearly suits the "rockets".. How about remove one of the Suzuka races and add Tsukuba?
In that way, the type of tracks will be more diverse, and the GT300 class will have a great race here as well. I think that a GT500 race here can be epic as well. Is this something we can concider?
This was what I suggested:
1. Suzuka 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
2. Monaco 175 km (same class)
3. Laguna Seca 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
4. Nurburgring GP/F 175 km (same class)
5. La Sarthe 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
6. Indianapolis Road 175 km (same class)
7. Monza 175 km (mixed class/2 div) / Weather
8. Fuji F 175 km (same class)
9. Nurburgring 24h 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
10. Daytona Road 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
11. Suzuka 250 km (same class) / Weather
12. Finals: Top 4 from each class battle eachother out in the Acura NSX RM
I was just thinking, since the cars have different strong/weak sides, I want to make sure that all cars have about the same amout of races that suits one perticular car. As it looks right now, the cars that are faster on the straights will have an advantage.
Nurburgring 24h, Daytona Road, La Sarthe, Fuji, Suzuka and Monza are tracks that clearly suits the "rockets".. How about remove one of the Suzuka races and add Tsukuba?
In that way, the type of tracks will be more diverse, and the GT300 class will have a great race here as well. I think that a GT500 race here can be epic as well. Is this something we can concider?
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About the thread arrangement - personally I would just have 1 massive thread which is used for each race like every other championship has. As long as the OP is updated regularly after each race I don't see what the problem is. The number of posts a thread has is a guage of how popular it is. If we make a new thread after every race then we hardly go over 300 and that's at the end of the week. No wonder we get less and less drivers each week.
If we remove the first Suzuka we should make another race mixed class. If we don't, then we only have 3 mixed class races out of 11. Even if we do, I thought we were going for half/half on same/mixed class over the season?
If we remove the first Suzuka we should make another race mixed class. If we don't, then we only have 3 mixed class races out of 11. Even if we do, I thought we were going for half/half on same/mixed class over the season?
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I also agree with aderrm, keeping the OP (as we did this season) with the race thread, it helps, plus it will get lost on a different page on main threads etc.
It will only work if we had our "own" website/forum (which i have an idea for) but that way we will not get new comers to the series etc
It will only work if we had our "own" website/forum (which i have an idea for) but that way we will not get new comers to the series etc
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Tsukuba/Tracklist/mixed/same class: The enduros will not be mixed class. The rest of the 8 races will split in 2, 4 same class and 4 mixed class. Tsukuba, Monaco, Monza and Indianapolis Road will be same class. (I kept the mixed class races to the vider tracks, making passing more managable). 3/11 races will be removed from the final standings.
1. Fuji F 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
2. Tsukuba 175 km (same class)
3. La Sarthe 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
4. Nurburgring GP/F 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
5. Monza 175 km (same class) / Weather
6. Monaco 175 km (same class)
7. Nurburgring 24h 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
8. Laguna Seca 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
9. Indianapolis Road 175 km (same class)
10. Daytona Road 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
11. Suzuka 250 km (same class) / Weather
12. Finals: Top 4 from each class battle eachother out in the Acura NSX RM
Track for the finals? Should we go with the same track for all 1 vs 1's, or should we go with one track in the quarter finals, another track in the semi finals and a third track for the finals? Suggestions?
Thread: If we are going to make 1 gigantic thread for the whole WSGTC 2, my concern is that it will be hard to find information in it. Sure, the OP will stay updated ofc, but if I want to find a specific post or look for a discussion about what ever, it will take me a week to search the thread for that info. And if all information gathered during the season must be in the OP, the OP will be GIGANTIC in the end of the season. Quali results for 10 races, tables, penalties etc. The way we do it now, where we create a new thread prior every round makes it easy to search for the specific round you're looking for info about, and the OP does not need to contain that huge amount of info.
So either we keep it as it is at the moment, or we could make a "Main thread" with rules, driver/team lists, penalty system, total standingstable etc and just put up a link in the OP to that weeks racethread. It will make it really nice and easy to find all info if we do it like this. It will basicly be one thread, but details regarding specific round will be linked to from the OP. So all discussion will take place in the main thread, and the links will be locked threads, where we can only wiev results and search for info. How about that?
Pre-season races: We'll probably run 1 pre-season race. 2 tops.
1. Fuji F 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
2. Tsukuba 175 km (same class)
3. La Sarthe 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
4. Nurburgring GP/F 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
5. Monza 175 km (same class) / Weather
6. Monaco 175 km (same class)
7. Nurburgring 24h 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
8. Laguna Seca 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
9. Indianapolis Road 175 km (same class)
10. Daytona Road 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
11. Suzuka 250 km (same class) / Weather
12. Finals: Top 4 from each class battle eachother out in the Acura NSX RM
Track for the finals? Should we go with the same track for all 1 vs 1's, or should we go with one track in the quarter finals, another track in the semi finals and a third track for the finals? Suggestions?
Thread: If we are going to make 1 gigantic thread for the whole WSGTC 2, my concern is that it will be hard to find information in it. Sure, the OP will stay updated ofc, but if I want to find a specific post or look for a discussion about what ever, it will take me a week to search the thread for that info. And if all information gathered during the season must be in the OP, the OP will be GIGANTIC in the end of the season. Quali results for 10 races, tables, penalties etc. The way we do it now, where we create a new thread prior every round makes it easy to search for the specific round you're looking for info about, and the OP does not need to contain that huge amount of info.
So either we keep it as it is at the moment, or we could make a "Main thread" with rules, driver/team lists, penalty system, total standingstable etc and just put up a link in the OP to that weeks racethread. It will make it really nice and easy to find all info if we do it like this. It will basicly be one thread, but details regarding specific round will be linked to from the OP. So all discussion will take place in the main thread, and the links will be locked threads, where we can only wiev results and search for info. How about that?
Pre-season races: We'll probably run 1 pre-season race. 2 tops.
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About the race schedule: I think we should swap Nurb 24h with Monaco because then there's not 2 Change Weather races after one another, and so that there's a 3 race gap between all 3 endurances races.
Track for the finals I think would be good if we had a GT made track like Trial mountain or GV where there would be more overtaking? In my opinion - same track for quarters and semis but different for the final.
Agrred about the thread. 👍 I don't mind either way we did it, but if I had to choose I would leave it the way it is now.
Track for the finals I think would be good if we had a GT made track like Trial mountain or GV where there would be more overtaking? In my opinion - same track for quarters and semis but different for the final.
Agrred about the thread. 👍 I don't mind either way we did it, but if I had to choose I would leave it the way it is now.
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About the race schedule: I think we should swap Nurb 24h with Monaco because then there's not 2 Change Weather races after one another, and so that there's a 3 race gap between all 3 endurances races.
Track for the finals I think would be good if we had a GT made track like Trial mountain or GV where there would be more overtaking? In my opinion - same track for quarters and semis but different for the final.
Agrred about the thread. 👍 I don't mind either way we did it, but if I had to choose I would leave it the way it is now.
Ok, how about this one?
1. Fuji F 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
2. Tsukuba 175 km (same class)
3. La Sarthe 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
4. Nurburgring GP/F 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
5. Monza 175 km (same class) / Weather
6. Monaco 175 km (same class)
7. Nurburgring 24h 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
8. Laguna Seca 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
9. Indianapolis Road 175 km (same class)
10. Daytona Road 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
11. Suzuka 250 km (same class) / Weather
12. Finals: Top 4 from each class battle eachother out in the Acura NSX RM
Track for the finals:
Yep, I also think that one of the Original tracks would be best. I'm looking for a track where the slip stream is not to important (Especially not a track where you can overtake before the finish line with the help of slipstream), so the track need to be pretty tight, but Monaco or Tsukuba is not the kind of track I'd like for the finals.
Grand Valley? (to much slip stream?)
Trial Mauntain?
Deep Forest?
Tokyo Route 246?
Thread: I'll create one main thread, with links in the OP to each round. The information regarding the next round will always be in the main threads OP. And when a race-result is official and final, I'll create a locked thread where all info is regarding that perticular round. Easy to reach from the OP via a link, and we'll have one thread for the entire championship.
Sounds good?
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Looks and sounds good to me. Only one thing I'd do is swap Monaco with Indy so we don't have two similar circuits one after the other (tight infield, long straight with banked corner), but that's purely nitpicking from me
It looks good 👍
Schedule for WSGTC 2:
1. Fuji F 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
2. Tsukuba 175 km (same class)
3. La Sarthe 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
4. Nurburgring GP/F 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
5. Monza 175 km (same class) / Weather
6. Indianapolis Road 175 km (same class)
7. Nurburgring 24h 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
8. Laguna Seca 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
9. Monaco 175 km (same class)
10. Daytona Road 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
11. Suzuka 250 km (same class) / Weather
12. Finals: Top 4 from each class battle eachother out in the Acura NSX RM
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I'd also like if everyone who's interested in participating and stay committed in WSGTC 2 could copy and paste in the list below (make sure to copy the entire post):
GT500:
Denilson (chorda)
Jav (Jav122678)
MajkTom (MajikTom)
Paginas1 (Paginas)
Joshua1994 (joshua1994)
JPzer
OwensRacing(OwensRacing)
Otsdarva (MH4wheel)
CaptainFalcon89 (C-Falcon89)
Wardez
monoha
UAE_ReDLiNe
Nycrom
GT300
Andil (Moieman)
KamyKaze1098
SteeltoedSloth
GTP_Senninha2
Scanny_Flick
maximus254
Aderrrm (GTP_Aderrrm)
GTP_Pinoy (doctsuru_69)
HortusIX
d-max (jimmy281090)
ultrap13 (Shrugging_Atlas)
GT500:
Denilson (chorda)
Jav (Jav122678)
MajkTom (MajikTom)
Paginas1 (Paginas)
Joshua1994 (joshua1994)
JPzer
OwensRacing(OwensRacing)
Otsdarva (MH4wheel)
CaptainFalcon89 (C-Falcon89)
Wardez
monoha
UAE_ReDLiNe
Nycrom
GT300
Andil (Moieman)
KamyKaze1098
SteeltoedSloth
GTP_Senninha2
Scanny_Flick
maximus254
Aderrrm (GTP_Aderrrm)
GTP_Pinoy (doctsuru_69)
HortusIX
d-max (jimmy281090)
ultrap13 (Shrugging_Atlas)
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Hey guys, just checking in, coming back on Wed. Lots of good ideas, haven't yet read all of them but most things in Denilson's summary look pretty good to me, with some exceptions (see below). My ideas for GT300:
SUCCESS PENALTY (BALLAST) SYSTEM
1. Since we use PP to check car specs, shouldn't we also use a PP based system instead of adding weight? Example: -20PP/-15PP/-10PP for 1/2/3 pos? Should be easier to check on race day when entering track.
2. The PP penalty should not come off until the driver FINISHES a race 4th or lower to prevent shedding ballast by missing/quitting a race. I think this is crucial if the system's goal is to allow for closer racing.
3. Some voices call for standings based, others call for single race podium based system. I think the standings based system is not only ineffective but also counterproductive. Let me demonstrate...
Driver A is on top of the leaderboard with 4th/4th/4th finishes out of 3 races.
Driver B is 5th overall with DNS/1st/DNF out of 3 races.
In a standings-based system, you're penalizing the slower driver A with -20PP, making it even easier for driver B to win race #4 although he's already faster.
In a single race podium based system as prposed under 1) and 2), the slower driver A has no penalty and the fast driver B gets -20PP penalty in race #4, allowing for a close race.
CAR SELECTION
I don't like limiting the field in any way. On the contrary, I think we should allow switching cars at least once per season if not more often, perhaps every 2-3 races. Poor car choice without being able to switch can lead to drivers quitting the series.
Another idea has to do with both success penalty and car selection. If someone wins 2 or 3 races in the same car they should be REQUIRED to switch cars.
SAME/MIXED CLASS
I'm not sure where we stand on this but I'm firmly behind SAME CLASS racing.
SUCCESS PENALTY (BALLAST) SYSTEM
1. Since we use PP to check car specs, shouldn't we also use a PP based system instead of adding weight? Example: -20PP/-15PP/-10PP for 1/2/3 pos? Should be easier to check on race day when entering track.
2. The PP penalty should not come off until the driver FINISHES a race 4th or lower to prevent shedding ballast by missing/quitting a race. I think this is crucial if the system's goal is to allow for closer racing.
3. Some voices call for standings based, others call for single race podium based system. I think the standings based system is not only ineffective but also counterproductive. Let me demonstrate...
Driver A is on top of the leaderboard with 4th/4th/4th finishes out of 3 races.
Driver B is 5th overall with DNS/1st/DNF out of 3 races.
In a standings-based system, you're penalizing the slower driver A with -20PP, making it even easier for driver B to win race #4 although he's already faster.
In a single race podium based system as prposed under 1) and 2), the slower driver A has no penalty and the fast driver B gets -20PP penalty in race #4, allowing for a close race.
CAR SELECTION
I don't like limiting the field in any way. On the contrary, I think we should allow switching cars at least once per season if not more often, perhaps every 2-3 races. Poor car choice without being able to switch can lead to drivers quitting the series.
Another idea has to do with both success penalty and car selection. If someone wins 2 or 3 races in the same car they should be REQUIRED to switch cars.
SAME/MIXED CLASS
I'm not sure where we stand on this but I'm firmly behind SAME CLASS racing.
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Hi and welcome back Ultrap Looks like some of us are happy with the exelent timing of the PSN outage. 
Regarding some of your points:
Ballast: If we go with PP, we open up for use of the power limiter instead of the weight penalty. We don't always use the PP when going to track. Sometimes we use weight and HP. So if the PP is correct, but the weight is not, it will be embarrasing for that driver who tryed to "cheat", when he can't join the track cause the limit was 1130 kg, and not 607 PP.
I got all GT500 cars fully broken in, so I now exactly what PP a sertain amout of weight will remove from the car. 👍
Would be great if someone could collect all specs from all of the GT300's as well. Someone got all of them?
I don't think that we got any cheaters among us, just saying that it's quite easy to make sure the drivers add weight instead of removing DF and HP.
We've pretty much already decided that we'll go with the single race podium method, not the one where we use the total standings table. 👍
Car selection: We are going to race with teams this season as it looks for now. That will automaticly limit the amount of cars to 2 from each livery.
We could allow a team to change car after 5 races, but only to a car that is not occupied by another team. In GT500, there will be a lot of cars to pick, but I'm not so sure about the GT300's. It depends on if we can get all of them equal.
Aderrrm, competizione and me (that I know of) are at the moment testing various cars to see if we can bring the cars even closer than last season. So far, it looks pretty good. I got some nice results from testing in off-line mode (since PSN is down), but I need to test in an open lounge to make sure my results are similar in off-lina as in on-line.
Same/mixed class:
We are going to keep some mixed class races. But this season, we will only run mixed class in 4 out of 11 races.
This is probably the final race schedule:
Schedule for WSGTC 2:
1. Fuji F 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
2. Tsukuba 175 km (same class)
3. La Sarthe 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
4. Nurburgring GP/F 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
5. Monza 175 km (same class) / Weather
6. Indianapolis Road 175 km (same class)
7. Nurburgring 24h 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
8. Laguna Seca 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
9. Monaco 175 km (same class)
10. Daytona Road 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
11. Suzuka 250 km (same class) / Weather
12. Finals: Top 4 from each class battle eachother out in the Acura NSX RM
On another note: I'm trying to find some good tracks for 1 vs 1 racing. Do you guys think that Rome and Madrid should work? I love those tracks. Rome and Madrid are tight tracks, but still wide and would suit 1 vs 1 great.
Looks like some of us are happy with the exelent timing of the PSN outage. Regarding some of your points:
Ballast: If we go with PP, we open up for use of the power limiter instead of the weight penalty. We don't always use the PP when going to track. Sometimes we use weight and HP. So if the PP is correct, but the weight is not, it will be embarrasing for that driver who tryed to "cheat", when he can't join the track cause the limit was 1130 kg, and not 607 PP.
I got all GT500 cars fully broken in, so I now exactly what PP a sertain amout of weight will remove from the car. 👍
Would be great if someone could collect all specs from all of the GT300's as well. Someone got all of them?
I don't think that we got any cheaters among us, just saying that it's quite easy to make sure the drivers add weight instead of removing DF and HP.
We've pretty much already decided that we'll go with the single race podium method, not the one where we use the total standings table. 👍
Car selection: We are going to race with teams this season as it looks for now. That will automaticly limit the amount of cars to 2 from each livery.
We could allow a team to change car after 5 races, but only to a car that is not occupied by another team. In GT500, there will be a lot of cars to pick, but I'm not so sure about the GT300's. It depends on if we can get all of them equal.
Aderrrm, competizione and me (that I know of) are at the moment testing various cars to see if we can bring the cars even closer than last season. So far, it looks pretty good. I got some nice results from testing in off-line mode (since PSN is down), but I need to test in an open lounge to make sure my results are similar in off-lina as in on-line.
Same/mixed class:
We are going to keep some mixed class races. But this season, we will only run mixed class in 4 out of 11 races.
This is probably the final race schedule:
Schedule for WSGTC 2:
1. Fuji F 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
2. Tsukuba 175 km (same class)
3. La Sarthe 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
4. Nurburgring GP/F 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
5. Monza 175 km (same class) / Weather
6. Indianapolis Road 175 km (same class)
7. Nurburgring 24h 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
8. Laguna Seca 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
9. Monaco 175 km (same class)
10. Daytona Road 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
11. Suzuka 250 km (same class) / Weather
12. Finals: Top 4 from each class battle eachother out in the Acura NSX RM
On another note: I'm trying to find some good tracks for 1 vs 1 racing. Do you guys think that Rome and Madrid should work? I love those tracks. Rome and Madrid are tight tracks, but still wide and would suit 1 vs 1 great.
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Thanks for the update. Glad to hear the ballast system will be based on single race result and # of mixed class races will be reduced.
I have all the GT300 cars, standard and premium.
IMO power and weight are more difficult to check than PP, especially since it looks like some cars will have various upgrades allowed which makes the stage2/stage3 combinations harder to check. I'm sure either system can be made to work but IMO PP is easier.
Sigh. Seems to restrictive, I don't see how this can work in GT300. People don't show up for races and now will block cars, newcomers' car choice will be severely limited. I'd rather create some kind of "market economy" where car selection is more liberal but if too many people pick the same car the car's PP limit would be reduced, making the other cars more attractive.
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If a driver is missing without informing us, he will be automaticly DQ'd from the Championship. Last season, some drivers just showed whenever they felt like it just to have a race. That won't work this season. Towards the end, or from race 4 and forth, I think that we got pretty good at telling if we could not show for that weeks race. To inform about absence is a must this season.
No one can pick a car comleteley on his own. All drivers will post a wish-list with three categorys of cars. Example, I've devided the GT500's in to categorys (A-K), drivers post the 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice of category. And from that we'll hand out the cars. Since we'll do a lot of testing and put in a great effort in making the cars as equal as possible, I don't think that the choice of car will be as important as last season. I was pretty sure that I was going to pick a GT-R for the next season. But after some testing I'm not so sure any more.
Anybody can test cars and suggest PP's/specs and post here. The more tests, the better the outcome.
I can start with some of my testing for GT500's. I won't post any lap times. Think it's much better if you guys try the cars with an oen mind. I'll post my suggested PP and anyone can try that car out and have a say. At the moment, my testing has been off-line, so I'm not sure if the suggested PP's/Tunes will work out that well in on-line. But it's a start. The car that we use for reference is the Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R. All cars are tested with max aero.
Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
Compl. stock
1100 kg
518 bhp
610 pp
PL: -
Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA
Turbo stage 2
1150 kg
499 bhp
616 pp
PL: 92,3%
Honda ARTA NSX
Engine stage 3
1100 kg
503 bhp
601 pp
PL: 92,4%
Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
503 bhp
609 pp
PL: 95,6%
Feel free to try these cars out at any track and have a say. 👍
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Hi guys,
Im back after some time away over easter, glad to see the failings of psn coincided nicely with this
Have been working my way through all of the posts and there are some great ideas out there.
About the categorising of cars, i like it for GT500 and it makes good sense however im not sure it's possible for GT300 as there isnt the same multiple versions of identical cars with different liverys like there is in GT500.
Ok you could maybe group the 2 rx7's and the 2 garaiyas together but they would still have to keep their independent PP values used in season 1, aside from these the other catogories would consist of just 1 car each which defeats the object of it i guess.
The only other thing ive seen so far that im not convinced about is the race at tsukuba....yikes! It'll be bad enough in GT300 let alone GT500! I know we are trying to stick to real world tracks but GVS provides great racing in these car classes and would be of much higher value than tsukuba in my opinion, failing that even the short tracks at suzuka or the nurburgring.
I'll be happy with the final decision regardless, 1 track wont make me quit on this series!
Im back after some time away over easter, glad to see the failings of psn coincided nicely with this
Have been working my way through all of the posts and there are some great ideas out there.
About the categorising of cars, i like it for GT500 and it makes good sense however im not sure it's possible for GT300 as there isnt the same multiple versions of identical cars with different liverys like there is in GT500.
Ok you could maybe group the 2 rx7's and the 2 garaiyas together but they would still have to keep their independent PP values used in season 1, aside from these the other catogories would consist of just 1 car each which defeats the object of it i guess.
The only other thing ive seen so far that im not convinced about is the race at tsukuba....yikes! It'll be bad enough in GT300 let alone GT500! I know we are trying to stick to real world tracks but GVS provides great racing in these car classes and would be of much higher value than tsukuba in my opinion, failing that even the short tracks at suzuka or the nurburgring.
I'll be happy with the final decision regardless, 1 track wont make me quit on this series!
- 4,881
- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
@Paginas: Yes, the Lexus has lost a lot of power. But I was testing in OFF-line, so the result may look different when we get back ON-line. The weight/bhp/pp stated above came out great lap-time-wise. If it will look the same ON-line, I don't know.
@Scanny_Flick: Welcome back
Yep, the GT300's will simply pick a specific car instead of a category.
Tsukuba could be a great race. I understand your concern, especially for the GT500 class. But a lot of GT300 drivers wants that track. I was a bit insecure, since I want the 2 classes to race the same tracks, and Tsukuba was to tight for GT500's was my first thought. But the more I was thinking about it, I came to the conclution that all drivers know eachother pretty well, and are fair and clean. With that in mind, we decided to go with Tsukube. So that's why it's in for the next season.
The Original GT tracks will be used during the finals (Probably Madrid, Rome and Trial mountain/Deep forest).
I found a car in the UCD the other day:
Is it possible to include the Lexus IS 200 GT-1 '04 in the GT300 car list?
The car can be upgraded with engine stage 3, and turbo stage 3 wich will boost it up to:
380 bhp
weight: 1010 kg.
It needs to be restricted with the Power Limiter ofc, but can someone please test it later when PSN is back up. Just say if you're interested in testing it and I'll send it to you when PSN returns. Aderrrm?
GT500 testing: I've added a few more to the list for you guys to try out:
Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
Compl. stock
1100 kg
518 bhp
610 pp
PL: -
Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA
Turbo stage 2
1150 kg
499 bhp
616 pp
PL: 92,3%
Honda ARTA NSX
Engine stage 3
1100 kg
503 bhp
601 pp
PL: 92,4%
Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
503 bhp
609 pp
PL: 95,6%
Toyota YELLOWHAT YMS SUPRA
Engine stage 3
1090 kg
534 bhp
608 pp
PL: -
Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Stock
1100 kg
508 bhp
618 pp
PL: 95,1%
Feel free to try these cars out at any track and have a say. 👍
@Scanny_Flick: Welcome back
Yep, the GT300's will simply pick a specific car instead of a category.
Tsukuba could be a great race. I understand your concern, especially for the GT500 class. But a lot of GT300 drivers wants that track. I was a bit insecure, since I want the 2 classes to race the same tracks, and Tsukuba was to tight for GT500's was my first thought. But the more I was thinking about it, I came to the conclution that all drivers know eachother pretty well, and are fair and clean. With that in mind, we decided to go with Tsukube. So that's why it's in for the next season.
The Original GT tracks will be used during the finals (Probably Madrid, Rome and Trial mountain/Deep forest).
I found a car in the UCD the other day:
Is it possible to include the Lexus IS 200 GT-1 '04 in the GT300 car list?
The car can be upgraded with engine stage 3, and turbo stage 3 wich will boost it up to:
380 bhp
weight: 1010 kg.
It needs to be restricted with the Power Limiter ofc, but can someone please test it later when PSN is back up. Just say if you're interested in testing it and I'll send it to you when PSN returns. Aderrrm?
GT500 testing: I've added a few more to the list for you guys to try out:
Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
Compl. stock
1100 kg
518 bhp
610 pp
PL: -
Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA
Turbo stage 2
1150 kg
499 bhp
616 pp
PL: 92,3%
Honda ARTA NSX
Engine stage 3
1100 kg
503 bhp
601 pp
PL: 92,4%
Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
503 bhp
609 pp
PL: 95,6%
Toyota YELLOWHAT YMS SUPRA
Engine stage 3
1090 kg
534 bhp
608 pp
PL: -
Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Stock
1100 kg
508 bhp
618 pp
PL: 95,1%
Feel free to try these cars out at any track and have a say. 👍
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- England
- WilliamsJIM_Adam
I remember testing the IS200 GT1 in pre-season and it was slow. But I tested it for proof anyway.
Car - Time - BHP - Weight - PP - Top speed home straight - Speed at apex of 1st Schumacher S - Top speed back straight - Mods
IS200 GT1 - 2:03.253 - 380 - 1010 - 533 - 149.5 - 104 - 147 - All engine tuning and stage 3 turbo
You can compare it to the other cars here.
Seemed to be slow even without being power limited, probably because it only has 20/50 aero whereas all the other gt300 cars have 35/60.
Car - Time - BHP - Weight - PP - Top speed home straight - Speed at apex of 1st Schumacher S - Top speed back straight - Mods
IS200 GT1 - 2:03.253 - 380 - 1010 - 533 - 149.5 - 104 - 147 - All engine tuning and stage 3 turbo
You can compare it to the other cars here.
Seemed to be slow even without being power limited, probably because it only has 20/50 aero whereas all the other gt300 cars have 35/60.
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- Kent/England
- Paginas
Going a little bit off topic but i want to talk about stewards plus if anyone is wanting to sign up to help...
GT500 Main/Quali/Race Stewards
Chorda
Paginas
Nycrom
GT500 Mini Stewards
Wardez
OwensRacing
GT300 Main/Quali/Race Stewards
Moleman
Hortiux
GT300 Mini Stewards
I dunno if Mini is the right word to use but i cant think at mo so thats my best suggestion lol
GT500 Main/Quali/Race Stewards
Chorda
Paginas
Nycrom
GT500 Mini Stewards
Wardez
OwensRacing
GT300 Main/Quali/Race Stewards
Moleman
Hortiux
GT300 Mini Stewards
I dunno if Mini is the right word to use but i cant think at mo so thats my best suggestion lol
- 4,881
- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
Ok, so it's a bit slow then. That's a shame, would've been great with another car to the GT300 grid.
Perhaps a stupid question, but did you upgrade it with fully adjustasble suspention, fully adjustable gearbox, manifold, titanium exhaust, and everything else that can be bought for the car?
@Paginas: Yes, it's good to have a solid organization. And sorting out stewards is a must. But as you, I'm not so sure about the word "mini" steward. I'd say we use "Stewards" and Capable hosts" as the two different categorys:
Stewards:
Wardez
Paginas
Nycrom
Denilson
Andil
Hortus IX?
GTP_Aderrrm?
competizione?
This will make us 8, with 4 from each class.
Capable hosts (Will act as stewards if reqired, and can host, specatate and varify quali-laps and races if needed. Can also act as a race steward and decide penalties if asked to do so by a steward):
OwensRacing?
GTP_monoha?
Scanny_Flick?
Shrugging_Atlas?
With 12 stewards/capable hosts, it will always be easy to find someone who can spectate and varify your quali.
As you can see, a lot of drivers is marked with a question mark. That's because I need confirmation that you're motivated to be a steward/host. A few more that I had in mind:
JPzer?
Joshua1994?
C-Falcon89?
KamyKaze1098?
It's no "ranking" in any whay. Just wrote down the stewards/capable hosts with the names that just popped up in my head.
And if someone that is not listed want to be a capable host, just say. 👍
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- 2,076
- Portugal
- KamyKaze1098
I will gladly help with qualifying. 👍
I don't think i should judge race incidents though, as I may be a little to rude handing out penalties.
lol
I don't think i should judge race incidents though, as I may be a little to rude handing out penalties.
lol
- 7,711
- Indiana-USA
- OwensRacing
Denilson, I am in for helping where needed.
- 2,977
- England
- WilliamsJIM_Adam
Yep. The only thing I didn't buy was fully adjustable suspension because my tuning skills only go as far height adjustable sports kit.
I changed it a bit anyway. There would be no point trying to gain 3 seconds by tuning the suspension, especially as I didn't tune the other gt300 cars that much. The main problem for the car is aero.I'd glad to help out by varifying someone's quali lap, but my internet's not good enough to host. 👍
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- Shrugging_Atlas
Denilson, I'll be glad to help when needed as a steward/capable host. I enjoy watching and analyzing the replays almost as much as driving.
About the touring cars...the IS200 touring car is definitely too slow. The BMW 320i touring car is a little faster but still too slow for the GT300 class.
About the touring cars...the IS200 touring car is definitely too slow. The BMW 320i touring car is a little faster but still too slow for the GT300 class.
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- Northampton
- C-Falcon89
Steward, I can help but as a host I am unable to.
