WSGTC 2 discussion

[Adam41]

about the silvia it is legal to use it is a jgtc car but it is desperatly slow i mean 3 seconds slower minimum around suzuka

👍 The C-WEST Silvia can't be used. It's simply just too slow - even with a stage 2 turbo.

In my opinion we should stick to the 6 gt300 cars we already have, 2 of which are JGTC cars. If we made the IS350 and Impreza more competitive then people will be spoilt for choice.

I've done a bit more testing... on Nurburgring GP/F. All cars have fully broken in engines. I've kept the tunes pretty much stock, except for a few minor changes like taking off the standard 0.2 rear toe, and changing the transmission to suit the track. I lapped each car until I felt I was at a certain limit and I know Nurb really well, so don't think I put these times together in half an hour.

Car - Time - BHP - Weight - PP - Top speed home straight - speed at apex of 1st schumacher S - top speed back straight - Mods

ARTA -- 2:00.298 - 348 - 1175 - 536 - 144 - 110 - 141
RX-7 -- 2:00.937 - 335 - 1100 - 533 - 144.5 - 110 - 141
Celica - 2:01.020 - 322 - 1050 - 541 - 144 - 109 - 140
MR-S -- 2:01.685 - 315 - 1125 - 531 - 144 - 108 - 140
IS350 - 2:02.276 - 333 - 1150 - 539 - 139.5 - 107 - 136 - stock
Impreza 2:02.880 - 333 - 1100 - 539 - 140 - 107 - 138 - stock

Impreza 2:01.621 - 354 - 1100 - 552 - 144 - 110 - 141 - stage 2 turbo
Impreza 2:00.222 - 388 - 1100 - 561 - 147 - 111 - 144 - stage 3 turbo

IS350 - 2:00.243 - 372 - 1150 - 555 - 143.5 - 110 - 140 - stage 3 engine tuning

This was done in offline practice mode with PSN being down, so of course each car will behave differently in online open lobby with the different tire physics (especially the Impreza, hardly feels you've got 90/10 torque distribution when you're driving offline). Just for comparison anyway. If you want me to try out any other cars we're considering for WSGTC 2 give me a shout.

 

[Andil]

Nice stuff Aderrrm. The IS350 looks spot on in terms of lap time and top speeds! I would love to use that car next season. Maybe the Impreza is a tiny bit quick in a straight line with the S3 Turbo, perhaps delimit the power a little and see if that helps?

But nice, think I'm not the only one who'd want to say thanks for that info!

 

[Adam41]

No problem at all. Yeah I know what you mean about the stage 3 turbo impreza. Hopefully when I can test online, the stage 2 turbo impreza will be on par with the other cars in terms of handling and cornering seeing as it's similar on straight line speeds. Like I said before, 90/10 torque distribution on the impreza offline is nearly non-existent. Or we could try a power limiter on the stage 3 impreza.

Alright I'm going out drinking now.

 

[Joshua1994]

yeah, real nice post aderrrm, think i may consider switching to gt300 then next season!

 

[competizione]

looks good but what about limiting all cars to more realistic hp and then upgrade the cars so we get closer to real rules. i will begin testing soon to see if i can get a good balance in lap times

 

[Joshua1994]

I know this is completely off topic, but i dont understand why when the HSV replaced the NSX, yet, the NSX was incorporated in GT5

 

[Andil]

The HSV was a car for the beginning of the 2010 season, I'd imagine it was too late for Polyphony to include it in the game. Shame, though.

 

[Joshua1994]

The HSV was a car for the beginning of the 2010 season, I'd imagine it was too late for Polyphony to include it in the game. Shame, though.

I guess, but according to SUPERGT.net, Gran Turismo are a sponsor of the championship, so it would of kinda made sense if they had access to it before hand, if that makes sense. Well all we can hope for is DLC..

 

[OwensRacing]

Oh lawd Super GT DLC would be so hot.

FIA GT cars too please. Or allow more RMs that spec as GT cars.

 

[Denilson]

If you want me to try out any other cars we're considering for WSGTC 2 give me a shout.

Would you mind trying out a stock and run-in CALSONIC GT-R and compare that time with the Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA '97, Toyota Yellowhat SUPRA, Honda EPSON NSX, Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430, Lexus ENEOS SC430 and the Nissan CLARION ADVAN WOODONE GT-R. And it would also be interesting to see a comparison with any of the NSX's exept the EPSON, the NISMO Z and a Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430 with a stage 2 turbo downtuned to 614 PP with the powerlimiter.

A lot of cars. I don't expect you to test them all. Just putting them up there for you to see which cars we are concidering/need to improve.

Thanks 👍

About the IMPREZA in your tests Aderrrm. I think it looks pretty good. Sure, it's 3 mph faster down the long straight, but that's pretty much the way it looks when we compare the NSX to the GT-R. Maybee just use the powerlimiter to bring it down a few PP. Let's say around 557-558. Would you mind test the IMPREZA with those PP's?

 

[Denilson]

I've read all suggestions and would like to comment some of them:

- Randomly assign what class to participate in next race: I like the idea. But when I sign up for GT500's, I want do drive a GT500. Forcing me to drive in a class I did not tend to race in (for whatever reason) would take some of my joy away. I really hear you about it beeing fun to race against drivers in the other class, but if we are going to make that happen, my strong belief is that it will cost to much in terms of drivers that are "forced" to run a class they did not sign up for. Make sure to end up in the top 4, and you'll race the fastest drivers from the other class for the total win. 👍

- Put a limit to how many drivers can drive the same car: Since we are going to make all eligable cars evenly matched (more even than they already are), I really think that we can put a limit for how many drivers that can pick one car. Sure, someone might end up in a car that he did not tend to race in, but he will be assigned to a car that is equal in performance as the one he did not get to pick. And: Yes, it will be an first come first serve. Not now, but when the official WSGTC 2-thread pops up. We need to decide if we are going to let each car be picked by 2 or 3 drivers.
By setting the limit to 2 drivers/car, we automaticly get teams. And we could bring teams in to WSGTC 2 as well. I think it would be a nice feature.
But if we are going to race with teams, we need to make sure that atleast 8 cars are equal in the GT300 class. GT500 already got enough eligable cars that will be equal at the moment. 👍

@competizione: I think that we should keep as many cars as possible in it's stock form. Adding and removing weight and HP will only confuse and make it harder to make the cars equal. At the moment we've used the Autobacs ARTA GARAIYA and GT-R (not the AUTECH MOTUL or CLARION ADVAN WOODONE) as benchmarks. It's nice and easy to have a car that we use to compare to when deciding what tune and PP that suits cars that are off pace, or too fast. It just gets messy if we are going to make the field more even with nothing to use as a benchmark. We know quite much about the cars overall performance after this 1st season, and my strong belief is that by using our knowledge about the cars, we'll end up with a great set of cars to choose from by just aiming at the benchmark cars when we try to determine what has to be done to various cars to make them equal.

RM cars: Well, the only reason I brought a RM car in to this Championship is because it's the closest one to end up in the middle of the two classes we will run. To make the finals as equal as possible. At the moment, I don't think we should add any RM car in to the actual championship, and defenetly not in to the GT500 class. I may concider 1 or 2 RM cars for the GT300 class IF we can't get enough of the already eligable cars on an equal level.

- Different tracks same week for the 2 classes. I like the idea, but I don't like it... ehhhh.. The championship contains two different classes, yes. But it will be a bit of a hassle when hosting quali-sessions. It will also separate the two classes even more. On the other hand, if we are talking about one race during the whole season it might not matter that much. I'm really not sure how to deal with this.

- Different tyre types/forced to change compound during the mandatory pit-stop. Since the wear between the diferent tyre types is almost identical, the only strategie that would come in to play is to make a pit stop as fast as possible. This, and that it's easy to make a mistake and put on the wrong compound during a stressful pit in combination that it's impossible to police makes me want to keep it to Racing Hards only for this season as well.

- Damage: I do understand that it's really frustrating to get damage early in a lap, especially the nurburgring ... I also agree that we got very clean and fair drivers in this Championship, no doubt about it. But, my experiance is that when the damage is set to heavy, the racing becomes more realistic, and not to "arcady"... Even if all of us can handle the heavy damage, it will make us more aggressive with it set to "light". The type of racing that we got now is really nice and tidy. No overly aggressive moves, only some rubbing, which are totally fine. By removing the heavy damage the rubbing may turn in to more of a crash/push someone off. And since we all can handle the heavy damage well, I don't see any reason to change it to "light".

- Ballast: I think that we should use ballast as a success penalty. I don't like the idea of adding weight for every podium one driver gets. I'm more towards looking at the standings table only. So even if you win a race, but your position in the total is 4th, your next race will also be run without ballast. I don't know exactly what levels to use as ballast. But something like 1st in the overall standings will get 50 kg of ballast, 2nd in the overall standings will get 30 kg of ballast, and 3rd in the overall standings will get 10 kg of ballast. No ballast will be used during quali, only during the race. Part because the raceresult from the previous week is not yet official when the quali for next round begins, and part because it will have to much impact if the next race is a "mixed class" race, forcing the leader in to D2. I don't think that the success ballast should be that much of a handikap.

I'd just like to state, that non of the above is decided. It's just my view on things this far. 👍

Please, keep on discussing. Thanks. 👍

 

[JPzer]

- Randomly assign what class to participate in next race:

I like the idea very much and I would be up for it, but it complexify (if its even a word) every thing else, like the ballast system proposed further down or the limit of drivers per car etc..

- Put a limit to how many drivers can drive the same car:

IMO its a must. I am not so sure too about the (first come, first serve) aspect..

Since there is a lot a wsgtc 1 members that are interrested, we could go with the standing of wsgtc 1 to pick the cars. Or a timeattack session like our current qualification session.

Or if we want to make it more fair, we could reverse the score board (first get last..)

I think the car choice / team make up is a fun aspect and i think that we can do better then first come first serve

- Different tracks same week for the 2 classes.

For one track maybe.. but i don't really see the point

- Different tyre types/forced to change compound during the mandatory pit-stop.

I would stick with racing hard only, because it dosen't add a lot to the pit strategy and its always fun to see the best overall lap. ( Would be way faster then qualification with better tyres)

- Damage:

I think that it is great like it is right now, you have to be very carefull (like in real life), thats perfect.

- Ballast:

This is a very interresting feature and we have to use it !!

The problem here with your idea den, is that the fastest racer is not always the number one on the board. (missed some races wich put him lower on the board)

I am not sure yet what is the better solution,but here is my idea

Each time you win ~1/2/3 you have to put ~50/30/10 kg more on your car. And each time you win you add more weigth. It would be trackable with the score board. (we could add a column to the board that shows the weigth of the ballast for each driver)

EXEMPLE:

If you win 3 races you will be at 150 kg.

If you finish first, third and second you will be at 90 kg.

Its a little bit complex but I still think its very managable.

This way, we should close up the gaps and have a very very tight score board.

You wont see a driver get the pole over and over and over with this system

PS. I think the qualification should be done with the car stock. (no ballast)
The pole is always very important and it would show who is the fastest driver.

BTW i think that we should keep 2 hot lap during qualification

JP

 

[Joshua1994]

Agreed with everything JP said. About the limit to car rules, instead of first come first serve, maybe do a randomise in that category? so for example, the petronas and the denilson sc430 are the exact same spec just with different liverys right? well, im sure some of the gtrs and nsx's are the same, so why not just do a random selection for the driver?

And about the tracks, aslong as Monzas added, im happy

 

[Andil]

Agree with everything JP said too!

Also just a note on ballast: Important to remember that 200kg is the maximum amount you can add to a car, so it's quite possible that a lot of cars will have maximum ballast by the latter part of the season - I guess that's ok, but just wanted to point it out.

 

[Denilson]

Great points JP. 👍

- Randomly assign what class to participate in next race:

I like the idea very much and I would be up for it, but it complexify (if its even a word) every thing else, like the ballast system proposed further down or the limit of drivers per car etc..

- Don't think that we should be forced in to another class. Part because of the complexity, part because you (in most cases) want to race in the class that you signed up for, part because it will make the diversity of the grid impossible to manage, part because the team idea will go down the drain.


Denilson
- Put a limit to how many drivers can drive the same car:

IMO its a must. I am not so sure too about the (first come, first serve) aspect..

Since there is a lot a wsgtc 1 members that are interrested, we could go with the standing of wsgtc 1 to pick the cars. Or a timeattack session like our current qualification session.

Or if we want to make it more fair, we could reverse the score board (first get last..)

I think the car choice / team make up is a fun aspect and i think that we can do better then first come first serve

- Ok, let's do it like this: Everyone can pick any car. When all have done their choices, and we end up with (lets say) 4 drivers on one car, the only fair way is to go by the standingstable from WSGTC 1. But we can't just use it as it looks. It would make tony1311 (if he will participate) to pick pretty much any car of his liking. How about compare the points gathered devided by the amount of races the driver took place in? Tony 1311 would end up with the highest average points/race and would be the one who got the last pick? What about drivers that did not participate in WSGTC 1? Either we'll let them pick first or last. How do you guys feel about that? Since we'll try really hard to make all cars as even as possible, I don't think that the choice of car will be that important.


Denilson
- Different tracks same week for the 2 classes.


For one track maybe.. but i don't really see the point

- Yea, don't see the point either. Would be nice to read some comments from the GT300 guys on this one. (soem of the GT300 drivers have spoken, but where's the rest of you guys? Please, have a say. 👍 )


Denilson
- Different tyre types/forced to change compound during the mandatory pit-stop.

I would stick with racing hard only, because it dosen't add a lot to the pit strategy and its always fun to see the best overall lap. ( Would be way faster then qualification with better tyres)

- Yes, Racing Hards only is the best way if you ask me to.



Denilson
- Damage:

I think that it is great like it is right now, you have to be very carefull (like in real life), thats perfect.

- Yep, totally agree 👍


Denilson
- Ballast:

This is a very interresting feature and we have to use it !!

The problem here with your idea den, is that the fastest racer is not always the number one on the board. (missed some races wich put him lower on the board)

I am not sure yet what is the better solution,but here is my idea

Each time you win ~1/2/3 you have to put ~50/30/10 kg more on your car. And each time you win you add more weigth. It would be trackable with the score board. (we could add a column to the board that shows the weigth of the ballast for each driver)

EXEMPLE:

If you win 3 races you will be at 150 kg.

If you finish first, third and second you will be at 90 kg.

Its a little bit complex but I still think its very managable.

This way, we should close up the gaps and have a very very tight score board.

You wont see a driver get the pole over and over and over with this system

PS. I think the qualification should be done with the car stock. (no ballast)
The pole is always very important and it would show who is the fastest driver.

- Well, the problem the way I see it is that I don't want to penalize the fastest driver, I want to make sure the the overall leader don't brake away in the total standings. We could do compromize and do it like I suggested for the car-choice. Just devide the amount of points with the number of races done. The highest average will get a 50 kg ballast, the next highest average will recieve 30 kg of ballast, and the 3rd best average will race with 10 kg of ballast. And if none of the 3 drivers that got the highest average points do not show for that particular race, no driver will run with any ballast. How about that?

BTW i think that we should keep 2 hot lap during qualification

- Yes, we'll stay with the same format as we already got. Only thing that will change is that we'll have more drivers that can spectate and host a quali-session, and that we'll extend the deadline for 24 hours. Is that ok with everyone?

 

[competizione]

i have been testing quit alot on tsukuba and my system looks pretty good there are just over a tenth between the 5 cars tested

 

[JPzer]

- Well, the problem the way I see it is that I don't want to penalize the fastest driver, I want to make sure the the overall leader don't brake away in the total standings. We could do compromize and do it like I suggested for the car-choice. Just devide the amount of points with the number of races done. The highest average will get a 50 kg ballast, the next highest average will recieve 30 kg of ballast, and the 3rd best average will race with 10 kg of ballast. And if none of the 3 drivers that got the highest average points do not show for that particular race, no driver will run with any ballast. How about that?

Hmm I don't see it like penalizing the drivers, I see this as bringing up the competition. And eventually all drivers will have ballast.

This is a very bad exemple but still shows a point: Like in wsgtc 1, tony1311 join in for only 1 race and win. If you take the average points made, he will always be on top.

And what if the board leader still manage to be very fast with 50 kg added ?

With the permenant ballast system, it should auto balance the board and be a very very hard series to win. There is no way a driver can be faster then every one else with 100+ kg added to his car

We could also give a minor point bonus to the total ballast added at the end of the season. If a driver manage to get it capped to 200kg, he should have a minor advantage on the championship, maybe 1 point per 10 kg ? for a maximum of 20 points.

In my previous post I said 50/30/10, but this should be tested before. I don't know the real influence the ballast would have on the lap time.

If we chose the system that denilson is proposing, we should also test it, 50 might not be the way to go. (I would say higher in this situation)

It would be nice to ear from every one else. I think this is a very great tool to bring up the competition and even out the drivers.

 

[UAE_ReDLiNe]

I like the ideas JP put forth, however not too sure about the ballast system as it would be very difficult to police as well as not making alot of difference to races (for example 10kg). The cars should be maximum of 3 drivers per car(2 drivers limits the amount of participants we can have) and just randomise the selection after WSGTC 1 drivers have already picked their cars (NSX for me )



EDIT: I'm guessing since the PSN is down there is no race tonight

 

[JPzer]

however not too sure about the ballast system as it would be very difficult to police as well as not making alot of difference to races (for example 10kg)

I am not to sure about that, it would be more complex but still very managable, we could add in the score board a column that states the ballast weigth of each driver. Then we could find the right pp for each drivers and do as we always do prior to the race.

For the influence of the ballast, we have to test this. 10 kg might not have a big influence right away but 10+0+30+10+50 will eventually make a difference trough out the serie, so if we do things right, its should auto balance itself.

 

[Denilson]

I'm all for your idea but one thing JP. I don't like the fact that a car can weigh 200 kg more than another car. It's simply to much if you ask me. Could we come up with an idea that removes ballast after a sertain amout of missed podiums or something? Let's say if I win the first race at Suzuka and get a 50 kg penalty. If I miss the podium for the next two races, I can remove 20 kg/race until I hit a podium again. Let's say I end up 3rd in race 4 it would look something like this:
Race 1. Start race with 0 kg ballast. I take first place.
Race 2. Start race with 50 kg ballast, end up in 5th.
Race 3. Strat race with 50 kg ballast, end up in 7th.
Race 4. Start race with 30 kg ballast, end up in 3rd.
Race 5. Start race with 40 kg ballast..

But if you keep hitting podiums, it would look something like this:
Race 1. Start with 0 kg ballast, end up in 1st.
Race 2. Start with 50 kg ballast, end up in 2nd (30 kg penalty).
Race 3. Start with 80 kg ballast, end up in 3rd (10 kg penalty).
Race 4. Start with 90 kg ballast, end up in 5th.
Race 5. Start with 90 kg ballast, end up in 6th.
Race 6. Start with 70 kg ballast, end up in 4th.
Race 7. Start with 50 kg ballast, end up in 3rd.
Race 8. Start with 60 kg ballast, end up in whatever, and so on.

You see my point?

Or should it be better if we could remove weight as soon as we miss a podium, not need to miss the podium twice as I suggested above?
Something like this:
Race 1. Start with 0 kg ballast, ends up in 1st.
Race 2. Start with 50 kg ballast, ends up in 4th.
Race 3. Start with 30 kg ballast, ends up in 3rd.
Race 4. Start with 40 kg ballast, ends up in .....

I think I like the one where you cen remove weight as soon as you miss a podium. Or is it better if I need to miss the podium twice bofore beeing able to remove ballast?

Does this sound like a good idea?

 

[OwensRacing]

Remove the max added for each missed podium IMO. So basically you could get 1st and then 4th and start third race with no weight penalty.

The weight penalty is gracious enough to others that it should be removed by max added amounts.

 

[JPzer]

Or should it be better if we could remove weight as soon as we miss a podium, not need to miss the podium twice as I suggested above?
Something like this:
Race 1. Start with 0 kg ballast, ends up in 1st.
Race 2. Start with 50 kg ballast, ends up in 4th.
Race 3. Start with 30 kg ballast, ends up in 3rd.
Race 4. Start with 40 kg ballast, ends up in .....

I think I like the one where you cen remove weight as soon as you miss a podium. Or is it better if I need to miss the podium twice bofore beeing able to remove ballast?

Does this sound like a good idea?

This is a great idea !! If you keep getting on the podium it will get harder and harder but if for some reason you can't reach the podium anymore it will be easier and easier !! I like it !!👍

I would also go with the one that you can remove the weigth as soon as you miss the podium

Remove the max added for each missed podium IMO. So basically you could get 1st and then 4th and start third race with no weight penalty.

The weight penalty is gracious enough to others that it should be removed by max added amounts.

Hmm I see your point here but if we want a "self balance" system, i think it would be to agressive to remove the max amounts of weigth.

Look at the problem like it was a damping problem. You want a quick response in the system with minimal overshoot and a quick stabilisation. If you are to agressive with the initial weigth added, you will overshoot, if you are not enough you will under shoot. If you are to agressive with the weigth removed, the system will never be stable (or balanced) if you are not enough it will be very long for the system to balance. We have to find the right values to add and remove.

BTW I have looked the current wsgtc 1 board and with this system, I would be at race 7 at 190 kg.. wich shows that 50/30/10 might be close to what we need.. there is no way that after 2 win i would be able to keep it up and finish 3 more time on the podium like i did in wsgtc 1.

 

[Denilson]

Ok, great!
I don't know about the weights yet. JPzer would be at 190 kg with this system in WSGTC 1. However, since he did not carry any extra load on his way to round 9, I doubt that he would carry 190 kg at this point. With that in mind, do we like the "50/30/10" idea, or should it be more or less. I actually like that 3rd place does'nt get to much ballast. I think 10 kg is perfect for 3rd 👍 Perhaps 10/35/60 is a good system?

And each time you miss a podium, you may remove 20 kg from your car.

I'd also like to suggest another rule that's related to the ballast system.
If you do not participate in a race where you had (lets say) 40 kg ballast. Your ballast will stay until you race. Ballast can only be removed as long as you have started a race with your penalty.
Or does it matter?

 

[Adam41]

I thought it would be more simple to just give 100/75/50/30/10 kg to who ever is 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th in the points table. But anyway.

I think we should keep car choice and class open too. Just encourage people to use different cars and everything will be fine. Especially as we're making other cars more competitive in WSGTC 2. 👍

GT300
Car - Time - BHP - Weight - PP - Top speed home straight - speed at apex of 1st schumacher S - top speed back straight - Mods

Impreza 2:00.222 - 388 - 1100 - 561 - 147 - 111 - 144 - stage 3 turbo
IS350 - 2:00.243 - 372 - 1150 - 555 - 143.5 - 110 - 140 - stage 3 engine tuning
Garaiya 2:00.298 - 348 - 1175 - 536 - 144 - 110 - 141
Impreza 2:00.409 - 372 - 1100 - 555 - 146 - 111 - 143 - stage 3 turbo, power limited 96.0%
RX-7 P- 2:00.937 - 335 - 1100 - 533 - 144.5 - 110 - 141
Celica - 2:01.020 - 322 - 1050 - 541 - 144 - 109 - 140
RX-7 S- 2:01.269 - 333 - 1100 - 533 - 144 - 109 - 140.5
MR-S -- 2:01.685 - 315 - 1125 - 531 - 144 - 108 - 140
IS350 - 2:02.276 - 333 - 1150 - 539 - 139.5 - 107 - 136 - stock
Impreza 2:02.880 - 333 - 1100 - 539 - 140 - 107 - 138 - stock

Power limiter seemed to work on the Impreza. I tried 557-558 pp but it was still doing similar straight line speeds - 555 seemed to work. It's now doing 1mph less down the straights but it has a broader power band now so that's why it's still close to the non-power limited impreza - which is a good thing.

I tested the standard RX-7 aswell for reference. I'm sure I had a standard Garaiya and Impreza aswell but obviously not.

I'll try and get them gt500's done for you, but seeing as I only have 5 of the ones you mentioned it will take me some time to break them in, get the money for them and then eventually test them.

 

[Denilson]

I thought it would be more simple to just give 100/75/50/30/10 kg to who ever is 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th in the points table. But anyway.

I think we should keep car choice and class open too. Just encourage people to use different cars and everything will be fine. Especially as we're making other cars more competitive in WSGTC 2. 👍

GT300
Car - Time - BHP - Weight - PP - Top speed home straight - speed at apex of 1st schumacher S - top speed back straight - Mods

Impreza 2:00.222 - 388 - 1100 - 561 - 147 - 111 - 144 - stage 3 turbo
IS350 - 2:00.243 - 372 - 1150 - 555 - 143.5 - 110 - 140 - stage 3 engine tuning
ARTA -- 2:00.298 - 348 - 1175 - 536 - 144 - 110 - 141
Impreza 2:00.409 - 372 - 1100 - 555 - 146 - 111 - 143 - stage 3 turbo, power limited 96.0%
RX-7 P- 2:00.937 - 335 - 1100 - 533 - 144.5 - 110 - 141
Celica - 2:01.020 - 322 - 1050 - 541 - 144 - 109 - 140
RX-7 S- 2:01.269 - 333 - 1100 - 533 - 144 - 109 - 140.5
MR-S -- 2:01.685 - 315 - 1125 - 531 - 144 - 108 - 140
IS350 - 2:02.276 - 333 - 1150 - 539 - 139.5 - 107 - 136 - stock
Impreza 2:02.880 - 333 - 1100 - 539 - 140 - 107 - 138 - stock

Power limiter seemed to work on the Impreza. I tried 557-558 pp but it was still doing similar straight line speeds - 555 seemed to work. It's now doing 1mph less down the straights but it has a broader power band now so that's why it's still close to the non-power limited impreza - which is a good thing.

I tested the standard RX-7 aswell for reference. I'm sure I had a standard Garaiya and Impreza aswell but obviously not.

I'll try and get them gt500's done for you, but seeing as I only have 5 of the ones you mentioned it will take me some time to break them in, get the money for them and then eventually test them.

When PSN is up and running, I can send you the GT500's we are going to test. I got them all fully broken-in. 👍

Yes, it would be easy to just give the penalty to the first 5 in the standings table. Problem is that we will remove the 2 or 3 worst results. If a guy like tony1311 decidees not to participate in the first 3 races, he will be the fastest driver for a lot of rounds until he catches up. And the option to miss races will become more of a tactic tool than what the rule are actually for (Real life commitment/unable to participate due to what ever reason).

With the rule as in my suggestion, a guy like tony1311 would recieve a penalty instantly. I'd say that your suggestion is good, but if we are going to use that one, we can't have the possibility to remove races any moore. And I think that we really need to have that option. Guess all of us will miss a race or two during the season. We need to have this option, part to keep the championship alive, and part because drivers won't feel like they can't catch up and perhaps leave/loose interest in the Championship.

EDIT: I would also suggest that the ballast penalies for GT300's will be smaller than for the GT500. It will have a big impact on the slower/weaker GT300's compared to the GT500's.

GT500: 60/35/10 (20 kg off if the driver miss the podium)
GT300: 40/25/10 (10 kg off if the driver miss the podium)

How does that sound?

EDIT 2: About the car testing: Great job Aderrrm! 👍
GT300's are being tested by Aderrrm at the moment. And it looks like we are going to make the cars equal.
GT500's: Well, no testing has yet begun. Only thing I'm pretty sure we'll have to do is to allow all GT-R's to run with 610 PP. That would give the AUTECH MOTUL and WOODONE CLARION ADVAN drivers the possibility to tune their cars.
Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R: Stock - 610 PP - 518 HP
Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R: Stock - 610 PP - 518 HP
Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R: Stock - 610 PP - 518 HP
Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R: Engine stage 3 - 610 PP - 515 HP (with the power limiter, better tourqu curve)
Nissan WOODONE CLARION ADVAN GT-R: Turbo stage 2 - 610 PP - 531 HP (with the power limiter)

Just have to say that I'm not sure about the WOODONE CLARION ADVAN GT-R, it's very hard to drive even in offline-mode. Need to test more on-line.

I tested the AUTECH and WOODONE offline with 610 PP, and it turned out great. I'll just have to wait until PSN is up and running to confirm my findings. I've also done some testing with the XANAVI Z and the 2 SUPRAS. Pretty good results there to so far. But then angain, need to wait for PSN to come back alive to confirm.

 

[competizione]

GT300's are being tested by Aderrrm at the moment.

i do also some testing but with less power i will get some results up in 1 or 2 days

 

[Denilson]

i do also some testing but with less power i will get some results up in 1 or 2 days

Ok, great. It would be great if you could test the cars with equal weight. GT300's are much more sensitive for weight, and since the crs are already separated by quite much (in weight), the ballast system might come out wrong. So you think you could test with all cars at the same weight? The heaviest GT300 is 1175 right? Well, as long as you use the heaviest car as "base", and then try to make all cars even with that one in weight, and the power is the tool to bring them closer. What do you think of that?

EDIT: Also, I think we should pick our cars like this:
We split up the cars in category A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K

Category: A
Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R
Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R

Category: B
Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R

Category: C
Nissan WOODONE CLARION ADVAN GT-R

Category: D
Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z

Category: E
Honda ARTA NSX
Honda RAYBRING NSX
Honda TAKATA DOME NSX

Category: F
Honda EPSON NSX

Category: G
Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
Lexus DENSO DUNLOP SC430

Category: H
Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430

Category: I
Lexus ENEOS SC430

Category: J
Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA

Category: K
Toyota YELLOWHAT SUPRA

I've placed the very similar cars in the same category as you can see. Everyone post his 3 categorys of choice, whith the category you'd like the most as #1.

From this, we'll hand out the cars as even as possible. If you get a Category A car, (where there are more than 1 specific car), you can discuss among the guys who also got a car from that category wich one you should use. Maximum 2 cars from each livery can be used in WSGTC 2. If you can't come to a mutual agreement, the one who did not get the category that was not his 1st wish can pick first. If both drivers got their first choice of category, the one who ended up last among the 2 of you in WSGTC 1 will pick first.

The only way this method is going to work out, and at the same time be fair is that all (well, almost) categorys are on peoples lists. If everybody pick category i.e E, there is no way everybody will be happy and we have to randomly assign the cars. So to make this method work, we need to put in a great effort in making all cars equal. If we can do that, the method suggested would be the best one. This way, no one will end up in a car that he really did not want to drive.

Same procedure will be used for the GT300's as well. I'll just leave the categorys to Andil or anyone else of the GT300 drivers that know the cars much better than me to sort out.

Hope what I wrote makes any sence..

 

[Denilson]

I've tested a few cars now. And I would like if you guys just did a quick test and see if you like the suggested PP for each model:


(All cars tested with maxed out aero)
Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z: 614 PP (stock, down tuned to 614 PP with the power limiter)
Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430: 620 PP (turbo stage 3, down tuned to 620 PP with the power limiter)
Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R: 610 PP (Engine stage 3, down tuned to 610 PP with the power limiter)
Nissan WOODONE CLARION ADVAN GT-R: 610 PP (turbo stage 3, down tuned to 610 PP with the power limiter)

Car to use for comparison:
Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R (compl stock, 610 PP/518 HP)

 

[Denilson]

WSGTC 2 thread will look something like this:

Post 1.
-Welcome and how to sign up.
-News: Next race, host, track and some info about previous winners, poles and best laps from last season.
Official quali results.
-Drivers list/Teams list
-Season schedule

Post 2
-Eligable cars
-Rules
-Procedures
-Penalty system

Post 3
-Total drivers table
-Total teams table
-Last weeks result
-Below the "last weeks result" I'll post all penalties handed out, how many seconds, warnings and the reason for it. I will not remove any of the listed penalties from this post during the season. It will look something like this when the season is over.

Race 1, Autobacs GP, Suzuka: chorda: 25 seconds, causing avoidable damage. JPzer: Warning, Aggressive driving

Race 2, Mazda GP, Laguna Seca: Wardez: DQ'd, serious breach of track contact

(And so on. It will make it easy to keep track of the peanlties handed out, and details from the races can be found if we need to find it during some point of the season. The official results will always be in the thread for that perticular race)

Is this an ok thread? Did I mis something important that needs to be in it?

 

[JPzer]

WSGTC 2 thread will look something like this:

Post 1.
-Welcome and how to sign up.
-News: Next race, host, track and some info about previous winners, poles and best laps from last season.
Official quali results.
-Drivers list/Teams list
-Season schedule

Post 2
-Eligable cars
-Rules
-Procedures
-Penalty system

Post 3
-Total drivers table
-Total teams table
-Last weeks result
-Below the "last weeks result" I'll post all penalties handed out, how many seconds, warnings and the reason for it. I will not remove any of the listed penalties from this post during the season. It will look something like this when the season is over.

Race 1, Autobacs GP, Suzuka: chorda: 25 seconds, causing avoidable damage. JPzer: Warning, Aggressive driving

Race 2, Mazda GP, Laguna Seca: Wardez: DQ'd, serious breach of track contact

(And so on. It will make it easy to keep track of the peanlties handed out, and details from the races can be found if we need to find it during some point of the season. The official results will always be in the thread for that perticular race)

Is this an ok thread? Did I mis something important that needs to be in it?

Looks great !!