X1 Prototype- WOW!

Puzyaka
Even with super soft tires, unless it's got ginormous rear slicks on rubber coated asphalt, how do you put enough power down to pull anything close to 9 Gs. The car weighs about 500 kilos or so... I think it would just spin the tires...

EDIT: even during cornering, I think about 9 g is about the limit a human body can handle. I wonder if the driver will experience head aches...
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Maybe the HUGE fan creating 1000kg of downforce will help with traction and if that's not enough then the additional 1700kg of aero downforce at 400kph should be enough to achieve the 8.25G's in the corners :dopey:
 
SuperShouden
Right. 'Cause at those forces, driving a 500 mile race in the X-1 would essentially be like doing a 1000miles, since the car is pulling twice the G's. Even with a G-suit, you'd probably be sore and woozy at the end. I would suspect that there would be driver changes if the X1 were to actually race.
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Driver changes would allow for the time needed to change the tyres on this thing.

Can I ask, how did the old Group C cars with wheel covers change their tyres? Was it a system of unscrewing the covers? How long did it take?

Because I would imagine you lose a lot of time in pitstops with this thing.

Were wheel covers deemed illegal by regulation, or did racing teams find it was more beneficial to race without them to save time in the pits?
 
Only problem with the driver changes: you probably wouldn't be able to get back in the car to do another stint once you got out. So you'd need like 5 - 10 drivers depending on the length of the stint/race.
 
So, looks like a standard type cut gear trans is in the car and not a CVT, it also looks like the 249mph top speed was also wrong. Vettel was doing 24xmph when he shifted to 6th and had another 2-3k rpm before redline.
Was the article just another made up story from info floating around the net?

I do love how the CF panels flex and shake when going over bumps and the rumble strips. Veeeeeery nice.
 
Well, the Playstation site essentially mentions that their original design was only able to hit 249mph. I don't know where the Turbine engine came from. But, essentially, Red Bull and PD went back and did some more brain storming and came up with the 280mph, Toboggan of Death that it is now.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this car isn't ever going to actually be produced is it? So from the designs that exist, would it be possible to create a real car with these exact specifications, or is this just a theoretical concept that can't actually be built?
 
nikhil
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this car isn't ever going to actually be produced is it? So from the designs that exist, would it be possible to create a real car with these exact specifications, or is this just a theoretical concept that can't actually be built?
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The car won't be build as far as we know, and yes it's a theoretical concept but based on a realistic possibility ( the technology exists, most of it is banned to use by FIA regulations though ) and with a realistic approach to engineering so in theory it could be build.
Whether it would eventually be completely similar ( as real life development and testing could expose obstacles and issues not apparant in a videogame ) is a question which will probably never be answered unless it's actually build.
 
Even if you build it you're still going to have to find someone willing to strap themselves into that thing. :P It looks scary even in game form so one could only imagine how terrifying it would be to drive in real life.
 
I guess safety would also come to be an issue. F1 regulations have been very restrictive precisely for limiting the cars cornering speed. That's why many tracks were revised, as very fast corners could lead to horrific accidents (old Imola, for instance). You don't want to have reliability problems or a car that doesn't comply with safety regulations if you're cornering around 300 kph.
 
I'm surprised with all the crazy stuff they did to the car that they didn't put KERS in it too. A KERS system might be able to power the fan.

My other curiosity is, how do they get that much power out of a 3000cc engine? The turbos kind of make sense but I've never heard of turbos adding that much HP!(1400hp) Except for a drag car, but those engines are never very reliable, considering they have to be taken apart after each run usually.
 
SolidSnakex
Even if you build it you're still going to have to find someone willing to strap themselves into that thing. :P It looks scary even in game form so one could only imagine how terrifying it would be to drive in real life.
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As scary as that may be, I'm pretty sure there would be many adrenaline junkies willing to drive this prototype. And that's why I appreciate it is made in the framework of a video game, I'd never dare to push a beast like the X1 in real life!
 
im2fst4u
My other curiosity is, how do they get that much power out of a 3000cc engine? The turbos kind of make sense but I've never heard of turbos adding that much HP!(1400hp) Except for a drag car, but those engines are never very reliable, considering they have to be taken apart after each run usually.
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You might like to do some research into the 'turbo-era' of F1 in the eighties where they reached the same levels of horsepower with only 1400 or 1500cc engine capacity.
These engines were often inline-4's from normal production roadcars ( BMW for example ) modified and with a huge turbo bolted on reaching those numbers 25 years ago.
 
im2fst4u
I'm surprised with all the crazy stuff they did to the car that they didn't put KERS in it too. A KERS system might be able to power the fan.

My other curiosity is, how do they get that much power out of a 3000cc engine? The turbos kind of make sense but I've never heard of turbos adding that much HP!(1400hp) Except for a drag car, but those engines are never very reliable, considering they have to be taken apart after each run usually.
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That's precisely how they can justify that power, I think. The 2.5 bar (~ 37 psi) '88 F1 cars still threw out over 650 bhp from 1.5 litres, that power was even limited by the 150 litre fuel capacity. Those engines were rebuilt after every race. Before '88 boost was limited to 4 bar; before '86, there was no limit and fuel regs were comparatively generous.


Many race series require the engine last long enough that such specific outputs are nonsensical, really.

EDIT: the BMW blocks were "seasoned" items obtained from BMW 2002 road cars (etc.), for their specific metallurgy (i.e. they were 🤬 strong!) the rest was far from road-spec ;)
 
Griffith500
EDIT: the BMW blocks were "seasoned" items obtained from BMW 2002 road cars (etc.), for their specific metallurgy (i.e. they were 🤬 strong!) the rest was far from road-spec ;)
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Yes, I only meant the engine blocks, in fact BMW even went to scrapyards and used car lots to source high-mileage ones proven to be good specimens of those 2002 engines ( meaning the high mileage, and state of the engine ofcourse, proved those specific items were faultless or more secured to be faultless compared to those block with low mileage ).
This fact has only relatively recently come to light as it wouldn't be good from a marketing perspective back then that BMW put secondhand or even scrapyard-sourced engines as a basis for their high-tech F1 cars.:)
 
It just dawned on me. I'm sure you all remember the E3 trailer with the carbon fiber oven.

In the end of the trailer, it showed an actual car inside it, yet the X1 doesn't actually exist. Could it be that the car in the oven was the RB6?
 
Centura
Correct, but I would love to be proved wrong.

Correct me if I am wrong, but F1 can reach about 5G, right? And airplanes can reach about 7G or is it even higher?
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Actually some of the more advanced fighter aircraft today are electronically limited to I think it's 8 or 9G's, as that's the physical limit the human body can endure. These aircraft actually have the capability to create even greater G's, but it doesn't exactly help having the guy flying the plane pass out ;)

But yea the lateral G's on this car have to be absolutely insane... I guess we'll just have to wait for the game to come out to see how insane these G's are, but I wouldn't be surprised if they hit over 7G's
 
Sam48
It just dawned on me. I'm sure you all remember the E3 trailer with the carbon fiber oven.

In the end of the trailer, it showed an actual car inside it, yet the X1 doesn't actually exist. Could it be that the car in the oven was the RB6?
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I think it's a monocoque viewed from behind, could even be for the X1 or a model of it.
 
That would be awesome if they made the X1 in real life. Even if it only lasted like the Avro Arrow. A new racing series would be very cool with it.
 
im2fst4u
My other curiosity is, how do they get that much power out of a 3000cc engine? The turbos kind of make sense but I've never heard of turbos adding that much HP!(1400hp) Except for a drag car, but those engines are never very reliable, considering they have to be taken apart after each run usually.
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As others have said, the F1 Turbo cars managed similar outputs, with just 1.5 litre I4 engines. These power figures only really ran in qualifying trim and wouldn't last for more than a few laps. The fuel they used was Toluene (not a nice substance) its high resistance to pre-ignition made it perfect for running massive turbo pressures. Some boost pressures could be as high as 71psi, which is incredible compared to what could be achieved on conventional petrol, this is where all the power comes from.

Toluene is banned from pretty much every racing discipline I am aware of, its relatively toxic and corrosive for the internals, as such its far from being the ideal fuel.

The X1 will be able to achieve 1,500hp with relatively little lag (unlike a hight boost toluene car), will be driveable and could perhaps run for more than just a few laps, probably similar similar lengths to a current f1 engine. I actually expected a bit more power, but this car is a designed for pure speed not just straight line speed, as such a lightweight engine is probably a better solution to the problem than chucking more horsepower at it at the expense of weight. Afterall, the fact that its weight with fluids is no heavier than a current F1 car is incredible considering its gained 700hp and a bloody big fan bolted to it, this is no doubt an big contributing factor to the incredible 8.5 lateral cornering grip.
 
Neal
To put the acceleration of the X1 (and Y2K Superbike) into context the Suzuki Hayabusa takes 16 seconds to get to 186mph and that's damn fast. Anyone know how quick an F1 car gets to 200mph?
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Mclaren states they get from 0 to top speed in 10.8secs. and from top speed to 0 in 6.8secs (per the screen saver I have at work, I'll double check tomorrow to make sure) I think top speed was 320kph whatever that is.:sly:

edit: double checked (forgot I had it on my laptop also)......0 to 340kph in 10.8 secs. 340kph to 0 in 6.8 secs.......damn fast!
 
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Wits
Sorry guys but am I one of the only ones that doesn't like this car? It is a shame PD took a lot of time to create this thing. They could have made it after they released the game and gave it to the community as a free download or something.
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What is it with people like you thinking somehow that projects like this are what's causing the game not to be released? Exactly, how do you figure that? Just because its being revealed in full detailed today doesn't necessarily mean it hasn't been done long before. For all we know, this was long done and is only now reaching the mass public eye for the first time so this assumption is really unfounded.

Spagetti69
:crazy:Why has it got mudflaps. Surely we can't rally this at Toscana.
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Mudflaps? Where? This car does not have mudflaps.

Sam48
It just dawned on me. I'm sure you all remember the E3 trailer with the carbon fiber oven.

In the end of the trailer, it showed an actual car inside it, yet the X1 doesn't actually exist. Could it be that the car in the oven was the RB6?
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That Monocoque wasn't real, it was virtual and the shape of it looks exactly like the X1. So really, we might have seen the X1 from the start.
 
RACECAR
That Monocoque wasn't real, it was virtual and the shape of it looks exactly like the X1. So really, we might have seen the X1 from the start.
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It doesn't look anything like the X1. The one in the trailer has a fin like areodynamic design on the sides of the nose, the X1 does not.
 
Sam48
It just dawned on me. I'm sure you all remember the E3 trailer with the carbon fiber oven.

In the end of the trailer, it showed an actual car inside it, yet the X1 doesn't actually exist. Could it be that the car in the oven was the RB6?
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Link to the video? You sure it was a real oven or that the car wasn't "injected" into the frames?
 

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