Xbox 360 Vs Ps3

[Mr Deap]

And AGAIN I ask, why?

No games on PS3 that worth the buy early(Most of them are already on the 360 & port). I bought the XBOX 360 mostly for PGR3(Always qualify in the top 64 each week ). I like to remain competitive & I have huge fun playing online. I plan to buy Phantasy Star Universe(Still thinking PC or XBOX 360. I'll check review first) & Final Fantasy XII. There's Gears Of war that I might buy just for the graphic & have fun online. But what I await the most is the 3 RPG announced at TGS 06. Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey & Eternal Sonata(Trusty Bell). Oh yeah, Forza 2 will be there to keep me playing online. The Live Arcade too keep me playing a lot.

Each XBOX 360 games have a huge replay value you can't get on any system. There's so much players online & hardcore players to challenge(I believe I get eaten, but it's interesting to play them). I have no doubt that most games will be ported on both system, so instead of hurting myself with a slow launch for a system that will cost me 800$(tax included). Most feature on the PS3 will be unuseful for me. My PC is quite capable of going to the internet & I already use 2 screen. I'm waiting for the HDTV price to lower a bit. I believe there will be a huge drop in the price very soon.

I have Enchanted Arms(XBOX 360).

Edit: A small explanation how qualification work in PGR3. Each week, there's continent tournament build in the game & you have to be in the top 64 to be able to participate in the tournament. There's over 2 thousand people trying it. The reason why you don't hear about it, it's because most GTP 360 users just can't qualify & my topic get bumped down . It's pretty much like those race event you find here in GTP, but with a lot of users & it's extremely competitive because you qualify against everyone.

 

[JNasty4G63]

...Final Fantasy XII.

Unless I missed some HUGE announcement, I believe FF-XII is only going to be on PS2. I'm almost possitive on that one. Its one of the last good PS2 games until everyone basically moves on.

There is FF-XI for Xbox 360, but thats it so far for FF games. The next couple, FF-XII and FF-XIII, are going to be Sony only, as far as I've heard.

Hilg

 

[Mr Deap]

Unless I missed some HUGE announcement, I believe FF-XII is only going to be on PS2. I'm almost possitive on that one. Its one of the last good PS2 games until everyone basically moves on.

There is FF-XI for Xbox 360, but thats it so far for FF games. The next couple, FF-XII and FF-XIII, are going to be Sony only, as far as I've heard.

Hilg

Yeah, FFXII on PS2.

 

[JNasty4G63]

Yeah, FFXII on PS2.

My bad, I thought you were talking about games you wanted for your Xbox.

Hilg

 

[Jay]

To be honest, the build quality on the recent X360s are a lot better.

Yeah, kinda like Hyundai.

 

[Swift]

No games on PS3 that worth the buy early(Most of them are already on the 360 & port). I bought the XBOX 360 mostly for PGR3(Always qualify in the top 64 each week ). I like to remain competitive & I have huge fun playing online. I plan to buy Phantasy Star Universe(Still thinking PC or XBOX 360. I'll check review first) & Final Fantasy XII. There's Gears Of war that I might buy just for the graphic & have fun online. But what I await the most is the 3 RPG announced at TGS 06. Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey & Eternal Sonata(Trusty Bell). Oh yeah, Forza 2 will be there to keep me playing online. The Live Arcade too keep me playing a lot.

so you like some of the games. That's extremely subjective. Not to mention that most of the games you mentioned aren't availible yet.

Each XBOX 360 games have a huge replay value you can't get on any system. There's so much players online & hardcore players to challenge(I believe I get eaten, but it's interesting to play them).

OK, online. I can see that. But that alone doesn't give a game or a system replay value.

I have no doubt that most games will be ported on both system, so instead of hurting myself with a slow launch for a system that will cost me 800$(tax included). Most feature on the PS3 will be unuseful for me. My PC is quite capable of going to the internet & I already use 2 screen. I'm waiting for the HDTV price to lower a bit. I believe there will be a huge drop in the price very soon.

Uh, your Computer wont play GTV or a lot of other playstation exclusive titles. I'm also trying to figure out what features are unuseful to you?

Another point. If the HD-DVD drive for the 360 was availible at release, would you have gotten it? I'm just wondering because that would make the price points even.

I have Enchanted Arms(XBOX 360).

Uh, OK.

Basically what I'm saying here is that there is no "better" system but a system that you LIKE better for specific reasons. To constantly put down another system because it isn't exactly what you think it should be is pointless and generally stupid. It's like comparing a Dodge Viper to a ZO6 Corvette. Both cars are excellent, but they do what they do in different ways. To say that either one is better generally negates the fact that there are people that like them for different reasons than other people do. In other words, when it comes to game systems, to each his own.

 

[Mr Deap]

so you like some of the games. That's extremely subjective.

You quoted Me, Myself & I. it is my choice obviously.

OK, online. I can see that. But that alone doesn't give replay value.

Online play bump up your game time to easy 10 times than a game that you play Offline. MMORPG are a good exemple of those where you have a whole 3 months in play times & more.

Uh, your Computer wont play GTV or a lot of other playstation exclusive titles. I'm also trying to figure out what features are unuseful to you?

Plenty. The Hard Drive of the PS3 have 0 fonction that appeal to me. & I can already surf on the net using 2 screen. Music, pics & movie are handle by my PC. I can't use 90% of the output of the PS3 right now.

Basically what I'm saying here is that there is no "better" system but a system that you LIKE better for specific reasons. To constantly put down another system because it isn't exactly what you think it should be is pointless and generally stupid. It's like comparing a Dodge Viper to a ZO6 Corvette. Both cars are excellent, but they do what they do in different ways. To say that either one is better generally negates the fact that there are people that like them for different reasons than other people do. In other words, when it comes to game systems, to each his own.

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[Swift]

You quoted Me, Myself & I. it is my choice obviously.

Right, but that doesn't make it better.

Online play bump up your game time to easy 10 times than a game that you play Offline. MMORPG are a good exemple of those where you have a whole 3 months in play times & more.

There is a difference between a game designed for online play and a game that has Online play as an option.

Plenty. The Hard Drive of the PS3 have 0 fonction that appeal to me. & I can already surf on the net using 2 screen. Music, pics & movie are handle by my PC. I can't use 90% of the output of the PS3 right now.

Hmm....ok.

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Well, here's the thing then. Stop sounding like such a fan boy when someone criticizes the 360.

 

[Mr Deap]

Right, but that doesn't make it better.



There is a difference between a game designed for online play and a game that has Online play as an option.


Hmm....ok.



Well, here's the thing then. Stop sounding like such a fan boy when someone criticizes the 360.

The big question, why pointing me?

If you read the whole thread, who's the biggest fanboy?

Each time I write how great the 360 is, people criticize me. I even wrote the reason why I stay with my 360. I might have wrote bad stuff about the PS3, because it is basically true. Why the heck the surrounding in NFS carbon is so blurry O_o, why Sonic Demo feel so empty?

Video recorded with my capture card:

Sonic demo gameplay video:
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=15010

Ninety Nine Night gameplay.
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=14954

NFS Most Wanted on XBOX 360(& remember this video once you play Carbon on PS3):
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=9892

GRAW gameplay:
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=9907

Dead Rising demo gameplay:
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=9744

Dead or Alive 4 gameplay:
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=7590

 

[DuckRacer]

If you read the whole thread, who's the biggest fanboy?

You.

Each time I write how great the 360 is, people criticize me. I even wrote the reason why I stay with my 360. I might have wrote bad stuff about the PS3, because it is basicaqlly true. Why the heck the surrounding in NFS carbon is so blurry O_o, why Sonic Demo feel so empty?

The X360 isn't all that great. It isn't God's gift to mankind. It's definitely good, but you're hyping it up. And the stuff you write about the PS3 isn't "basically true".
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=9892

 

[Jay]

The big question, why pointing me?

Shouldn't be hard to figure out.

If you read the whole thread, who's the biggest fanboy?

You.

The X360 isn't all that great. It isn't God's gift to mankind. It's definitely good, but you're hyping it up. And the stuff you write about the PS3 isn't "basically true".

Agreed.

 

[Dave A]

Online play bump up your game time to easy 10 times than a game that you play Offline. MMORPG are a good exemple of those where you have a whole 3 months in play times & more.

Subjective, I'm not much of an online gamer it doesn't carry that big of an appeal to me. Sure I play online, but compared to offline it's probably about 10% of the time. Besides that PS3 will have online games too so the 360 and PS3 are equal in that they both offer online gaming. However playing online on the 360 costs you a subscription fee, playing on the PS3 doesn't, downloads will cost you money but the cost of putting a disk in the console and connecting to an online game is the cost you pay to your ISP.

 

[Swift]

I love how to totally dodged this question:

Another point. If the HD-DVD drive for the 360 was availible at release, would you have gotten it? I'm just wondering because that would make the price points even.

The big question, why pointing me?

If you read the whole thread, who's the biggest fanboy?

Your one of if not the biggest fanboy because you refuse to see the other side of the argument. Both systems have their upsides and downsides. But I contend that the main reason you like the 360 over the PS3 is not technical or even price based, but the fact that it was availible first.

Each time I write how great the 360 is, people criticize me. I even wrote the reason why I stay with my 360. I might have wrote bad stuff about the PS3, because it is basically true. Why the heck the surrounding in NFS carbon is so blurry O_o, why Sonic Demo feel so empty?

Please tell me you're not naive enough to judge a game and above that a system by a demo! Please, please, please tell me you're not that short sighted.

 

[Mr Deap]

Please tell me you're not niave enough to judge a game and above that a system by a demo! Please, please, please tell me you're not that short sighted.

If you would have tried the demo, you would have said the same thing. The background is very very blurry. It's blurry like NFS Underground on PC & maybe a bit more.

NFS Carbon

NFS Most Wanted

Notice how the game look crap next to Most wanted?

 

[HiyakuShiro]

Please tell me you're not naive enough to judge a game and above that a system by a demo! Please, please, please tell me you're not that short sighted.

I have played demos that were better than the full game . . .

 

[Mr Deap]

I love how to totally dodged this question:

The question about HD-DVD.

I won't get it. I don't rent movie or whatever & it's written in my previous post. I didn't dodge that question, coz it's have been already answered.

I buy what I need for the moment. Sometime it worth to bid on the high price, but sometime it isn't. The GPU performance of the PS3 is questioning for something that will stay for 10 years. It's a huge flaw that I don't want to explain here, but time will tell anyway.

The BluRay interest me, but only as a burner. Though I have no idea how long I will wait for that. I still believe that BluRay is not needed for the current technology. The curren gen is kinda weak to take advantage of the BluRay.

High definition video are already availble online. Though the player offer the disk drive. But Codec are already in my PC. I'm already viewing plenty of H.264 & VC-1 right now.

 

[Swift]

I have played demos that were better than the full game . . .

Thank you for proving my point. It can go either way from a demo.

If you would have tried the demo, you would have said the same thing. The background is very very blurry. It's blurry like NFS Underground on PC & maybe a bit more.

NFS Carbon

NFS Most Wanted

Notice how the game look crap next to Most wanted?

Ok, you are naive enough to judge on a demo.

The question about HD-DVD.

I won't get it. I don't rent movie or whatever & it's written in my previous post. I didn't dodge that question, coz it's have been already answered.

OK

I buy what I need for the moment.

Thank you for making my point about the availibility of the 360.

Sometime it worth to bid on the high price, but sometime it isn't. The GPU performance of the PS3 is questioning for something that will stay for 10 years. It's a huge flaw that I don't want to explain here, but time will tell anyway.

They said the same thing about the PS2, and it's still outselling the Xbox Remember, I'm not trying to advocate the PS3 over the 360. Just that almost every point you make is suggestive or in this case, disproved through history.

The BluRay interest me, but only as a burner. Though I have no idea how long I will wait for that. I still believe that BluRay is not needed for the current technology. The curren gen is kinda weak to take advantage of the BluRay.

This is odd considering there have been a number of developers concerned about the lack of space for games on the 360.

High definition video are already availble online. Though the player offer the disk drive. But Codec are already in my PC. I'm already viewing plenty of H.264 & VC-1 right now.

But will the games be in HD?

In 3 years, 5 tops, the 360 will need all kinds of accessories to keep up with technology that the PS3 will have native to it. Most notably the HDMI output.

The 360 is a fine machine for the now, but in a few years, will it still be as viable? That's the question.

 

[JNasty4G63]

In 3 years, 5 tops, the 360 will need all kinds of accessories to keep up with technology that the PS3 will have native to it.....The 360 is a fine machine for the now, but in a few years, will it still be as viable? That's the question.

But, you have to remember, the 360 is now basically already a year old. So, in 3-5 years, it will be basically time for a new console. So, sure, right now, the stuff you get on a PS3 is more future-proof than any other console. But, how far into the future are you going to have to go until its needed?? Even if I get a new TV, with multiple HDMI inputs, they will still have component inputs, and my 360 will still look great using those at 720p. The PS3 will be very well equipped for the future, but you have to honestly ask yourself how much of that extra stuff YOU will need in those coming years.

Hilg

 

[Mr Deap]

But, you have to remember, the 360 is now basically already a year old. So, in 3-5 years, it will be basically time for a new console. So, sure, right now, the stuff you get on a PS3 is more future-proof than any other console. But, how far into the future are you going to have to go until its needed?? Even if I get a new TV, with multiple HDMI inputs, they will still have component inputs, and my 360 will still look great using those at 720p. The PS3 will be very well equipped for the future, but you have to honestly ask yourself how much of that extra stuff YOU will need in those coming years.

Hilg

How well it will be cripped in the future.

Serious, PS3 games look pretty much like the XBOX 360.

Yeah it's cool that it use HDMI & all, but when you will use those feature, other future system will delivers better graphic at a fair price with the same output.(Most Wanted vs Carbon which is better in 1080P?)


see How expensive the PS3 is?

Sony Ditches HD Cables in Japanese PS3 Bundle
Oct 11, 2006 @ 3:40pm


Summary:
The PlayStation 3 has everything a gamer could ever want, except high-definition cables.


Full Text:

Hopefully you already have S-video or Component for your PS2

According to Famitsu, a report on the Japanese PS3 bundle reveals that the system will not ship with HD component cables, but instead standard composite. Surprisingly, this goes for both the 20GB core unit and 60GB premium package.

Luckily, because of the PS3's AV Multi Out interface, PS2 owners who already have S-video or component cables will be able swap out the sub par composite setup for the high-tech PS2 HD cables. Others, unfortunately, will have to buy them separately.

http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=3691

(I have the component cable, so it doesn't affect me )

The PS3 doesn't come with an headset. There's so much stuff to buy that it will empty your pocket in a flash.

 

[Swift]

How well it will be cripped in the future.

Serious, PS3 games look pretty much like the XBOX 360.

Yeah it's cool that it use HDMI & all, but when you will use those feature, other future system will delivers better graphic at a fair price with the same output.(Most Wanted vs Carbon which is better in 1080P?)

And you've seen the PS3 running NFS Carbon in person? No? then you can't judge it's visuals yet can you?

You see, this is the problem with the majority of the stuff that you post. You simply assume from pictures and second hand video that one system is producing better visuals then another. The fact of the matter is that the 360 SHOULD be on par with the PS3 because it's in, at least, it's second generation development cycle. Look at the first gen games for PS2 and say, God of War now. Huge difference, same hardware. Simply because the developers learned how to get more out of it. The same is true with all systems. So to say the 360 games look as good as the PS3 second hand demos you've seen is ok. But it doesn't mean that the 360 is technically on par with the PS3.

see How expensive the PS3 is?

(I have the component cable, so it doesn't affect me )

The PS3 doesn't come with an headset. There's so much stuff to buy that it will empty your pocket in a flash.

If money was the only concern of gamers, why did the PS3 sell out in a few hours at any retail market accepting pre-sales?

 

[JNasty4G63]

If money was the only concern of gamers, why did the PS3 sell out in a few hours at any retail market accepting pre-sales?

Is it hard to believe that 4-5 people at each store would preorder??? We aren't talking about 2 million preorders here. Yea, they sold out. With as few of them that we are getting, I would hope for their sake they DO sell out.

Hilg

 

[Swift]

Is it hard to believe that 4-5 people at each store would preorder??? We aren't talking about 2 million preorders here. Yea, they sold out. With as few of them that we are getting, I would hope for their sake they DO sell out.

Hilg

If it was a million they would've still sold out. It's a buzz factor. Much like the 360. Now, we'll know if the price is out of range about this time next year when we get the sales figures.

 

[JNasty4G63]

If it was a million they would've still sold out.

Maybe so, but you don't know that for sure. I mean, I would've been president in 2004, but I didn't run. Would'a Could'a Should'a doesn't get anyone anywhere.

Point is, of course the preoders sold out instantly, and the console will sell out for some time. We aren't getting very many. Just like with the 360, just because its sold out, doesn't mean sales are good. As we all know, the 360 has sold quite a few consoles, but its very far from being a HUGE hit. And, it was "sold-out" for many months.

Hilg

 

[Mr Deap]

Sonic the hedgehog

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[Swift]

But, you have to remember, the 360 is now basically already a year old. So, in 3-5 years, it will be basically time for a new console. So, sure, right now, the stuff you get on a PS3 is more future-proof than any other console. But, how far into the future are you going to have to go until its needed?? Even if I get a new TV, with multiple HDMI inputs, they will still have component inputs, and my 360 will still look great using those at 720p. The PS3 will be very well equipped for the future, but you have to honestly ask yourself how much of that extra stuff YOU will need in those coming years.

Hilg

Sorry, I missed this earlier.

So what you're saying is that when the TV's do get down in price a bit and you can really take advantage of the HD displays, you'll have to buy a new system?

Maybe so, but you don't know that for sure. I mean, I would've been president in 2004, but I didn't run. Would'a Could'a Should'a doesn't get anyone anywhere.

Point is, of course the preoders sold out instantly, and the console will sell out for some time. We aren't getting very many. Just like with the 360, just because its sold out, doesn't mean sales are good. As we all know, the 360 has sold quite a few consoles, but its very far from being a HUGE hit. And, it was "sold-out" for many months.

Hilg

Did you miss the second part of that post?

If it was a million they would've still sold out. It's a buzz factor. Much like the 360. Now, we'll know if the price is out of range about this time next year when we get the sales figures.

 

[JNasty4G63]

So what you're saying is that when the TV's do get down in price a bit and you can really take advantage of the HD displays, you'll have to buy a new system?

No. You said in 3-5 years the 360 will need "all kinds of accessories" to keep up with the PS3. I'm saying, with my current set, my 360 looks great at 720p. So, even if I get a new TV, and it has HDMI and does 1080p, the 360 games will still look great over component at 720p. I'm sure the PS3 will also look great. But, just because it has HDMI standard doesn't mean anything to the games that look great RIGHT NOW on my TV.

Did you miss the second part of that post?

Then, why even bring up the preorders?? I mean, its no shock that they sold out. How much it cost, with regards to your original post, has little bearing for people preodering. I mean, just watch how many show up on eBay once launch comes. People would have preodered them at $800 on the spot, because they know with as few of them as we are getting, they will easilly sell for $1000-1200 on eBay to people that desperate. Just like what happened with the 360, the cost or how many preorders there were don't mean anything.

Unless of course, the Wii sells out, given that most analysts are predicting we will get 4-6 million Wii by the end of 2006. Now, if THOSE sell out, then we have something. But, for Sony or MS to sell through their initial batch, that doesn't mean much, because they can't seem to make them fast enough. Nintendo seems to be the only brand that understands how these things work.

Hilg

 

[Swift]

No. You said in 3-5 years the 360 will need "all kinds of accessories" to keep up with the PS3. I'm saying, with my current set, my 360 looks great at 720p. So, even if I get a new TV, and it has HDMI and does 1080p, the 360 games will still look great over component at 720p. I'm sure the PS3 will also look great. But, just because it has HDMI standard doesn't mean anything to the games that look great RIGHT NOW on my TV.

So you're of the same mind as Mr Deap. For the now. Ok, apparently Microsoft marketed it's product correctly to it's intended audience.

But if you just bought a new LCD 1080i TV and wanted something that could step up to what you just put out the extra money for, you'd be out of luck with the 360.

Then, why even bring up the preorders?? I mean, its no shock that they sold out. How much it cost, with regards to your original post, has little bearing for people preodering. I mean, just watch how many show up on eBay once launch comes. People would have preodered them at $800 on the spot, because they know with as few of them as we are getting, they will easilly sell for $1000-1200 on eBay to people that desperate. Just like what happened with the 360, the cost or how many preorders there were don't mean anything.

I brought up pre orders because it is relevant. But I qualified the statement by the second sentence. I recognize that we're not going to know about the PS3 price point for at least a year. That's what the statement said. Sheesh.

 

[KENJIusa]

see How expensive the PS3 is?

I have to agree that the PS3 is less expensive than the XBOX 360 price wise

Best bang for the buck

.

You're talking like Mr. "I'll say anything" Peter Moore The Bully:tdown:

 

[JNasty4G63]

So you're of the same mind as Mr Deap.

Please, stop that.

But if you just bought a new LCD 1080i TV and wanted something that could step up to what you just put out the extra money for, you'd be out of luck with the 360.

Well, the 360 DOES do 1080i, so it will be just fine with that. But, I'm guessing you meant 1080p, because there is NO 1080i LCD tvs. Which no, it basically won't do. But, you make it seem like just because there is something 1080p out, everything else that ISN'T 1080p is now not good. My point IS NOT that the PS3 won't look great at 1080p, which they certainly will. My point IS that regardless of what resolution your TV, be it 720p or 1080p, the games will look great. I've seen a 360 on a 1080p set, and it looks great. So no, I'm not out of luck at all.

I brought up pre orders because it is relevant.

But, is it?? Explain to me why the PS3 selling out all its preorders has any relevance to this discussion. Because, I can't seem to see why it matters in the slightest. Deap brought up the fact that it will cost quite a lot of money to get a PS3, some accessories and games, just to get playing. To which you followed with the fact that it sold all of its preorders. I fail to see how selling a lot of preorders in a limited availability item has any relevance to the cost of ownership of said item.

Hilg

 

[Swift]

Please, stop that.

that was funny. Ok.

Well, the 360 DOES do 1080i, so it will be just fine with that. But, I'm guessing you meant 1080p, because there is NO 1080i LCD tvs. Which no, it basically won't do. But, you make it seem like just because there is something 1080p out, everything else that ISN'T 1080p is now not good. My point IS NOT that the PS3 won't look great at 1080p, which they certainly will. My point IS that regardless of what resolution your TV, be it 720p or 1080p, the games will look great. I've seen a 360 on a 1080p set, and it looks great. So no, I'm not out of luck at all.

Explain exactly how if the Xbox doesn't support 1080p(sorry for my mistake) how it takes advantage of the extra money spent on that particular TV? Obviously it'll look good on that TV, however, I'm willing to wager that NFS Carbon will have a cleaner look at 1080p then 720p. That's all I'm saying.

But, is it?? Explain to me why the PS3 selling out all its preorders has any relevance to this discussion. Because, I can't seem to see why it matters in the slightest. Deap brought up the fact that it will cost quite a lot of money to get a PS3, some accessories and games, just to get playing. To which you followed with the fact that it sold all of its preorders. I fail to see how selling a lot of preorders in a limited availability item has any relevance to the cost of ownership of said item.
Hilg

Mr. Deap was specifically saying that the initial price point for the PS3 was too high. If that's true, why did everyone buy them up. That's were the relevance is.

Also, my original question to Deap was why does he like the 360 so much. ALL of his answers were subjective. This is fine. But it doesn't make a system "better" for all because one person likes certain attributes. This is what I was trying to get across.

The challenge in this particular thread is two fold. First and foremost, the PS3 isn't released yet so were doing at least 50% speculation. Second, we all think to some degree that everyone is either pro PS3-anti360 or vice versa.

With the first premise being true it makes it impossible to compare the two systems(just like pre GT4 and Forza comparisons). The second premise we all need to work on so we can have some constructive conversation and not just yelling about GPU's and RAM.