Your faith in Gran Turismo - has it been permanently damaged?

[Fujibayoshi]

No, not at all. Driving feels incredible. Graphics are nice. Sound is great. Even content wise the game has a lot to offer at least for me. I am still not done.

 

[Don3hide]

GT7 took a bit of a hit in my eyes due to the whole debacle, but I wouldn't say it was permanently damaged and unfixable. I knew GT7 was going to be a long, slow road to get to where it should be, GT5 and 6 were the same way and from the little bit I played of Sport, it was likely the same way too. There are some things in GT7 that I really don't like and some of the decisions are a bit weird, but all things considered, I'm pretty middle of the road with regards to the game. One of my biggest complaints is the how underwhelming the car list is, but I know that will likely get rectified over the coming months. The soundtrack is terrible too, but my benchmark is GT2 which probably had the best soundtrack of any game ever next to Tony Hawk Pro Skater. This isn't to say there aren't a bunch of things I do like though. I think GT Auto has some excellent changes, Scapes is still awesome, and graphically GT7 looks great, especially on the PS4.

Dude, just download Spotify and play the app on your PS with GT7. It's so genius and should eliminate any complaints about the terrible game sound track.

 

[Biggles]

Makes me kind of nostalgic seeing the GT4 footage. GT7 is clearly far more detailed ... but the disturbing part is the basic parameters of the game haven't changed that much. KY seems to have been focused on continually improving the look of GT but with no serious attempt to address the basic shortcomings. In the days of GT4 PD were offering the most realistic looking & feeling driving game on console, but that was the high water mark. Since then other developers have been working on adding other features to their racing games while PD seems to have been stuck on making a "better version of GT4".

 

[ScottPuss20]

Makes me kind of nostalgic seeing the GT4 footage. GT7 is clearly far more detailed ... but the disturbing part is the basic parameters of the game haven't changed that much. KY seems to have been focused on continually improving the look of GT but with no serious attempt to address the basic shortcomings. In the days of GT4 PD were offering the most realistic looking & feeling driving game on console, but that was the high water mark. Since then other developers have been working on adding other features to their racing games while PD seems to have been stuck on making a "better version of GT4".

A better version of GT4 is enough for me though after GT5, GT6 and GT Sport failed to deliver in many areas. GT7 has put GT back into the conversation again after 10 years of mediocrity.

 

[Imari]

A better version of GT4 is enough for me though after GT5, GT6 and GT Sport failed to deliver in many areas. GT7 has put GT back into the conversation again after 10 years of mediocrity.

I think a lot of the problem is that while GT7 is fundamentally a better game in terms of physics, graphics, AI, and all those basic elements of a racing game, the actual gameplay of GT4 is still arguably better. There's more of it and it's better structured. It's not a slam dunk, but I think there's a solid case to be made either way.

If they'd taken the GT4 career mode and translated it into GT7 (so fill out the races to a full GT7 field and swap tracks/cars where needed for what's available) it seems like that would be a big step up. And that's just copy/pasting from a 2004 game - presumably if they'd wanted they could have taken the last 18 years of game development learnings to create a career that was really engaging.

It is great to see GT7 do well in a lot of the areas that it's been struggling with, but I find it hard to be too excited when it's still struggling to keep up with even it's own history in others. I assume that in a couple of years it will end up being a better version of GT4 once it's full of content, but watching Polyphony struggle to put together a game that unequivocally exceeds all their past efforts (which you would have thought would be fairly easy) feels a bit like watching a toddler trying to dress themselves. They'll probably get there eventually but they're going to be mostly naked for quite a while, and while it's sort of funny to watch it's also sort of irritating when they start taking clothes off again instead of putting them on. Cute, but frustrating.

I think this is going to be how I describe Polyphony to people from now on - cute, but frustrating. I like a lot of what they do, but **** me, sometimes they just need someone to sit them down and jam some pants on them.

 

[Jackorias]

Dude, just download Spotify and play the app on your PS with GT7. It's so genius and should eliminate any complaints about the terrible game sound track.

This is how I do it. I haven't played as much GT7 as I've wanted to lately (only did a few daily races last week) and I still have the World GT Series menu book to do but banging your own music on and just chilling out is definitely the way to go!

 

[Scaff]

Just add to what @Imari said above, I'm working on a video that looks at how weather, rain, in particular, is implemented across a range of titles. This means running a lot of custom races in various titles, GT7 is easily the most frustrating of the titles I've worked through so far in this regard, as the UX for custom races is terrible. It has zero permanence, so unless you like the default settings you have to change every damn parameter every single time you go into custom races, with zero ability to save a preferred custom race set-up. Add in the fact that it can't work out that if you have wet tyres and the weather is set to torrential rain, then maybe, just maybe, popping them on as a default would be good for a user experience perspective.

It's mind-bogglingly poor UI/UX design, however as its PD

 

[MrMechanic505]

I have to say, unfortunately it just might be. First issue was I never received my credits for pre-ordering this dumpster fire excuse of a game, and there is no way to contact anyone about it either of course. Then the "server maintenance" issues, which were just an excuse to further **** us over by halving the race payouts, while telling us that they don't want us to "grind" the races to buy their RIDICULOUSLY overpriced cars, and to try and force people to use their bullshiite micro transactions. Then the game just stops at the Gr.3 level, wasted a million credits on the F1500 "indy car", with nowhere to drive it, other than worthless custom races. And to top everything else off, the COMPLETELY rigged, broken and ****ing worthless Roulette ticket system, that 99.5% of the time gives you the absolute lowest reward. Haven't gotten a SINGLE engine swap yet, was "fortunate" enough to get 2 cars, both crap ones, and 2 times in a row an invitation to buy the Bugatti Veyron. I had such high hopes for this game after the disappointing GT Sport, so I'm glad I didn't spend even MORE money to go buy a nice driving wheel yet, but I hope they do better ttlhan giving us just a PATHETIC million credits to make up for how badly they dry ****ed all of their long time fans/customers. I just wish there was a way to play some of the older GT games, maybe they will add them to this new PS Plus/Now mashup that Sony is forcing on us, in yet another shameless money grabbing scheme. Last gripe I have is the pathetic excuse of a used car dealership, why not just make them all available and let us just buy what we want, when we want, not to mention the pretty abysmal "customization" feature...........I do know that I will NEVER pre-order any games for day 1 releqses again,, especially if they are a Sony controlled release or exclusive.

This is how I do it. I haven't played as much GT7 as I've wanted to lately (only did a few daily races last week) and I still have the World GT Series menu book to do but banging your own music on and just chilling out is definitely the way to go!

Is the Spotify app free?

 

[Razamataz]

Is the Spotify

app free?

Yes.

Amazingly even without a paid subscription you can navigate specific tracks from a playlist of your own making. You can't do that on the mobile phone version of the app.

Saying that, I'm an Apple Music guy these days which also works pretty well.

 

[nightmare1993]

I played them all as they were released except 6 because it came out too late in the life of the PS3.

The OP is complaining about the lack of single player events and yet he admits he hasn't even beaten all of the post menu races which are the best the game has to offer. Funny you should mention Sport as it has shown how we can expect literally hundreds of additional race events and cars to be added over time as well as probably dozens additional tracks/layouts.

As a full game. It should include those 100 races and tracks/layouts from the begining nd not from updates. Specially if it comes from an older game.

 

[PhlebMike]

The amount of negative over-reacting for an obviously unfinished and half-baked game is astounding.
It is a game that should have come out months later, that's the main thing. Gotta have patience and wait for updates. Now in its current state its already quite good but it will end up being a really amazing game I'm sure.

I have to say, it feels very disrespectful of PD to charge us 70 USD for what seems like an early access game. This plays a lot like a post-alpha or pre-beta release. We're being asked to pay PD to do their QC work. Not a fan any more.

This must have been Sony's decision to rush in the release. Pretty sure PD as developers would have waited longer. Developers don't want to release a half baked product.

Are you aware that this was originally supposed to launch in August of 2021? It was delayed 6 months for polish and further development. We are paying full price for an unfinished early access game.

 

[Magog]

As a full game. It should include those 100 races and tracks/layouts from the begining nd not from updates. Specially if it comes from an older game.

It has more tracks than any GT game to date. In past GT games like GT4 the only one make races you could do were those designed by PD. Now you can one make race any car with the push of a button not to mention all of the other custom races there are to do. If you have run out of things to do in GT7 it is only because you can't be bothered to give 5 seconds worth of effort.

 

[RacingFan1]

...do you think that the backlash that CDPR got for Cyberpunk was overblown too?

I thought that CP2077 was the most widely accepted example of a major release that was just a complete disaster. Comparing any game release to CP2077 is savage criticism. Yet you seem to be using it to mean "it's not that bad, this stuff happens"?

Yeah its all depends on the age and maturity of the subject Ithink. In the real world companies that make projects and have to calculate estimated money and time, sometimes they miss the targets, so yes this does happen.
Since videogame customers are a mixed bag between kids and adults, gotta differenciate them, as I said above:
-Kid: "throws toys out of the pram, dont understand it and keeps on crying"
-Grown up adult: "Well that sucks, they didnt meet targets, **** happens but oh well, have to wait for game fixes and updates, not the end of the world, its just a game"
Thats how i see it, dont take all internet opinions seriously, becase many of the are kids

 

[danowat]

In a word, Yes.

The way they've steered a full priced AAA franchise that was much loved by many people, towards a microtrasaction focused, hollow experience with vastly less content than any previous version should irk anybody.

 

[NICKname]

It has more tracks than any GT game to date. In past GT games like GT4 the only one make races you could do were those designed by PD. Now you can one make race any car with the push of a button not to mention all of the other custom races there are to do. If you have run out of things to do in GT7 it is only because you can't be bothered to give 5 seconds worth of effort.

Arcade mode will never be a substitute for career mode. Not in any game, and especially not in one that was marketed as being all about its career mode.

 

[Scaff]

It has more tracks than any GT game to date.

Track layouts, yes.
Track Locations, no.

In past GT games like GT4 the only one make races you could do were those designed by PD. Now you can one make race any car with the push of a button not to mention all of the other custom races there are to do. If you have run out of things to do in GT7 it is only because you can't be bothered to give 5 seconds worth of effort.

Custom races have an appalling UI/UX, with zero permanence and no ability to save configurations, it's also far from unreasonable to expect a more curated events and championships than the pervious title!

Oh, and given the pitiful pay-outs for custom races it's not exactly surprising that people are avoiding them.

 

[Samus]

It has more tracks than any GT game to date.

False.

GT4 had 39 locations vs 34 locations in GT7.

In past GT games like GT4 the only one make races you could do were those designed by PD. Now you can one make race any car with the push of a button not to mention all of the other custom races there are to do. If you have run out of things to do in GT7 it is only because you can't be bothered to give 5 seconds worth of effort.

Push of a button? 5 seconds? No. It takes a few minutes setting up a custom race every single time because you can't save any presets.

You know what does take 5 seconds, a push of a button? Entering a race PD already created.

 

[danowat]

Track layouts, yes.
Track Locations, no.



Custom races have an appalling UI/UX, with zero permanence and no ability to save configurations, it's also far from unreasonable to expect a more curated events and championships than the pervious title!

Oh, and given the pitiful pay-outs for custom races it's not exactly surprising that people are avoiding them.

Agreed, the UI is a mess, why do I have to search all the available tracks to find out which events for a particularly series are where?, why aren't they tied together in a coherent UI like they always have been?

 

[Scaff]

Yeah its all depends on the age and maturity of the subject Ithink. In the real world companies that make projects and have to calculate estimated money and time, sometimes they miss the targets, so yes this does happen.
Since videogame customers are a mixed bag between kids and adults, gotta differenciate them, as I said above:
-Kid: "throws toys out of the pram, dont understand it and keeps on crying"
-Grown up adult: "Well that sucks, they didnt meet targets, **** happens but oh well, have to wait for game fixes and updates, not the end of the world, its just a game"
Thats how i see it, dont take all internet opinions seriously, becase many of the are kids

Yeah, you can stop with the passive aggressive ad-hominem attacks, they are not acceptable.

I'm 51 and think that the manner in which PD have acted at pretty much all stages of the GT7 launch has been more than worthy of complaint and criticism.

 

[mynameis66]

It has more tracks than any GT game to date. In past GT games like GT4 the only one make races you could do were those designed by PD. Now you can one make race any car with the push of a button not to mention all of the other custom races there are to do. If you have run out of things to do in GT7 it is only because you can't be bothered to give 5 seconds worth of effort.

You carry on flogging it mate.

 

[nightmare1993]

It has more tracks than any GT game to date. In past GT games like GT4 the only one make races you could do were those designed by PD. Now you can one make race any car with the push of a button not to mention all of the other custom races there are to do. If you have run out of things to do in GT7 it is only because you can't be bothered to give 5 seconds worth of effort.

More tracks? 😭😂 Maybe layouts but def not tracks nd i can assure u that

 

[R55NA]

Lost faith in the industry, not just Gran Turismo.

 

[Samus]

Agreed, the UI is a mess, why do I have to search all the available tracks to find out which events for a particularly series are where?, why aren't they tied together in a coherent UI like they always have been?

They haven't even figured out the 'next' button when you're doing license tests or anything else in a logical order. No, 'exit', select the next one yourself it is.

 

[Magog]

Track layouts, yes.
Track Locations, no.



Custom races have an appalling UI/UX, with zero permanence and no ability to save configurations, it's also far from unreasonable to expect a more curated events and championships than the pervious title!

Oh, and given the pitiful pay-outs for custom races it's not exactly surprising that people are avoiding them.

It would be great if you could save aspects of custom races, I agree. Payouts could also be better. But it is ridiculously easy to organize a gr1, gr2, gr3, Gr4, Grb, or one make races and they are fun which is what matters to me. People act like they can cash in their credits for real life money. They are only useful for buying and upgrading cars. I have almost 200 cars and have driven less than 40 of them so far. My advice to people looking to keep enjoying the game would be to slow down and enjoy the cars you have rather than try to grind for credits so they can complete their car collection in record time.

 

[danowat]

They haven't even figured out the 'next' button when you're doing license tests or anything else in a logical order. No, 'exit', select the next one yourself it is.

You also can't come out of the GT auto sub menu without it returning to the main map, and the lack of a car select option before all races makes my teeth itch.

It's like the UI was designed by a maniac.

 

[Imari]

-Grown up adult: "Well that sucks, they didnt meet targets, **** happens but oh well, have to wait for game fixes and updates, not the end of the world, its just a game"

I wish I was wealthy enough to just not care that my $100 purchase was not up to standard.

At my work, the expectation when you don't meet targets is that you'll at least face some pretty stern questions as to why. We're all professionals, and you're expected to get the job done and raise your hand for help well before the end of the project if things start going off the rails.

If there's a legitimate reason that was beyond your control, no harm no foul. As you say, **** happens. If it's because you messed up or should have planned better, you can expect the people who are then forced to deal with the consequences of your actions to be pretty miffed at you for some time afterwards and you're just going to have to swallow whatever they choose to dish out to you. That's only fair, and you should go out of your way to explain to those people what happened, why it's not going to happen again, and how you're going to try and make sure the impact on them is minimal.

If you've done something catastrophically stupid, you can expect to lose your job and/or face legal action. That's just how it is.

I don't know where you work that real world companies are just shrugging off major project failures, let alone expecting their customers to. Maybe it's a cultural thing, but it doesn't work like that in Australia, it doesn't work like that in America and it definitely doesn't work like that in Japan.

 

[Samus]

It would be great if you could save aspects of custom races, I agree. Payouts could also be better. But it is ridiculously easy to organize a gr1, gr2, gr3, Gr4, Grb, or one make races and they are fun which is what matters to me. People act like they can cash in their credits for real life money. They are only useful for buying and upgrading cars. I have almost 200 cars and have driven less than 40 of them so far. My advice to people looking to keep enjoying the game would be to slow down and enjoy the cars you have rather than try to grind for credits so they can complete their car collection in record time.

Did it ever occur to you they don't particularly want to drive the cars they were gifted and are instead interested in driving some of the other cars they need to buy? Not everyone has the same taste.

 

[Scaff]

It would be great if you could save aspects of custom races, I agree. Payouts could also be better. But it is ridiculously easy to organize a gr1, gr2, gr3, Gr4, Grb, or one make races and they are fun which is what matters to me. People act like they can cash in their credits for real life money.

No they really don't.

They are only useful for buying and upgrading cars.

No ****!

I have almost 200 cars and have driven less than 40 of them so far. My advice to people looking to keep enjoying the game would be to slow down and enjoy the cars you have rather than try to grind for credits so they can complete their car collection in record time.

Ah, the 'you're playing it wrong' argument, yeah that doesn't actually hold any water at all.

If PD didn't want people to collect cars, then maybe they shouldn't have made that a core focus of the damn game!

 

[Pearl Jam]

I played Driveclub and i though it was overrated garbage with bad gameplay and bad physics and running at 30 fps was one of the main reasons for that.

Genuinely one of the worst posts I’ve ever read on here, it’s STILL PlayStation’s greatest racer

 

[RacingFan1]

Yeah, you can stop with the passive aggressive ad-hominem attacks, they are not acceptable.

I'm 51 and think that the manner in which PD have acted at pretty much all stages of the GT7 launch has been more than worthy of complaint and criticism.

You may take it so seriouly because youre gt planet staff so what PD does affects your job... But you and the rest of the forum staff are an exception