Your honest opinion about your expectations
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http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=26274
That's the article where he was interviewed about his and Gran Turismo's beginnings.
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I remember that article. But you can tell he's talking only about GT1, and not GT5. Big difference.
There's no real excuse for the lack of many popular, and regional manufacturers in GT5. I know licensing can be tricky, but we're talking about the best selling racing franchise. More has to be done.
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- NG9
- Shin_Roh
I have been totally distracted from GT5 just recently. F1 2012 in short. The physics are better in GT5 for sure, but I have come to the conclusion that although this is probably quite important, it does not make the game.
The thing about Gran Turismo is, it doesnt feel quite fresh enough. GT2 was GT1 done a little bit better.. GT4 was GT3 done a little bit better still. And if GT6 is GT5 with a little more spit and shine, I fear in response to the OP I will be very disappointed indeed.
Whilst I am very grateful for ongoing updates to the GT series, the feelings of freshness are few and far between. Let me just ask you guys how many years you've been driving round bloody Deep Forest Raceway!? In my opinion they need to drop the classic nature of GT.
This (in short) is why F1 has enamoured me.. All those brilliant new race tracks. 100's of twisty bits to learn then attack and perfect. The actual interpretation and physics of an F1 car are probably better in GT5, but as I said before, I really couldnt care less.
GT6 will no doubt grab my attention, but better UI's, better graphics, better physics, better utilisation of resources (with regard to better sounds, livery editors, night day cycles etc etc) should be GIVEN improvements over the last because of the better understanding and advancement of the hardware and software on which they are created. This in my opinion is chaff, not wheat.
GT6 should be new. Brand new! The only thing familiar about the next GT game, should be that sweet satisfaction you get from taming car against racetrack. And for me the only way to feel fresh is to be somewhere AND in something you've never experienced before.
Out of the box this is what GT6 should be.. ONLY new tracks, visceral sensations of speed and intensity, and a great community of online racers ready to get their wheels dirty
I couldnt ask for more, yet something tells me PD will try and give it. And it will be to the detriment of the few factors that make a driving game truely special.
GT6 even before its conception is on my 'to buy' list. Will I be disappointed, unfortunetely more than likely.
The thing about Gran Turismo is, it doesnt feel quite fresh enough. GT2 was GT1 done a little bit better.. GT4 was GT3 done a little bit better still. And if GT6 is GT5 with a little more spit and shine, I fear in response to the OP I will be very disappointed indeed.
Whilst I am very grateful for ongoing updates to the GT series, the feelings of freshness are few and far between. Let me just ask you guys how many years you've been driving round bloody Deep Forest Raceway!? In my opinion they need to drop the classic nature of GT.
This (in short) is why F1 has enamoured me.. All those brilliant new race tracks. 100's of twisty bits to learn then attack and perfect. The actual interpretation and physics of an F1 car are probably better in GT5, but as I said before, I really couldnt care less.
GT6 will no doubt grab my attention, but better UI's, better graphics, better physics, better utilisation of resources (with regard to better sounds, livery editors, night day cycles etc etc) should be GIVEN improvements over the last because of the better understanding and advancement of the hardware and software on which they are created. This in my opinion is chaff, not wheat.
GT6 should be new. Brand new! The only thing familiar about the next GT game, should be that sweet satisfaction you get from taming car against racetrack. And for me the only way to feel fresh is to be somewhere AND in something you've never experienced before.
Out of the box this is what GT6 should be.. ONLY new tracks, visceral sensations of speed and intensity, and a great community of online racers ready to get their wheels dirty
I couldnt ask for more, yet something tells me PD will try and give it. And it will be to the detriment of the few factors that make a driving game truely special.
GT6 even before its conception is on my 'to buy' list. Will I be disappointed, unfortunetely more than likely.
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Let's not turn the gaming landscape into a flat, brown featureless wilderness of homogenised "experience", let's keep the landmarks and continue to flit between them.
For me, GT has always promised a sort of club-level racing experience, even though it's never really played out like that yet, particularly in terms of budgeting - that's why a separate sandbox mode and proper "career" mode (no, not like the ones in other games) would be much better than the current GT-mode / "GT-Life".
Before turning it all inside out and starting again, I think it's important for GT to get where it was always going first. "Visceral" or not.
Besides, it's about time the likes of Laguna Seca and Suzuka were freshened up a bit, I've been driving around on them for longer than Deep Forest has even existed!
For me, GT has always promised a sort of club-level racing experience, even though it's never really played out like that yet, particularly in terms of budgeting - that's why a separate sandbox mode and proper "career" mode (no, not like the ones in other games) would be much better than the current GT-mode / "GT-Life".
Before turning it all inside out and starting again, I think it's important for GT to get where it was always going first. "Visceral" or not.
Besides, it's about time the likes of Laguna Seca and Suzuka were freshened up a bit, I've been driving around on them for longer than Deep Forest has even existed!
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I personally believe we will see a copy and paste of GT5, having 100+ skylines, miatas, Fairladiys...etc boring tracks, slow repetitive AI. The problem is GT has no competition on this platform, if Forza came to Sony Kaz would be filing for bankruptcy, if GT6 is the same as GT5 i'm not going to waste money on the game
The first option.
I fully expect them to waste whatever extra resources the PS4 provides on more obscure polygons and neglect actual game mechanics while at the same time making a mess of product management.
The arrogance that was evident in 'Beyond the Apex' especially ' ... I want everything to be perfect' has to go.
I fully expect them to waste whatever extra resources the PS4 provides on more obscure polygons and neglect actual game mechanics while at the same time making a mess of product management.
The arrogance that was evident in 'Beyond the Apex' especially ' ... I want everything to be perfect' has to go.
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- BasedAckbar
You can say that about any game this gen being copy and paste. Well except maybe Heavy Rain.
And holy crap have people turned on PD pretty quick.
Why? That's how the guy operates. Would you rather have him say everything has to be "ok"?
Never really understood the criticism for Kaz's Perfectionism streak. Yeah it's detrimental to scheduling, but at least he's got passion for his work. Steve Jobs had one too but yet the yuppies would spread their butt cheeks for him....
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For me, the elimination of the 'duping' exploit was the straw the broke the camel's back. For a game that was devoid of any life in terms of racing, to go and curtail the only thing that made it marginally enjoyable (the collection of cars) was a massive slap on the face.
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) Forza's auction system.I take issue with selling this false persona of being a 'perfectionist' when he clearly isn't or if he is, he is obviously trying to perfect areas that have little to no bearing on actual gameplay. To me it looked like he was talking about the AI drivers when he made that statement in the video, which makes it doubly hilarious.
GT5 is just a great example of resource mismanagement and living on a legacy.
Quite simply really, it's no good saying you strive for perfection when the product you put out isn't even close to it. Yes, nobody or nor game can ever reach perfection but no true perfectionist would release a game with 80% of cars being last generation. He would fight Sony, do whatever it takes to only release the game with the premium cars.
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Overall, I think they just need to reduce content and polish what they keep to the max. Then add content (downloadable) gradually.
I'm pretty sure that with 5 they got lost in all they tried to implement and most of it ended unfinished or rather unpolished.
Specifically: 1-ONLY premium cars this time around.
2-Engine and tires sounds fixed! Its ridiculous how they are behind right now.
3-Tweak the driving physic but don't overhaul it completely. Its already
pretty good, just some exagerated car behaviors to ajust.
4-Fix the AI. Give us an ajustable AI on a scale of 10 with 1 way too easy
and 10 all super Ayrton Senna. This way, everybody can find its sweet spot
And don't tell me its impossible. These guys are geniuses, they just need to concentrate on what makes these games great. Forza 4 is my favorite racing game right now (I only play consoles) and the reason is it does many many things very well and few things are wrong and that makes it more immersive. Turn 10 is, in my humble opinion, a less talented but better organized studio that got a well designed and realized product.
PD on the other hand have the potential to produce something epic because Kaz and the gang have a more heartfelt vision of the ''sport''. I just wish they can concentrate on the right things and not try to be too big.
My 2 cents...
I'm pretty sure that with 5 they got lost in all they tried to implement and most of it ended unfinished or rather unpolished.
Specifically: 1-ONLY premium cars this time around.
2-Engine and tires sounds fixed! Its ridiculous how they are behind right now.
3-Tweak the driving physic but don't overhaul it completely. Its already
pretty good, just some exagerated car behaviors to ajust.
4-Fix the AI. Give us an ajustable AI on a scale of 10 with 1 way too easy
and 10 all super Ayrton Senna. This way, everybody can find its sweet spot
And don't tell me its impossible. These guys are geniuses, they just need to concentrate on what makes these games great. Forza 4 is my favorite racing game right now (I only play consoles) and the reason is it does many many things very well and few things are wrong and that makes it more immersive. Turn 10 is, in my humble opinion, a less talented but better organized studio that got a well designed and realized product.
PD on the other hand have the potential to produce something epic because Kaz and the gang have a more heartfelt vision of the ''sport''. I just wish they can concentrate on the right things and not try to be too big.
My 2 cents...
Completely agree, especially the part in bold. After spending on Prologue and GT5, I feel like I've been duped (pardon the pun). But equally sadly, there isn't a true competitor to GT on the PS3. NFS and Burnout are all well and good I guess, but not serious enough. F1 and Dirt, too specialised. GRID was awesome but the direction the 2nd one is taking is disappointing and Shift 2? Let's not go there.
For a long time I was astounded how bad football (soccer) games were. And then FIFA 10 hit. I just think it's too late in the PS3's life span for a good all-round package racing game to arrive.
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I think than GT6 is gonna be a very good game BUT the thing that i hate the most is the DLC, we already have paid for the game why should we continue to pay for it ? I hope than cars customisation will be at its best (with NOS back like in GT4 
and realistic engine customisation). About customisation, there is the car painting too, it would be really nice to paint every wheel of the car, to paint the spoiler ; every part of the car. And every car should be Race Modifiable .
GT6 needs more EU cars, some new tracks and ofc NO STANDARD CARS.
And btw, a REAL TRACK EDITOR that give us the possibility to create our personal track, not a track from a defined track.
and realistic engine customisation). About customisation, there is the car painting too, it would be really nice to paint every wheel of the car, to paint the spoiler ; every part of the car. And every car should be Race Modifiable .GT6 needs more EU cars, some new tracks and ofc NO STANDARD CARS.
And btw, a REAL TRACK EDITOR that give us the possibility to create our personal track, not a track from a defined track.
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The two years he wanted, GT5 would have been released this year, but this would probably be towards the end of current gen. I wonder did Kaz only wanted to release one title this gen? But he did say the next game wouldn't take that long. Strange...
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I have been totally distracted from GT5 just recently. F1 2012 in short. The physics are better in GT5 for sure, but I have come to the conclusion that although this is probably quite important, it does not make the game.
The thing about Gran Turismo is, it doesnt feel quite fresh enough. GT2 was GT1 done a little bit better.. GT4 was GT3 done a little bit better still. And if GT6 is GT5 with a little more spit and shine, I fear in response to the OP I will be very disappointed indeed.
Whilst I am very grateful for ongoing updates to the GT series, the feelings of freshness are few and far between. Let me just ask you guys how many years you've been driving round bloody Deep Forest Raceway!? In my opinion they need to drop the classic nature of GT.
This (in short) is why F1 has enamoured me.. All those brilliant new race tracks. 100's of twisty bits to learn then attack and perfect. The actual interpretation and physics of an F1 car are probably better in GT5, but as I said before, I really couldnt care less.
GT6 will no doubt grab my attention, but better UI's, better graphics, better physics, better utilisation of resources (with regard to better sounds, livery editors, night day cycles etc etc) should be GIVEN improvements over the last because of the better understanding and advancement of the hardware and software on which they are created. This in my opinion is chaff, not wheat.
GT6 should be new. Brand new! The only thing familiar about the next GT game, should be that sweet satisfaction you get from taming car against racetrack. And for me the only way to feel fresh is to be somewhere AND in something you've never experienced before.
Out of the box this is what GT6 should be.. ONLY new tracks, visceral sensations of speed and intensity, and a great community of online racers ready to get their wheels dirty
I couldnt ask for more, yet something tells me PD will try and give it. And it will be to the detriment of the few factors that make a driving game truely special.
GT6 even before its conception is on my 'to buy' list. Will I be disappointed, unfortunetely more than likely.
They need to include the old tracks along with new tracks because they might risk losing a big customer base of loyal old-school fans. Plus, already quite a few classic tracks is missing from GT5 so a reintroduction of them is welcome.
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- julessy98
- Jahhaj6
This in my opinion is the stupidest idea I've ever heard by all means put new tracks in but there's nothing wrong with just updating the old tracks.
my answer: They will have learned but they will screw up something else but its 2 pronged.
Sure they may listen to people and fix stuff but it may end up being cumbersome. Take the horrible paint system for example for a feature that was asked for but somehow royally screwed up. The huge ball drop with the Top Gear integration. Or just do something that makes absolutely no sense, "special" cars anyone?
While doing that they will also seemingly not even address issues with the game that have been there since nearly the beginning. Sound being a major one, sure GT5 was an improvement but still horribly lacking. An arcade racer thrown together in a year or so shouldn't have better sound then a game that's taken 5 years to develop.
And there is the next rub the time it seems to take this game to be made. In the 5 years it took them to release, an incomplete mind you, GT5 there were 3 Forzas. There has been a new Forza and a spinoff game. They cant keep taking so long to make these games and if they do then the changes in the game better be mind blowing. Say whatever you want but if MS and Turn 10 can manage to make a game in 2 years, and manage to smoke the GT series featurewise mind you, then there shouldn't be a reason Sony and PD cant. The fact is that we have heard all your "reasons" the games takes so long to make a million times and with other people managing to do it just fine your reasons start sounding a lot like excuses.
I think what this game may need is some fresh ideas. I think it may be time to move on from Kaz and have him develop something else and let someone else give this a try. Someone that isn't so stubborn and refuses to add features that even arcade racing games have adopted. Otherwise I feel that all we will ever get is the same game over and over with more and potentially better looking cars and a bunch of stuff that just makes you wonder WTH were they thinking when they did that.
Sure they may listen to people and fix stuff but it may end up being cumbersome. Take the horrible paint system for example for a feature that was asked for but somehow royally screwed up. The huge ball drop with the Top Gear integration. Or just do something that makes absolutely no sense, "special" cars anyone?
While doing that they will also seemingly not even address issues with the game that have been there since nearly the beginning. Sound being a major one, sure GT5 was an improvement but still horribly lacking. An arcade racer thrown together in a year or so shouldn't have better sound then a game that's taken 5 years to develop.
And there is the next rub the time it seems to take this game to be made. In the 5 years it took them to release, an incomplete mind you, GT5 there were 3 Forzas. There has been a new Forza and a spinoff game. They cant keep taking so long to make these games and if they do then the changes in the game better be mind blowing. Say whatever you want but if MS and Turn 10 can manage to make a game in 2 years, and manage to smoke the GT series featurewise mind you, then there shouldn't be a reason Sony and PD cant. The fact is that we have heard all your "reasons" the games takes so long to make a million times and with other people managing to do it just fine your reasons start sounding a lot like excuses.
I think what this game may need is some fresh ideas. I think it may be time to move on from Kaz and have him develop something else and let someone else give this a try. Someone that isn't so stubborn and refuses to add features that even arcade racing games have adopted. Otherwise I feel that all we will ever get is the same game over and over with more and potentially better looking cars and a bunch of stuff that just makes you wonder WTH were they thinking when they did that.
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PD have made millions from GT5, so in financial terms it's a success, I guess Sony & the shareholders are happy with the profits. I doubt PD genuinely care about anything else other than pursuing their own narrow minded & bizarrely Japanese nonsensical ideas (rabbit cars etc).
They're really great at making digital copies of real cars & tracks, making them look awesome in game. But when it comes to creating a realistic motor racing experience, they have all the imagination of a wet dish cloth! When I see all the creativity & innovation from GT Planet members, who organise & run online events, I wish PD would take notice & give us something similar.
GT6 will be more of the same; 'we love cars-patronising-fantasy-drivel' (with awesome looking cars & tracks of course). This time I'm expecting nothing, so that by contrast, I'll like whatever they do get right.
They're really great at making digital copies of real cars & tracks, making them look awesome in game. But when it comes to creating a realistic motor racing experience, they have all the imagination of a wet dish cloth! When I see all the creativity & innovation from GT Planet members, who organise & run online events, I wish PD would take notice & give us something similar.
GT6 will be more of the same; 'we love cars-patronising-fantasy-drivel' (with awesome looking cars & tracks of course). This time I'm expecting nothing, so that by contrast, I'll like whatever they do get right.
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PD have made millions from GT5, so in financial terms it's a success, I guess Sony & the shareholders are happy with the profits. I doubt PD genuinely care about anything else other than pursuing their own narrow minded & bizarrely Japanese nonsensical ideas (rabbit cars etc).
They're really great at making digital copies of real cars & tracks, making them look awesome in game. But when it comes to creating a realistic motor racing experience, they have all the imagination of a wet dish cloth! When I see all the creativity & innovation from GT Planet members, who organise & run online events, I wish PD would take notice & give us something similar.
GT6 will be more of the same; 'we love cars-patronising-fantasy-drivel' (with awesome looking cars & tracks of course). This time I'm expecting nothing, so that by contrast, I'll like whatever they do get right.
RED = so true
Looking good is not enough. Maybe back in 1998, but not today. That's why I've been saying that a change in management would be great. I appreciate all that KY has done (and PD, too), but a bit of change would not hurt.
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To be honest there were a few sentences in there I should of elaborated on. I mean dont get me wrong, I love most if not all of the tracks on GT5 currently. And the more the merrier is a popular phrase for a reason.
For me though, and only in the interest of making GT6 feel new and fresh, in my opinion there should ONLY be NEW tracks on the disc.
For sure they should make old tracks available as DLC, free or otherwise, but I just feel it would be such a great experience as a GT fan to get something completely new. Imagine every A-spec race when you're earning money for cars, not one or two, but EVERY track was new. Its bad enough that sometimes you're made to grind in an underpowered car for money.. but around the same track over and over, the one youve been driving for years and years already?
Trust me, GT fans wouldnt stop being GT fans because they had a couple of handfuls of brand new tracks to play on
👍But for that to be feasible PD would have to knock up some 15-20 brand new circuits minimum. Given the speed they work at that's going to take a long time. There is also still no reason to take out old circuits, they don't remove circuits in real motorsport just because they're old and been raced on for donkeys years.
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