Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[SrRd RacinG]

It's very easy to solve in my opinion.

Step 1: Break up the 800+ standard cars into 10-15 categories (SUVs/trucks/tiny cars, vans, LMP low profile cars, etc.). Car height must be taken into account and car width.

Step 2: Make generic cock-pits based on the number of categories you've made. SUV/trucks=High up cock-pit view and wide cock-pit view. Small cars= lower cockpit and narrower. LMP low profile cars=lowest cockpit view, etc, etc.

Step 3: Do it!

 

[SuperShouden]

I almost voted for "Not do 'premium' cars" just to spite all you who are complaining about the standard cars.

 

[kingcars]

I almost voted for "Not do 'premium' cars" just to spite all you who are complaining about the standard cars.

There's already a game like that, on PSP and PS2 . I apologize for not liking the "1 step forward, 2 steps back" mentality. It's not 2004 any more.

 

[McLaren]

if you don't like Gran Turismo then don't quote.

Nothing you just said makes any bit of sense, much like the rest of your posts....

 

[Tenacious D]

Speaks the self-proclaimed Gran Turismo fanboy.

And I find particularly funny how you complain all the time about Forza, yet when people complain about GT you say something followed by "problem freaking solved". You don't like Forza? Then don't play it.

Problem solved.

Okay Mr Sneer, find a post in which out of the blue I began ragging on Forza for no apparent reason. Especially, find a post in which I ignore all of Gran Turismo's shortcomings while napalming Forza without mercy.

I'll be waiting.

PD should have skipped bringing over all the GT4 cars into GT5 and just poured all their resources into selecting a good 200-300 cars with interior and damage modeling. Is quantity really more important than quality and consistency? Releasing it as it is now feels like a really sour compromise. It's not really what I expect of Gran Turismo.

You will already be getting 200 some odd Premium cars.

Is there a problem with logic on this planet?? Actually, never mind, I'm forgetting who our president is...

Anyway, you're also ignoring the fact which I have to repeat several times a day that Polyphony was forced to produce GT PSP first, when Kaz insisted he was going to make GT5 first in numerous interviews. He remarked more than once that GT PSP was such a chore that the entire team had to dro work on GT5 to finish it, and it could have taken two years of work to produce it.

No matter WHAT you want, unless you want tracks to be in GT4 uprezed quality, or use a time machine to go back and hold the board at SONY Japan hostage until they relent and let Kaz focus on GT5, you wouldn't have more than the Premium car count you have now.

 

[McLaren]

Okay Mr Sneer, find a post in which out of the blue I began ragging on Forza for no apparent reason. Especially, find a post in which I ignore all of Gran Turismo's shortcomings while napalming Forza without mercy.

I'll be waiting.

Well that's easy. Just look at all your recent posts where you repeatedly talk about Turn10's bug porting, & or how you talk about the modeling being done in Viet Nam, yet not once do you bring anything negative about GT. Wait, that's because you're too busy defending it to the death. You bring those 2 things up among some others in 2 out of every 3 posts I see you make about Forza.


We get it.

 

[jBat17]

i'm certain that all cars will have cockpit view based on a.) OPM 01/2010 said that all cars will have cockpit view and b.) There was no E3 preview that said, otherwise.


Interior view means interior details. Check out GT's official site and you will see full interior shots of premium cars with the pedals, transmission, handbrake etc. I would imagine that there is a camera angle that will allow you to view/explore these details and that's what PD means by interior view. I mean, why would PD work hard in recreating these stuff if you can't see them anyway?


Standards cars will only have cockpit view like that in GT5: Prologue, where you can't see much of the interior details except for the steering wheel and gauges.

 

[kingcars]

Standards cars will only have cockpit view like that in GT5: Prologue, where you can't see much of the interior details except for the steering wheel and gauges.

In GT5P you could look all around the interiors, which were all greatly detailed.

 

[Talon]

Sorry jBat17, that argument is a losing battle around here.

 

[Dravonic]

what do you mean by low quality and blacked out??...are you talking during gameplay??...because from the cockput view, or in photomode all cars have pretty accurate interiors...obviously not GT5 premium detailed...but pretty good...

Yes, I'm referring to gameplay and maybe replay. Don't remember if they swap the player's car with the more detailed version in replays. Don't think so.

Sorry jBat17, that argument is a losing battle around here.

Don't you think it's a little bit too optimistic to be true? If they are not using a word in it's common meaning, Kaz got wildly lost in translation and the official website can't be trusted, then we may have cockpits in standard cars.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it to be true, but it's looking too much like a fairy tale for me to believe in it.

 

[Talon]

Don't you think it's a little bit too optimistic to be true? If they are not using a word in it's common meaning, Kaz got wildly lost in translation and the official website can't be trusted, then we may have cockpits in standard cars.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it to be true, but it's looking too much like a fairy tale for me to believe in it.

Oh I don't expect it to happen either, I was more preparing him to get flamed. It would be great, and I haven't lost all hope yet, but I doubt it.

 

[yogaflame]

Once and for all may I know if all the 800 cars, the standard cars, will just be tinted glasses and no inside view? I hope not because 200 is so few. Call Forza average but at least 400 cars at least have inside view. 200 is not acceptable. 800 with tinted glasses are not acceptable. That is so 90's gaming design.

 

[killanite]

Once and for all may I know if all the 800 cars, the standard cars, will just be tinted glasses and no inside view? I hope not because 200 is so few. Call Forza average but at least 400 cars at least have inside view. 200 is not acceptable. 800 with tinted glasses are not acceptable. That is so 90's gaming design.

While Forza Does have cockpit view on all the cars, when you're actually playing (not pre-race, or replay etc) the windows all get tinted anyway and you can't really see the interiors of other cars anyway.

 

[Zonda_Guy]

I think this will all be settled at GamesCom.....hopefully!

 

[yogaflame]

I hope so , i just hope, at least not all this 800 cars will just be tinted glass to hide those cars that they did not include interior view.

 

[mykem]

Personally, I don't think it's a compromise on the part of PD. In fact, it goes with GT's philosophy of both including as many cars as possible into the game and making sure that they're at the highest level possible. While the inclusion of dashboard view is still up in the air when it comes to Standard cars, the fact that the windshields are opaque and that you can barely see the inside of the car doesn't deter the fact that these cars will not only look better than they did in GT4 but alsol have completely revamped and improved driving physics. And the latter to me is every bit as important.

However, I do admit that I'm looking forward to driving most of the Premium cars and that's mainly because of my preference in cars lately. Ferraris and most of the other supercars, the Super GT racers and GT-class racers and the recent Japanese Performance cars. But that doesn't mean that once in awhile I won't long for a '69 Camaro SS even if it's not among the Premium cars. At the end what I do know is that once I have the game in my PS3, my TV properly adjusted to it and my G25 wheel (or hopefully the Frex Simwheel) in my hands, all thoughts regarding Standard and Premium cars would simply dissipate.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

https://www.gtplanet.net/night-racing-weather-indy-cars-irl-confirmed-for-gt5/

Remember this? See second feature.

 

[Zonda_Guy]

https://www.gtplanet.net/night-racing-weather-indy-cars-irl-confirmed-for-gt5/

Remember this? See second feature.

Yep. U know it could just be that the Standard models only have a dashboard, but since the seats and the rest of the interior isn't done as highly as the Premiums they decided to make the windows black or not as easy to see through since they have nothing to really show.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

https://www.gtplanet.net/latest-yamauchi-interview-sparks-confusion/

Remember this article, too?

Standard models won't have damage modeling said KY. Now, they do. So....who knows about cock-pits.

 

[yogaflame]

at least 500 cars not just 200 cars. That is so few especially for a game that took 6 years to develop. Most of us don't want too see 800+ cars just black tinted glass to hide the feature that was not added, the interior view.

 

[Zonda_Guy]

https://www.gtplanet.net/latest-yamauchi-interview-sparks-confusion/

Remember this article, too?

Standard models won't have damage modeling said KY. Now, they do. So....who knows about cock-pits.

I also noticed it says 170 Premiums instead of ALL Premiums, but I think we have known that.

 

[yogaflame]

Well i hope PD actually visit this forum too see our sentiments and frustrations about the standard cars and just tinted glasses. But I hope if they fix this issue it will not be the cause of delay.

 

[McLaren]

While Forza Does have cockpit view on all the cars, when you're actually playing (not pre-race, or replay etc) the windows all get tinted anyway and you can't really see the interiors of other cars anyway.

They're not actually tinted, just silhouettes.

https://www.gtplanet.net/night-racing-weather-indy-cars-irl-confirmed-for-gt5/

Remember this? See second feature.

From January....

https://www.gtplanet.net/latest-yamauchi-interview-sparks-confusion/

Remember this article, too?

Standard models won't have damage modeling said KY. Now, they do. So....who knows about cock-pits.

He's referring to this.

The standard cars are only going to be getting scratches & dents, which aren't hard to model onto a body.

 

[Devedander]

https://www.gtplanet.net/night-racing-weather-indy-cars-irl-confirmed-for-gt5/

Remember this? See second feature.

Are we serioulsy revisiting the article that personally confirms IRL cars and tracks?

https://www.gtplanet.net/latest-yamauchi-interview-sparks-confusion/

Remember this article, too?

Standard models won't have damage modeling said KY. Now, they do. So....who knows about cock-pits.

Standard cars support scratches and scuffs, only the premiums have deformable, serperable body panels which is what I think was meant by damage model.

 

[freshseth83]

All cars have damage, that was confirmed. All cars will show damage, that was confirmed. All cars will suffer performance from damage, that was confirmed.

Why go into the hiss-fits over such a trivial concern as 'interior view'? 'Interior view' does NOT mean 'cockpit view' or 'interior driving position' that was NEVER said, and NEVER translated as such. The idea that 800 cars won't have a 'cockpit view' was cooked up by people who misinterpreted 'interior view' as a driving position for the camera. 800 cars is 4/5ths or 80% of all GT5 to NOT have a camera position that GT5P had? Does that make sense at all? Sure they aren't detailed or 'modeled' but to say they are absent is a false assumption. To assume so is wrong. Show us where PD or Kaz or Sony has said 'no cockpit driving position for standard cars' and we and we can put this to rest. Until then no one has any right to say those cars won't have it.

 

[dzidza]

All cars have damage, that was confirmed. All cars will show damage, that was confirmed. All cars will suffer performance from damage, that was confirmed.

Why go into the hiss-fits over such a trivial concern as 'interior view'? 'Interior view' does NOT mean 'cockpit view' or 'interior driving position' that was NEVER said, and NEVER translated as such. The idea that 800 cars won't have a 'cockpit view' was cooked up by people who misinterpreted 'interior view' as a driving position for the camera. 800 cars is 4/5ths or 80% of all GT5 to NOT have a camera position that GT5P had? Does that make sense at all? Sure they aren't detailed or 'modeled' but to say they are absent is a false assumption. To assume so is wrong. Show us where PD or Kaz or Sony has said 'no cockpit driving position for standard cars' and we and we can put this to rest. Until then no one has any right to say those cars won't have it.

Have you read his interview at honda twitter, where he mentions black frame for cockpit view for standard cars. Why do you still think there will be incar view!? Did you check Japaneses Gt page

 

[freshseth83]

Have you read his interview at honda twitter, where he mentions black frame for cockpit view for standard cars. Why do you still think there will be incar view!? Did you check Japaneses Gt page

I've read everything Kaz has said. That's a view isn't it? People are confused as to whether there is a cockpit view or not. There is, for every car. Just because some aren't as detailed as others doesn't mean there is no cockpit view for every car.

 

[dzidza]

I've read everything Kaz has said. That's a view isn't it? People are confused as to whether there is a cockpit view or not. There is, for every car. Just because some aren't as detailed as others doesn't mean there is no cockpit view for every car.

※“スタンダードカー”はインテリア視点に対応していません。 --> "Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view. This is from GT Japanese official page. It's pretty clear. So the way i see it, if they didn't model interior view, there want be a cockpit view. But we can only hope :-).

 

[Luminis]

I've read everything Kaz has said. That's a view isn't it? People are confused as to whether there is a cockpit view or not. There is, for every car. Just because some aren't as detailed as others doesn't mean there is no cockpit view for every car.

Well, to be honest, that 'black frame cockpit view' may not qualify as an actual cockpit to some people. In fact, to a lot of people, I'd guess. Putting generic black borders on the bumper cam and calling it a cockpit view is kinda stretching it, one way or another.
But it still is better than having nothing for the standard car, or not having the standard cars at all.

 

[freshseth83]

Well, to be honest, that 'black frame cockpit view' may not qualify as an actual cockpit to some people. In fact, to a lot of people, I'd guess. Putting generic black borders on the bumper cam and calling it a cockpit view is kinda stretching it, one way or another.
But it still is better than having nothing for the standard car, or not having the standard cars at all.

You know, it was a QUESTION from Kaz asking if they meant black frame as in PSP. He didn't say, Standard cars have black frame as in PSP. Someone asked interior question on Honda twitter page about them having black frame. He asked if they meant black frame like GT PSP.

I don't see confirmation there that says, standard cars have black framed interiors like PSP. And even if they do, I don't even play with cockpit view, I play bumper because that's the fastest and most accurate handling in my opinion. I don't look around my car when I'm racing. I look at the road. The interiors are nice to marvel at and all, but that's only in place when you have free time to do so, which I would say would be photo mode, or a long straight away!