Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[WeinerSchnitzel]

Have you guys thought about the idea of UNLOCKING Standard cars into Premium cars? For example; if you do a certain number of challenged for a '92 Honda Civic that is Standard, it'll go Premium. Kind of like the Pro Perks in Modern Warfare 2, if any of you guys play that..

 

[Metfanant]

Have you guys thought about the idea of UNLOCKING Standard cars into Premium cars? For example; if you do a certain number of challenged for a '92 Honda Civic that is Standard, it'll go Premium. Kind of like the Pro Perks in Modern Warfare 2, if any of you guys play that..

are you trying to speculate that is a feature of the game?

 

[Tenacious D]

Er... I don't think that's possible. I'd think we'd just have 1000 Premium cars. Going through the weirdness of having 800 Standard models at all has only resulted in a big net fight, and a huge headache for SONY PR. But then, they did force Kaz and his team to produce GT PSP first, so they only have themselves to blame for this.

 

[mykem]

You could see silhouette interiors in GT4 as well.

The actual 3D models are the same in GT5 standard as they are in GT4, but they're just touched up, maybe some nicer textures, and running in a higher resolution graphics engine.

I believe it's more than just touching up and nicer textures. The cars in GT4, due mainly to PS2 limitations are texture based (eg. the reason the grille for example aren't 3D) while even the standard cars in GT5 are fully rendered and take advantage of PS3's shaders. Apart from the opaque windshield, I'm certain that it's essentially the same quality as the cars in GT5 Prologue (which has quite a number of cars from GT4).

 

[Lucas]

And on that subject, Devedander, you're such a Forza tool that I shouldn't be surprised at what you post any more, but you have no room to talk about Gran Turismo after giving the Forza series a fistfull of passes.

Speaks the self-proclaimed Gran Turismo fanboy.

And I find particularly funny how you complain all the time about Forza, yet when people complain about GT you say something followed by "problem freaking solved". You don't like Forza? Then don't play it.

Problem solved.

 

[Akira AC]

Speaks the self-proclaimed Gran Turismo fanboy.

And I find particularly funny how you complain all the time about Forza, yet when people complain about GT you say something followed by "problem freaking solved". You don't like Forza? Then don't play it.

Problem solved.

if you don't like Gran Turismo then don't quote.

 

[Lucas]

if you don't like Gran Turismo then don't quote.

"Quote" what? His post?

Find me a single post in which I say I don't like Gran Turismo. You are in for hours of useless searching.

Gran Turismo =/= fanboys of Gran Turismo.

 

[riph]

Guys, im thinking how about we do a petition to PD, to clear this things out..tell them whos the boss...just my opinion to all this chaos.

 

[Akira AC]

"Quote" what? His post?

Find me a single post in which I say I don't like Gran Turismo. You are in for hours of useless searching.

Gran Turismo =/= fanboys of Gran Turismo.

"Siempre hay que tratar de ser el mejor, pero nunca creerse el mejor." Juan Manuel Fangio

 

[Stratosphere03]

This place has gotten rediculous already. I guess I'm out of here until the smoke clears.

 

[Lucas]

"Siempre hay que tratar de ser el mejor, pero nunca creerse el mejor." Juan Manuel Fangio

I don't understand what are you trying to say, but I agree with the following:

This place has gotten rediculous already. I guess I'm out of here until the smoke clears.

 

[gtracedriver]

unfortunately it's an old article...
polyphony always changes things during the development....

How is that old article ? That is of Feb 2010.

I do not think by January 2010 they only managed to get 200 cars with cockpit out of 950 ? and then suddenly got the idea of premium and standard cars. I don't think so.

 

[Paolosev91]

How is that old article ? That is of Feb 2010.

I do not think by January 2010 they only managed to get 200 cars with cockpit out of 950 ? and then suddenly got the idea of premium and standard cars. I don't think so.

I think that maybe they didn't confirm 1000 cars, everyone with cockpit view, PSM just invented that detail, having seen the cars in gt5 prologue and some GT5 videos

 

[CeeJay]

It's painful to see this much confusion over the details of GT5. I'm just sad because I wouldn't go as far as to say I was "lied" to but I do feel I was mislead. GT5 had a proper dashboard view for every one of the 70 or so cars (except the one prototype car I think) and I would have never guessed that GT5 would ship with two tiers of cars, those which have full details & dashboard views and have been used all of these years to advertise the game and show it off and those cars which we had no clue about until this E3 that are using a lower quality car model without a proper dashboard view.

I'm a little ticked off about it but not mad. I'm still excited to get my copy of GT5 but the excitement has now been mixed with a bit of resentment because of the tricky way this game was portrayed this whole time. This information should have been given up front so as to not appear it was done to deceive (again, I'm NOT saying this was the intention of PD but I hate the fact it can be taken that way)

 

[kingcars]

I believe it's more than just touching up and nicer textures. The cars in GT4, due mainly to PS2 limitations are texture based (eg. the reason the grille for example aren't 3D) while even the standard cars in GT5 are fully rendered and take advantage of PS3's shaders. Apart from the opaque windshield, I'm certain that it's essentially the same quality as the cars in GT5 Prologue (which has quite a number of cars from GT4).

I have no idea what you're talking about with "texture based." Car models have always been made with polygons...and they've always been rendered. How can you see a car on screen if it isn't rendered? If you're referring to the panel gaps that you see outlined with black textures, they're still like that with GT5 standard cars. You can clearly see that they still use the cheap looking black lines. The ONLY differences between GT4/GTPSP models and GT5 standard are the following:

- Some extra polygons, maybe to round off some curves better (this is just an idea, nothing I've seen concrete yet. I'm trying to be somewhat optimistic)

- Higher resolution textures

- 3D wheels ingame as opposed to GT4's flat discs

That's **IT** as far as the ACTUAL car models go. However, GT5's graphics engine obviously runs at a higher resolution and has better lighting effects, so the cars will naturally look better, but that's not due to any actual upgrade to the cars themselves. The cheapo silhouette interiors and dark windows are still in full force, and crappier looking than ever when parked next to a premium car. Anybody who thinks GT5's standard models look as good or better than those of any quality racing game made during the past 2-3 years is kidding themselves. I haven't seen a game use generic silhouette interiors since..........GT4.

EDIT: Nevermind, I do see what you're saying about the texture based stuff. I am also hoping that with the extra polygons that they added a few more 3D features like you said. But I also wonder why they couldnt use the extra polygons to make actual interiors. They don't have to be up to the ridiculously intricate detail of the premium cars.

 

[Dravonic]

I have no idea what you're talking about with "texture based." Car models have always been made with polygons...and they've always been rendered. How can you see a car on screen if it isn't rendered? If you're referring to the panel gaps that you see outlined with black textures, they're still like that with GT5 standard cars. You can clearly see that they still use the cheap looking black lines. The ONLY differences between GT4/GTPSP models and GT5 standard are the following:

- Some extra polygons, maybe to round off some curves better (this is just an idea, nothing I've seen concrete yet. I'm trying to be somewhat optimistic)

- Higher resolution textures

- 3D wheels ingame as opposed to GT4's flat discs

That's **IT** as far as the ACTUAL car models go. However, GT5's graphics engine obviously runs at a higher resolution and has better lighting effects, so the cars will naturally look better, but that's not due to any actual upgrade to the cars themselves. The cheapo silhouette interiors and dark windows are still in full force, and crappier looking than ever when parked next to a premium car. Anybody who thinks GT5's standard models look as good or better than those of any quality racing game made during the past 2-3 years is kidding themselves. I haven't seen a game use generic silhouette interiors since..........GT4.

As much as I hate to be just another guy bringing Forza to the table... Well, that's what I'm gonna do.

Forza 3 released less than a year ago uses "generic silhouette interiors". Except in a few cases like photo mode and cockpit view.

Not that I don't agree with you, but you went too far with that bit there.

 

[kingcars]

As much as I hate to be just another guy bringing Forza to the table... Well, that's what I'm gonna do.

Forza 3 released less than a year ago uses "generic silhouette interiors". Except in a few cases like photo mode and cockpit view.

Not that I don't agree with you, but you went too far with that bit there.

Hmmm...

Looks like they have interiors and animated drivers to me. Not nearly as detailed as GT5's premium cars, but it still looks way better to me than a standard GT5 car.

 

[Dravonic]

Hmmm...

Looks like they have interiors and animated drivers to me. Not nearly as detailed as GT5's premium cars, but it still looks way better to me than a standard GT5 car.

Selective reading much?

As much as I hate to be just another guy bringing Forza to the table... Well, that's what I'm gonna do.

Forza 3 released less than a year ago uses "generic silhouette interiors". Except in a few cases like photo mode and cockpit view.

Not that I don't agree with you, but you went too far with that bit there.

Although yeah, they aren't exactly generic since they do differ a bit from car to car. However they are low detailed to the point they are blacked out so you can barely see them.

 

[kingcars]

Selective reading much?

No, I read that part and found screenshots of replays...those don't look like photomode to me.

EDIT: Here's a video of a replay showing the same style interior as those screenshots http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14345839/forza-3/videos/forza3_gmp_cancerous86_111909.html

And like I said, they're not nearly as good as even what NFS Shift's cars have, but still much better than GT5's standard cars.

 

[Dravonic]

No, I read that part and found screenshots of replays...those don't look like photomode to me.

EDIT: Here's a video of a replay showing the same style interior as those screenshots http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14345839/forza-3/videos/forza3_gmp_cancerous86_111909.html

And like I said, they're not nearly as good as even what NFS Shift's cars have, but still much better than GT5's standard cars.

Those pics are photo mode, more detailed car models and all.

But yeah I was too quick to call them generic. My memory betrayed me. Low quality and blacked out, but not generic since they actually show each car's interior outlines. Better from what I've seen so far from GT5's standard cars.

 

[Metfanant]

No, I read that part and found screenshots of replays...those don't look like photomode to me.

EDIT: Here's a video of a replay showing the same style interior as those screenshots http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14345839/forza-3/videos/forza3_gmp_cancerous86_111909.html

And like I said, they're not nearly as good as even what NFS Shift's cars have, but still much better than GT5's standard cars.

the replays and photomode are the same thing in Forza...those "shots" are taken using photomode...any car you want to see...ill fire up Forza right now and take some pics for you...

Those pics are photo mode, more detailed car models and all.

But yeah I was too quick to call them generic. My memory betrayed me. Low quality and blacked out, but not generic since they actually show each cars interiors outlines. Better from what I've seen so far from GT5's standard cars.

what do you mean by low quality and blacked out??...are you talking during gameplay??...because from the cockput view, or in photomode all cars have pretty accurate interiors...obviously not GT5 premium detailed...but pretty good...

 

[kingcars]

the replays and photomode are the same thing in Forza...those "shots" are taken using photomode...any car you want to see...ill fire up Forza right now and take some pics for you...

That would be great, thanks! I hate depending on google or ign for a specific shot I wanna see.

Those pics are photo mode, more detailed car models and all.

But yeah I was too quick to call them generic. My memory betrayed me. Low quality and blacked out, but not generic since they actually show each car's interior outlines. Better from what I've seen so far from GT5's standard cars.

It's all good...I might be wrong instead, depending on how Met's pics look. Even so, I DID say "quality" game so my statement will still stand LOL.

 

[Metfanant]

That would be great, thanks! I hate depending on google or ign for a specific shot I wanna see.

Well...what do you want to see? lol...

also...occasionally the Forza website is slow to update...so if you tell me what car you might like to see and what you would like to see it doing lol ill upload it and post them here later after dinner with my old man for Father's Day...

 

[kingcars]

Well...what do you want to see? lol...

also...occasionally the Forza website is slow to update...so if you tell me what car you might like to see and what you would like to see it doing lol ill upload it and post them here later after dinner with my old man for Father's Day...

Just get an ingame, non-photo mode picture of a car so we can clearly see the detail (or lack thereof) of the interior. Doesn't matter the car, though looking at some screenshots, I noticed some cars' windows were REALLY dark, so use a regular car that doesn't have crazy Limo tint.

 

[Zlimness]

PD should have skipped bringing over all the GT4 cars into GT5 and just poured all their resources into selecting a good 200-300 cars with interior and damage modeling. Is quantity really more important than quality and consistency? Releasing it as it is now feels like a really sour compromise. It's not really what I expect of Gran Turismo.

 

[Metfanant]

Just get an ingame, non-photo mode picture of a car so we can clearly see the detail (or lack thereof) of the interior. Doesn't matter the car, though looking at some screenshots, I noticed some cars' windows were REALLY dark, so use a regular car that doesn't have crazy Limo tint.

wait...so you want to see something from the interior view? or from the outside of the car during gameplay???...

The game won't let you capture unless you're in a replay or photomode...

 

[kingcars]

wait...so you want to see something from the interior view? or from the outside of the car during gameplay???...

The game won't let you capture unless you're in a replay or photomode...

From the outside looking in (hence why I mentioned not choosing a car with limo tint). You said that in replay mode, the car models are different. Dravonic and I were debating the detail of the interiors as seen from the outside. Are the interiors any different in replays?

 

[Metfanant]

From the outside looking in (hence why I mentioned not choosing a car with limo tint). You said that in replay mode, the car models are different. Dravonic and I were debating the detail of the interiors as seen from the outside. Are the interiors any different in replays?

not that ive noticed at all...they look the same to me in replay mode as they do when playing in cockpit view

 

[JDMKING13]

I have forza 3 and when playing in a actual race you cannot see the interior as you can in GT5P. If a car is next to me and i look at the opponent car the interior will be kinda blacked out, this is not the case for GT5P while driving during a actual race if i look at the opponent car next to me i can see everything in his car its beautiful. Only in replay mode Photo mode and the game screen is where you see interior in Forza3. Photo mode and the game screen where it shows your car in different angles, Show the best interior shot 👍

 

[kingcars]

I have forza 3 and when playing in a actual race you cannot see the interior as you can in GT5P. If a car is next to me and i look at the opponent car the interior will be kinda blacked out, this is not the case for GT5P while driving during a actual race if i look at the opponent car next to me i can see everything in his car its beautiful. Only in replay mode Photo mode and the game screen is where you see interior in Forza3. Photo mode and the game screen where it shows your car in different angles, Show the best interior shot 👍

Thanks for the info. That's still incredibly lame imo, on both Forza's part and GT5's standard cars. There are 8 year old PC games that show full interiors and animated drivers. But oh well, I guess I'll be ok once I'm whipping around the Nurb in a premium Corvette ZR1 👍 . Just hope there aren't any standard cars around me!