Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Spagetti69]

Don't think it's that ivor.
The cockpit or lack of, is the main factor.
For me anyway.

 

[Dravonic]

My thoughts about this endless debate:

When building such 3D objects for video-gaming, generally a high-poly model is created first, and then this high-poly model is downgraded to fit the console computational capacities.
At least, I expect such a process has been done for the creation of GT4 cars. So, when it comes to GT5 standard cars, why wouldn't they come from the GT4 high-poly models source files, only with less (or no) downgrade? In that case, I don't think it's worth fretting over GT5 standard cars quality.

That's all folks.

All fine and dandy, but why is the GT4 model in the trailer and not the higher poly model? I'm afraid they were not done this way.

And the only reason I can think of why higher poly models are made in the first place is for normal mapping. I never heard of normal mapping being used in GT4.

 

[shirakawaa]

There's another difference between standard and premium models.
The former make heavy usage of clever texture lightning/shading tricks to give the impression of being much more detailed than the model (and CPU processing power, up to the PS2) allow. Premium models appear by comparison to have much less, if any, "textured shading".

 

[regnar]

Unless I'm missing the context, this shot is from Forza 3 at Tsukuba Circuit turn 1. Though I could be wrong

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[Strittan]

Unless I'm missing the context, this shot is from Forza 3 at Tsukuba Circuit turn 1. Though I could be wrong

WTF? Are you serious!?

Seriously.. it's GT5. Looks so much better and more detailed than Forza 3.

 

[G.T.Ace]

 

[shirakawaa]

A Forza 3 screenshot would have looked more cartoonish due to less sophisticated lightning techniques.

 

[Piotrov]

For one the cars in Forza have no body roll...

 

[regnar]

WTF? Are you serious!?

Seriously.. it's GT5. Looks so much better and more detailed than Forza 3.

Multitasking, my bad, the helmets are a dead giveaway. Glad to make someone laugh.

 

[eSZee]

Unless I'm missing the context, this shot is from Forza 3 at Tsukuba Circuit turn 1. Though I could be wrong

There is no MA70 supra in FM3, as far as I'm aware. Though the same thought crossed my mind as these cars don't quite look as good as other premiums to me.

 

[hardvibes]

^^What they said
And look at the helmets. Plus I don't recall any of those cars in fm3 having the driver position on the right.

 

[Strittan]

Ok guys, give him a break. He realized he was mistaken, so enough further telling him he was wrong.

 

[motortrend]

I hope those are non-premiums, even though they will probably be premiums.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Why?

 

[motortrend]

Because if those are standards then standards will look great.

 

[G.T.Ace]

If they would be Standard there wouldn't be a difference between Standard and Premium. lol

 

[motortrend]

True...... But there still is hope!

 

[Tenacious D]

I'm flattered that Tenacious can't seem to post without mentioning me by name (again, considering I let the previous thing drop, someone isn't over it), and that he still gets his (likely GT-logo'd) panties in a twist over it, but I don't see the Standards as near-copies of real-life images.

Sorry, I don't wear grundies. Oh, how little you know of me, Slip.

But honestly, you have been the quickest to pounce on any Standard car image or discussion of it as something to be slapped down if the context is admiration of them. But I suppose I should address posters directly.

If you actually think that you'll have to look hard to find flaws in the standard cars.....oh well, that's you. I can put on beer goggles and tell you a standard from a premium.

Quite honestly, I do have to look at some of the Premium car shots fairly closely to make sure which class of car I'm seeing.

Just take the image of the Japanese cars at Tsukuba with the gun-black Toyota Supra front and center. A few posters have to look twice to see if they're definitely Premiums. Someone wondered if it could have been mixed up with a Forza 3 shot. Or if all the cars are Premium.

I think this illustrates how the differences between these two classes aren't going to be eye bleedingly different in game, in garage or whatever. And considering that the non-player car models in Forza 3 are really atrocious, and this hasn't stopped anyone from snapping pic after pic of them, I think the whole matter is only going to be an issue with the usual handful of malcontents. But I expect the whole matter - other than cockpits - to fizzle pretty soon, perhaps even as early as this week if we get something substantial on the Standard cars, and possibly Standard tracks if GT5 has them.

 

[Dravonic]

Quite honestly, I do have to look at some of the Premium car shots fairly closely to make sure which class of car I'm seeing.

Just take the image of the Japanese cars at Tsukuba with the gun-black Toyota Supra front and center. A few posters have to look twice to see if they're definitely Premiums. Someone wondered if it could have been mixed up with a Forza 3 shot. Or if all the cars are Premium.

I think this illustrates how the differences between these two classes aren't going to be eye bleedingly different in game, in garage or whatever. And considering that the non-player car models in Forza 3 are really atrocious, and this hasn't stopped anyone from snapping pic after pic of them, I think the whole matter is only going to be an issue with the usual handful of malcontents. But I expect the whole matter - other than cockpits - to fizzle pretty soon, perhaps even as early as this week if we get something substantial on the Standard cars, and possibly Standard tracks if GT5 has them.

Well that's you. I'm unfortunately with those who can tell the difference with just a glance.

And the biggest reason poeple though that shot was from forza was not due to low poly or textures, but the plastic look the car has.

 

[Devedander]

these two classes aren't going to be eye bleedingly different in game,

It's funny that that's the same term DG used about FM3's detail debacle and I don't recall a lot of GT fans giving much ground on it back then...

 

[Akira AC]

look carefully to the booth,you can see some details on it like the sirens for rain races and the detail of the textures in the "yokohama wall" which has some signs of getting oxidant.

 

[Forza4life]

Noice

 

[Tenacious D]

It's funny that that's the same term DG used about FM3's detail debacle and I don't recall a lot of GT fans giving much ground on it back then...

Well, consider that Dan Greenawalt had gone to great lengths to "hint" that Forza 3 was more popular than Jesus, and probably better to worship. And along with that, Forza 3 had such a heavy stream of calculations of all kinds going on, and the car models were so detailed, that they just couldn't get more than eight cars on track at once.

And then someone took a pic of one of those other seven cars. And of course we laughed. I'm still baffled as to why they can't get5 more than seven other cars on track with such low level of detail. I joked before all the info on F3 came out that they could maybe get nine cars on track. I had no idea of the impending irony.

Of course, now another group are laughing and grouching about the Standards, especially if it holds true that they have no interior view whatsoever. Maybe Kazunori sensei can sweeten the deal with more detail and cars reskinned. And the possibility that Standard only races could have more than 16 cars. He has been trying to increase the car count in race to 20 or so, but we still have no indication of that with Premium cars. Would a Standard car race with 20 cars, or 24 cars, or possibly 30 cars be more appealing? I don't know. Some people are determined that they're going to hate Standards no matter what. I guess we'll see when they play the game, and decide maybe they'll touch one of them with a ten foot USB cable.

By the way, I wish my Supra had that more aggressive nose.

 

[eSZee]

By the way, I wish my Supra had that more aggressive nose.

It's just 3 extra ducts in the bumper. I'm sure you can import it from somewhere.

 

[CoolColJ]

Some Standards and Premiums listed, even though all have dark windows
A page from the CE Apex book

 

[hahahachungy]

some standards and premiums listed, even though all have dark windows :d
a page from the ce apex book

where did you get that from

 

[freshseth83]

They are on the letter A on that page, but where is Acura?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

It doesn't look like the first page; Alfa has a lot more than just the Brera.

CCJ, zoom in any and you'll see a difference between windshield opacity. Specifically the DB9's.

 

[big dani]

They are on the letter A on that page, but where is Acura?

Acura and rest of Alfa cars are on previous page 218-219

 

[Nielsen]

Is there anything on that page which indicates whether a car is premium or standard?