Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Captain Roh]

Give Kazunori and the PD team some recognition for their accomplishments rather than bash them for spoiling you're unrealistic gaming fantasies!

 

[Revelation1115]

Give Kazunori and the PD team some recognition for their accomplishments rather than bash them for spoiling you're unrealistic gaming fantasies!

exactly! it is very unrealistic (in this time and age) to have 1000+ fully detailed premium cars, dynamic weather, skidmarks, wipers, damage, and everything else gt5 has to offer. maybe with the ps4, but with the ps3 obviously not. the game already takes up 10gb on the harddrive! that just shows how massive and advanced this game really is..

 

[Killinator]

Dude, Im probly just as much a 'real' GT fan as you in terms of all games owned, all cars aquired, black, etc. And believe me, I put alot of hours in, the like of which no man can fathom!(GT3) What's unfair is that you guys are putting your own wishes upon the rest of the GT world. It's not enough that we got day/night, weather, cockpit, karting, 3DHD, motion dection, GPS mapping. No, you guys want EVERYTHING. Why not make your own game or contribute something of worth to Kaz and his team and stop being immature?

Are you for real,
Why not make my own game, erm I'm one person with only basic programming skills, not a game company funded by one of the largest electrical goods manufacturers on the planet making the PS3's flagship title,

Contribute to Kaz,
How exactly would I do that, and for that matter, what have you contributed apart from maybe some brown-nosing?
I don't want everything, I explained that,
We're putting 'our' wishes on all GT fans,
So you don't wish there was cockpit view for all cars???

The thread is the standards vs premiums debate, I'm debating my point of view, that isn't immature, its to be expected,
Look at the size of this thread, its fairly obvious this is a decisive issue.

EDIT: I also never meant to infer you were not a real GT fan, if thats what you read from my post.

 

[PirateThom]

If I was given $60m, the time PD have had and the marketing power their brand has, I'd probably not have made a game and have been wasted on a yatch somewhere, so, you know, consider yourself lucky GT5 exists at all.

 

[Revelation1115]

I hope I can get me a decent performing premium car from the used car list right from the beginning.

yeah, hopefully not all premium cars are like a million credits

 

[STJ88]

Its still very strange that Kaz hasn't realy shown us good pictures of the Standard cars.

 

[BlacqueJacques]

If I was given $60m, the time PD have had and the marketing power their brand has, I'd probably not have made a game and have been wasted on a yatch somewhere, so, you know, consider yourself lucky GT5 exists at all.

I probably would have done the same

Except I would be on a yacht

 

[Revelation1115]

Its still very strange that Kaz hasn't realy shown us good pictures of the Standard cars.

he doesnt have to.. just play gt4 and youll see

 

[Steph290]

How they look compared to premiums,
Will they race alongside premiums,
Will they look bad in photomode(if you can even use them in photomode),
Will they be as customisable as premiums,
Will they sound as bad as they did in that short trailer,
What will damage be like for them(visual and mechanical).

Those are a few questions that could do with clearing up,
and not just with specualtion but actual facts.

Damn! Dude, what will be left for the buyers to find out for themselves? As if we didn't get enough info on GT5 already, smh. That just leaves nothing to be discovered afterward.

 

[Revelation1115]

how many games out there have you seen with 200+ cockpit views? none? exactly. so stop complaining.

wait.. forza has 400+ customizable cars according to wikipedia.."The game includes over 400 customizable cars (and another 5 in the bonus pack)"

but still.. gt5 has a 1000+ cars! lol

 

[Killinator]

Damn! Dude, what will be left for the buyers to find out for themselves? As if we didn't get enough info on GT5 already, smh. That just leaves nothing to be discovered afterward.

Because everyone wants to know nothing about the potentialy worst part of the game until they've bought it!
Those are questions that need to be awnsered alot more than showing us glimpses of an X1 prototype or track editor,
But then again it would'nt look quite as good if PD had to face the media with some info about standards, takes the gloss off abit.

how many games out there have you seen with 200+ cockpit views? none? exactly. so stop complaining.

'cough'Forza'cough'

 

[eSZee]

how many games out there have you seen with 200+ cockpit views? none? exactly. so stop complaining.

Forza 3.......... You asked.

 

[Steph290]

The thread is the standards vs premiums debate, I'm debating my point of view, that isn't immature, its to be expected,
Look at the size of this thread, its fairly obvious this is a decisive issue.

EDIT: I also never meant to infer you were not a real GT fan, if thats what you read from my post.

I was being sarcastic about creating your own game, but anyway, my PS3 is cleaned out, Im hungry, and the thread continues. No hard feelings dude, just my opinions. Later man! Hey, we might meet in GT5 and settle this in a race?

 

[Killinator]

I was being sarcastic about creating your own game, but anyway, my PS3 is cleaned out, Im hungry, and the thread continues. No hard feelings dude, just my opinions. Later man! Hey, we might meet in GT5 and settle this in a race?

Fair enough dude, see you on the black-top

 

[BlacqueJacques]

Yeah I'm complaining... so I pre-ordered the CE

I think its more about stating how much the enjoyment level goes up for those of us that enjoy driving/racing from the seat, rather than the bumper, roof, bonnet, or chase (not even possible to float a camera there in real life-though I admit chase cam looks most pretty 👍) floating position.

 

[Revelation1115]

Forza 3.......... You asked.

lol yeah i just researched forza 3 coz after i posted it, i thought about the time i played forza 3 at my friends house and i had a hard time picking what car to customize! lol

 

[Steph290]

Forza 3.......... You asked.

Next time Revelation1115, you mention the physics, weather, and tuning details in addition to the 200+ cockpit view. Srry to say, I saw it coming, lol.

 

[Revelation1115]

Next time Revelation1115, you mention the physics, weather, and tuning details in addition to the 200+ cockpit view. Srry to say, I saw it coming, lol.

lol yeah i forgot about all those.. not to mention the highly detailed graphics on the premium cars.. ive played forza3 many times in HD 1080p and the cockpit views look okay (looks kinda like MC:LA)

 

[DingoDile]

200 GT5 cockpits are far better than 400 Forza 3 cockpits. i think that PD could make some of Forza 3 cockpits for standard cars ...

 

[PirateThom]

I probably would have done the same

Except I would be on a yacht

That's the being wasted part, has impeeded by spelling as well.

 

[Revelation1115]

200 GT5 cockpits are far better than 400 Forza 3 cockpits. i think that PD could make some of Forza 3 cockpits for standard cars ...

exactly. they might have 400 cockpit views, but they're subpar compared to the 200+ gt5 cockpit views.

 

[Griffith500]

I wonder if PD just don't see it as a big deal. You know, because they've just included the "Standards" as an extra thing for those players that would miss certain cars (given the revamped physics, weather etc.) since they knew they were going to have to cut down the car list dramatically for the next game. That's certainly in line with their original plan for GT:HD.

It's a bit like when Kaz laughed at the skidmarks thing. He obviously finds it amusing that we obsess over certain stuff that he himself knows everything about. He can clearly see why things are a certain way, and he's probably taken aback when the fans get it all wrong. Blame communication (they are Japanese; I wonder if these issues are as prominent in Japan?), maybe, I don't know. I suppose that's the biggest issue, that some people feel they were promised 1000+ cars of the same standard - sorry, Premium.

Frankly, now's about the time to get over that and just consider the facts, outside of any "promises" expressed or implied (anyone remember GT4?): there are 200+ GT5 cars, and the GT4 and GTPSP cars are going to be playable too, but probably not have all of the GT5-specific features.

Customisation, sound, and cockpit view are the few things (that I can think of) which will probably suffer. (Feel free to add to this, of course...)
Weather ought not be an issue for the Standards (it's just particle / shader / screen-space effects, excluding a particular viewpoint).
Same for Day / Night (it's just lighting).
Then there is the questionable assertion that they look crap next to Premiums. Personally, I don't care about that, but for others, it's the single thing which incenses them. That on / off switch for Standards is almost definitely a good idea.

I'll probably get a lot of stick for this post, something about "PD sympathiser", but **** it.

 

[BlacqueJacques]

That's the being wasted part, has impeeded by spelling as well.

Yeah an edumucation can be wasted

That is why one of my heroes is Ricky from Trailer Park Boys (great tv show) because he went back to school to get his effen grade 10 eh

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I wonder if PD just don't see it as a big deal. You know, because they've just included the "Standards" as an extra thing for those players that would miss certain cars (given the revamped physics, weather etc.) since they knew they were going to have to cut down the car list dramatically for the next game. That's certainly in line with their original plan for GT:HD.

It's a bit like when Kaz laughed at the skidmarks thing. He obviously finds it amusing that we obsess over certain stuff that he himself knows everything about. He can clearly see why things are a certain way, and he's probably taken aback when the fans get it all wrong. Blame communication (they are Japanese; I wonder if these issues are as prominent in Japan?), maybe, I don't know. I suppose that's the biggest issue, that some people feel they were promised 1000+ cars of the same standard - sorry, Premium.

Frankly, now's about the time to get over that and just consider the facts, outside of any "promises" expressed or implied (anyone remember GT4?): there are 200+ GT5 cars, and the GT4 and GTPSP cars are going to be playable too, but probably not have all of the GT5-specific features.

Customisation, sound, and cockpit view are the few things (that I can think of) which will probably suffer. (Feel free to add to this, of course...)
Weather ought not be an issue for the Standards (it's just particle / shader / screen-space effects, excluding a particular viewpoint).
Same for Day / Night (it's just lighting).
Then there is the questionable assertion that they look crap next to Premiums. Personally, I don't care about that, but for others, it's the single thing which incenses them. That on / off switch for Standards is almost definitely a good idea.

I'll probably get a lot of stick for this post, something about "PD sympathiser", but **** it.

PD Sympathiser!



Actually, I largely agree with your post. I still wonder about some specifics of Standards and how they'll be different from Premiums (modifications, and if they actually cast real light to see during night races, instead of previous games' textures). I do hope the screen effects for weather apply to all views, simply to ensure we all have visibility hindered on a more or less even amount. I don't want the guy in chase cam to get a clean view ahead while I'm stuck with a blurry screen because I chose the more realistic view point.

I'm looking forward to GT5; but I just view the game a bit differently than others. I see a new game with 200+ cars and a ton of features. I see Standards in the same way I see the God Of War collection; a nostalgic extra. They certainly are convenient though, since it gives me one less reason to ever need to hook up my PS2 and play GT4 again.

 

[Tornado]

if you want to see the standard cars, just play gt4

What does that even mean in response to what I said?

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I wonder if PD just don't see it as a big deal. You know, because they've just included the "Standards" as an extra thing for those players that would miss certain cars (given the revamped physics, weather etc.) since they knew they were going to have to cut down the car list dramatically for the next game. That's certainly in line with their original plan for GT:HD.

It's a bit like when Kaz laughed at the skidmarks thing. He obviously finds it amusing that we obsess over certain stuff that he himself knows everything about. He can clearly see why things are a certain way, and he's probably taken aback when the fans get it all wrong. Blame communication (they are Japanese; I wonder if these issues are as prominent in Japan?), maybe, I don't know. I suppose that's the biggest issue, that some people feel they were promised 1000+ cars of the same standard - sorry, Premium.

Frankly, now's about the time to get over that and just consider the facts, outside of any "promises" expressed or implied (anyone remember GT4?): there are 200+ GT5 cars, and the GT4 and GTPSP cars are going to be playable too, but probably not have all of the GT5-specific features.

Customisation, sound, and cockpit view are the few things (that I can think of) which will probably suffer. (Feel free to add to this, of course...)
Weather ought not be an issue for the Standards (it's just particle / shader / screen-space effects, excluding a particular viewpoint).
Same for Day / Night (it's just lighting).
Then there is the questionable assertion that they look crap next to Premiums. Personally, I don't care about that, but for others, it's the single thing which incenses them. That on / off switch for Standards is almost definitely a good idea.

I'll probably get a lot of stick for this post, something about "PD sympathiser", but **** it.

What PD knew or planned, (assuming there was one) is anybody's guess.

We were never promised anything, but rather in the absence of specifics, left open to draw your own expectational conclusions. IMO especially after GT5P.

In review of all that has gone before, at some point there had to be a realization that there were not enough resources to develop all the features and have all premium cars. Maybe it was from the gitgo, but the opposite, as indicated could easily be considered a real probability as we passed the 4-5 yr mark with still a ways to go.

It doesn't necessarily dampen my enthusiasm for the "finally released GT5" but I'm not sure how much of that at this point is just "give me what you got and and let me play it already".

Once I can do that, I'll let you know whether " I'm over it or not".

BTW I don't consider you a PD sympathiser because of your comment.
But then again, truth be known, I guess we all are to some extent or another.

 

[FlourescentBlak]

My theory is GT5 is like GT3 and they are making GT6 as efficiently as possible like GT4. In the process we get GT5.

I hope GT6 is a two disc game. I am already certain that it will be a more complete PS3 title than GT5. It's just we have been waiting so long from 4 to 5 that 5 means so much to us fans/players.

Either way. Nov 2nd can't come soon enough.

I will assume that GT6 is a completed GT5 for PS3 but what is in store for GT7? That will be something.

I wish crashes in GT were like Burnout where the cars desintegrate realistically. None of this crashing 5 times and having yor car run. It should be you make a mistake you are out of the race.

 

[Spagetti69]

^ Thats alot of GT's lol.

 

[Griffith500]

What PD knew or planned, (assuming there was one) is anybody's guess.

We were never promised anything, but rather in the absence of specifics, left open to draw your own expectational conclusions. IMO especially after GT5P.

In review of all that has gone before, at some point there had to be a realization that there were not enough resources to develop all the features and have all premium cars. Maybe it was from the gitgo, but the opposite, as indicated could easily be considered a real probability as we passed the 4-5 yr mark with still a ways to go.

It doesn't necessarily dampen my enthusiasm for the "finally released GT5" but I'm not sure how much of that at this point is just "give me what you got and and let me play it already".

Once I can do that, I'll let you know whether " I'm over it or not".

BTW I don't consider you a PD sympathiser because of your comment.
But then again, truth be known, I guess we all are to some extent or another.

I appreciate your viewpoint, it can be a bit of a rollercoaster trying not to get too wound up by your own expectations! The lack of information, as you say, most certainly hasn't helped. I will say that I personally believe that PD knew it was going to take them a long time to create these new assets, and is why, I think, GT:HD was dreamed up in the first place.

And, with "get over it", I probably should have said "move on from it", but that's probably no better. There's a lot still up in the air, yet to be announced / confirmed.

 

[Revelation1115]

What does that even mean in response to what I said?

you said they havent shown the standard cars in any of the big stages, well they dont have to because gt4 is ALL standard cars