Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"
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They added those 800 cars (among with standard tracks) specially for we don't have to play GT4 anymore.Real GT5 - is "all-premium" game!
Please don't talk about standard tracks as a fact. http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5312p3.html - it does not give us reason to believe there are standard tracks despite numerous calculations on this forum.
"In addition to the new courses appearing in Gran Turismo 5, you can also expect to see select fan-favorites from past Gran Turismo titles.
While these modern recreations have been rebuilt from scratch to drastically improve their quality, they still maintain the allure of the original courses that fans know and love. Get ready to re-experience these tracks for the first time."
That would make them premium and I'm sure that they do not specifically refer to Laguna Seca and Trial Mountain.
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People are never going to be happy with this game! If they did all the cars 'premium' it would have taken another year to release, and then people would complain 'why didnt they just release what they had??'!!!
Think of it this way, your paying for 200 premium cars of the best quality ever seen in a video game and they are giving you 800 standard cars for free, because they can.
Think of it this way, your paying for 200 premium cars of the best quality ever seen in a video game and they are giving you 800 standard cars for free, because they can.
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Hate to burst your bubble but there were tracks in previous demo's ( E3? ) which were clearly labelled as Premium, if those do exist then it's safe to assume Standard tracks also exist.
Maybe they won't be named as such in the final game but there seems to be a distinction between those tracks, otherwise why label certain tracks ( Nürburgring and Le Sarthe for example ) as Premium?
Might have to do with day/night cycle and dynamic weather only being available on those tracks.
To be honest, to me this isn't a big deal, at least not on the scale of the distinction between carmodels.
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Yes I saw that too in an early demo but this premium track catagorization hasn't been seen at Gamescom or TGS. Officially there is no separation even though there may have been a reason to label them as such in the first place. However, I think alucard0712 refers to standard tracks as some which have been carried over from previous titles and polished to PS3 standards. Since it's written like a comparison similar to the premium/standard car issue. In that sense I don't think we will see any standard tracks. Primarily because of what I read and quoted from gran-turismo.com. The lack of weather and day/night cycles is as you mention is the separation I find most likely.
Yes and that may just have been a compromise as they probably didn't have time to give each track several visual settings.
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Yes, it definitely is compared to real life... I probably should've added "comparatively" somewhere in there
.A solid bonnet cam, right at the base of the windshield, would satisfy me immensely. Why does PD bother with a roof cam?
Yes, let's hope the final build does have some sort of screen effects on the remaining views. It only makes sense to me.
Yeah, cockpit view does need a wider angle, and I'm wondering why that hasn't been addressed. The Citroen racer is probably the most ridiculous example now; seriously, is that 1/6th of the screen dedicated to the actual track? Jeez PD, that thing is going to be self-induced torture in weather.
The Trial Mountain GTbyC video proves that yes, there is a difference in the angle between bumper and cockpit. Not much, I'll admit it was higher than a front splitter, and further back than being on the nose of the car... which is exactly why I don't like bumper view, because I don't have any defined limits on my car's dimensions. In a NASCAR race, for example, that could be an issue.
It's unrealistic to expect all tracks were rebuilt from scratch considering how long it takes them to do such a thing. There might just be texture re-skinning for some tracks; which is okay really, because other than accepting new features like time of day and weather, tracks don't really need as much of an upgrade as the cars themselves.
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Your disagreeing with the use of the word standard, but referring to an the article that says otherwise. PD is clearly pointing out that theirs a difference between tracks such as Trial Mountain & Laguna Seca that are built from scratch to improve their quality, which infers other track yet not seen might not be built from scratch. Being a modeler mainly architectural, I can see it would be more advantageous for PD to reuse the track models updating texture & objects. I think the word standard is viewed as inferior, but if PD does their job it's possible that you might not be able to discern from the scratch built track & one that started from an existing asset.
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personally i dont' complain about them being in the game, it's fantastic.. i will complain if i'm forced to use those gt4 cars in the gtmode, cause i want to play gt5 full experience all the time and standard cars don't give the full experience cause there is no cockpit (key feature.. really big let down ..but ok they can't do it in 5 years), no visually weather effects, no aesthetic damage, probably not the same tuning. I'm mean i'm ok with them being in the game but not ok with the fact that they give a totally different experience. I don't want to play gt4hd during gt5.
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It may be unrealistic but I want to believe the official site. Chances are of course that the author of the article hasn't understood it correctly or something was lost in translation. I won't complain about a separation if it's hard to see the difference anyway. On the other hand, it will annoy me if certain tracks stand out as being visually inferior. It's easy to ignore 800 standard cars when we get 200 premium cars. However, it's harder to ignore tracks because they don't offer the ultimate experience.
Your disagreeing with the use of the word standard, but referring to an the article that says otherwise. PD is clearly pointing out that theirs a difference between tracks such as Trial Mountain & Laguna Seca that are built from scratch to improve their quality, which infers other track yet not seen might not be built from scratch. Being a modeler mainly architectural, I can see it would be more advantageous for PD to reuse the track models updating texture & objects. I think the word standard is viewed as inferior, but if PD does their job it's possible that you might not be able to discern from the scratch built track & one that started from an existing asset.
You understand the article differently then. I won't be the judge to say who understands it correctly but here is how I read it.
"In addition to the new courses appearing in Gran Turismo 5, you can also expect to see select fan-favorites from past Gran Turismo titles.
While these modern recreations have been rebuilt from scratch to drastically improve their quality, they still maintain the allure of the original courses that fans know and love. Get ready to re-experience these tracks for the first time."
I think "these" simply refer to all tracks making a return and not just Laguna Seca and Trial Mountian. Those two are just announced in the article as tracks making a return. It's the way it's written.
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The article on PD site is titled "Popular Tracks From the Past, Rebuilt to GT5 Quality", would all the returning tracks be treated to the level of popular?, I think PD is emphasizing these two tracks as being premium. I assuming most, not all tracks from GT4 will return, but built at a different quality. Just a wait and see, I could easily be wrong
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The article on PD site is titled "Popular Tracks From the Past, Rebuilt to GT5 Quality", would all the returning tracks be treated to the level of popular?, I think PD is emphasizing these two tracks as being premium. I assuming most, not all tracks from GT4 will return, but built at a different quality. Just a wait and see, I could easily be wrong
It also says that select fan favourites will return. I think those carefully selected tracks are in fact the most popular tracks. That also tells me some of the old tracks have been left out to make room for new ones. Otherwise it wouldn't be select tracks. As you say, let's wait and see but I'll keep being optimistic after reading that article.
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If there are standard tracks I doubt they are any worse than Prologues so I'm happy either way.
I think for premiums then might have gone over the top like on the cars.
I doubt very much any of us are going to have a problem with PD's level of standard. GT5's premuim should be renamed Perfect and standard Premium.
I think for premiums then might have gone over the top like on the cars.
I doubt very much any of us are going to have a problem with PD's level of standard. GT5's premuim should be renamed Perfect and standard Premium.
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I'd take Pikes Peak even if it had PSX graphics.
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Actually, if I recall correctly, there was an early build featuring the Nürburgring Nordschleife and it was labelled 'Premium'. So it's not just speculation. Of course that was a year or two ago, so there's no telling if it's still like that.
The screenshot should be in the forums here somewhere, I'll try to look it up.
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Standard tracks (same as standard cars) are old tracks, with improved lightning and textures, but without day/night/weather options.
