Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[trk29]

So I just noticed something interesting.. Both of these cars are in the redbull trailer and GTPSP trailer.. and I have a feeling they're standards?

Yeah someone else pointed that out in the video. That video used several parts from the psp trailer.

 

[Nero9]

If the Standard cars looks like they do in the GTPSP intro, i will be impressed. 👍

 

[JDMKING13]

JDM, where you been?!

If there really is a clip in the BB demo of Standards, count me as someone who'd love to see it too (although since we'll only be able to record off-screen it won't be super handy for in-depth analysis). It's my belief that if the Standards really have been updated, PD would want to show them off... unless of course, they've witnessed the backlash around the web about the Standards, have improved them, and just want to keep them secret to really shove it in some of our faces at launch. Which I am also very, very okay with .

Whats up Slip I have been fixing up my house getting things added to It, Yea I was shocked as hell man when I saw it, and I know they where standards. As as said in another post they where not on the same track as the premiums. The black Audi on PD website thats under the standard car label looked good man. Im not going to front though you can tell the difference however, in all they looked pretty damn good slip. Matter fact i might go today bro to see if its still up. I feel so stupid not getting footage of the video.

 

[bucketseat]

I have to believe that the cockpit view has really nothing to do with the upgrades possible. The two items are quite different. The cockpit requires no changes to the simulated physics of how the car performs based upon weight, horsepower or suspension.
To think that de-featuring the standard cars because they didn't get the full cockpit replication doesn't make sense. All that said, we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[sher_da_putt]

If the Standard cars looks like they do in the GTPSP intro, i will be impressed. 👍

Agreed!

 

[warp9engage]

Whats up Slip I have been fixing up my house getting things added to It, Yea I was shocked as hell man when I saw it, and I know they where standards. As as said in another post they where not on the same track as the premiums. The black Audi on PD website thats under the standard car label looked good man. Im not going to front though you can tell the difference however, in all they looked pretty damn good slip. Matter fact i might go today bro to see if its still up. I feel so stupid not getting footage of the video.

I find it odd that, after all this concealing of the Standard Cars by PD, they suddenly decide to put them in a trailer or in one of their demos and show them at stores .

Are you sure that what you saw was not something like the GTPSP intro playing? Was it actually GT5?

 

[G.T.Ace]

Whats up Slip I have been fixing up my house getting things added to It, Yea I was shocked as hell man when I saw it, and I know they where standards. As as said in another post they where not on the same track as the premiums. The black Audi on PD website thats under the standard car label looked good man. Im not going to front though you can tell the difference however, in all they looked pretty damn good slip. Matter fact i might go today bro to see if its still up. I feel so stupid not getting footage of the video.

Pretty sure you saw a clip that was also posted here already, it showed snippets of the GTPSP intro, although these models are, more or less, Standard cars.

 

[shadynader]

Whether two terms kind of rely on each other to an extent for meaning, which is wrong, both are wrong... they go hand in hand.

I quoted you because you said standard is like forza/shift etc and I said GT5 standards aren't even really up to those in a lot of ways.

Once again, I was not talking about standard gt5 cars the debate was about premium cars should be called standard but the gap between premium and other games is quite a big one. Obviously you don't feel as if you have a good enough aruement to state your case and backup your claims from 2 pages back but thats okay.

Since you really do want to discuss GT5 standards I will say the gap between GT5 standards and this generation standards are about as clear as the gap between GT5 premium and this generation standards. Since I have been modelling on and off since the days of Imagine3d on Amiga I do see the differences more so than others but, as stated, at less than 4 pence (around 6 cents) per car your not going to get any complaints out of me.

If the games you mentioned are "the norm", then Standards don't really deserve their title . Just today I played FM3 for a few hours, and GT4, back-to-back (and a bit of Prologue). Strictly speaking about the models (not the general, overall image): even thrown into the (frankly awesome) GT5 lighting engine, GT4 models won't look as good, with their 4000 poly models and comparatively low-res textures. Not to mention most of their detail is down to the textures, not actual polygon modeling.

See above.

It's not entirely fair to compare either games' car lineup with GT. They serve very different purposes in the same genre. It's sorta like me comparing FIFA '11 to Tiger Woods '11 on the basis of how many individual athletes I can control.

It's nothing at all like comparing FIFA to PGA, not even close to be brutally honest.

Football is played with 2 teams of 11 on a rectangular pitch using an air filled ball and mainly your feet. The main objective is to score more goals than the opposing side.

Golf is played with 1-4 individual players over 18-72 holes using a hard dimpled ball and a set golf clubs. The main objective is to get round the course in the least amount of shots.

Motor racing is a motorsport involving the racing of cars round a track or a set route. The main objective is to get round the track faster than your competitors.

Now, last time i checked F1, WRC and GT5 all fall under the last category. The only thing linking golf and football is the fact they are a sport. Funny you should mention football and golf as they are my two favorite sports which I play in real life about twice a week respectively so i will and do play the said games on console too.

So when I feel like picking up and playing the latest football games I will compare PES to FIFA. When I feel like picking up and playing the latest golf games I will compare PGA to John Daly's. So when I feel like picking up and playing the latest racing games I will compare racing games against other racing games.

(This is all disregarding the obvious fact that GT5 will feature some the cars/tracks/formats/features in other said games)

 

[alucard0712]

Really? Hmmm. That interview I linked to also said that GT5 cars all have the same amount of polygons... I've learned that the words in an interview from PD aren't as important as what they actually show us.

Kaz said GT5 car poly count are anything from 200k to 500k polygons.GT4 have on average 4000, but in latest interview Kaz really says that they worked on upscale for GT5, and it takes some time, but much less than do a premium car.

 

[WolfRacer543]

It's nothing at all like comparing FIFA to PGA, not even close to be brutally honest.

Football is played with 2 teams of 11 on a rectangular pitch using an air filled ball and mainly your feet. The main objective is to score more goals than the opposing side.

Golf is played with 1-4 individual players over 18-72 holes using a hard dimpled ball and a set golf clubs. The main objective is to get round the course in the least amount of shots.

Motor racing is a motorsport involving the racing of cars round a track or a set route. The main objective is to get round the track faster than your competitors.

Now, last time i checked F1, WRC and GT5 all fall under the last category. The only thing linking golf and football is the fact they are a sport. Funny you should mention football and golf as they are my two favorite sports which I play in real life about twice a week respectively so i will and do play the said games on console too.

So when I feel like picking up and playing the latest football games I will compare PES to FIFA. When I feel like picking up and playing the latest golf games I will compare PGA to John Daly's. So when I feel like picking up and playing the latest racing games I will compare racing games against other racing games.

(This is all disregarding the obvious fact that GT5 will feature some the cars/tracks/formats/features in other said games)

You could just as equally argue that racing Soccer, Aussie Rules, Gaelic football, Rugby, American Football, Basketball, Netball, etc, etc are all games where you use a ball to obtain more points against an opponent. You could include golf by saying its a ball sport where you have to obtain a better score than your opponents.

Motor racing is using a car to beat your opponents, usually by getting a faster time or finishing ahead of them. I have friends who love motor racing and hate ball sports who would happily lump all ball sports together whilst separating out F1, touring cars, off road rally, drag, drift, hill climbing, road rally and all the flavours of them.

It all just depends how you look at it

 

[shadynader]

Valid point, but the differences of football and golf far exceed the 3 games in question F1, WRC and GT5. Which brings me to my second point, GT5 features F1 cars and WRC and GT5 contains some tracks from the other game(s). PGA doesn't have a football mode, PGA doesn't have a football stadium. FIFA doesn't have a golf mode, FIFA doesn't have a golf course.

At the end of the day everybody is different and look for different things in and compare different things of a product.

 

[yellowclone]

No, I wouldn't like to have generic interiors on any car ( would to me be the same as having generic exteriors ).
I only meant to say that the differences in interiors of variations of the same car are almost always minor in real life ( at least the Skyline example, the R34 for example, you used share the same dashboard ).
The dashboards don't need to be modelled again as they are the same, maybe only some new textures ( different materials ), new colour patterns or some dials added or removed.

Read the very next word after generic that I posted when you quoted me. I said "generic" Skyline interior. Like you said, the R34 dash should be the same for all variations, so that could have been used in a semi-premium (most likely not), but that is all I was saying and wishing for.

 

[analog]

Read the very next word after generic that I posted when you quoted me. I said "generic" Skyline interior. Like you said, the R34 dash should be the same for all variations, so that could have been used in a semi-premium (most likely not), but that is all I was saying and wishing for.

Okay, then the term generic might not have been entirely appropriate or confusing within this context, sorry about the misunderstanding ( as some wished for a generic option and even PD worked at it ).
But if the dashboard is basically the same like I said, and you seem to agree, then it would be far logical to make it a full Premium model, no need to downgrade it if an interior is included as well ( like the Premium exterior ).
If like I said before the interior could be 'easily' altered as the interior already modelled could be used as the basis then the need to make any hybrid of Standard/Premium becomes redundant.
Again this whole subject is hypothetical and we both could be right, I simply don't know, although I remain convinced this possibility is neither logical nor efficient since time spend on altering a Premium interior makes more sense when they could be used in future GT-games as well, unlike ( hopefully ) the Standard cars.

 

[shirakawaa]

I think the logic is this:

- Premium cars are made to be as much faithful as possible to their real counterparts
- The interior of cars (or the engine bay, etc) in modeling, requires more work than the exterior as detailed images of it are usually harder to come by, often needing ad-hoc photo shoots.
- Modeling exterior differences, instead, is usually easier as much more source material from various sources exists.
- "Semi-premium" models would therefore have premium quality bodywork, but no interior view or engine bay view as the small differences could not be guaranteed to be faithfully modeled in time.
- In a proper modeling workflow, stripping out the interior from premium cars and blackening windows to hide the lower detail should be a trivial thing to do (try thinking of "layers" in photo retouching software).
- "Semi-premium" models would generally derive from premium models. In some cases they might have been done from scratch (think of GT HD Concept models).

 

[regnar]

Just still left with questions to PD modeling philosophy, what comes to mind is the example of the '69 Stingray Corvette, why go through the effort to make the green convertible a premium & the gold coupe a standard still doesn't make since. It would seem you could start with one model, bring it up to a point, make a copy, finish the roof lines as a coupe. Every thing below the pillars still stays the same.

 

[JDMKING13]

Pretty sure you saw a clip that was also posted here already, it showed snippets of the GTPSP intro, although these models are, more or less, Standard cars.

Trust me Im not tripping, on the bottom of the trailer said Gran Turismo 5. I thought it was GTPSP at 1st but it was GT5 i saw it with my own eyes if i have time today i will go and get video footage you will be shocked if i can get that footage!

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Whats up Slip I have been fixing up my house getting things added to It, Yea I was shocked as hell man when I saw it, and I know they where standards. As as said in another post they where not on the same track as the premiums. The black Audi on PD website thats under the standard car label looked good man. Im not going to front though you can tell the difference however, in all they looked pretty damn good slip. Matter fact i might go today bro to see if its still up. I feel so stupid not getting footage of the video.

Cool beans, guess it makes sense to fix the house up now since you know you won't be able to come November... .

Looking forward to it

Since you really do want to discuss GT5 standards I will say the gap between GT5 standards and this generation standards are about as clear as the gap between GT5 premium and this generation standards. Since I have been modelling on and off since the days of Imagine3d on Amiga I do see the differences more so than others but, as stated, at less than 4 pence (around 6 cents) per car your not going to get any complaints out of me.

I feel like this cost per car number is a bit skewed, since we already paid for these cars when they were modeled back in PS2 games.

It's nothing at all like comparing FIFA to PGA, not even close to be brutally honest.

Football is played with 2 teams of 11 on a rectangular pitch using an air filled ball and mainly your feet. The main objective is to score more goals than the opposing side.

Golf is played with 1-4 individual players over 18-72 holes using a hard dimpled ball and a set golf clubs. The main objective is to get round the course in the least amount of shots.

Motor racing is a motorsport involving the racing of cars round a track or a set route. The main objective is to get round the track faster than your competitors.

Now, last time i checked F1, WRC and GT5 all fall under the last category. The only thing linking golf and football is the fact they are a sport. Funny you should mention football and golf as they are my two favorite sports which I play in real life about twice a week respectively so i will and do play the said games on console too.

So when I feel like picking up and playing the latest football games I will compare PES to FIFA. When I feel like picking up and playing the latest golf games I will compare PGA to John Daly's. So when I feel like picking up and playing the latest racing games I will compare racing games against other racing games.

(This is all disregarding the obvious fact that GT5 will feature some the cars/tracks/formats/features in other said games)

Okay, golf and football were probably a bit of an extreme difference, but surely you see the point I'm getting at. Holding F1 2010 up as a poor example of value because of cost per car is really missing the mark. It's made to replicate a single season in a particular racing discipline; it only requires a certain number of cars. Same with tracks. GT doesn't hold itself to any discipline, it's just about cars in general, and various disciplines; therefore, I'd certainly hope it has more of both. The trade-off is that it's almost certainly not going to be as detailed in any of these various series as games designed solely with them in mind. All previous GT's haven't forced ballast on me when I win in the SuperGT series, as just one example.

Hold F1 2010 up as questionable value because all the bugs I've heard about it so far .

 

[maxpontiac]

Slip, I'm not defending anything except the invisible rule of this particular thread of not to present an assumption as an fact, nothing more

Regards mate, we'll know much more in next 10 days or so 👍

💡

 

[shadynader]

I feel like this cost per car number is a bit skewed, since we already paid for these cars when they were modeled back in PS2 games.

You paid for the same content twice in GT1-2, GT3-4. If you buy any sports games there is a very good chance that alot of the content was in the last game. Again this is obviously disregarding all the other plus points a new game engine brings to these assets.

Okay, golf and football were probably a bit of an extreme difference, but surely you see the point I'm getting at. Holding F1 2010 up as a poor example of value because of cost per car is really missing the mark. It's made to replicate a single season in a particular racing discipline; it only requires a certain number of cars. Same with tracks. GT doesn't hold itself to any discipline, it's just about cars in general, and various disciplines; therefore, I'd certainly hope it has more of both. The trade-off is that it's almost certainly not going to be as detailed in any of these various series as games designed solely with them in mind. All previous GT's haven't forced ballast on me when I win in the SuperGT series, as just one example.

Hold F1 2010 up as questionable value because all the bugs I've heard about it so far .

Woah.. Who said F1 2010 was poor value? Like I said previously, for me the online pro's outweigh the career mode cons. I was merely putting it into perspective.

I don't quite get the last sentence. Are you asking me do I hold F1 up as questionable value or are you telling me to?

 

[Tenacious D]

If the games you mentioned are "the norm", then Standards don't really deserve their title . Just today I played FM3 for a few hours, and GT4, back-to-back (and a bit of Prologue). Strictly speaking about the models (not the general, overall image): even thrown into the (frankly awesome) GT5 lighting engine, GT4 models won't look as good, with their 4000 poly models and comparatively low-res textures. Not to mention most of their detail is down to the textures, not actual polygon modeling.

Did your eyes bleed playing Forza?

I ask that because, even though the cars other than yours might not have had visible facets, the car models look like inflated airbags lacking most of the detail in GT4's "standard" models. If you enjoy F3, I don't see why you'd have a problem with Standards and Premiums racing together in GT5.

And I will have to add that racing in GT4, which I still do, I've only occasionally noticed polygons on my car, seeing as I race in roof cam, and am spending my time enjoying the race and the panorama of the environments, not with my face in the screen looking for facets on cars. But that's just me.

How's about directly from Kaz? Good enough?

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20091103/SEMA/911039983#ixzz0Vw3D3aZp

Well, let's quote him.

What is a major difference in the detail level of the cars from GT4?

There are 400,000 polygons per car, 100 times more than were present on GT4. GT4 had 4,000 polygons per car. You can customize and tune the cars, too.​

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Emphasis mine.

You can say that this is a bit of semantics or translation issue, but it does read like Kaz is making a distinction between the models in GT4 and 5. And the Photo Mode models sure look considerably better than the in-game models, even in replays. Or the garage.

I still think my Photo Mode images I posted here look gorgeous. Not gorgeous for last decade models. After all, I am using them as my avatars lately. Likewise, I like the visuals of the cars in the Standard Car trailer.

By the way, there's something I've been meaning to address...

Even though by all accounts, America is still the prime country on the planet, by whatever standard you want to measure.

I must have the wrong standards then...

By my standards the best you can say is we consistently make top 40.

This is what happens when you talk about what you feel and think rather than what you have researched and know...

Okay, I spoke a bit quickly. Selectively, you can make any country, even Cuba, look good on paper.

However, there is this other thing called choice. Billions of people are making trillions of choices every day. And every day, thousands of people make a choice to come here. Even if it's breaking the law and risking death to do so. Yes, some emigrate to... Norway, Iceland or... Andorra, where ever the heck that is, but the statistics on those figures don't seem to substantial. Europe has a certain amount of draw too, though a large portion of those seem to come from the troubled, depressed or oppressed parts of the world like Arab countries and Russia.

However, there are very few places which are the focus of desire of just about every people on Earth, to the point there are tens of millions of illegal aliens within their borders, and tens of millions more who abode by the rules and went through a lot of hoops to become legal citizens. I guess that doesn't fit into too many people's bullet points these days. By the way... "prosebeforehos"?

And one more thing.

Politics / U-S-A, U-S-A, ra-ra-ra

Surely you know that has no place here.

Well now, I suppose I could explain that. I think by now, many members here know I like to tease a bit. Previous to this section of discussion, there was quite a little OT discussion because someone decided to post some decidedly off color language, and involving a historical religious figure of some note. Someone else took offense to it, and a number of people rallied around and began waving around the usual cliche about "freedom of speech." Even though using asterisks and other tricks to work around the swear filter is kind of against the AUP we all agree to, and including religious figures is a double no-no. Plus, obscenity has never been heralded as protected free speech, except on college campuses for whatever obvious reasons.

So, I threw out a zinger about Obama, and of course quite true, to see what the reaction would be. And of course it was quickly frowned on. Funny how "free speech" is kind of selective in an Animal Farm sense in our politically correct world. ​

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[Devedander]

Once again, I was not talking about standard gt5 cars the debate was about premium cars should be called standard but the gap between premium and other games is quite a big one. Obviously you don't feel as if you have a good enough aruement to state your case and backup your claims from 2 pages back but thats okay.

What claims exactly? I thought I did but clearly you are seeing something I am missing...

However, there are very few places which are the focus of desire of just about every people on Earth, to the point there are tens of millions of illegal aliens within their borders, and tens of millions more who abode by the rules and went through a lot of hoops to become legal citizens. I guess that doesn't fit into too many people's bullet points these days. By the way... "prosebeforehos"?

First off that's a steeply differen't claim than "better by almost any standard" and secondly if you look at the reason it's pretty singular and polarizing: Money.

The US is a country in it's infancy still and I firmly believe we are making many mistakes as a consequence, poor financial policy and control being a major one, evidence in large part by our huge deficit and national debt.

But to be direct, the reason people flock here? Money. That might not sound so bad until you consider the reason is that many businesses in this country like illegal (cheap) labor and our government is pretty much owned by big business and does not legislate strongly against illegal immigration because it's not in the interest of big business.

Case in point: Look at Mexico. You try going down there and getting a job as an illegal let alone legal immigrant. Most of the jobs are reserved for Mexicans only and I believe land ownership within 100 miles of the coastline is a Mexican only right. There are plenty of good jobs to be had down there but they are pretty darn good about keeping it from happening.

Cross the border to the US and guess what? A restaraunt full of illegal kitchen staff is the norm, any labor job is full of illegals... we basically promote it.

We have managed to take a good deal of wealth (via military strength and basically criminal activity - let's just say most of the big fortune in this country from the last 150 years was from slavery and criminal methods) and have more than many neighboring nations (unless you count the national debt) and we are using that edge in a tradionally shortsighted American way but leveraging it to hire cheap immigrant labor now, the result of which is lots of money leaving the country back to their families in poorer nations. The real kicker is considering the national debt, we don't even have that money.... our country is like a person overrun in credit card debt to the point they can't get back out of it, but still paying maid service with cash advances from cash advances on yet more credit cards.

Go look at the Britain right now... up until very recently it was full of Polish. Why? Same deall, jobs. The diffeence was they were there legally (under EU laws) but as soon as the economy turned sour, they started turning back to home.

Oh and in case you are wondering, the same is happening around here just not the same extent since our big business/goverment is insuring we manage to syphon off money to illegal labor on a constant basis no matter how bad the economy gets.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/01/1803885/illegal-immigration-in-sharp-decline.html

Sure a lot of people come here, and some for legitimate reasons like beautiful countrysides and better political situations than their own countries. But mostly it's just to syphone money out of our economy (with our blessing via big business).

BTW, there is no shortage of people running to Canada if you want to look...

Looking at the rate people flock to the US as a measure of how "great" the country is, is as flawed as looking to sales numbers to determine how good a singer someone is. It hardly tells the whole story

Oh and BTW, the focus of just about every person on earth? That is a truly ignorance based US centric viewpoint only viable to someone who doesn't really know... there are plenty of expats who would never look back and plenty of people from other countries who laugh at the US and would never move here. Like any country we are constantly told we are desired by all and some believe it just because they are told. The communists said this in China and East Europe and the North Koreans say it today

 

[JohnBM01]

I don't think I'll be totally disappointed with Standard and Premium unless there are some glaring flaws to the Standards. I just see it more as more chances to go and enjoy racing. No extended debate for this post- just mentioning quick thoughts (and to keep this thread on-topic).

 

[Omamder5]

I don't think I'll be totally disappointed with Standard and Premium unless there are some glaring flaws to the Standards. I just see it more as more chances to go and enjoy racing.

I honestly can't wait to scroll through the immense list of cars, standard or not. I might actually be even more excited about them than the premiums. As a person who never played GT3 or 4, these standards are new and exciting, and with what I've seen of the lighting system in 5, they should look quite fine indeed, and drive even better.

 

[Devedander]

I don't think I'll be totally disappointed with Standard and Premium unless there are some glaring flaws to the Standards. I just see it more as more chances to go and enjoy racing. No extended debate for this post- just mentioning quick thoughts (and to keep this thread on-topic).

I think to a good extend people won't be terribly dissapointed (ie your eyes won't bleed) but it's noteable that GT5 has gone from the game that will crush all others to (in large part) a game for which 80% of the cars won't be dissapointing.

You have to admit the GT Patriotism has run pretty deep and hot at times and it's kind of coming around now...

I apolgize for using you as an example again, but when you look at premiums and comment they are unimpressive and not too bad, that really says something.

 

[Kryz11]

I honestly can't wait to scroll through the immense list of cars, standard or not. I might actually be even more excited about them than the premiums. As a person who never played GT3 or 4, these standards are new and exciting, and with what I've seen of the lighting system in 5, they should look quite fine indeed, and drive even better.

I play GT4 and GT3, but I am still excited because GT5 will have new physics engine and cars will even act more naturally. So even for a GT Veteran I will feel like I am new to the series again with the cars

 

[Organ-Donor]

Edit: Nevermind, PM'd.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

You paid for the same content twice in GT1-2, GT3-4. If you buy any sports games there is a very good chance that alot of the content was in the last game. Again this is obviously disregarding all the other plus points a new game engine brings to these assets.

Yeah, but back then when I was paying for the same content twice, it was from the same console anyways. I'm ignoring all the other benefits GT5 will have because I'm specifically talking about the car list. I won't deny that most of the new features are very interesting for me, but that's not my focus in this topic.

Woah.. Who said F1 2010 was poor value? Like I said previously, for me the online pro's outweigh the career mode cons. I was merely putting it into perspective.

I don't quite get the last sentence. Are you asking me do I hold F1 up as questionable value or are you telling me to?

Gah, my bad there, rereading, I sorta went one step further with the "poor value" thing, since you kept mentioning cost per car, I thought that was your point.

Did your eyes bleed playing Forza?

So you come back to this thread just to troll? Figures.

I ask that because, even though the cars other than yours might not have had visible facets, the car models look like inflated airbags lacking most of the detail in GT4's "standard" models. If you enjoy F3, I don't see why you'd have a problem with Standards and Premiums racing together in GT5.

No, you ask because you still find it shocking, and it almost seems, offensive, that people can genuinely enjoy the graphics of a game that doesn't come with a GT logo on the tin. "Inflated airbags"? Go take a gander at any of the pictures in the FM3 board. Tell me how they're missing "most of the detail" compared to GT4. Hell, they have interiors.

I don't follow the last sentence either. Yeah, I enjoyed FM3, that doesn't mean I don't see issues with having both tiers on track in GT5. For one... every car I played with in the former had the same amount of features. In GT5, I could get in a mix-up with a Standard, while I'm in a Premium, and my car will look like it got in a scrap. The Standard, with it's painted-on details, will bounce along on it's merry way with "scratches". Woo. And of course, so far all this new, very impressive weather won't affect the Standard driver's visibility, so I'd have to downgrade out of my cockpit view to negate their inherent advantage. Double woo.

You can say that this is a bit of semantics or translation issue, but it does read like Kaz is making a distinction between the models in GT4 and 5. And the Photo Mode models sure look considerably better than the in-game models, even in replays. Or the garage.

Are you trying to say that every car in GT5 will follow that quote? They'll all be, polygon-wise, Prologue levels or better? Can I hold onto this quote for a month? It'll come in handy.

I still think my Photo Mode images I posted here look gorgeous. Not gorgeous for last decade models. After all, I am using them as my avatars lately. Likewise, I like the visuals of the cars in the Standard Car trailer.

Of course you do. You took them yourself. And they're from GT. Still haven't seen them pop up in the gallery section. I wonder why.

I don't think I'll be totally disappointed with Standard and Premium unless there are some glaring flaws to the Standards. I just see it more as more chances to go and enjoy racing. No extended debate for this post- just mentioning quick thoughts (and to keep this thread on-topic).

👍

 

[hellnback]

SlipZtrEm, I normally think your posts are quite balanced, relatively, until now. After walking away I was gonna let it slide but your obtuse/condescending comments I take issue with. Others too probably.

I could get in a mix-up with a Standard, while I'm in a Premium, and my car will look like it got in a scrap. The Standard, with it's painted-on details, will bounce along on it's merry way with "scratches". Woo.

So, obviously you know FOR A FACT, that the physics will act different, after the fact of an identical accident, for both types of cars? Or did you forget to quantify that assumption with a 'in my opinion' as the cars will merely 'look different' due to modelling?

And of course, so far all this new, very impressive weather won't affect the Standard driver's visibility, so I'd have to downgrade out of my cockpit view to negate their inherent advantage. Double woo.

So you feel the need that all racers must be in the same view as you? Or is this the snobbish element of cockpit view showing through by your choice? Because as far as I'm aware you are not forced to change, and no-one is making you change.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

SlipZtrEm, I normally think your posts are quite balanced, relatively, until now. After walking away I was gonna let it slide but your obtuse/condescending comments I take issue with. Others too probably.

Fair points (that I'll get to), it's just annoying that one member in particular seems to enjoy trolling with no actual relevant info to back up his wildly exaggerated claims. When he's not going off on some political rant.

So, obviously you know FOR A FACT, that the physics will act different, after the fact of an identical accident, for both types of cars? Or did you forget to quantify that assumption with a 'in my opinion' as the cars will merely 'look different' due to modelling?

Sorry, that comment specifically referred to the visuals only. I know that the mechanical damage is supposed to be the same (which is very good). My main issue is the lack of immersion because of this discrepancy between the tiers, and it'd show if they're both on track at the same time. Some people will argue "don't get into accidents then!", but anybody who's played Prologue for a decent amount of time knows that racing with the unwashed, non-GTP masses, you're going to end up in a scrap at some point . It's been confirmed that visually the two tiers won't behave the same in regards to damage, that was all I was getting at.

So you feel the need that all racers must be in the same view as you? Or is this the snobbish element of cockpit view showing through by your choice? Because as far as I'm aware you are not forced to change, and no-one is making you change.

I didn't say that at all. Just that Standards, without a cockpit view, enjoy an inherent advantage in inclement weather in game because they don't have to deal with rain on the windshield, and the wipers. I also never said anybody would be making me change; but I'd definitely consider it racing against people who aren't having to deal with it either.

Ideally, I'd imagine it wouldn't be too hard to implement some generic wipers into the bumper cam, and a similar effect to rain on a windshield. Sure, it might not be strictly "realistic", since it's supposed to be the bumper, but I imagine that would actually net a lot of positive responses from PD .

 

[Khaddar]

I didn't say that at all. Just that Standards, without a cockpit view, enjoy an inherent advantage in inclement weather in game because they don't have to deal with rain on the windshield, and the wipers. I also never said anybody would be making me change; but I'd definitely consider it racing against people who aren't having to deal with it either.

Ideally, I'd imagine it wouldn't be too hard to implement some generic wipers into the bumper cam, and a similar effect to rain on a windshield. Sure, it might not be strictly "realistic", since it's supposed to be the bumper, but I imagine that would actually net a lot of positive responses from PD .

Anyone driving a premium in any view other than cockpit will "enjoy" the same advantage over you. Personally I've no intention of switching to cockpit view just because other people prefer to drive that way.

I agree with your ideal situation though. I treat bumper cam as something closer to a windscreen cam, despite it being positioned wrongly for that, and I would love it to be subject to weather effects, complete with generic wipers.