Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Spacegoat]

^Never realised that, they take the old oil out and that's it away you go

 

[LaBounti]

I just watched it as well, and I can see a clear difference.

Still looks to me as if the reflections is the only thing improved since GT4. They have low poly bodies and darkened out windows so that you can not see the non existent interior. Sure, it looks much better than GT4, but that's only thanks to high definition and as I said, better reflections.

You forget that they use the menu 3d wheels in game now.... That makes a big difference...

To each his own I suppose. I find nothing exciting about last gen cars I drove 6 years ago on the PS2 (because that's what they are in my honest opinion), but I'm glad you do.

You are missing one major difference, they will not handle or drive like they did in GT4.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

Ultra realistic floating car

I'm talking about the standard vitz/yaris. Besides GT has always had the floating oil change.

 

[krishy_123]

That video with the oil change, the Vitz/Yaris definately shows the difference of a standard car. Look at the headlights, the grill and the windows... Oh well cant expect too much can we.

 

[Devedander]

Ive watched the new Leaked videos and the Standard cars dont look way less detailed on my 1080P monitor. I downloaded the 720P video and upscaled it with Media Player Classic.

Those videos are cam recordings off a TV screen which drops the quality rediculously... At that quality it would be pretty hard to pick out a PS2 running GT4 against GT5 premiums.

 

[sparkedglory]

Dev has a point about the recordings.

Although I still think that the standards wont be ridiculously far off from the premiums. Enough to tell a difference?...Sure, but not a big one.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

To each his own I suppose. I find nothing exciting about last gen cars I drove 6 years ago on the PS2 (because that's what they are in my honest opinion), but I'm glad you do.

I'm more than happy with 200+ premiums, so have no problem with the standard cars. I just simply won't use 'em.

I'm still on the fence; they do look like their textures have been cleaned up a bit, which was a nice surprise in the leaked videos. But some things just can't be faked these days with texture work in place of proper 3D meshes. It'll stick out like a sore thumb when we're not racing. It's cool that some people are excited about new physics for the Standards... but considering I always saw the GT4 physics as broken, waiting six years for a "fix" and basically the same models just doesn't draw me that much.

There's plenty of Premiums, and I'll enjoy them, but I'm sure I'll eventually use some Standards too. Just definitely feel like a revisit, which isn't helped by the obvious warmed-overness of them (and PSP, for that matter). I know this roster way, way too well at this point.

It is rather funny how much the "wait for proper footage" defense was used when people were critical of Standards though, but some poorly recorded final game footage can subsequently be used to aid the "they really don't look that different from Premiums" side later on. We'll all have to wait, but I bet if I load up GT4 and GT5 Standards back to back, lighting aside, they're going to look awfully, awfully similar.

 

[Tenacious D]

To each his own I suppose. I find nothing exciting about last gen cars I drove 6 years ago on the PS2 (because that's what they are in my honest opinion), but I'm glad you do.

I'm more than happy with 200+ premiums, so have no problem with the standard cars. I just simply won't use 'em.

You are missing one major difference, they will not handle or drive like they did in GT4.

Indeed. I'll have five times as many cars that look great and handle with uncanny realism to go!

 

[Organ-Donor]

I'm more than happy with 200+ premiums, so have no problem with the standard cars. I just simply won't use 'em.

That's great you're happy with 200+ premiums, but to completely ignore an awesome car just because it lacks the photo realistic graphics of premiums is sort of prissy. I am a cockpit view driver, so the lack of cockpit views for standards effects me completely. But to ignore tons of the amazing cars that are standards doesn't even cross my mind, they should all drive the same. I guess some people have different priorities.

 

[JDMKING13]

That's great you're happy with 200+ premiums, but to completely ignore an awesome car just because it lacks the photo realistic graphics of premiums is sort of prissy. I am a cockpit view driver, so the lack of cockpit views for standards effects me completely. But to ignore tons of the amazing cars that are standards doesn't even cross my mind, they should all drive the same. I guess some people have different priorities.

I'm telling you man Its all about the driving the demo felt so good! I dont know how people can think they will drive different from the premiums. @ Slip I know what you mean about the sore thumb man I saw those handles. But they look pretty good from what I can see. 👍

 

[Tenacious D]

Exactly this. I suspect that many of my favorite rides are going to be Standards, and I suspect many of yours as well. I know that many of us have glommed onto cockpit view, but we've all raced in fine games for decades that had no behind-the-wheel view. The only game that had cockpit view I was remotely happy with was Toca 3, and it was just okay. Plus its wheel implementation was utter crap. I think almost everyone who insists they can't adapt to other views are just fibbing.

And don't get me started on the guys who say they get the shakes whenever they see a polygon or a pixel. Like you haven't played a video game for the past 30 years? Then again, people are smashing shop windows in Europe because they might have to work to age 62 instead of 60...

This is just a sign of how spoiled rotten we are.

 

[Strittan]

Exactly this. I suspect that many of my favorite rides are going to be Standards, and I suspect many of yours as well. I know that many of us have glommed onto cockpit view, but we've all raced in fine games for decades that had no behind-the-wheel view. The only game that had cockpit view I was remotely happy with was Toca 3, and it was just okay. Plus its wheel implementation was utter crap. I think almost everyone who insists they can't adapt to other views are just fibbing.

And don't get me started on the guys who say they get the shakes whenever they see a polygon or a pixel. Like you haven't played a video game for the past 30 years? Then again, people are smashing shop windows in Europe because they might have to work to age 62 instead of 60...

This is just a sign of how spoiled rotten we are.

Only because I've played games in the past, I'm supposed to still be satisfied with old graphics and only because I've played all the other GT games without a cockpit view I'm supposed to be excited about the standard cars which still don't have it? I don't think so.

Yes, I happen to enjoy details and amazing graphics, plus I think the cockpit view is the most realistic way to go and I'm now used to it through Live For Speed, rFactor and Gran Turismo 5 Prologue.

Here we work to the age of 65 by the way, although I don't see what that has to do with anything.

 

[warp9engage]

Just saw the GT5 Oil Change video posted on the previous page and looking at that Toyota Vitz, all I can say is: terrible.

It has a roof that isn't smooth (you can see it by the reflections), blocky side-mirrors, windows so dark it looks like dark-matter from the void of space was dumped into the car's interior, headlights, badges and front grill are still nothing more than textures... no updates at all to the models.

You know, I honestly believe that something like this happened at Polyphony:

- A 3D modeller arrives at his desk and turns on his computer.
- Sees e-mail from Kazunouri Yamauchi telling him to begin work on the 800 Standard cars.
- He goes to the old GT4 files folder, then to the car folder and suddenly realizes the daunting task ahead of him.
- He starts thinking about how many nights he's going to have to spend sleeping in the office to get the job, of porting and updating all those cars properly for GT5, done.
- He then remembers that the folks at the Special Effects Department are doing a stellar job with the lighting.
- He starts thinking to himself: "The lighting effects are getting so great all the cars look shiny and new! I think I'll just cut one little corner to get done with this faster. Nowone will notice."
- He proceeds to cut the "little" corner: *Right-clicks on GT4 cars folder*; *Copy*; *Opens GT5 cars folder*; *Paste*.

This could have worked, but he forgot that even though GT5's lighting engine does wonders, it won't do miracles.

That is my current personal opinion. I know that there are some people who like the Standards and think they look good (I personally don't see how they can, other than having the gift of being able to apply 8xAA to everything they see), so I'm glad they have the option to play with them.

For me (and those who don't like the Standards) however, I hope that the game either:

- Asks me if I want to install the Standards when I first boot it. The GT5 install size is large as it is, so no need to waste disk space with unnecessary material.

- Has a setting for "Premium Only" on the options menu.

This way all will be happy .

 

[Le Mans 88]

Why are people looking at a car in the oil change video when there's gameplay footage where all cars, standard and premium, look great?

Whats more, what does it say about people who don't want to drive standards despite all new physics, why not just watch videos of the real thing if the driving experience is such a low priority.

 

[Strittan]

For me (and those who don't like the Standards) however, I hope that the game either:

- Asks me if I want to install the Standards when I first boot it. The GT5 install size is large as it is, so no need to waste disk space with unnecessary material.

- Has a setting for "Premium Only" on the options menu.

This way all will be happy .

Unfortunately though, we've already seen races with premiums and standards mixed together.

Why are people looking at a car in the oil change video when there's gameplay footage were all cars, standard and premium, look great?

Speak for yourself. I don't think standard cars look great.

 

[WolfRacer543]

Exactly this. I suspect that many of my favorite rides are going to be Standards, and I suspect many of yours as well. I know that many of us have glommed onto cockpit view, but we've all raced in fine games for decades that had no behind-the-wheel view. The only game that had cockpit view I was remotely happy with was Toca 3, and it was just okay. Plus its wheel implementation was utter crap. I think almost everyone who insists they can't adapt to other views are just fibbing.

And don't get me started on the guys who say they get the shakes whenever they see a polygon or a pixel. Like you haven't played a video game for the past 30 years? Then again, people are smashing shop windows in Europe because they might have to work to age 62 instead of 60...

This is just a sign of how spoiled rotten we are.

I'm sorry but this is a terrible excuse. Why bother having progress at all? Yeah I've played games without cockpit views... not in the past 5 years though.

There's heaps of things in gaming that weren't possible on previous generations of consoles and PCs, and video gaming as a whole is a very recent invention.

Its like saying you shouldn't complain that a car manufacturer put a manual choke and no fuel injection on a car because they spent too long making the door shaped awesome and having a fancy HUD on the windscreen. Dont worry, cars never used to have automatic chokes and fuel injection anyway, but look at that awesome door and windscreen!

If you're going to use the argument we never had it before, we might as well just start carving some arrows and start shooting each other with bows and arrows. Maybe thats a bit too modern, how about we just throw rocks and sticks.

(FYI: I drive a car with a manual choke and without fuel injection )

 

[xSNAKEx]

Just saw the GT5 Oil Change video posted on the previous page and looking at that Toyota Vitz, all I can say is: terrible.

It has a roof that isn't smooth (you can see it by the reflections), blocky side-mirrors, windows so dark it looks like dark-matter from the void of space was dumped into the car's interior, headlights, badges and front grill are still nothing more than textures... no updates at all to the models.

You know, I honestly believe that something like this happened at Polyphony:

- A 3D modeller arrives at his desk and turns on his computer.
- Sees e-mail from Kazunouri Yamauchi telling him to begin work on the 800 Standard cars.
- He goes to the old GT4 files folder, then to the car folder and suddenly realizes the daunting task ahead of him.
- He starts thinking about how many nights he's going to have to spend sleeping in the office to get the job, of porting and updating all those cars properly for GT5, done.
- He then remembers that the folks at the Special Effects Department are doing a stellar job with the lighting.
- He starts thinking to himself: "The lighting effects are getting so great all the cars look shiny and new! I think I'll just cut one little corner to get done with this faster. Nowone will notice."
- He proceeds to cut the "little" corner: *Right-clicks on GT4 cars folder*; *Copy*; *Opens GT5 cars folder*; *Paste*.

This could have worked, but he forgot that even though GT5's lighting engine does wonders, it won't do miracles.

That is my current personal opinion. I know that there are some people who like the Standards and think they look good (I personally don't see how they can, other than having the gift of being able to apply 8xAA to everything they see), so I'm glad they have the option to play with them.

For me (and those who don't like the Standards) however, I hope that the game either:

- Asks me if I want to install the Standards when I first boot it. The GT5 install size is large as it is, so no need to waste disk space with unnecessary material.

- Has a setting for "Premium Only" on the options menu.

This way all will be happy .

C'Mon man. You are taking it too far.
How can you care so much about the reduced, but still great visual detail in the standard cars, to the point you want to avoid them altogether?

The detail is still pretty darn good, certainly good enough, and I'd rather have them included at this level of detail than not at all! Thats just crazy.

Actually the level of detail is fine for me if the cars "spirit" is captured corerctly. You still get the car with the new physics and hopfully everything else in the game.
If the only thing youre missing out on with standards is some exterior detail fidelity, damage, and cockpit views then I'm happy.

I doubt many of our favorite 85-95 JP cars will be premium, and I dont want to miss out on them just becasue they aren't premium.

I just hope Standard cars also have customizable everything, eg tuning paint, rims, body kits and are not hindered in any other way, I'm happy to take a graphics detail hit.


Think about it, If some of your favourtie cars are standard, would you really avoid them? To me if I like the car that comes first, if it happens to be a premium thats just a bonus.

Plus whats the bet as time passes they will release updates to promote some of the cars to premiums.

 

[Le Mans 88]

Speak for yourself. I don't think standard cars look great.

You play LFS and Rfactor yet are complaining about the looks of GT5's standard cars?

I don't know about you but I'm looking forward to driving a Group B Peugeot 205 T16 Evo II with the new physics engine.

A great many sim racers actually prefare the bonnet/bumper cam though obviously a cockpit view would be desireable.

 

[chepu]

Obviously Standards can Fool some people, even with the UBER AWESOME lightning Engine, theres still a difference, besides, Is it me or its crappy being able to see the interior of 3 cars in a 16 car race :/

Oh well, More premiums for GT6 then.

 

[Kryz11]

Just saw the GT5 Oil Change video posted on the previous page and looking at that Toyota Vitz, all I can say is: terrible.

It has a roof that isn't smooth (you can see it by the reflections), blocky side-mirrors, windows so dark it looks like dark-matter from the void of space was dumped into the car's interior, headlights, badges and front grill are still nothing more than textures... no updates at all to the models.

You know, I honestly believe that something like this happened at Polyphony:

- A 3D modeller arrives at his desk and turns on his computer.
- Sees e-mail from Kazunouri Yamauchi telling him to begin work on the 800 Standard cars.
- He goes to the old GT4 files folder, then to the car folder and suddenly realizes the daunting task ahead of him.
- He starts thinking about how many nights he's going to have to spend sleeping in the office to get the job, of porting and updating all those cars properly for GT5, done.
- He then remembers that the folks at the Special Effects Department are doing a stellar job with the lighting.
- He starts thinking to himself: "The lighting effects are getting so great all the cars look shiny and new! I think I'll just cut one little corner to get done with this faster. Nowone will notice."
- He proceeds to cut the "little" corner: *Right-clicks on GT4 cars folder*; *Copy*; *Opens GT5 cars folder*; *Paste*.

This could have worked, but he forgot that even though GT5's lighting engine does wonders, it won't do miracles.

That is my current personal opinion. I know that there are some people who like the Standards and think they look good (I personally don't see how they can, other than having the gift of being able to apply 8xAA to everything they see), so I'm glad they have the option to play with them.

For me (and those who don't like the Standards) however, I hope that the game either:

- Asks me if I want to install the Standards when I first boot it. The GT5 install size is large as it is, so no need to waste disk space with unnecessary material.

- Has a setting for "Premium Only" on the options menu.

This way all will be happy .

This just shows how STUBBORN people can get in this community.

By the end of the day, both Standard and Premium cars have same physics engine and same internal damage. With only 300-400 Premium cars the game will go dull with lack of cars, Standard cars fill that void.

So

 

[Strittan]

You play LFS and Rfactor yet are complaining about GT5's standard cars?

Graphics is not a trademark for LFS as it is for GT, and at least all the cars in LFS are equally detailed, and they have cockpit view (also keep in mind that LFS S2 is 5 years old). As for rFactor, there are quite a few mods that are way more detailed than the standard cars in GT5.

 

[Aloha62_2]

- Asks me if I want to install the Standards when I first boot it. The GT5 install size is large as it is, so no need to waste disk space with unnecessary material.
.

256mb is too large for you?

The 10gig is optional and the standards being on the disc will in no way effect the games performance.

 

[Kryz11]

We have to many cry babies in the forums.

Real car guys will play Standard cars regardless.

PD placed the cars for extra content, if you do not like Standard cars, just do not buy them and dont race them.

And yeah installing Standard cars wont be much data.

I bet for Standard cars, the Physics data is larger them visual data for each car.

 

[Le Mans 88]

Graphics is not a trademark for LFS as it is for GT, and at least all the cars in LFS are equally detailed, and they have cockpit view (also keep in mind that LFS S2 is 5 years old). As for rFactor, there are quite a few mods that are way more detailed than the standard cars in GT5.

LFS has a handful of cars that look like extras from GT1, rFactor is saddled with mods that have their roots if F1C and GTR1/2 and both look and feel a generation out of date.

Given all that is included in GT5 if your biggest gripe is a textured door handle here and there it shows how comprehensive GT5 really is.

 

[Luminis]

Real car guys will play Standard cars regardless.

Depends on what kind of enthusiast you're looking at. You know, there's thee kind of enthusiast that'd gladly forgo a few hundred cars just to get the ones he really cares about done to absolute perfection.

Just ask someone who's into real cars. Would he rather have two in crappy condition or one in mint condition (assuming he can't do anything about the condition the cars are in)?

 

[shirakawaa]

It's not just "a textured door handle", it's the model as a whole.
You can immediately tell when a car is Standard, even in these low quality videos, unless you're fooling yourself thinking that they look about the same as Premium models.
Of course this doesn't mean I won't use them, in fact I think I'll use them extensively. But the detail difference is undeniable.

 

[Kryz11]

Depends on what kind of enthusiast you're looking at. You know, there's thee kind of enthusiast that'd gladly forgo a few hundred cars just to get the ones he really cares about done to absolute perfection.

Just ask someone who's into real cars. Would he rather have two in crappy condition or one in mint condition (assuming he can't do anything about the condition the cars are in)?

We play GT5 to race, not to keep it in garage. Sure many people take Photos and videos of GT5 but they still end up racing by the end of the day. But thats why they have 300+ premium cars.

GT5 is Driving simulator, no where in the title it states Graphics simulation.

 

[cjmodiano]

We have to many cry babies in the forums.

Real car guys will play Standard cars regardless.

No, real gamers will play the standard cars. I'm a real car guy, and I'll never drive a standard car. And that makes me a cry baby for expecting cockpits in a game 5 years in the making, having one of the most biblical hype machine ever in the history of gaming.

Fanboys, stop being so arrogant. It's okay to admit PD shafted you. Nobody's spoiled for expecting modern levels of detail after being conned into expecting it.

 

[Kryz11]

How did they shafted?

They spend so much time on each car that its very understandable that rest of the cars will be Standard.

So if you were in charge of GT5 what would you do?

Release Premium only cars 300-400 count
Or Premium 300+ with 700+ standard cars to make everyone happy.

Its simple decision to me.

GT6 will have over 800 cars in Premium I bet. So then you can be happy with the Cockpits.

 

[xSNAKEx]

256mb is too large for you?

The 10gig is optional and the standards being on the disc will in no way effect the games performance.

were the install size details listed somewhere i missed?