Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[analog]

Theres very little difference grapiccally from what I have seen between premium and standard. What you have pointed out are just small things.

First of all I think the differences aren't that small or unnoticable, it's not just a graphical thing as in low versus high res, etc. but you can clearly see parts ( the doorhandles ) being 3D modelled on those Premium cars whilst they're flat textures on the Standard ones.
Even when the differences were only small it would still especially stand out in an otherwise perfect GT-game, thing is that even (or in some cases particularly) a small difference can have a huge effect (and therefore make a huge difference) in the way they're perceived.
But even these issues don't bother me the most, for me the thing that makes me highly skeptical of Standard cars is the absolute lack of cockpit view which in this day and age is a standard for driving games ( who cares what we're used to years ago, if that's a criteria why wait for a new GT-game in the first place? ).

 

[JDMKING13]

Actually a small blurry picture taken off a TV of that size would make it even GT4 look close to premiums so all it tells you is that everything in the shot is so blurred down it all looks equally ugly, not that the standards look close to the premiums.

The fact that differences can be spotted at ALL in that picture says to me the difference is pretty dramatic...

Also seeing it on an HDTV up close will make the image quality better but probably make the difference in cars much more dramatically evidentand thus standards actually relatively worse.

You make me laugh man, personally I don't think so, just as you said the image is not so good. What makes me laugh is how you say when its on our HD TV the standards will look worst than picture. I know the premiums look way better than that picture express if it was on my TV, this can be the same case for the standard, however I knew you would say they would look worst on our TV but its cool Its your opinion not a fact. You believe what you want I will believe what I want. 👍

First of all I think the differences aren't that small or unnoticable, it's not just a graphical thing as in low versus high res, etc. but you can clearly see parts ( the doorhandles ) being 3D modelled on those Premium cars whilst they're flat textures on the Standard ones.
Even when the differences were only small it would still especially stand out in an otherwise perfect GT-game, thing is that even (or in some cases particularly) a small difference can have a huge effect (and therefore make a huge difference) in the way they're perceived.
But even these issues don't bother me the most, for me the thing that makes me highly skeptical of Standard cars is the absolute lack of cockpit view which in this day and age is a standard for driving games ( who cares what we're used to years ago, if that's a criteria why wait for a new GT-game in the first place? ).

Yea man the cockpit view is a killer when I was playing the GT5 demo I was driving in bumper cam but I still had a great time with that view. The physics where so damn good I did not even care just wanted to drive more cars.

 

[Luminis]

You make me laugh man, personally I don't think so, just as you said the image is not so good. What makes me laugh is how you say when its on our HD TV the standards will look worst than picture.

All he's saying is that, on a big HD screen, the differences between standards and premiums will be more noticible as you'll actually be able to see all the details on the premiums which can't be seen on a Youtube video due to the small resolution. Thus, the standards will most likely look worse in comparison. That's all.

You know, low resolution hiding flaws and all. The same reason the porn industry wasn't font of HD at first as well...

 

[Forza4life]

Ha, wow. I know I came down quite a bit on the standard cars before, but looking at them now, they're not that bad or unplayable as I thought.

 

[JDMKING13]

All he's saying is that, on a big HD screen, the differences between standards and premiums will be more noticible as you'll actually be able to see all the details on the premiums which can't be seen on a Youtube video due to the small resolution. Thus, the standards will most likely look worse in comparison. That's all.

You know, low resolution hiding flaws and all. The same reason the porn industry wasn't font of HD at first as well...

Trust me I get what he is saying, I saw those door handles Dev just makes me laugh though. I will hold my Porn HD comment though.

 

[Le Mans 88]

Can someone tell me which is the premium car, the red or silver one?

I'll go for the silver car.

Edit, just saw the door handles on the red car...............

 

[JDMKING13]

Can someone tell me which is the premium car, the red or silver one?

I'll go for the silver car.

Silver.

 

[gtracedriver]

Can someone tell me which is the premium car, the red or silver one?

I'll go for the silver car.

Edit, just saw the door handles on the red car...............

Silver car. But I am amazed how good the standard cars looks

 

[gtone339]

Don't want to see the GT-One as a standard. 👎

 

[Nish]

I seriously thought the Suzuki was the standard at first glance. Seeing as it has the darker windows. I thought standards were supposed to have blacked out windows?

 

[E28]

They're both suzikis I think! The red is premium.

 

[gtracedriver]

I seriously thought the Suzuki was the standard at first glance. Seeing as it has the darker windows. I thought standards were supposed to have blacked out windows?

They both look great but the side rear view mirror of Silver suzuki appears to have more detail

 

[analog]

They're both suzikis I think! The red is premium.

No, the red one is a Standard Toyota, the silver one a Premium Suzuki.

 

[Luminis]

No, the red one is a Standard Toyota, the silver one a Premium Suzuki.

Yeah, people can't even tell whether it's a Suzuki or a Toyota, but are willing to judge the difference between premiums and standards based on that video

 

[Amezke]

First of all I think the differences aren't that small or unnoticable,

[..]

It's curious how you are trying to say that the differences are noticeable and then some people can't distinguish between both types.

In my opinion there are differences, but not as terrible as some people claim. And the best proof is that some user directly mistake which is which.

 

[The_Paladin]

And this proves that the 3d models are the same as GT4, they just shoved the new pilot model inside, the rest is done by the great lightning, shadows and colour palette (and resolution of course). It looks decent (the standard car) but i see a world of difference between a premium car. Overal the look of the game is excellent in those videos.

 

[Devedander]

Yeah, people can't even tell whether it's a Suzuki or a Toyota, but are willing to judge the difference between premiums and standards based on that video

Correction: People who base their assumptions off one thing incorrectly get it wrong. There is a diference between not knowing what you are looking for and not bieng able to see it... the video is (sadly) clear enough to see some noteable diferences between standards and premiums... on an HD TV without having gone through a cam it will be much more noticeable.

BTW the incorrect assumption is that: tinted window = standard.

The correct rule is (as far as we know) standard = tinted windw.

The two are not the same and the above mistake was made not in any way due to clarity of the video (it/s obviously good enough to spot a tinted window) but rather to misunderstanding of what a tinted window does (or does not) mean.

It's curious how you are trying to say that the differences are noticeable and then some people can't distinguish between both types.

In my opinion there are differences, but not as terrible as some people claim. And the best proof is that some user directly mistake which is which.

A lot of it comes down to whether they know what to look for. I, for instance, am hard pressed to detect an incorrect engine sound, but for those who know it's blatently obvious.

And the fact that I am hard pressed to tell it's wrong doesn't make it less wrong or less noteably wrong.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

But thats why they have 300+ premium cars.

Stop pulling random numbers out of thin air.

I see the cat fight is still going on. I really don't get why some of you waste your time trying to convince each other about the standard and premiums. Both cars look great. I am very pleased If people dont want to drive standard cars who really cares? I love cockpit view standards dont have them is that going to stop me from driving them No. I wish they looked like the premiums, is that going to stop me from driving them nope. I will agree that people who don't want to touch the standard or calling them old gen is pretty ignorant, but who cares its there opinion.



This picture shows me that the standards are not that far off besides the textures my boy Slip pointed out. Everybody chill and let people enjoy the game they want. I'm just glad we got to see some standard in action. They will look better on our HDTV.

Oh JDM...

Why are we ignorant for calling them old-gen? They are old-gen, as in, the same models I played with in GT4 on the last-gen system. It does look like there's been some texture cleanup, and yeah, the lighting looks improved which helps a lot... but from a model stand-point, these definitely don't stand up as superior to a lot of racing games that are out on the market. It's just a bit unfortunate to me, since GT's always been known as the leading edge when it comes to graphics, and while it definitely holds that title with the Premiums... they make up a far smaller percentage of the game. Premiums are the minority.

It is funny that so many people said not to judge the Standards from the PD-sourced video, because it wasn't us directly playing the game. Now, on a poorly-recorded off-screen video, people feel comfortable saying "Standards look almost as good as Premiums"? Bit of a double-standard, no?

What Dev's saying is kind of like saving images with different palette options in Photoshop. Playing the game on our own HDTV's will be like a 16.7 million colour PNG image; we'll be able to see quite a large difference between one end of the spectrum (Standards) and the other (Premium). Viewing the leaked images is like looking at the same image saved as a 256 colour GIF. These leaked videos have lowered the visual quality of the Premiums, and masked the flaws of the Standards, so they look much closer quality-wise. Watching the game on a large-size TV will make the differences a lot more apparent.

Again, I'm not saying people can't enjoy them; everybody can play the game how they choose. I'm just not going to get very excited about near-decade-old car models, because like Strittan said, I need a balance of graphics and physics. I wouldn't want GT1 or GT2 models brought into a new game, even with the current physics engine, because it's 2010 and they'd completely ruin the look of the game to me. These Standards looked good in GT4, but that was a long time ago, and I don't share some peoples' idea that because I played previous GT's without cockpit view, I should somehow be content with it not being available now. Games progress and it shouldn't be wrong to want the benefits of this progression. PD recycling car models from their last-gen titles sends a message at odds with their "cutting edge" mantra, and seems to me like a preference of quantity over quality (something their endless car list padding doesn't help either). New physics is great, yeah... but I shouldn't have waited six years to play GT4 with fixed physics.

I'll use Standards... once I'm done beating the game, or if they're required for a specific one-make race or something during my career. Other than that, I want to enjoy the game as one continuous current-gen experience.

I'll end on a positive note, though: We can race online with Standards if you'd like though, buddy! As long as it's on the new Cape Ring Periphery .

Yeah, people can't even tell whether it's a Suzuki or a Toyota, but are willing to judge the difference between premiums and standards based on that video

Heh, this thread attracts it's share of fair and unbiased people, huh? I'm looking at the images Paladin posted and wow, GT4 has not aged well. I'm really curious to see how the Standards translate in Photomode, because the lighting does help a lot... as long as you don't zoom in and see the texturing. The Voltz seems to have had it's doors welded shut or something with the lack of shutlines!

 

[Dravonic]

It's curious how you are trying to say that the differences are noticeable and then some people can't distinguish between both types.

In my opinion there are differences, but not as terrible as some people claim. And the best proof is that some user directly mistake which is which.

I feel jealous of those who can't notice such differences. The moment I saw that Toyota I knew it was a standard. Even in that low quality video. I'm hoping it won't be much worse in my HDTV.

 

[Akira AC]

Well I will say the standard looks better than I expected,this is of course due the low res camrip video,to tell difference we need to see a Standard next to a premium in a 720p or higher,well not even that with a 480p video the differences are obvious,the round lines cant be notice in standards(yet) but they are there,still the overall quality is not the same as prologue,no where near,keep in mind that these models are GT4 ports with remap textures so you don't get a huge disappoint at the time of playing the game(someday)

 

[5Liter]

Man that standard car looks like crap....wtf...they couldn't at least polish up the standard cars in the 6 years they had?

 

[Rey-FD]

That doesn't look too good, even for Playstation 3 standard, could of at least added proper door handles, sharpened up the lines etc. bit late now though.

 

[steve30x]

I cant believe how crap the standard cars look in GT5. They looked better in GT4.

 

[shirakawaa]

It's not late, as it seems that cars will get updated over time, whatever that means (I imagine upgrading them to premium models). However I don't think that the Toyota Voltz would get this treatment anytime soon.

 

[GasolineJunkie]

Yeah, people can't even tell whether it's a Suzuki or a Toyota, but are willing to judge the difference between premiums and standards based on that video

Yea ain't that something?

 

[Tenacious D]

It is funny that so many people said not to judge the Standards from the PD-sourced video, because it wasn't us directly playing the game. Now, on a poorly-recorded off-screen video, people feel comfortable saying "Standards look almost as good as Premiums"? Bit of a double-standard, no?

Not for me, no. Of course I have a feeling you'd expect me to say something like this in response.

See, I've done plenty of drooling over the Premium cars in less than pristine videos, because I saw enough to enjoy what I knew the original product to be.

BUT, this video caught me off guard because I wasn't sure if it was mixed races or not. The quality is obviously plenty good enough for people to freeze frame and pick out flaws. However, people who insist that the differences in the video are glaringly obvious in motion are, in my estimation, pulling remarks from betwixt certain cheeks.

This video simply confirms for me that the Standards are just fine. Yes, undoubtedly when I take pics of mixed races, some of you will look for all the little polygons and textures on the Standard cars and go "Ew." Hey, the Standards won't be of the same quality, so I expect some ew-ing.

But I do recall a little game called Forza, in which the bot cars all look like puffy inflatomobiles, and much worse to me than the Standards. And despite the glaring differences, we didn't know it until a sharp eyed player took some pics of them in their misshapen lack-of-glory. For some reason though, that doesn't matter, go figure.

We can all enjoy GT5 in our own way, but I'd be missing some pretty sweet rides, like a Lamborghini or two, if I stubbornly insisted that the Standards were beneath my dignity level. Not to mention some 240s, Sileightys, Skylines, Subies, some American muscle cars... but then I won't be missing them, I suppose because I lack that kind of dignity.

 

[The_Paladin]

Not for me, no. Of course I have a feeling you'd expect me to say something like this in response.

See, I've done plenty of drooling over the Premium cars in less than pristine videos, because I saw enough to enjoy what I knew the original product to be.

BUT, this video caught me off guard because I wasn't sure if it was mixed races or not. The quality is obviously plenty good enough for people to freeze frame and pick out flaws. However, people who insist that the differences in the video are glaringly obvious in motion are, in my estimation, pulling remarks from betwixt certain cheeks.

This video simply confirms for me that the Standards are just fine. Yes, undoubtedly when I take pics of mixed races, some of you will look for all the little polygons and textures on the Standard cars and go "Ew." Hey, the Standards won't be of the same quality, so I expect some ew-ing.

But I do recall a little game called Forza, in which the bot cars all look like puffy inflatomobiles, and much worse to me than the Standards. And despite the glaring differences, we didn't know it until a sharp eyed player took some pics of them in their misshapen lack-of-glory. For some reason though, that doesn't matter, go figure.

We can all enjoy GT5 in our own way, but I'd be missing some pretty sweet rides, like a Lamborghini or two, if I stubbornly insisted that the Standards were beneath my dignity level. Not to mention some 240s, Sileightys, Skylines, Subies, some American muscle cars... but then I won't be missing them, I suppose because I lack that kind of dignity.

To bad for you that car models in any Forza is better than the GT5 standard because standard cars comes from GT4 and they are inferior to Forza 1 in terms of detail, number of polys, texture size, etc.

Im one of those who can easily spot the standards even in those videos.

What makes GT5 standard cars look decent is the superb ilumination, shadows and colour palette (which is the areas where Forza 1 and 2 are bad, and where Forza 3 still need to improve).


BUT since this thread has nothing to do with Forza, i think is a good time to agree that the GT5 standard cars ARE in fact GT4 models (something that many here didnt want to believe) and that they dont look near good as premium cars. Thats one flaw in what it seems like a great game, im sure is not a deal breaker but a dissapointment anyways.

 

[mastretta_mx]

People complaining about door handles? lol

when I saw the video I only knew the Toyota SUV was a standar car because is in GTPSP, they look quite similar in motion, so I don't care anymore about standar, they still looking fine

 

[Uracat]

GT4 still looks pretty good, though playing it in 1080i does create a lot of jagged edges. I think the cars look fantastic for a PS2 game. I'd be happy if the cars in GT5 were simply upgraded for hd and had the new lighting and shadow effects. I'm not very picky when it comes to graphics though.

 

[Devedander]

So what happened to all the guys who were sure the Official PSM must be right and standards would look better than anything in GT5P?