Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[The_Paladin]

So what happened to all the guys who were sure the Official PSM must be right and standards would look better than anything in GT5P?

Game journalism happens. There were obviously wrong about that, probably something lost in the translation.

 

[Devedander]

Game journalism happens. There were obviously wrong about that, probably something lost in the translation.

It's not the first time I had heard that oddly... I forget where but I saw it at least once in a video (maybe ISR?) and a few times now in print...

But more than that I was wondering where they have dissapeared off to when just a day or two ago they were adament that it was true...

There's just a lot of certainty in the wrongness around here and it's kind of annoying when people dissapear when things get bad for their point of view.

 

[Luminis]

I'm just curious as to what people will say upon realising that the standard models will, most likely, not offer the same body modifications as the premiums, due to being single-piece models.

Looking bad is a bad thing, missing out on features that affects gameplay is way worse. Not that I haven't said it before, though...

Anyways, the whole standard car issue bears a pretty big "Told ya!" feeling now.

 

[JDMKING13]

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Standard car garage. 👍 I guess when you select the car it starts up now. It would be cool if they have all the authentic sounds.

Can anybody make out the cars in the standard garage? I think the 1st one is a Mazda Miata MX-5 1800

Anyways, the whole standard car issue bears a pretty big "Told ya!" feeling now.

In your opinion.

Edit from Slip.

Premium:
Volkswagen Kubelwagen
Daihatsu Copen Active Top
Mini Cooper S
Lambo Gallardo LP560-4
Toyota FT-86 Concept
PDI Kart

Standard:
MX-5 1800 RS '04
Citroen 2CV Type A '54
Toyota Vitz U Euro Sports Edition '00
Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65
Suzuki Wagon R RR '98
Honda Z Act '70
Jensen Interceptor MK III '74
Toyota Celica 1600GT (TA22) '70
Buick Special '62
Subaru 360 '58
Shelby Mustang GT350R '65
Honda Gathers Drider Civic Race Car '98
Nissan SilEighty '98
Hommell Berlinetta R/S Coupe '99
Honda Civic SiR-II '91
Toyota Vitz U Euro Sport Edition '00
Toyota Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '99

It's not that hard to ID them with the GTP guides for GT4... even with the awful video quality.

 

[Tenacious D]

Im one of those who can easily spot the standards even in those videos.

And you were the guy on day one who pointed out how atrocious the bot cars looked in Forza, eagle eye?

Anyway, it's going to be interesting when we get GT5 how many people are grouching at how awful the Standard cars look, and should never have been included. Although it will be just as interesting how many are pleasantly surprised. I expect a certain amount of bias from the cockpit only crowd, which is to be expected.

Another point of interest for me will be of how many who are adamant that they'll never touch a Standard with a 10 foot USB cable eventually change their minds. After all, there are going to be a lot of really nice rides in that Standard roster. Will the temptation to go to the outdated side prove too great?

 

[Pneus Fumants]

after all, standards cars aren't too bad, we can see the difference but do you prefere just 250 premium cars or 250 premium cars AND 800 more ??

and the physics will be the same on standar and premium sooo

i just want my MR-spyder premium !!

 

[Beat the Beat]

Standards obviously won't be as upgradeable as premiums but at least it looks like they've kept in tuning options for the standards.

But more than that I was wondering where they have dissapeared off to when just a day or two ago they were adament that it was true....

I think they just moved on to being adamant about how the dealership screenshot was showing a small selection of rotating manufacturers.

 

[Tenacious D]

Thanks for the link JDMKING, I'm digging the heck out of that video. I thought I'd point out quickly that the headlights on that Shelby Cobra definitely are not textures. They don't look like textures in the previous racing videos either. If you can't see the moving reflections, maybe you have Standard vision bias.

I have a feeling that I'm going to have to be increasingly scrupulous over GT5 news, because I do want a few surprises left for when I finally get the game.

 

[skyline gt-r34]

but the cars standard have internal visual (cockpit) or not? still it has not been understood…because in 5 years only 200 cars premium are indeed little if the standard they do not have the cockpit
thanks!

 

[Organ-Donor]

but the cars standard have internal visual (cockpit) or not? still it has not been understood…because in 5 years only 200 cars premium are indeed little if the standard they do not have the cockpit
thanks!

No, standard cars have no internal view. I think when you see the detail and quality of the premium cars you will understand why they couldn't model 1000 interiors.

 

[skyline gt-r34]

ok, but 5 years for convert the car of gt4 is inacceptable, today all the games can have 200 cars as the premium and does not demand 5 years but!
it was better to even have all the inner ones even if with an inferior quality

 

[Beat the Beat]

Did they add working wipers to the standard models?... I hope so!
Edit: what am I talking about! no cockpit view so doesn't matter so much

 

[VXR]

I'm not really sure how anyone with GT4 photomode shots on file couldn't guess just how limited they'd be, even with a little polish. If certain cars like the Jag S-Type and PT Cruiser have been ported as-is, they'll still be misshapen.

 

[STJ88]

Nissan SilEighty '98

Nooooo!!!!!!!!! The sileighty is one of my favorite cars ever! I realy wanted that one in premium.

 

[DingoDile]

ok, but 5 years for convert the car of gt4 is inacceptable, today all the games can have 200 cars as the premium and does not demand 5 years but!
it was better to even have all the inner ones even if with an inferior quality

5 years only for premium cars ?!
GT5 has lots of features that GT4 didnt have. from Online , Cockpit , Damage to Weather , Dynamic Day/Night Cycle , Head Tracking , 3D , Nascar & ...
all of them are new to GT series. besides GT5 cockpits are ultra impressive & 200 GT cockpits are real cockpits ! when you look back in cockpit mode , you see back interior. I dont know any console game with this view. in other games when you look back , you see out of your car.

 

[Beat the Beat]

when you look back in cockpit mode , you see back interior. I dont know any console game with this view. in other games when you look back , you see out of your car.

Grand Theft Auto 3 and the sequels.

 

[WolfRacer543]

200 GT cockpits are real cockpits ! when you look back in cockpit mode , you see back interior. I dont know any console game with this view. in other games when you look back , you see out of your car.

Honestly, I'd rather 400 cars with a fully modelled dash but no rear seats modelled than 200 cars which a fully modelled interior that I wont see for 99% of the time I'm racing.

I'll probably be one of those people who, if given the option, wont install the standards at all and just play the game through with premiums, purely for the cockpit view.

 

[Luminis]

In your opinion.

Yeah, pretty much.

"They'll have cockpit view!" No, they don't, just as a few people, including myself, said they won't.

"They'll look like the cars from Prologue!" No, they don't, just as a few people, including myself, said they won't.

"The differences between standards and premiums will be barely noticeble!" No, they are noticible, even in a low-res Youtube video.

So yeah, up to this point, it does bear a certain 'Told ya!' feel to me. It totally does. And it was to be expected. For the simple reason that those few people just went with simple logic.
And in my opinion, Devedander is right. There were a lot of people claiming a lot of stuff and now that it's obvious they were wrong, they're nowhere to be seen or heard.

I know it may come off as hating on the game. But what was said was obviously spot on, one way or another.

And I'll just say this: They'll be quite limited in terms of body modification as well.

Not only graphics, gameplay stuff as well.

And you were the guy on day one who pointed out how atrocious the bot cars looked in Forza, eagle eye?

Just one little question. What's with the obsession with Forza? It's a bad thing in Forza, but it doesn't make it any better if something comparable happens in GT5, does it?
If it's a bad thing in Forza, it's a bad thing in GT as well. Everything else would obviously be apllying double standards.

 

[JDMKING13]

Yeah, pretty much.

"They'll have cockpit view!" No, they don't, just as a few people, including myself, said they won't.

"They'll look like the cars from Prologue!" No, they don't, just as a few people, including myself, said they won't.

"The differences between standards and premiums will be barely noticeble!" No, they are noticible, even in a low-res Youtube video.

So yeah, up to this point, it does bear a certain 'Told ya!' feel to me. It totally does. And it was to be expected. For the simple reason that those few people just went with simple logic.
And in my opinion, Devedander is right. There were a lot of people claiming a lot of stuff and now that it's obvious they were wrong, they're nowhere to be seen or heard.

Key word to you, I think the Shelby mustang looks very good as many other members on the planet agree.

 

[Luminis]

Key word to you, I think the Shelby mustang looks very good as many other members on the planet agree.

Whether you, me, or anyone else things it looks good or not doesn't even matter in this case.

Is there a noticible difference when compared to premiums? Yes.
Do they look like the cars in Prologue? No.
Do they have cockpit view? No.

That's what I was going at. Those things were adamantly denied by a lot of people. And they did turn out to be true. That simple.

 

[JDMKING13]

Whether you, me, or anyone else things it looks good or not doesn't even matter in this case.

Is there a noticible difference when compared to premiums? Yes.
Do they look like the cars in Prologue? No.
Do they have cockpit view? No.

That's what I was going at. Those things were adamantly denied by a lot of people. And they did turn out to be true. That simple.

Ok Luminis anything you say man. 👍

 

[infamousDee]

today all the games can have 200 cars as the premium and does not demand 5 years

NFS: Shift is the only console game with car models even remotely close to the quality of GT5's "Premiums," and that game has, what, 90 cars? I do, however, consider the inclusion of Standard cars an absolute folly.

 

[Griffith500]

Quoting myself to ensure immediate entry to hell.

OK. So to add to my list of concerns about Standards:

Paint (wheels and body).

On top of:
Cockpits, customisation, race mods and sound.

I forgot about tuning options, which it seems have been expanded for the standard cars (going by the video showing the Shelby GT350). 👍
Sound also seems to have been changed from GT4, at least for that Motul Civic '87.
I'm still confident that Standards might be paint-able, at least in the stock schemes, but in non-stock colours - this impression is due to the way car's colours changed in GT3 when scrolling the swatches.
Aftermarket wheel painting; also no problem.

That leaves cockpit (confirmed absent), hence weather effects, "customisation" (body kits tab in GT Auto?) and Race Mods...


By the way, I hadn't noticed the extent of the similarity / differences with the premium / standard / GT4 shots, as evidenced above - but then I only watched it in motion. Once again I'll state that, for me, standards oughtn't be too jarring when racing. Replays might be a different story, and photo-mode almost certainly will. But I've accepted that, and I also don't care too much for cockpit view (unless it's improved from GT5).

 

[JDMKING13]

Quoting myself to ensure immediate entry to hell.


I forgot about tuning options, which it seems have been expanded for the standard cars (going by the video showing the Shelby GT350). 👍
Sound also seems to have been changed from GT4, at least for that Motul Civic '87.
I'm still confident that Standards might be paint-able, at least in the stock schemes, but in non-stock colours - this impression is due to the way car's colours changed in GT3 when scrolling the swatches.
Aftermarket wheel painting; also no problem.

That leaves cockpit (confirmed absent), hence weather effects, "customisation" (body kits tab in GT Auto?) and Race Mods...


By the way, I hadn't noticed the extent of the similarity / differences with the premium / standard / GT4 shots, as evidenced above - but then I only watched it in motion. Once again I'll state that, for me, standards oughtn't be too jarring when racing. Replays might be a different story, and photo-mode almost certainly will. But I've accepted that, and I also don't care too much for cockpit view (unless it's improved from GT5).

Well you can adjust the POV now so maybe you might be able to find that perfect view for you. 👍 The standard motul civic did sound good also.

 

[Luminis]

The standard motul civic did sound good also.

Compared to GT4, it sounds brilliant. So much more agressive. If all of the sounds have been improved that much, that's pretty darn good 👍

 

[JDMKING13]

Compared to GT4, it sounds brilliant. So much more agressive. If all of the sounds have been improved that much, that's pretty darn good 👍

No doubt man makes me want to hear a super car now! 👍

 

[shirakawaa]

Improved sounds will be an incentive to drive standard cars.
Maybe there will be some "hidden" gems.
But I also fear that not all of them might have been updated in that regard.

 

[Luminis]

No doubt man makes me want to hear a super car now! 👍

Yeah, I'd love to hear a comparison between Vipers and maybe a Skyline (preferably the Mine's) from GT4 and 5

 

[VXR]

Cars easily accessible to PD might be changed, but I'd be surprised if some of the more mundane Euro stuff has been re-recorded, unless they dumbed down the samples taken for GT4 to a poor level in that game and the masters were recorded properly.

 

[Spagetti69]

Luminis, that door handle looks like a badge.
Bloody awful.