Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

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What would you have rather had PD do about "premium" vs. "standard" cars

  • Keep everthing the same

    Votes: 324 19.1%
  • Release the game later with all the cars "premium"

    Votes: 213 12.6%
  • Not do "premium" cars at all but focus on other features i.e. dynamic weather

    Votes: 134 7.9%
  • DLC packs after the release

    Votes: 844 49.8%
  • Wished PD didn't get are hopes up, lol

    Votes: 180 10.6%

  • Total voters
    1,695
It's been a while since I posted in this thread, but with the car and track list out, as well as having seen various videos, I think now is a good time to speak my mind.

When I first got GT5P, the first thing that struck me was how well everything fit together; everything was up to the same (high) standard, from the cars to the tracks, the sound and the menus to the background music. The game was oozing with an overall 'sexy' kind of look. Hardly any bad points (if any). Overall, the game brought a smile to my face every time I played it or looked at it.

Same goes for GT PSP; even though many people complained about the lack of a proper career mode, the games overall appearance and performance is very coherent. All cars are up to the same visual standards (though there are a few exceptions), as well as the tracks.

When looking at the videos, the car list and the track list of GT5, the thing that struck me was the lack of coherence. On one end we have the best detailed looking car porn on the planet, and tracks with dynamic weather and time, but on the other end we have previous-gen cars and souped-up tracks. It's giving me the impression of being 80% GT4 HD, spiced up with 20% GT6. And a huge gap where GT5 should be. Same goes for the car list, there's the GT4/PSP ported stuff, then nothing, then a bunch of premiums. Where are all the 2008/2009/2010 street cars? So it's not just one aspect of the game where they made a split, it appears throughout the entire game. So when looking at some of the design choices, I simply wonder: 'why?'. Nobody would have complained if they simply released a GT4 HD called GT5 a couple of years ago, and then a GT6 a couple of years after that with just the premium stuff.

Then again, this will be the game we're getting, so this will be the game I'll be playing for most of the time. Mind you, I'll still play this game until the disc is worn out, because online (on any track and with any car, standard or premium) will be awesome! So I will be playing it a lot, even the parts I like less. ;)
 
Analog: And these ghosts will haunt your races... who'd ya gonna call ? Well... nobody actually, the Miller-Meteor is not in the game =3 (i know... i know... i am nuts)
 
I'll reserve my final opinion until I have played the game, but GT 5 is looking like the riced out Civic of video games. All "style" and little substance.

ricer_civic_2.jpg

I disagree. GT5 has nice style and attention to detail (graphics and whole GT world charm)
GT5 I bet will have best PHYSICS and REALISM on any console ever
So its not like a rice out Civic.
 
I have to agree with NLxArosa 👍

Still we don't have any real proof what can be done with standard cars. I really hope to see this sorted out before GT5 releases on 24th. Still cannot believe it ;)

I really hope standard cars will be racecustomizable. It adds more flavour to the GT4 generation of cars.
 
80% GT4 HD, 20% GT6. And a huge gap where GT5 should be.

This is a very good way to frame it. 👍

I'm with you guys regarding the standard cars also. I believe they're more of a curse on this game than a blessing.

I really hope standard cars will be racecustomizable. It adds more flavour to the GT4 generation of cars.

Well, we've been assured that the only difference is a minor, cosmetic one. But from what I've gathered, they are even less customisable than they were in GT4 on the PS2. :ouch:
 
NOTE:

Most of the cars that have been listed as STANDARD and PREMIUM are cars that you can transfer over from GT5 Prologue or GTPSP, i think if you transfer them you are going to get a STANDARD model. Or something like this.

I don't think it has got anything to do with the cars being Standard and Premium at the same time.
 
I think people are looking way too far into this 'cars from GT4' debate. Are we all forgetting Yamauchi is a perfectionist. This is the same man who took 6 years to complete a game! I firmly believe that standard cars will be enough to blow many people away, and the premium cars are just a measurement of PD's obsessiveness to detail.

...and I do recall that someone who had the stolen/leaked version of the game said there were some surprises that he did not want to mention. I think it has something to do with this standard/premium debate ;)
 
Again this is why you guys are here, and not videogame creators.

How totally wrong you are.
You see were all creators because Kaz listens to his fans.
Even recently some people were tossing around the ideas of bikes. Kaz responded to that.

We also pay the creators wages. So in effect were the boss too.

Hmm think what you like about yourself but don't put down the consumer.
 
I think people are looking way too far into this 'cars from GT4' debate. Are we all forgetting Yamauchi is a perfectionist. This is the same man who took 6 years to complete a game! I firmly believe that standard cars will be enough to blow many people away, and the premium cars are just a measurement of PD's obsessiveness to detail.

...and I do recall that someone who had the stolen/leaked version of the game said there were some surprises that he did not want to mention. I think it has something to do with this standard/premium debate ;)

You haven't really been paying close attention lately have you? ;)
 
I think people are looking way too far into this 'cars from GT4' debate. Are we all forgetting Yamauchi is a perfectionist. This is the same man who took 6 years to complete a game! I firmly believe that standard cars will be enough to blow many people away, and the premium cars are just a measurement of PD's obsessiveness to detail.

...and I do recall that someone who had the stolen/leaked version of the game said there were some surprises that he did not want to mention. I think it has something to do with this standard/premium debate ;)
the problem here aren't the standard cars tbh but the lack of the newest models.....
 
Are we all forgetting Yamauchi is a perfectionist.

Yes, I'm deliberately forgetting about that claim as it's just a claim to be taken with a grain of salt ( ever heard of marketing spin? ).
Even if he is a perfectionist ( which he could very well be and which is also a disturbing mental condition for many people ruining their lives ), that doesn't mean the game will be perfect.
In fact it probably only means he will never be completely satisfied with any end result no matter what, and this time I share his worries.
Also I can't really see him being happy about this whole issue but ultimately he's responsible for the choices made, his true vision can be seen in only 20% of the car list, whatever triggered this decision still baffles me.
I have a huge respect for this man ( might not always appear that way though ) and am a huge fan of GT and therefore especially I find this whole debacle ( which it is in my opinion, whatever someone else says ) so odd in the context of previous achievements and choices, and halfhearted in its execution ( in short, not PD-like ironically ).
 
Has the definition of Standards vs Premium changed in GT5?

According to the car list the R32 and R33 Skyline GT-R are considered standard spec models....

So I guess mods are in for standards :)
And they also have visible drivers in them. Unless there are several tiers within Standards

R32 with exhaust upgrade and rims
gt5r32.jpg


R33 with big wing and rims
gt5r33.jpg


R33 with all the above, plus carbon bonnet with bonnet pins etc
gt5r332.jpg
 
Has the definition of Standards vs Premium changed in GT5?

According to the car list the R32 and R33 Skyline GT-R are considered standard spec models....

So I guess mods are in for standards :)
And they also have visible drivers in them. Unless there are several tiers within Standards

R32 with exhaust upgrade and rims
gt5r32.jpg


R33 with big wing and rims
gt5r33.jpg


R33 with all the above, plus carbon bonnet with bonnet pins etc
gt5r332.jpg

Go check the list again, There is a premium model for the R32, R33 and R34. The only retarded thing is that the other variatons of those models are standard! I mean how long would it take to change a few badges and a spoiler and make a V spec into a M spec!
 
Has the definition of Standards vs Premium changed in GT5?

According to the car list the R32 and R33 Skyline GT-R are considered standard spec models....

So I guess mods are in for standards :)
And they also have visible drivers in them. Unless there are several tiers within Standards

All cars in the intro movie are Premium. Check the car list again, scroll a bit more down, and you will find a Skyline R32 and a Skyline R33 which have both a Standard and a Premium version in-game. The Premium ones can be modified as you see in the video. The Standard ones can't.

EDIT: On a side note, the car in the middle picture is a R34, which is a known Premium as it was present in GT5P.
 
Has the definition of Standards vs Premium changed in GT5?

According to the car list the R32 and R33 Skyline GT-R are considered standard spec models....

So I guess mods are in for standards :)
And they also have visible drivers in them. Unless there are several tiers within Standards


Mate both the R32 and R33 GTR's are premiums, have a look at the car list numbers :
747-R33 GTR
749-R32 GTR
 
Go check the list again, There is a premium model for the R32, R33 and R34. The only retarded thing is that the other variatons of those models are standard! I mean how long would it take to change a few badges and a spoiler and make a V spec into a M spec!

20 dollar/euro "Premium upgrade" pack coming soon to solve this problem.
I feel it coming 👎:ouch:
(by the way, I just noticed there are two almost identical Premium Suzuki Cappuccino)
 
Go check the list again, There is a premium model for the R32, R33 and R34. The only retarded thing is that the other variatons of those models are standard! I mean how long would it take to change a few badges and a spoiler and make a V spec into a M spec!

I don't really get this whole thing either. The most powerful Skylines of each generation are premium, so what I'd like to know is this:

Who's going to bother with a standard Skyline if they could have the most powerful, arguably the best of that generation in premium form?
I mean, no matter whether a person likes the standard cars or not, this seems outright stupid.
 
I have a feeling not so far in the future PD will release a Premium car update. It won't take long to make all those other variatons of the skyline's, RX7's, MX5's and impreza's premium. If they dit that they would have like 60 new premiums and lots of second hand cars.
 
I don't really get this whole thing either. The most powerful Skylines of each generation are premium, so what I'd like to know is this:

Who's going to bother with a standard Skyline if they could have the most powerful, arguably the best of that generation in premium form?
I mean, no matter whether a person likes the standard cars or not, this seems outright stupid.

Actualy its not that simple its more about the looks like rims and trim. And actualy we don't have the most powerfull GTR as premium, al the N1 GTR's are standard.

The N1's are the lightweigt models, with thin paint, No ABS and no audio. And not to forget the also importand N1 blueprint engine straigt from the 90's JGTC cars.

PS. Sorry for the double post.
 
Actualy its not that simple its more about the looks like rims and trim. And actualy we don't have the most powerfull GTR as premium, al the N1 GTR's are standard.

The N1's are the lightweigt models, with thin paint, No ABS and no audio. And not to forget the also importand N1 blueprint engine straigt from the 90's JGTC cars.

Oh, yeah, I actually forgot about the N1. Well, aside from that, though, the question is this: Who in their right mind would forgo all of the advantages that come with the premium badge for those slight differences.

I mean, okay, the wheels are different, for example. On a premium car, you'll be able to change them. Standard? Not so much...

If you're a massive fan of the Skyline, massive enough to know and actually appreciate all of those subtle differences, wouldn't it be more important to have the Skyline's cockpit over the exakt kind of rims you'd want?
 
Oh, yeah, I actually forgot about the N1. Well, aside from that, though, the question is this: Who in their right mind would forgo all of the advantages that come with the premium badge for those slight differences.

I mean, okay, the wheels are different, for example. On a premium car, you'll be able to change them. Standard? Not so much...

If you're a massive fan of the Skyline, massive enough to know and actually appreciate all of those subtle differences, wouldn't it be more important to have the Skyline's cockpit over the exakt kind of rims you'd want?

Haven't you noticed the premiums are pretty much just there so Sony can write 1000+ cars on the box? There are so many repeats of the same freaking car. 18 S2000s. I'll bet if you take out all the repeats you will end up with ~150 premiums and like 600 standards
 
Oh, yeah, I actually forgot about the N1. Well, aside from that, though, the question is this: Who in their right mind would forgo all of the advantages that come with the premium badge for those slight differences.

I mean, okay, the wheels are different, for example. On a premium car, you'll be able to change them. Standard? Not so much...

If you're a massive fan of the Skyline, massive enough to know and actually appreciate all of those subtle differences, wouldn't it be more important to have the Skyline's cockpit over the exakt kind of rims you'd want?

Thats what i ment does different variantions of the skyline and ofcourse other cars had sense in GT4 because the gave you a feeling like you were realy buying a second hand car.

But now with the whole standard premium thing even the most hardcore fans (me) won't drive them. I'm just realy mad PD didn't make the other variatons premium, how long could it take ta change a few details and make an new model.
 
Haven't you noticed the premiums are pretty much just there so Sony can write 1000+ cars on the box? There are so many repeats of the same freaking car. 18 S2000s. I'll bet if you take out all the repeats you will end up with ~150 premiums and like 600 standards
Well, yeah, I said so myself. There are more versions of the RX-7 in GT5 than Ferraris. And while I'm not a huge Ferrari fan, thats just... Meh, I don't even want to go there.
 
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