Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[VXR]

They're the GT4 photomode models in a new lighting engine. Go look at a photomode shot from that game and imagine it shinier. Still the same, rough-edged cars they were six years ago.

 

[gaming25]

Yeah, I can see a lot of people liking them for being a thousand. I can't see a lot of people liking them for the cars they are, because they are second rate.


Or rather, if it is, GT5 is certainly losing that feel of cutting edge it always had. And that certain feel of polish as well.

If you cant see people liking them for the cars they are, because idk after all they are CARS, then you are totally wrong.



And then you talk about "polish" again. lol. Once again, the standards are named "standard" for a reason. We knew what we were going to get with these cars a long time ago.

 

[Luminis]

^^ Too many assumptions.

Have you seen the new "standard" cars? I havent. But I would expect that they would be of a high quality anyway, and that "premium" cars would just build on that...

What 'new standard cars'? There's just one kind of standard cars, the one that have been carried over from GT4.

And to the poster above the one I quoted:
Isn't "You cannot change the wheels on a Standard Model car" clear enough yet?

If you cant see people liking them for the cars they are, because idk after all they are CARS, then you are totally wrong.

Sigh... I can imagine people like having a thousand cars. That's the appeal of the standard cars. There's a lot of them. Do you really want to argue that they are second rate compared to the premiums?

And then you talk about "polish" again. lol. Once again, the standards are named "standard" for a reason. We knew what we were going to get with these cars a long time ago.

I could proclaim George W. Bush to be a standard moron. Is that the standard for moronic people because I said so? No, it's not. Saame with standard cars. If Forza can do better than that, then no, that shouldn't be the standard GT5 is aiming for. They should be calles sub-standard cars as that's what they are. But if a nametag is all it takes to convince you that the standard cars are actually a standard to go by, well, thats just sad.

If you fail to realise that a car is not up to the standard of the PS3 era if it's using a model from a PS2 game, that's just plain stupid, sorry. It doesn't even matter what it's called. A PS2 car is not up to the standard of the PS3 era, period.

 

[analog]

^^ Too many assumptions.

Have you seen the new "standard" cars? I havent. But I would expect that they would be of a high quality anyway, and that "premium" cars would just build on that...

Now talk about assumptions.

If you cant see people liking them for the cars they are, because idk after all they are CARS, then you are totally wrong.

This has nothing to do with the cars ( the brand, model or type of car ) but them being the same assets we've already played in GT4 with no new gameplay features like cockpit view, visual damage, etc.
I've upgraded to a PS3 because I expected to play PS3 games with PS3 possibilities, in short PS3 cars.

 

[VXR]

Well, they called them standard because calling them leftovers might have been a bit obvious.

 

[Strittan]

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5536/forzaj.jpg

I can't stand Forza's graphics for some reason. I think it's the lighting, or simply a lot of things. Just doesn't look accurate, like GT and iRacing.

 

[VXR]

It's the lighting, I assure you.

And since PD couldn't be bothered to add the E46 M3 as a premium, witness a direct comparison between a current-gen title and GT4-era models.

 

[gaming25]

They're the GT4 photomode models in a new lighting engine. Go look at a photomode shot from that game and imagine it shinier. Still the same, rough-edged cars they were six years ago.

They are also in HD as well. And they look amazing. I dont have to "imagine" anything they look way better than GT4 cars.

 

[Dapper]

Standard cars would look way cooler if all tracks had weather and time changes.

 

[SLAPHAPPYFRANKY]

What 'new standard cars'? There's just one kind of standard cars, the one that have been carried over from GT4.

And to the poster above the one I quoted:
Isn't "You cannot change the wheels on a Standard Model car" clear enough yet?

No need to be a douche about it, but I guess you cant deny your true calling. It could have been something completely different since not being able to change 800 cars wheels is basically garbage when the same cars could in GT4.

 

[gaming25]

Since not being able to change 800 cars wheels is basically garbage when the same cars could in GT4.

They're just wheels (and not tires), get over it. Many other specifications you can do with the standards.

 

[Le Mans 88]

I suggest some posters jump over to the sound thread and check out the new engine sounds.

When you hear the difference between the new and old Gallardo engine sounds it makes you realise how trivial (cockpit view aside) the difference is between premium and standard cars in terms of immersing yourself in the game.

 

[Slurm]

I suggest some posters jump over to the sound thread and check out the new engine sounds.

When you hear the difference between the new and old Gallardo engine sounds it makes you realise how trivial (cockpit view aside) the difference is between premium and standard cars in terms of immersing yourself in the game.

Man, I know you're just trying to be positive, but how much do you want to bet me all 800 standard cars have received the same sound overhaul treatment? The list of what standard cars don't do only grows.

 

[VXR]

They are also in HD as well. And they look amazing. I dont have to "imagine" anything they look way better than GT4 cars.

Resolution wise, they're already above 720p when output to memory stick on the PS2. Polygons and resolution are independent of each other on a screen as big as this.

 

[ghostrider135]

1 other thing I forgot to add the term

"You can't polish a turd" i.e standards

 

[Luminis]

No need to be a douche about it, but I guess you cant deny your true calling. It could have been something completely different since not being able to change 800 cars wheels is basically garbage when the same cars could in GT4.

Sorry for being rude, my reaction was uncalled for. It's just, the same thing has been asked over and over and over and over again

While I can understand why people do so, it's getting annoying, especially as the very same happened quite a while ago with the whole cockpit view affair. It's perfectly understandable to not want it to be true and, thus, question it whenever the opportunity arises, but at times, what you see is what you get. No hidden truths, no nothing.

 

[gtracedriver]

It's the lighting, I assure you.

And since PD couldn't be bothered to add the E46 M3 as a premium, witness a direct comparison between a current-gen title and GT4-era models.

No need to post bullshots of Forza everyone knows how the game looks
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7532/forza1r.jpg

 

[Sapphire-Wolf]

They're just wheels (and not tires), get over it. Many other specifications you can do with the standards.

Yeah let's take something you've been able to do since GT2 and get rid of it for 800 cars. That a great idea.

 

[SLAPHAPPYFRANKY]

They're just wheels (and not tires), get over it. Many other specifications you can do with the standards.

Its a rather big screw up really. Who wants to drive a car that has been fully built and tuned to stay with lets say a Ferrari and then have stock rims. To you it doesnt mean anything I guess, but I'd rather have different rims than stock as most stock rims are ugly and rather small.

Sorry for being rude, my reaction was uncalled for. It's just, the same thing has been asked over and over and over and over again

While I can understand why people do so, it's getting annoying, especially as the very same happened quite a while ago with the whole cockpit view affair. It's perfectly understandable to not want it to be true and, thus, question it whenever the opportunity arises, but at times, what you see is what you get. No hidden truths, no nothing.

I apologize for saying you were a douche. I didnt know it was asked so much and havent seen a discussion on it.

 

[skip101]

Ok i'm loving these standard cars, compared to forza 3 they actually compete. the lighting makes the standards look better than forza. I mean the pic above shows gt4 already competes with forza. Thats just me but im liking these standards

 

[VXR]

A bullshot? It's directly from my copy of the game, sent to MS's awful overly compressed website and uploaded without editing to Flickr.

 

[J-KiLLA24]

It's the lighting, I assure you.

And since PD couldn't be bothered to add the E46 M3 as a premium, witness a direct comparison between a current-gen title and GT4-era models.

haha, Gt5's standard cars will look better than both of these pics.

Edit: "Do" look better...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8v7hjaSr6c

 

[VXR]

Have you ctrl-scrolled and seen the amount of texturing on the side of the CSL? If they haven't toned that down, then no, it won't look better than a car modeled to current gen standards, as that's an old fashioned way to create cars.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Has the definition of Standards vs Premium changed in GT5?

According to the car list the R32 and R33 Skyline GT-R are considered standard spec models....

So I guess mods are in for standards
And they also have visible drivers in them. Unless there are several tiers within Standards

As has been mentioned a bunch of times, the GT-R's are indeed Premium. Every single car has a visible driver, regardless of tier. We don't know if the carbon hoods are available for just Premiums at this point (though I wouldn't doubt it).

20 dollar/euro "Premium upgrade" pack coming soon to solve this problem.
I feel it coming 👎
(by the way, I just noticed there are two almost identical Premium Suzuki Cappuccino)

How about 2 actually identical Swifts? I did notice something neat while fiddling with the car list: we do get a new C5 Vette, the '04 Z06 with 405hp. Which is nice.

Actualy its not that simple its more about the looks like rims and trim. And actualy we don't have the most powerfull GTR as premium, al the N1 GTR's are standard.

The N1's are the lightweigt models, with thin paint, No ABS and no audio. And not to forget the also importand N1 blueprint engine straigt from the 90's JGTC cars.

That'd be great... if GT4 accurately portrayed the N1's. In PSP, they have the exact same weight as other cars of their year, and the same horsepower rating. They're arguably nothing more than a palette swap, even though they shouldn't be. ABS sadly doesn't matter in GT-land much like a real car's implementation of ASM or TCS; in GT5, those are universal driving aids. It's unfortunate, I'd say, but it means the N1's really didn't have any noticeable advantage over their other counterparts.

Dunno... I don't consider every facelift to be relevant enough to warrant a premium car. Having one from every generation is quite somethign and should be done for most manufacturers first before adding facelifted versions.

I'd rather see a FC32, a FD3S, a BMW E30 M3 and E36 M3 instead of having four versions of the RX-7, two of which are just facelifts.

See, this brought me to an interesting point; I've been playing around with the car list in Word, cutting out duplicates and the fun regional name padding PD loves so much. Everybody's idea of what constitutes a cut-worthy car is different of course, so I left things like major facelifts in (the RX-7 getting a pre-98 car and a end-of-line model, since there are some very significant changes). I cut NASCAR models down to one per manufacturer, since it's just paint (though really, I guess I could cut it down to a sole NASCAR then ), I cut JGTC models down to one per model year (A '00 Tom's and '00 Ceruma are the same shell), and I cut things like 2 of the 3 identical second-gen Tiburons.

But then I got inconsistent; I cut the front-drive Mitsubishi GTO's because really... why? Why bother? On the other hand, I left the naturally-aspirated second-gen MR2, as well as the turbo GT-S. I also didn't have the heart to cut each numerical Evo designation (and same goes with the WRX). I cut the Standard Copen, because the Premium's basically the same... but left both the Alfa GTV, and Spider. The TT? Cut to the first-gen V6, and second-gen TT-S. I also got rid of the more mundane "concept" cars (the NSX Type-R Concept, as an example), but kept more out-there ones like the Audi Le Mans (because it turned out to be very, very different from the street car R8).

I'm being generous though; I left two DC2 Integra Type-R's, because despite the only differences really being bigger rims and brakes between '95 and '99, I can appreciate the historical importance of the first one, and the "ultimate evolution" in the last-of-line. Both first-gen MR2's survive. The Corolla Runx gets the chop because the mechanically identical (yet much better looking) WiLL VS lives. Anywho, my count? 738. I cut very nearly 300 cars off the list in a way that at least I personally think does very little, if any, amount of damage to the appeal of the car list. Other than people wanting to own their specific trim level, there are still all the main models in the game (with Nascars and SuperGT models being treated as the paintjobs they are). Just sort of interesting, really.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

A bullshot? It's directly from my copy of the game, sent to MS's awful overly compressed website and uploaded without editing to Flickr.

My Forza photos look nothing like the one you posted. Maybe im just crap at taking photos lol.

Personally I feel the cars on Forza look like plastic. The video below is actually direct feed as I uploaded to Forza.net. As you can see the cars look like crap compared to the photo you posted.

 

[VXR]

I've played with the photomode a lot. The only time I edit an image is to rotate it in Photoshop. I used to resize to 640x360, but now I just leave it as it is, because Flickr has a high quality algorithm for displaying images.

Red cars are obliterated by the upload process on FM.net if you over-saturate. Compression artifacts galore.

The lighting is dreadful, I'll happily agree. It's often hard to even get a useable shot, because of their awful bloom lighting and HDR decision. With any luck, T10 realised a realistic lighting scheme was priority one, as GT has always had that nailed.

 

[Peter]

Pretty much 👍
That's my issue with the standard cars, at least.

There's more to why I dislike the overall car list, though.

You DON'T need to drive the standards if you don't want to. Comparing Standards' graphics to Premiums' is like comparing a BMW M3 to a Bugatti Veyron. The Veyron is in another galaxy in terms of speed, to almost every other car on earth(GT5 premiums are way ahead of other cars in other games in terms of graphics), but even though the M3 may not be as fast, it's still fast, and you can still have as much fun with it as any premium.

 

[Surda]

The first official said something like. "180 premium, new cars to the series 750 standard, carried over from GT4" now ask yourself why would PD seperate these cars if there was not going to be a significant difference? Now go back to my original question...

PD said 950+ cars and that standard cars wouldn't have interior modeling.

They never said anything about GT4 cars and were adamant about the GT PSP using GT5 cars.

 

[superb16]

They're just wheels (and not tires), get over it. Many other specifications you can do with the standards.

Do you even own a car?!? Wheels affect performance! Especially if you can change the diameter and width. Everyone except you knows that.

 

[gaming25]

Do you even own a car?!? Wheels affect performance! Especially if you can change the diameter and width. Everyone except you knows that.

I dont believe that I ever said that wheels dont affect performance. But I do find it ridiculous to call the standards "garbage" because of not being able to change them. There are still many different specs you can do with standards.