Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[LightningRider]

I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't care about standards. Last I checked, they're still cars, I can still drive them, they use the same physics engine as the premiums so they'll handle like their real life counterparts, so what's the big deal?

Is cockpit view really THAT important? I mean hell, is bumper cam, chase cam, or roof/hood whatever the hell it is in GT5 cam that big of a leap from cockpit view? I mean, I like cockpit view as well, but given the new features we can use with these 800+ cars, I'm not crying.

I mean seriously, are people really moaning and crying about WHEELS?! WHEELS!!! You won't even see them when you're racing, if you focus on the wheels the entire race then you're lucky to complete one lap around the track, let alone get past the first corner without crashing. I know we'd like to personalize our cars, and that some stock rims are ugly as sin, but it's not that big a deal. At this point we're nitpicking. I swear, if I hear these statements after November 24th I'm gonna punt a baby and a puppy!

"That tree doesn't have enough birds in it"

"The spoiler is missing one bolt, because the real life car has 687 but this one has 686, the game sucks "

Are people really forgetting what we're getting in this game? 1000+ cars that premium or not, they still look very, very beautiful, weather, granted it's not on every track, but it's something, damage, course maker, go karting, WRC, Nascar, little bit of F1, 60 FPS, some other things I can't remember due to a short amount of time I spent sleeping, but the most important thing is, it's Gran Turismo. We're getting things we wished other GT games had, and we're getting more. Polyphony Digital are going all out with Gran Turismo 5, and this is their first time on next generation consoles, so lets cut them some slack. Expect Gran Turismo 6 to be even better, and I hoped developed faster.

 

[Slurm]

NEW SHAMELESS 1000 CARS AD! http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/driving/granturismo52/video/6283963 OMG a thaosand carz!!

 

[thetossr]

I race in bumper view so in that sense driving a standard or premium model wont matter as much to me. of course its going to be fun to get all the premium cars and check them out in cockpit but I'll probably switch back to bumper when i want to put in a fast lap. For me, thats what GT is all about, going as fast as you can around a track and then trying to go faster. Thats where all the fun is for me.

 

[meflis]

DLC in GT5

here is a interview from October 2010 with Kaz

http://www.vg247.com/2010/10/20/yamauchi-hints-at-bikes-dlc-for-gran-turismo-5/

i dont know its been posted before

also maybe we have DLC

 

[Luminis]

Is cockpit view really THAT important? I mean hell, is bumper cam, chase cam, or roof/hood whatever the hell it is in GT5 cam that big of a leap from cockpit view?

Short answer: To some, it is. And personally, I don't think that's just a few people. It's standard in the industry nowadays to have cockpit view. Expecting it on all cars is nothing unreasonable, especially if the game's producer is a considered a perfectionist.

I mean seriously, are people really moaning and crying about WHEELS?! WHEELS!!! You won't even see them when you're racing, if you focus on the wheels the entire race then you're lucky to complete one lap around the track, let alone get past the first corner without crashing. I know we'd like to personalize our cars, and that some stock rims are ugly as sin, but it's not that big a deal. At this point we're nitpicking. I swear, if I hear these statements after November 24th I'm gonna punt a baby and a puppy!

You might want to get yourself a few babies and puppies ready, as I fully expect this to be brought up in a lot of reviews. In fact, a proper revies should bring this up. If it doesn't it's just proof of either bias or a very, very superficial review.
And, besides, chaning a car's rims is the most basic way to customise a car. If that's not in the game, the question is: What WILL we be able to do? I've kisses race mod good by for the standard cars (most cars, for thath matter), body modification seems questionable as well... I guess we're lucky if we end up being able to do as much as we were in GT4. So yeah, it is 'only' wheels. However, that in and of itself is quite a loss, due to being somethign so basic that was in the game years ago. But first fooremost, it doesn't bode well for, well, any kind of modifcation on the standards.

weather, granted it's not on every track, but it's something

See, that's what it boils down to. GT went from being all around awesome to 'but it's something'. If that's what you were looking fo6666r in a GT game, that's fine. I somehow expected another top-notch product, much like the predecessors, especially given the time and money it took to get 5 done.

 

[Rodpunisher]

It seems that Forza Fanboys invaded this thread... lol

I bet that the majority of the people complaining doesn't even have a PS3 ;-p

 

[KilzoneStrife]

I dont know what to think about PD anymore, no more of this legend worship for Kaz though. He let his 'standards' drop for this one. From helping Nissan with that hardware/software R35 computer (which nissan apparently gave Kaz an R35 for,personally,no dealings with PD), Im sure Nissan paid well to be advertised. Mazda paid well too, I noticed since GT4 a fictional track being called Mazda High Speed Ring? Suzuki 2 premium cappucinos. 2 Swifts. Mini 2 premium Mini Coopers. AND.. making the GT Academy cars seperate premiums. These things.. make me feel Kaz sold us out.

 

[Spagetti69]

It seems that Forza Fanboys invaded this thread... lol

I bet that the majority of the people complaining doesn't even have a PS3 ;-p

Wow.

 

[Rodpunisher]

I dont know what to think about PD anymore, no more of this legend worship for Kaz though. He let his 'standards' drop for this one. From helping Nissan with that hardware/software R35 computer (which nissan apparently gave Kaz an R35 for,personally,no dealings with PD), Im sure Nissan paid well to be advertised. Mazda paid well too, I noticed since GT4 a fictional track being called Mazda High Speed Ring? Suzuki 2 premium cappucinos. 2 Swifts. Mini 2 premium Mini Coopers. AND.. making the GT Academy cars seperate premiums. These things.. make me feel Kaz sold us out.

It's his game... his vision. The only thing that sounds awkward is that the people who enjoyed the previous versions of the game suddenly change their minds about the same aspects that were present in the series.

Since the first GT, there were always a lot of japanese cars and that didn't stop us (fans) and the media from praising the game.

People should stop being so melodramatic

 

[shirakawaa]

I'm not against car model padding per se, but that has been performed on Premium cars too which we knew in advance that would have been limited in number, so car models should have been chosen more carefully. Have a look how Enthusia Professional Racing (PS2) managed to have a very complete and diverse selection with about 220 total cars.

If we take out duplicates/alternate very similar versions, there are around 160 Premium cars in GT5. The car line-up is also unbalanced toward race and supercars so it doesn't look like a huge improvement over Prologue which came out three years ago. Personally I was hoping for 200+ completely different cars with a nice balance between old and new, slow and fast cars, so I'm disappointed with them.

Also since Racing modifications are in, what's up with all those racing cars in the list?
Way more emphasis should have been put on road legal cars (to be modified at a later time).

 

[popup]

If we are to compare rather than speculate then we at least need some direct captures of some standard cars to remain fair the what the game ultimately has to offer. I keep reading about the lack of detail here, but off-screen compressed youtube footage jpg captures hardly warrants the assumptive descriptions that are being offered here by the disappointed brigade.

I personally am more interested in driving cars and although 'standard cars' may not have the detail of premium ones, they all share an updated physics engine that may well better represent the car and it's personality than a raised door handle and intercooler pipe can.


I hope everyone who buys the game has some fun with it because there is nothing that any of us can do to change it.

 

[Luminis]

It's his game... his vision. The only thing that sounds awkward is that the people who enjoyed the previous versions of the game suddenly change their minds about the same aspects that were present in the series.

It's called time, you know. I was content with a Pentium II @ 333MHz at one point. Today, my trusty C2D @ 3GHz is barely sufficient. So yeah, changing one's mind about the very same aspects of a game is pretty normal, I'd say.

Since the first GT, there were always a lot of japanese cars and that didn't stop us (fans) and the media from praising the game.

People should stop being so melodramatic

This isn't 1997, you know. The world has changed since back then and you should expect that GT did as well.
Besides, having lots of Japanese cars isn't the problem here. Having tons upon tons of cars that are barely different from each other, that's the big deal. Especially if other stuff gets left out for it. See Suzukis premium lineup for further reference.

 

[LightningRider]

Short answer: To some, it is. And personally, I don't think that's just a few people. It's standard in the industry nowadays to have cockpit view. Expecting it on all cars is nothing unreasonable, especially if the game's producer is a considered a perfectionist.

I understand it's considered a standard, and that Kaz is considered a perfectionist, but think about this. It took the game what? 5 almost 6 years to be made into the current 800 standard cars and 200 premium cars that we will get on November 24th? Now imagine if PD took the time to make those 800 cars premium, it'd take them another 5 years for it to be done, and most of the features we have now wouldn't be in the game at all. Hell, we're lucky to get this much content on the PS3 and not on the PS4!

He could of taken the Forza route and made standard cockpits for 800+ cars, but I'm sure Kaz wouldn't feel right having 800+ cars with 5 different variations of cockpits. And I'm damn sure you can agree with me that people would still complain.

You might want to get yourself a few babies and puppies ready, as I fully expect this to be brought up in a lot of reviews. In fact, a proper revies should bring this up. If it doesn't it's just proof of either bias or a very, very superficial review.
And, besides, chaning a car's rims is the most basic way to customise a car. If that's not in the game, the question is: What WILL we be able to do? I've kisses race mod good by for the standard cars (most cars, for thath matter), body modification seems questionable as well... I guess we're lucky if we end up being able to do as much as we were in GT4. So yeah, it is 'only' wheels. However, that in and of itself is quite a loss, due to being somethign so basic that was in the game years ago. But first fooremost, it doesn't bode well for, well, any kind of modifcation on the standards.

When I said I'd punt a baby and a puppy if I heard those statements, I was referring to the "lack of birds in trees, the spoiler and number of bolts", not the standard and premium cars, I know for a fact that will be brought up, so I'd have no problem punting a football instead.

Anyways, customizing a car shouldn't be a top priority when you get a car. I think about winning races, and using this car to get into first place. Now I'm not sure if we can tune standard cars (if someone can clarify this for me, it'd be greatly appreciated)but if we can't, that would be a disappointment. Even I can admit to that.

See, that's what it boils down to. GT went from being all around awesome to 'but it's something'. If that's what you were looking for in a GT game, that's fine. I somehow expected another top-notch product, much like the predecessors, especially given the time and money it took to get 5 done.

We need to remember that Polyphony Digital can't cater to everyone's tastes. If that was the case then Gran Turismo 5 would be the last game I ever play, because it'd probably be released around the time of my death! And considering my age that's saying something.

I too, am expecting another top-notch product, and Gran Turismo 5 seems to be just that. Like I previously stated, if Polyphony Digital had all the time in the world to make Gran Turismo 5 perfect, we wouldn't be having this discussion, because all the cars would be premium, and I'd be playing the game on my new G65 which is hooked up to my holographic tv and Playstation 7.

 

[Piotrov]

the whole problem with the standard and premium fiasco is the way Sony is marketing it.

ever since the start they never really hinted at there being a major devision.. (well they have in some small interview somewhere) But not in a grand way thus most avarege people were never aware and im sure that 50% or more are still not aware there is a difference.. and now people are seing things for real and its a shock after all the glitz and glamour that sony has been feeding us.. Now there is alot wrong with this game from what we can see.

Well, not really wrong but.... unfinished or rather unpolished.. Im dissapointed but again there are alot of good things in the game..

The question is do the good out weigh the bad.

I guess it depends on who you ask. As for myself im sure I will enjoy the game eather way but still in the back of my mind those little standard cars esp cars that I have owned or own I will not be able to enjoy in the same way I will the premiums.

But thats the way things work.. Time is of the essence thus GT5 had to come out sometime and some things had to take a back seat.

Im just holding Hope that some old models will be made premium for GT6.

 

[warp9engage]

It seems that Forza Fanboys invaded this thread... lol

I bet that the majority of the people complaining doesn't even have a PS3 ;-p

What is with you people and assuming that everyone who complains about GT must automatically be a Forza fanboy?

We complain not because we want to bash the game, but because we care about it and want to make PD realise the mistakes it has made so that those mistakes won't be repeated and we can all enjoy an improved game. I play both Forza and GT since I have both consoles. I like both games a lot and have complained about what I disagree on both of them so that, hopefully, some refinements will come down the line.

We can't just excuse everything and only give positive criticism, because that way, PD will most likely think "People enjoy this! We'll keep doing more of the same!" instead of addressing the issues.

Negative criticism (as long as it's not destructive) is also very important.

 

[Rodpunisher]

Besides, having lots of Japanese cars isn't the problem here. Having tons upon tons of cars that are barely different from each other, that's the big deal. Especially if other stuff gets left out for it. See Suzukis premium lineup for further reference.

Well, here is the list of Suzuki premium lineup

P Suzuki Cappuccino (EA21R) RM '95
P Suzuki CERVO SR '07
P Suzuki SWIFT Sport '05
P Suzuki SWIFT Sport '07
P Suzuki SX4 WRC '08

I see two Swifts from different years and according to you that is a bad thing ... hmm...ok

 

[shirakawaa]

There are three Premium Cappuccino. Two of them are listed as P/S, having both a Standard and a Premium version (something I can't understand).

 

[Luminis]

I understand it's considered a standard, and that Kaz is considered a perfectionist, but think about this. It took the game what? 5 almost 6 years to be made into the current 800 standard cars and 200 premium cars that we will get on November 24th? Now imagine if PD took the time to make those 800 cars premium, it'd take them another 5 years for it to be done, and most of the features we have now wouldn't be in the game at all. Hell, we're lucky to get this much content on the PS3 and not on the PS4!

Why go with 1031 cars, then. That's what baffles me. Why would someone, who's considered a perfectionist, drop the overall quality below what's considered the standard in the industry for most of the content available?
I understand that hitting a four digit number with the cars available will generate massive sales, but it's not a sign of qualitity, to me. And you brought up the exact point that bothers me: Getting 1000+ cars shouldn't have been the priority, not if it could only be achieved by adding second-rate content. In my opnion, at least. That's not what I expected from GT, really.

He could of taken the Forza route and made standard cockpits for 800+ cars, but I'm sure Kaz wouldn't feel right having 800+ cars with 5 different variations of cockpits. And I'm damn sure you can agree with me that people would still complain.

And you think he's content with 800 cars having nothing?

When I said I'd punt a baby and a puppy if I heard those statements, I was referring to the "lack of birds in trees, the spoiler and number of bolts", not the standard and premium cars, I know for a fact that will be brought up, so I'd have no problem punting a football instead.

Well, that's a good thing, then. I kinda misunderstood you there.

Anyways, customizing a car shouldn't be a top priority when you get a car. I think about winning races, and using this car to get into first place. Now I'm not sure if we can tune standard cars (if someone can clarify this for me, it'd be greatly appreciated)but if we can't, that would be a disappointment. Even I can admit to that.

The point is, if you look at real life racing, it's mostly heavily modified cars that are actually being raced. How many racing series do you know where stock looking Ferraris are being raced? And how many are there with those highly modified machines, like they are used in Time Attack?
Racing and car modification go hand in hand, and after realising that it's going to be part of GT5 (thanks to the picture with the R8 au GTAuto, which was posted weeks ago), it's a pretty big letdown to find that it's most likely not going to be possible on 80% of the cars

We need to remember that Polyphony Digital can't cater to everyone's tastes. If that was the case then Gran Turismo 5 would be the last game I ever play, because it'd probably be released around the time of my death! And considering my age that's saying something.

I don't expect them to satisfy everyone. They never will. But, seriously, what would've people told you if you started a thread on GTP and told them they'll have weather on 11 track variations, day to night transition on four and won't be able to change the rims on a stadnard car, three months ago? They would've called you an ungrateful, moronic Forza-fanboy. People would've considered to be hating on the game if you told them how it was going to be. And now that it's come true, should everyone be happy with it? Dunno, I don't really think that's to be expected.

I too, am expecting another top-notch product, and Gran Turismo 5 seems to be just that. Like I previously stated, if Polyphony Digital had all the time in the world to make Gran Turismo 5 perfect, we wouldn't be having this discussion, because all the cars would be premium, and I'd be playing the game on my new G65 which is hooked up to my holographic tv and Playstation 7.

In my oipnion, it could've been a top notch product if it wasn't for all the flaws. No game is without flaw, that's for sure. And GT isn't either. But it seems to come with just that much more flaws (compared to what's the stadnard in the industry and what was expected at the time of its release) than its predecessors that I'll be hard pressed to think as highly of GT5 as I did of previous GT games.

Well, here is the list of Suzuki premium lineup

P Suzuki Cappuccino (EA21R) RM '95
P Suzuki CERVO SR '07
P Suzuki SWIFT Sport '05
P Suzuki SWIFT Sport '07
P Suzuki SX4 WRC '08

I see two Swifts from different years and according to you that is a bad thing ... hmm...ok

Did you ever take a look at an '05 and an '07 Swift? I'm fairly positive you couldn't tell them apart if someone was to post pictures for comparison. Or at least, you wouldn't be able to tell whoch one was the '05 and which one was the '07. If you consider that a good thing, well, that's fine. But having the '05 clogg up a standard slot when the '07 is barely any different, that's something I highly consider to be a bad thing.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

Why go with 1031 cars, then. That's what baffles me. Why would someone, who's considered a perfectionist, drop the overall quality below what's considered the standard in the industry for most of the content available?
I understand that hitting a four digit number with the cars available will generate massive sales, but it's not a sign of qualitity, to me. And you brought up the exact point that bothers me: Getting 1000+ cars shouldn't have been the priority, not if it could only be achieved by adding second-rate content. In my opnion, at least. That's not what I expected from GT, really.


And you think he's content with 800 cars having nothing?


Well, that's a good thing, then. I kinda misunderstood you there.


The point is, if you look at real life racing, it's mostly heavily modified cars that are actually being raced. How many racing series do you know where stock looking Ferraris are being raced? And how many are there with those highly modified machines, like they are used in Time Attack?
Racing and car modification go hand in hand, and after realising that it's going to be part of GT5 (thanks to the picture with the R8 au GTAuto, which was posted weeks ago), it's a pretty big letdown to find that it's most likely not going to be possible on 80% of the cars



I don't expect them to satisfy everyone. They never will. But, seriously, what would've people told you if you started a thread on GTP and told them they'll have weather on 11 track variations, day to night transition on four and won't be able to change the rims on a stadnard car, three months ago? They would've called you an ungrateful, moronic Forza-fanboy. People would've considered to be hating on the game if you told them how it was going to be. And now that it's come true, should everyone be happy with it? Dunno, I don't really think that's to be expected.



In my oipnion, it could've been a top notch product if it wasn't for all the flaws. No game is without flaw, that's for sure. And GT isn't either. But it seems to come with just that much more flaws (compared to what's the stadnard in the industry and what was expected at the time of its release) than its predecessors that I'll be hard pressed to think as highly of GT5 as I did of previous GT games.


Did you ever take a look at an '05 and an '07 Swift? I'm fairly positive you couldn't tell them apart if someone was to post pictures for comparison. Or at least, you wouldn't be able to tell whoch one was the '05 and which one was the '07. If you consider that a good thing, well, that's fine. But having the '05 clogg up a standard slot when the '07 is barely any different, that's something I highly consider to be a bad thing.

Oh yeah. What were we thinking? Offcourse cars like a Suzuki Swift, both of them, cars like a cappucino have a cult following, more so than a premium late 90's Supra and the Veyron..., Im very very certain money was NO incentive to what got made premium. .

 

[Revelation1115]

Basically, Standard cars suck because customization is limited; meanwhile Premiums are good because you can do whatever you want with it.

 

[gtracedriver]

What is with you people and assuming that everyone who complains about GT must automatically be a Forza fanboy?

We complain not because we want to bash the game, but because we care about it and want to make PD realise the mistakes it has made so that those mistakes won't be repeated and we can all enjoy an improved game. I play both Forza and GT since I have both consoles. I like both games a lot and have complained about what I disagree on both of them so that, hopefully, some refinements will come down the line.

We can't just excuse everything and only give positive criticism, because that way, PD will most likely think "People enjoy this! We'll keep doing more of the same!" instead of addressing the issues.

Negative criticism (as long as it's not destructive) is also very important.

Not really. There is a option not to buy GT5. There are many racing games people can decide which they like the most. Most people and the same one are bitching about it for more than 100 days I guess. Standard and premium is know long time back. But still they are moaning about it.

This is a troll thread

 

[Luminis]

Not really. There is a option not to buy GT5. There are many racing games people can decide which they like the most. Most people and the same one are bitching about it for more than 100 days I guess. Standard and premium is know long time back. But still they are moaning about it.

What, did you expect the complaining to become less with more disappointing ingo about the standards released?

This is a troll thread

And you've become a part of it.

 

[GT_WISP]

I'm withholding judgment until I actually play the game. At this point, there's too much speculation/lack of solid evidence to form an opinion.

 

[TK42OnE]

I was confused and pissed off when I first heard about standard v premium cars too... Especially when it was revealed that standards would not have a cockpit view.

I'm sure if someone were bored enough they could find my posts in this very thread where I am indignant and perplexed by that decision.

However, I've now come to terms with the fact that the game is what it is. I don't know if I thought I could change things before or not but now, with the release date very close, I know I can't.

So, I think I'd say to those people raging about standards vs premiums... That you have two options; don't play the game, or, get used to it.

Things aren't changing now so you're just wasting your time raging at the moon.

Myself, I've gotten used to it. Not every car I wanted is a premium, and I'm still confused by the cockpit situation, but at this point all that is secondary to my anticipation for what is shaping up to be a very special game.

 

[Slurm]

Not really. There is a option not to buy GT5. There are many racing games people can decide which they like the most. Most people and the same one are bitching about it for more than 100 days I guess. Standard and premium is know long time back. But still they are moaning about it.

This is a troll thread

I completely disagree. Most of the posters in this thread aren't trolling, they're just expressing frustration at the news emerging.
A few months ago, I bought a PS3 when a good opportunity came, because of what GT5 was said to be. I will still buy GT5, but I have every right to criticise what I see to be gaping flaws, and especially the misleading promotion which conveniently fails to mention what's wrong with the game. In fact, we still don't know exactly what features are only 20% 10% or possibly even 1%!!(race mods) implemented.

Kaz said to "expect perfection". He said the epic scale was so off the hook, that he could hardly manage it. But this is not the case! 1000 cars is the only thing epic about the scale, and it's 80% unfinished by the rest of the game's standard.

"Standard" cars were said to be the same as premiums in all but the uber details. I was okay with that, but now the list of what standard cars don't do is growing, (none of it actually disclosed by PD or Sony, but by leaks), and all we know is that all the standard car surprises are bad ones. With so many fantastic cars appearing as standards, I honestly would've waited until GT6 before buying a PS3 if I had known the truth behind the numbers, so yes I am allowed to be critical.

 

[Goudvis]

Did you ever take a look at an '05 and an '07 Swift? I'm fairly positive you couldn't tell them apart if someone was to post pictures for comparison. Or at least, you wouldn't be able to tell whoch one was the '05 and which one was the '07. If you consider that a good thing, well, that's fine. But having the '05 clogg up a standard slot when the '07 is barely any different, that's something I highly consider to be a bad thing.

You shouldn't look at it as swift 05 clogging up a premium slot. It's more because they're almost the same, they didn't have to make many adjustments to model them.
Not having the Swift 05 as premium would not mean an other car would be premium.

 

[Akira AC]

Well this is some words from a GT fan who really was expecting something better that what we got, I will tell you I was arriving from work,and I saw an update in my laptop saying that GT official website was updated,than I saw the car list,not that shocking but the fact that most of the iconic cars from several manufactures were either excluded or turn into standards.

My biggest complain is in the that shape of the track list,you see I was expecting to see an standard vs track list with GT4 updated tracks as standards,then surprise most of the circuits in GT4 were replaced with nothing,and the tracks with day night changes can be count with one hand,and for the weather you only need to hands to count them,I wasn't sceptical at the beginning because we saw weather in eiger then I thought:"well PGR4 had like 9 scenarios with day night and all sort of weather conditions"(note that I used to bashed that game in the beginning of this thread),and then GT5 track list comes and joys of joys you can only race with weather and day/night in nurburgring and le mans,so why they didn't apply same treatment to all tracks,why there is not RB F1 car,why standards cant have both cockpits and well change and proper damage.

Mayor selling points from GT5 were features in past games,this features apply almost to all content and not just a bunch of tracks,that is the mayor deception and the fact that they advertised the whole thing as an insane amount of good quality content with an amount of features that the regular user will think that is applicable to all tracks makes it more annoying.

I'm will be getting the thing in the first days of December(thanks to amazon.jp) but I will have this thought that the game could be a lot more that what is now,something that equality happened with the transition between FM2 and FM3,FM2 bring all potential to me a fair competitor and they just increased a bit the amount of content and added just an extra feature,maybe is just me but all good games seems to get stuck in PS2 and the latest games just became marketing stuff.

 

[warp9engage]

Not really. There is a option not to buy GT5.

You don't buy a game only if the negative features heavily outweigh the positives.

Not buying a game just because you disagree with one or two features as a form of showing your disapproval is wrong, because then, what you're telling the developers is that you think the whole game is bad and that they might as well through it all in the trash and start over again.

GT5 might have some flaws which are a problem to me but it also has things I'm looking forward to. Therefore I'm going to buy it, thus giving PD an incentive for what they've done right, but I'll also complain for what they've done wrong so that they may understand that their product while good, still has quite some room to be made excellent.

Most people and the same one are bitching about it for more than 100 days I guess. Standard and premium is know long time back. But still they are moaning about it.

"Moaning" for long periods of time is, sometimes, the most effective way of getting things done. See the reverse lights and damage for instance. People "moaned" about them for a long time and guess what... they're finally here.

This is a troll thread

We can't say anything negative (even if nicely and giving praise to other things in the game) about GT in these forums, can we?

 

[Ubiquitous]

I don't mind minor variations in models, I like it. I think it adds depth, but PD do get the balance wrong (and pick the wrong variations).

I believe that having the RWD Skylines (R32 GTS-t etc.) alongside the GT-R's would be beneficial to the game. Unfortunately I think the R33 GTS-t is going to be missing out, as well as the R34 GTT.

There are many models of car that have similar variations which are certainly important and deserve inclusion (especially as premium cars).

The problem with this is that it's much harder to justify when you are missing some absolutely essential cars from the list completely. The Escort Cosworth and Sierra Cosworth both wholeheartedly deserve inclusion in a game like this and they are just two of a potential list of 100+ 'important' cars that are missing.

GT always used to be about everyday cars, that's why it was such a big hit. You could drive and modify a wide variety of daily drivers, sporty models and all out performance cars. The only game out now which has the same feel as the original GT is Forza 3, but even that misses out so much.

Now we face the problem of not only missing out 100+ massively important cars, but 800 of the cars we do have aren't up to the standard we all wish they were.

 

[gtracedriver]

I completely disagree. Most of the posters in this thread aren't trolling, they're just expressing frustration at the news emerging.
A few months ago, I bought a PS3 when a good opportunity came, because of what GT5 was said to be. I will still buy GT5, but I have every right to criticise what I see to be gaping flaws, and especially the misleading promotion which conveniently fails to mention what's wrong with the game. In fact, we still don't know exactly what features are only 20% 10% or possibly even 1%!!(race mods) implemented.

Kaz said to "expect perfection". He said the epic scale was so off the hook, that he could hardly manage it. But this is not the case! 1000 cars is the only thing epic about the scale, and it's 80% unfinished by the rest of the game's standard.

"Standard" cars were said to be the same as premiums in all but the uber details. I was okay with that, but now the list of what standard cars don't do is growing, (none of it actually disclosed by PD or Sony, but by leaks), and all we know is that all the standard car surprises are bad ones. With so many fantastic cars appearing thas standards, I honestly would've waited until GT6 before buying a PS3 if I had known the truth behind the numbers, so yes I am allowed to be critical.

You simply need not buy the game at all your problem is solved. No one asked anyone to wait for years for this game, they did what they did and are not forcing anyone. There are many racing games released every year every few months in fact. Everyone can make a decision. This thread is going on for more than 100 days. Instead they should just make one ultimate moaning and bitching thread 💡

You don't buy a game only if the negative features heavily outweigh the positives.

Not buying a game just because you disagree with one or two features as a form of showing your disapproval is wrong, because then, what you're telling the developers is that you think the whole game is bad and that they might as well through it all in the trash and start over again.

GT5 might have some flaws which are a problem to me but it also has things I'm looking forward to. Therefore I'm going to buy it, thus giving PD an incentive for what they've done right, but I'll also complain for what they've done wrong so that they may understand that their product while good, still has quite some room to be made excellent.



"Moaning" for long periods of time is, sometimes, the most effective way of getting things done. See the reverse lights and damage for instance. People "moaned" about them for a long time and guess what... they're finally here.



We can't say anything negative (even if nicely and giving praise to other things in the game) about GT in these forums, can we?

It was their idea about standard and premiums. I am sure most people do not like this. Now they have some 200+ premiums and remaining standard. Nothing is going to change now.