Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[GT5Canuck]

A series like GT is about evolution, you won't even have to wait for GT6 for the next development, DLC and patches will expand and improve GT5 up until GT6's release.

I'm a newcomer to the PS3 world...how many patches/DLC were made available for GT5?

The biggest critics appear obsessed with car and track numbers and don't value features which actually improve realism.

I agree...at least to the extent that 95% of what I see here are complaints about "window dressing", things that have little to no effect on the physics of the game.

Then again they can't very well complain about the physics, not having played the game yet. A few weeks after release, I wonder if the complaints will shift to the unrealistic physics of GT5, or just be attached to louder whinges about how poor it looks?

 

[Luminis]

You shouldn't look at it as swift 05 clogging up a premium slot. It's more because they're almost the same, they didn't have to make many adjustments to model them.
Not having the Swift 05 as premium would not mean an other car would be premium.

Well, maybe you're right. The same reason we've got 51 Skylines. an easy way to get the numbers up.
It's still disappointing to see padded premium cars.

 

[TK42OnE]

Well, maybe you're right. The same reason we've got 51 Skylines. an easy way to get the numbers up.
It's still disappointing to see padded premium cars.

How many premium Skylines are there?

 

[Luminis]

How many premium Skylines are there?

One of every of the more recent generations (R32, R33, R34, V35). Plus five variations of the GT-R.

# P Nissan GT-R ‘07
# P Nissan GT-R Black Mask ‘07
# P Nissan GT-R Proto ‘05
# P/S Nissan GT-R SpecV ‘09
# P Nissan GT-R SpecV (GT Academy Version) ‘09

 

[Slurm]

You simply need not buy the game at all your problem is solved. No one asked anyone to wait for years for this game, they did what they did and are not forcing anyone. There are many racing games released every year every few months in fact. Everyone can make a decision. This thread is going on for more than 100 days. Instead they should just make one ultimate moaning and bitching thread 💡

If a friend of yours does something you disagree with, do you simply choose to stop being their friend? You've been friends for over 10 years but now they did something that really bothers you: Simple! Just never see them again. Or... you call them on it and let them know how you feel. They might realise that they've done something wrong. They grow up, you stay friends, everybody wins.

In much the same way, feedback and interaction with consumers helps things evolve. I'm a long term fan of the series and if it takes a turn for the worse, I would rather pipe up and let them know, in my own little way, than simply walk out on it.

In any case, I bought a PS3 already. I snapped one up when I saw a good deal and had the cash. In my situation it's too late to spend that PS3 money on other things. I would be silly not to buy the game, as I'll still get value from it, and I've got a PS3 on my shelf which I bought to run it. It's not bitching and moaning to say "this is not what you made it out to be".

 

[gaming25]

Well, maybe you're right. The same reason we've got 51 Skylines. an easy way to get the numbers up.
It's still disappointing to see padded premium cars.

You already know why we have a lot of skylines in this game, dont play dumb. It wasnt to "get the numbers up". Standard cars are cars from past GT games.

And what does "padded" mean?

 

[Luminis]

You already know why we have a lot of skylines in this game, dont play dumb. It wasnt to "get the numbers up". Standard cars are cars from past GT games.

And those standard cars are in there for what reason?

And what does "padded" mean?

Adding cars with no/minor differences to increase the number of cars with as little effort as possible.

Having the same cars for both Vauxhall and Opel would be a prime example.

 

[Rossticles]

One of every of the more recent generations (R32, R33, R34, V35). Plus five variations of the GT-R.

# P Nissan GT-R ‘07
# P Nissan GT-R Black Mask ‘07
# P Nissan GT-R Proto ‘05
# P/S Nissan GT-R SpecV ‘09
# P Nissan GT-R SpecV (GT Academy Version) ‘09

Dumb. The Black Mask GT-R is so ugly. Why does it need to be premium!?

Is the GT-R Prototype the only premium prototype? Dumb.

 

[evilfoxhound]

One of every of the more recent generations (R32, R33, R34, V35). Plus five variations of the GT-R.

# P Nissan GT-R ‘07
# P Nissan GT-R Black Mask ‘07
# P Nissan GT-R Proto ‘05
# P/S Nissan GT-R SpecV ‘09
# P Nissan GT-R SpecV (GT Academy Version) ‘09

Oh no! We've been given more choice!

Call the police! O.o

 

[kyleh613]

I wish people would stop jerking off to the Veyron. It is an impressive car but not a big loss that it isn't premium. The only reason why anyone even knows it exists is because of Top Gear, otherwise none of you would care. That is hardly a good reason to give it the premium car treatment. It wasn't even that popular of a car in Forza 3.

 

[gaming25]

And those standard cars are in there for what reason?

Adding cars with no/minor differences to increase the number of cars with as little effort as possible.

Having the same cars for both Vauxhall and Opel would be a prime example.

They are there because they were in past GT games. We've already been through that. And none of the cars are "padded" for premuimm. You can only make a case for only a very small amount, but thats it. And think about Forza 3. That game has plenty more "padded" premiums as you would put it.

 

[Slurm]

Dumb. The Black Mask GT-R is so ugly. Why does it need to be premium!?

Is the GT-R Prototype the only premium prototype? Dumb.

Would you have them remodel the GT-R in standard form just to prevent them from adding to their number of premium cars? I know it makes the grand total a bit deceiving but the alternative is to have less of everything. I agree with evilfoxhound - the choice is welcome, even if the differences are small. Remember - duplicating cars to add variants doesn't push premium Veyrons out of the game.

 

[Luminis]

Oh no! We've been given more choice!

Call the police! O.o

Wow, what a choice! We get more GT-Rs with minor differences! Okay, granted, they were probably easier and less time comsuming to make, due to being similar, but still. That doesn't really add to the diversity of the car list.

They are there because they were in past GT games. We've already been through that. And none of the cars are "padded" for premuimm. You can only make a case for only a very small amount, but thats it. And think about Forza 3. That game has plenty more "padded" premiums as you would put it.

They're ported over, old assets thrown into a new game. That's exactly what I consider adding cars for the sake of numbers. Throwing second rate stuff into it for bragging rights.

And look at the premiums. There are quite a few cars that are very, very similar to each other. The GT-Rs, for example. The new Mini. The Swift.

And yes, Forza does padding, too. In terms of percentage, I do think GT does it more often, though.

 

[stig's helmet]

I wish people would stop jerking off to the Veyron. It is an impressive car but not a big loss that it isn't premium. The only reason why anyone even knows it exists is because of Top Gear, otherwise none of you would care. That is hardly a good reason to give it the premium car treatment. It wasn't even that popular of a car in Forza 3.

You come on a site full of car enthusiasts and say the only reason we know about the veyron is because it was on top gear...yeah right. Ok

 

[WolfRacer543]

They are there because they were in past GT games. We've already been through that. And none of the cars are "padded" for premuimm. You can only make a case for only a very small amount, but thats it. And think about Forza 3. That game has plenty more "padded" premiums as you would put it.

Out of 220 premiums, there's 15 "RM" cars... sounds like padding to me, 5 Impalas, 4 Camries, 2 Ford Fusions, 2 Swifts, 2 908s, 2 SuperGT GT-Rs, 2 '09 GTR SpecV's, 2 '07 GT-Rs. That was just quickly flipping through the list, there's probably more padding in the list that I missed, but that's 28 cars worth of padding right there.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

And those standard cars are in there for what reason?

Adding cars with no/minor differences to increase the number of cars with as little effort as possible.

Having the same cars for both Vauxhall and Opel would be a prime example.

The opel and vauxhall thing is ANNOYING..

 

[gaming25]

Wow, what a choice! We get more GT-Rs with minor differences! Okay, granted, they were probably easier and less time comsuming to make, due to being similar, but still. That doesn't really add to the diversity of the car list.


They're ported over, old assets thrown into a new game. That's exactly what I consider adding cars for the sake of numbers. Throwing second rate stuff into it for bragging rights.

And look at the premiums. There are quite a few cars that are very, very similar to each other. The GT-Rs, for example. The new Mini. The Swift.

And yes, Forza does padding, too. In terms of percentage, I do think GT does it more often, though.

That isnt "quite a few". Youre being delusional. And the standards there to give the game more depth and content. Which many people (unlike you) appreciate. There is nothing "second rate" about this game. The standard cars arent crap, stop acting like they are.

 

[Luminis]

That isnt "quite a few". Youre being delusional. And the standards there to give the game more depth and content. Which many people (unlike you) appreciate. There is nothing "second rate" about this game. The standard cars arent crap, stop acting like they are.

They're not second rate? What would they be, then? Up to par with what's the current standard of the industry? With all the features they're lacking and models from a half a decade ago? Yeah, right.

As far as the premiums go, just read WolfRacer543's post. 28, that's more than 10%. I'd call that quite a few.

 

[Robin]

The opel and vauxhall thing is ANNOYING..

That is another example of padding if I ever saw one! GT4 did much the same thing because it was trying to do car number 1up-ship even back then.

I still can't see why nearly every gen of Skyline gets premium treatment but we don't get one premium in many manufacturers which have all standard cars. They should have had at least had one premium car for each manufacturer in my opinion.

Robin.

 

[gaming25]

Out of 220 premiums, there's 15 "RM" cars... sounds like padding to me, 5 Impalas, 4 Camries, 2 Ford Fusions, 2 Swifts, 2 908s, 2 SuperGT GT-Rs, 2 '09 GTR SpecV's, 2 '07 GT-Rs. That was just quickly flipping through the list, there's probably more padding in the list that I missed, but that's 28 cars worth of padding right there.

What do you mean by "RM"? Besides, most of the cars you named are different from each other. Please understand that the same name does not mean the same car. Saying "4 camries" and "2 swifts" doesnt tell the story of how different they are from one another.

 

[gaming25]

They're not second rate? What would they be, then? Up to par with what's the current standard of the industry? With all the features they're lacking and models from a half a decade ago? Yeah, right.

As far as the premiums go, just read WolfRacer543's post. 28, that's more than 10%. I'd call that quite a few.

Their physics are up to par with this current gen, you know the main part of the DRIVING experience of the game.

Since when is 10 percent "quite a few"? Nevermind the fact that many of which he named arent "padding" at all.

 

[Strittan]

Why is the '99 Impreza Rally Car not listed as premium in the official list? Another typo?

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[WolfRacer543]

What do you mean by RM? Besides, you most of the cars you named are different from each other. Please understand that the same name does not mean the same car. Saying "4 camries" and "2 swifts" doesnt tell the story of how different they are from one another.

5 Impalas...
102.P Chevrolet 2010 Dale Earnhardt Jr. #88 AMP Energy/National Guard CHEVROLET IMPALA ‘10
103.P Chevrolet 2010 Jeff Gordon #24 DuPont CHEVROLET IMPALA ‘10
104.P Chevrolet 2010 Jimmie Johnson #48 Lowe’s CHEVROLET IMPALA ‘10
105.P Chevrolet 2010 Juan Montoya #42 Target CHEVROLET IMPALA ‘10
106.P Chevrolet 2010 Tony Stewart #14 Office Depot/Old Spice CHEVROLET IMPALA ‘10

4 Camries...
910.P Toyota 2010 Brian Vickers #83 Red Bull TOYOTA CAMRY ‘10
911.P Toyota 2010 Denny Hamlin #11 FedEx TOYOTA CAMRY ‘10
912.P Toyota 2010 Joey Logano #20 The Home Depot TOYOTA CAMRY ‘10
913.P Toyota 2010 Kyle Busch #18 M&M’S® TOYOTA CAMRY ‘10

2 SuperGT GT-Rs
772.P Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R (SUPER GT) ‘08
774.P Nissan YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R (SUPER GT) ‘08

2 GT-R SpecVs
688.P/S Nissan GT-R SpecV ‘09
689.P Nissan GT-R SpecV (GT Academy Version) ‘09

"RM" models (I assume they are simply tuned versions of stock cars, thus "padding", could be wrong)...
7.P/S Acura NSX ‘91
8.P Acura NSX RM ‘91
111.P Chevrolet Camaro SS ‘10
112.P Chevrolet Camaro SS RM ‘10
126.P Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) ‘06
127.P Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) RM ‘06
129.P/S Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) ‘09
130.P Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) RM ‘09
166.P Dodge Challenger R/T ‘70
167.P Dodge Challenger R/T RM ‘70
etc etc...

So there's "NASCAR Impala" counted 5 times in the "220 premiums", hence 4 cars worth of padding. I haven't gone through them all because I'm lazy, you can see them yourself by looking at the car list and look at cars that are clearly duplicates or aren't "unique". I'm sure there's more than 28 cars worth of padding in the list, that was just from a quick glance. I dont know much about Skylines or Japanese cars in general so I dont know which would be considered padding except the blatantly obvious ones I mentioned above.

 

[STJ88]

That is another example of padding if I ever saw one! GT4 did much the same thing because it was trying to do car number 1up-ship even back then.

I still can't see why nearly every gen of Skyline gets premium treatment but we don't get one premium in many manufacturers which have all standard cars. They should have had at least had one premium car for each manufacturer in my opinion.

Robin.

Please go check you facts, every generation of skyline premium? Don't make me laugh, only about 1/4th of the skyline is premium!(not one oldscool skyline is premium )

And i'm sorry for you if you thought Kaz would choose a bunch of opel's, ford's or wathever above the most legendary car ever from Japan.

 

[gaming25]

5 Impalas...
102.P Chevrolet 2010 Dale Earnhardt Jr. #88 AMP Energy/National Guard CHEVROLET IMPALA ‘10
103.P Chevrolet 2010 Jeff Gordon #24 DuPont CHEVROLET IMPALA ‘10
104.P Chevrolet 2010 Jimmie Johnson #48 Lowe’s CHEVROLET IMPALA ‘10
105.P Chevrolet 2010 Juan Montoya #42 Target CHEVROLET IMPALA ‘10
106.P Chevrolet 2010 Tony Stewart #14 Office Depot/Old Spice CHEVROLET IMPALA ‘10

4 Camries...
910.P Toyota 2010 Brian Vickers #83 Red Bull TOYOTA CAMRY ‘10
911.P Toyota 2010 Denny Hamlin #11 FedEx TOYOTA CAMRY ‘10
912.P Toyota 2010 Joey Logano #20 The Home Depot TOYOTA CAMRY ‘10
913.P Toyota 2010 Kyle Busch #18 M&M’S® TOYOTA CAMRY ‘10

2 SuperGT GT-Rs
772.P Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R (SUPER GT) ‘08
774.P Nissan YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R (SUPER GT) ‘08

2 GT-R SpecVs
688.P/S Nissan GT-R SpecV ‘09
689.P Nissan GT-R SpecV (GT Academy Version) ‘09

"RM" models (I assume they are simply tuned versions of stock cars, thus "padding", could be wrong)...
7.P/S Acura NSX ‘91
8.P Acura NSX RM ‘91
111.P Chevrolet Camaro SS ‘10
112.P Chevrolet Camaro SS RM ‘10
126.P Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) ‘06
127.P Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) RM ‘06
129.P/S Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) ‘09
130.P Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) RM ‘09
166.P Dodge Challenger R/T ‘70
167.P Dodge Challenger R/T RM ‘70
etc etc...

So there's "NASCAR Impala" counted 5 times in the "220 premiums", hence 4 cars worth of padding. I haven't gone through them all because I'm lazy, you can see them yourself by looking at the car list and look at cars that are clearly duplicates or aren't "unique". I'm sure there's more than 28 cars worth of padding in the list, that was just from a quick glance.

Look at what youre complaining about, you are complaining about the NASCAR cars that add more depth with its racing style instead of having a couple of more premium cars that no one cares about. And the rest of your list proves my point, they differentiate with different specs, and different performance. They are NOT "padded" cars.

And lol at saying "quick glance". It doesnt take much to look at a list thats in alphabetical order.

 

[ktr]

Just want to put my 2 cents on the "standard" vs. "premium" topic

GT5 = GT4 HD + GT6.

It is very much GT4 with shiny graphics, which was to be expected since its announcement long ago. When the PS3 came out, it was assumed that a GT4 HD will be coming within a year or so, around late 2007. It was called GT:HD. GT:HD got canned, because of a huge uproar against its pay-to-car/track business model and Polyphony Digital started on GT5, a HD version of proper GT4. However, GT5 did not release is 2007. Three years of additional development game us many features that haven't been seen together in a game, alias GT6, the future of GT.

I know this is disappointing info, but hey, don't be shocked, this is old news.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

What do you mean by "RM"? Besides, most of the cars you named are different from each other. Please understand that the same name does not mean the same car. Saying "4 camries" and "2 swifts" doesnt tell the story of how different they are from one another.

As far as I know, the suzuki swift did not change between 05 and 07. There was an old S-Concept. Thats in GT4..

 

[Robin]

Please go check you facts, every generation of skyline premium? Don't make me laugh, only about 1/4th of the skyline is premium!(not one oldscool skyline is premium )

And i'm sorry for you if you thought Kaz would choose a bunch of opel's, ford's or wathever above the most legendary car ever from Japan.

How about you check your facts, I said NEARLY in my post. I don't see how anyone needs that many Skylines in a game and clearly all other racing game developers on earth gets that fact! It just takes time from doing a range of other cars premium.

Robin.

 

[Rossticles]

(not one oldscool skyline is premium )

P Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec (R33) ‘97
P Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec II (R32) ‘94

Huh?

 

[WolfRacer543]

Look at what youre complaining about, you are complaining about the NASCAR cars that add more depth with its racing style instead of having a couple of more premium cars that no one cares about. And the rest of your list proves my point, they differentiate with different specs, and different performance.

My goodness, where did I complain about something, I simply posted a list of cars that a clearly numbers padding. Who the hell counts 5 Impalas with different paintjobs 5 unique cars, therefore, they are "padding", if you want to call cars with unique paint jobs and tuned versions of street cars (which we can hopefully tune ourselves anyway) you might as well say Forza has an infinite car list.

Granted I have expressed disappointment in this thread, that was about 20 pages ago... my last post in no way was complaining, I simply presented numbers on how the car list was padded.

The rest of my list proves your point? How? They're the same cars with different paintjobs and maybe different stats typed in to their performance specs, they're not unique cars, hence, padding.

EDIT: Since you edited again after I responded...

And lol at saying "quick glance". It doesnt take much to look at a list thats in alphabetical order.

And that has relevance how? I love the way people just tag on a little insult at the end as if they've somehow won an argument and are trying to act superior. All I meant by "quick glance" was that I simply looked for cars that had identical names and so were clearly the same car because they have the same name and year, someone with more time might feel like looking through each car and determining if some others are also duplicates more subtly.

Of course it doesn't take much to look at a list that's in alphabetical order, hence why I called it a "quick glance" instead of saying "it was an in depth study of the car list", geeze.