Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[shirakawaa]

To bad they didn't make something simple like this for the standards.

What's funny is that PD tried this, and the result was GTPSP "black" cockpits, which would have been fine in my opinion, at least better than nothing.
But it appears that Yamauchi wasn't happy with them, so they were removed in GT5.

 

[arvin charles]

So, who's going to rock this look?

Hahahaha! That's pathetic!

 

[Rodpunisher]

They don't look as bad as I thought, but on par with the Forza pictures you added? How much bias does it take to say that?
Okay, due to the low res, it looks less edgy and all, but one look at the headlights and you'll see what I'm talking about...

Well... No bias here. BTW, I do own a Xbox 360 and both Forza 2 and 3.. if you want to add me my gamertag is Rod Punisher.

As a Forza player you should know that the models in the photomode have a much higher polycount than in gameplay.. so these pics makes the Civic looks better than the real gameplay model.

 

[nello-C1]

Guys the fact of the matter is we are getting a GT visionish/GT5 *limited features listed in the fine print* But on a more serious note anyone who still has gt4 shoud bust it out in these few days prior to launch and maybe they will appreciate the 'standards' more

 

[CeeJay]

In a way we can kind of gauge PD's thoughts on the Standard cars in the game. Not letting us use them in Photo travel mode & limiting the zoom feature in photo replay mode. Seems they're rather embarrassed of them. It's just too bad. I think they shouldn't have limited people by trying to hide the faults of the Standard cars. It just makes things seem worse than they are and it leads people to conclude that these cars were put in for the sake of padding and stuff like that.

They could have been more forward about the two tier system & been up front about it. Instead letting the news quietly leak out, this slow drip news of more and more features that are not possible with standards and it's hard not to feel a bit let down with the whole thing. When I first heard about the two tier system I assumed it was just a graphical difference but now with the info we have it's MUCH more than that.

It's gonna be an awesome game no doubt but the way they handled this crazy premium/standard fiasco just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Greyum]

Right, let's add that to the list.

- Can't be used in Photo Travel
- Can't change their wheels
- Can't paint their wheels
- Can't be race modified (to be confirmed, but likely)
- Limited zoom in Photo Mode
- Limited body kit selection (only GT4-style wings)
- No internal camera view (cockpit view)
- No visual damage

Standards do suffer visual damage, just scuffs, scratches and minor dents. Premiums have that plus panels that can fall off.

While I'll play the game and enjoy parts of it, this standard/premium split is turning into a bit of a joke. I honestly cannot believe that Kaz thought this was a good idea.

 

[eSZee]

standard is not a good name for standards. I think the poors would be better. Premiums could be standards. Then we would have Standard & Poor's.

You're right seeing that the premiums are supposed to be the new standard for racing games. These should be sub-standards or carry over cars.

But on a more serious note anyone who still has gt4 shoud bust it out in these few days prior to launch and maybe they will appreciate the 'standards' more

I think GT1 or GT2 would be a better idea.

 

[TK42OnE]

In a way we can kind of gauge PD's thoughts on the Standard cars in the game. Not letting us use them in Photo travel mode & limiting the zoom feature in photo replay mode. Seems they're rather embarrassed of them. It's just too bad. I think they shouldn't have limited people by trying to hide the faults of the Standard cars. It just makes things seem worse than they are and it leads people to conclude that these cars were put in for the sake of padding and stuff like that.

They could have been more forward about the two tier system & been up front about it. Instead letting the news quietly leak out, this slow drip news of more and more features that are not possible with standards and it's hard not to feel a bit let down with the whole thing. When I first heard about the two tier system I assumed it was just a graphical difference but now with the info we have it's MUCH more than that.




It's gonna be an awesome game no doubt but the way they handled this crazy premium/standard fiasco just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I'm not as bothered by the standards v premiums anymore, and the more I watch that civic video, the more I like it, but even I have to agree that the while standard v premium situation was handled poorly.

I'm more than excited about the game though!

 

[VXR]

GT4 couldn't show its photomode models in game and I believe GT5's cars have an in-game LoD? It happens.

 

[gtracedriver]

In a way we can kind of gauge PD's thoughts on the Standard cars in the game. Not letting us use them in Photo travel mode & limiting the zoom feature in photo replay mode. Seems they're rather embarrassed of them. It's just too bad. I think they shouldn't have limited people by trying to hide the faults of the Standard cars. It just makes things seem worse than they are and it leads people to conclude that these cars were put in for the sake of padding and stuff like that.

They could have been more forward about the two tier system & been up front about it. Instead letting the news quietly leak out, this slow drip news of more and more features that are not possible with standards and it's hard not to feel a bit let down with the whole thing. When I first heard about the two tier system I assumed it was just a graphical difference but now with the info we have it's MUCH more than that.

It's gonna be an awesome game no doubt but the way they handled this crazy premium/standard fiasco just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Standard cars are for people to play. Premiums are to play as well as admire. I do not see anything wrong. Rather than releasing 2 games they just decide to add everything in one game.

Right, let's add that to the list.

- Can't be used in Photo Travel
- Can't change their wheels
- Can't paint their wheels
- Can't be race modified (to be confirmed, but likely)
- Limited zoom in Photo Mode
- Limited body kit selection (only GT4-style wings)
- No internal camera view (cockpit view)
- No visual damage

Not sure it make sense to create a list from leaked video rather than getting info from official site or even gaming site. It is like people believing in youtube and wikipedia more than anything else

 

[TK42OnE]

Not sure it make sense to create a list from leaked video rather than getting info from official site or even gaming site. It is like people believing in youtube and wikipedia more than anything else

Yeah but that would mean rational and reasonable deliberation and patience. These people are upset and they need you to acknowledge it right now!!

 

[JDMKING13]

Not sure it make sense to create a list from leaked video rather than getting info from official site or even gaming site. It is like people believing in youtube and wikipedia more than anything else

Just let him make up his list he's been dying to make it I bet

 

[eSZee]

Not sure it make sense to create a list from leaked video rather than getting info from official site or even gaming site. It is like people believing in youtube and wikipedia more than anything else

Usually I'd agree about not basing your opinions on 2nd hand info and such but most, if not all his points were proven on video. Did he somehow hack his PS3 to disable things on purpose?

 

[AlexGTV]

because PD can't model them all in premium quality in 5 years.

I find it hard PD couldn't pull it off with the backing of Sony. I'm pretty sure they didn't want to. They kept it reserve for DLC and/or GT6. They are being westernized, sadly.

 

[nello-C1]

No doubt i will be getting the game but i believe had kaz been more transparent about the standards people would have accepted it by now.

 

[VXR]

And then compare?

There really is no debate. It's art versus child's play in terms of gulf in class.

 

[JDMKING13]

GT5 standards look way better than GT4.

 

[VXR]

Well only because of a new lighting engine. Not because the models are significantly better across the board.

GT has never compromised on graphics before, which is why I can't abide the fanboy nature over standards from a crowd who poured scorn on every racing game going back in the day for not looking a patch on the current GT game.

 

[Devedander]

Guys the fact of the matter is we are getting a GT visionish/GT5 *limited features listed in the fine print* But on a more serious note anyone who still has gt4 shoud bust it out in these few days prior to launch and maybe they will appreciate the 'standards' more

I actually hooked up my ps2 last night and played some gt4... It was a lot of fun and felt so familiar and relaxed after so long with gt5p.

Of course even at 1080i it looked quite pixelated in many areas and the cars (even in photomode) looked pretty poor. Actually for the first half hour I felt like I had been thrown back to ps1 until I remember what ps1 really looked like.

But all it did for me was anchor how crap standards are going to be compared to premiums.

I remeber my first bouts with photomode and how incredible they looked... Now they look very aged... To the point just better lighting isn't going to cover it up.

Ironically gt4 has probably spoiled me even more as I have it installed on my hard drive so load times for races are literally 3 or 4 seconds... Gt5 load times are going to be hideous now

 

[Slurm]

A lot of them in GT4 had inaccurate specifications/wrong data, so I hope at least that the faulty cars have been corrected.

I'm really trying to remain hopeful about that one. The lack of features already makes them way, way less desirable to me, but if they've been neglected in this area too?...

 

[shirakawaa]

GT5 standards look way better than GT4.

Although some very nasty details appear to have been slightly improved (door and panel lines opacity toned down to make them stand out less. Resolution has remained the same, though), it isn't a really fair comparison.
Try using the Photo Travel mode in GT4, and also resizing the pictures to the size of GT5's.

 

[Venom800tt]

Hmm, while standard cars don't look too bad, the low polygon count is noticeable in some areas, such as the door handles and the mirrors. They could have benefited greatly from 3d panel lines also. Ain't even hard to add 3d panel lines to a model anyway, unless they are modeled in an extremely low polygon fashion...
I personally will use some standard cars still, even with their faults though.

 

[gtracedriver]

It looks way superior to GT4 but close-up pics does not help much.

In HD though it will be fine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO4t3zYFRZE&hd=1

 

[jtenma]

Well only because of a new lighting engine. Not because the models are significantly better across the board.

GT has never compromised on graphics before, which is why I can't abide the fanboy nature over standards from a crowd who poured scorn on every racing game going back in the day for not looking a patch on the current GT game.

Wrong. Textures and polys are obviously more than a step up than GT4. I mean, just look at the lights on the front.

 

[c172fccc]

Gt4

Gt5

The biggest difference are the wheels.But the rest look too similar.



Sorry for my bad english,



This is my first post on Gtplanet!!!

 

[Devedander]

GT5 standards look way better than GT4.

Really JDM? You're goonna do that?

If it was anyone else I might right it off as an accident, but there is no way YOU didn't know you just took the ugly shots from GT4 and didn't use photo mode...

Here's the real comparison (tried to set them up close to the same angles - I lost my savegame so no longer has the race model)

Now if you account for the fact that the GT4 one is kitted slightlydifferently and doesn't have all the stickers to detrack from it's low poly-ness, they are painfully close actually... and the scary thing is in some ways the GT4 one actually looks BETTER (see the hatch handle cutout and the drives side mirror).

 

[PickleAhoy]

If it was anyone else I might right it off as an accident, but there is no way YOU didn't know you just took the ugly shots from GT4 and didn't use photo mode...

I took em. I saved the replay and went into photomode or so I thought. If there's a difference between that and "travel" mode then I had no idea.

 

[TT3AZ]

Well, the standard cars definalty look worse that the cars in forza 3, the lever of detail is higher in forza 3 =)

 

[Devedander]

I took em. I saved the replay and went into photomode or so I thought. If there's a difference between that and "travel" mode then I had no idea.

Then I will write it off as an accident... although I still hold JDM knows the difference...

 

[The_Paladin]

GT5 standards look way better than GT4.

Too bad that your comparation sucks and is not the same car, the race version have other textures. Standard cars are EXACTLY the same 3D model with the same textures, all of that rendered in better resolution with better shaders, thats all.