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Duh I don't care what makes the car looks good all I was saying was it looks good even better than the one dev posted.
Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"
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Duh I don't care what makes the car looks good all I was saying was it looks good even better than the one dev posted.
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I'm sure most of you were amazed at the level of detail of GT4's models when it came out. They were probably the best of its time. And I'm sure many of you were expecting to have the same reaction to GT5's graphics, and now you're upset because the standards are only as good as GT4 was.
Guess what: Being dumbstruck by the graphical quality of the game is not a right. It's not something you can complain about because it happened in GT4. They kept the same models so that we could still have all the cars of GT4 instead of losing them all like we did in GT3. They didn't throw them in thinking we wouldn't notice the difference between standard and premium. You think they're crap now but in GT4 they were amazing. What changed?
The competition. All the other games have great graphics, detailed cars, and are frankly astounding. "Why doesn't GT5 have that much detail?" you ask. Because, they made the decision to keep GT4 models rather than devote all their time to modeling new premium cars. Personally, I'm extremely glad they did. I got bored of GT3 quickly once I realized all my favorites from GT2 were gone. If they threw in the GT2 models into GT3 would you complain?
Sorry for the rant, but PD had to make a decision, and though it seems like it hurts everyone, it certainly pleases me.
Count me as one happy customer, amongst all the bitter complainers who wouldn't be happy no matter what PD did.
Guess what: Being dumbstruck by the graphical quality of the game is not a right. It's not something you can complain about because it happened in GT4. They kept the same models so that we could still have all the cars of GT4 instead of losing them all like we did in GT3. They didn't throw them in thinking we wouldn't notice the difference between standard and premium. You think they're crap now but in GT4 they were amazing. What changed?
The competition. All the other games have great graphics, detailed cars, and are frankly astounding. "Why doesn't GT5 have that much detail?" you ask. Because, they made the decision to keep GT4 models rather than devote all their time to modeling new premium cars. Personally, I'm extremely glad they did. I got bored of GT3 quickly once I realized all my favorites from GT2 were gone. If they threw in the GT2 models into GT3 would you complain?
Sorry for the rant, but PD had to make a decision, and though it seems like it hurts everyone, it certainly pleases me.
Count me as one happy customer, amongst all the bitter complainers who wouldn't be happy no matter what PD did.
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Except according to Paladin (I don't have my save game anymore so I can't verify, but from the picture above it looks to be true) the race model was actually better modeled than the stock model... so the race model in GT4 might be even closer to the GT5 standard... you should really compare apples to apples (which I would if I had that car).
And as I said, some of the parts in GT4 astonishingly look BETTER than their GT5 counterparts...
And can I ask what "rights" we have exactly when it comes to what to expect from a game? Because excuse me if I say it how it is, but that sounds like a blanket rational to just dismiss what you don't like to hear... not an actual logical, rational reason.
Rights or not, it's not at all wrong or unreasonable to be disapointed and PD had no small roll in setting up that disapointment... for the majority of the time they didn't even talk about standards and once they did they took forever to clarify what exactly they were and even then they never really spelled it out and let it fester behind their description of "recreated for the power of PS3" or however they put it, which is an awful loose description at best.
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Here lies the real dilemma. When you've got 1000 cars in the game, do you have to remodel all of them everytime when a new GT is released?
GT6 will probably have all premium models, but what happens after that when technology advances even further? Do they have to remodel everything all over again for GT7?
I think GT5 is a victim of PD's ambition. By creating so many cars in GT4, they were never going to be able to remodel all of the cars again for GT5. I think the premium/standard solution is a good compromise.
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BUT this time they could have done them in much better quality instead of using the GT4 models or throwing them. There was this third option: hire a 3d modelling company to make them in premium quality. They could also hire more 3d artists instead of 40. Kaz had the time, had the money and for some reason he decided to make all in house without hiring more people and delaying the game for about 3 years.
Plus, why we need ALL of them, the theres lots of new cars since 2004 and theres lots great missing cars from important brands, for example 12 Ferraris and 6 Lamborghinis doesnt cover it very good.
They could have done a new selection of cars, more varied.
So im not a happy costumer, im very dissapointed and i think someone else should do the studio managment and let him be just the creative director.
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Why remodel then. Why not do what most games do and just keep the content fresh and contemporary while bringing back select popular content. A lot of shooting games do it regarding maps, they have all new maps plus a couple of old classics redone. We don't really need all 750 GT4 cars back. Its nice they are there, but the outcome could have been better.
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Because what would people say if GT4 had 800 cars (or whatever it is) and GT5 only had 300. Ok, the GT5 cars would all look better than GT4, but people would still argue that it's a step in the wrong direction...i.e. having fewer cars.
As I said, PD is victim of its own ambition. If they had always only had 200-300 cars, then no one would bat an eyelid with only 220 premium cars in GT5. But because we've been spoilt in the past, they're capabilities can't match our expectations.
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Guess what, Some of us dont complain about Graphics per se, We complain because the standards are not upt to par with the Premiums in Terms of 3D Model, Textures, And most important of all, FEATURES.
You see, Standards cant be customized like premiums.
Standards cant get into Photo Travel, like premiums.
Standards dont have Cockpit view, like premiums.
Thats what bugs me the most, because I can enjoy these awesome Features with Premiums Only, therefore you can enjoy GT5 At its fullest with premiums only.
Oh and yeah, some of the Standards look like crap, weird and out of place when racing with premiums, and that affects something called Constant Gameplay.
By the way, just made this pic.
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Guess what, Some of us dont complain about Graphics per se, We complain because the standards are not upt to par with the Premiums in Terms of 3D Model, Textures, And most important of all, FEATURES.
You see, Standards cant be customized like premiums.
Standards cant get into Photo Travel, like premiums.
Standards dont have Cockpit view, like premiums.
Thats what bugs me the most, because I can enjoy these awesome Features with Premiums Only, therefore you can enjoy GT5 At its fullest with premiums only.
Oh and yeah, some of the Standards look like crap, weird and out of place when racing with premiums, and that affects something called Constant Gameplay.
By the way, just made this pic.
I'm sure not all the standards are the same quality.
The Veyron will definitely look better than something ported from GT4, although both are standard.
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The thing is ... the way they announced it !
We played the Prologue with all cockpit views available ... I didn't care about standard or premium quality ... they showed us the new GT5 cars ... wich they were premium and cockpit .. but they never said a word about standard ones ... they just said it will have 950 + cars ... so everybody thoughts (for a longgg time) that we should get 950 premium cars with cockpit views .. because we were used to it .. and it was a new feature and a logical new feature for a driving simulator ....
It is like saying I will give you a NASA rocket to go to the moon ... and 5 months later I tell you that you can just go inter and not take off with it ....
The way they waited to tell us that standard will not have interior views ...
come on ... and now it is standard wheels(rims) .... If they had told us at the very begining what gt5 is really about ... nobody would have been .. disappointed !
And for exemple when I tried that one an only GT-R Proto in GT5 Prologue,
I didn't like to drive with it because I was already use to the cockpit feature .. I think everybody that has a wheel was kind of use to it ! Those who want the perfect simulator !
The only thing I wanted is The perspective of a driving simulator with a cockpit view camera to feel everycar I drive the same way ... not the quality of what is in those cars .. the black framed PSP style cockpit view were just fine for me ... but they didn't include it because they didn't like the result .. but I think most people would like GT PSP Cockpit view style better than nothing at all !
actually the veyron will look worse since it was modeled for the psp. unless they did a separate model for gt5, then i'll stand corrected.
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So, who's going to rock this look?
Hahahaha! That's pathetic!
They couldn't even make us a Type D wing to go on there, lol. Standard cars are duds!
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Guess what, Some of us dont complain about Graphics per se, We complain because the standards are not upt to par with the Premiums in Terms of 3D Model, Textures, And most important of all, FEATURES.
You see, Standards cant be customized like premiums.
Standards cant get into Photo Travel, like premiums.
Standards dont have Cockpit view, like premiums.
Thats what bugs me the most, because I can enjoy these awesome Features with Premiums Only, therefore you can enjoy GT5 At its fullest with premiums only.
Oh and yeah, some of the Standards look like crap, weird and out of place when racing with premiums, and that affects something called Constant Gameplay.
By the way, just made this pic.
lmao i guess the entire track is standard...
did even look at the picture ? its obvious the standard is at a lower res
My thoughts?
heh, if you have nothing nice to say..
I think PD did that because the wheels are made in high quality and the wheels alone have more pixels then whole GT4 car.
So I understand why you can't change rims on the cars.
ALso Standard cars are not duds. Think of them as "Extras", and by end of the day, both have same physics engine, so I bet that lil civic will be a blast to drive with.
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Ban for what? I havent violated any rules, the only thing im doing is telling you what a fail gt5 is on certain points. Request ban on other members is against the rules on this forum though
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I suppose it's easy for me to say this because about 90% of my garage-worthy cars are Premiums, but I second the notion that the game really should have been all Premiums. They could have taken the time it required to "upscale" the 800+ GT4/PSP cars and utilized that time/money to model another 100 Premium cars. I don't think many people would have cried foul over getting 300+ Premium cars. Though, who knows, people complain a lot regardless about this game, but the biggest issue everyone seems to have is the divide in the game quality that this Standard/Premium idea has created.
I'm not one of those bugged too much by the inclusion of Standard cars, but I just think for a uniform, consistently high-quality title they should have just worked on making about 300-400 Premium cars over these last few years rather than splitting up the cars into two groups.
I'm not one of those bugged too much by the inclusion of Standard cars, but I just think for a uniform, consistently high-quality title they should have just worked on making about 300-400 Premium cars over these last few years rather than splitting up the cars into two groups.
