Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[toMsonsLLC]

And the lack of quality, if I'm honest. Any idiot could have ported over 800 cars from GT4. It takes a real bunch of arrogant ***** to do this and then charge £40 for the privilege of playing them in HD.

You're officially an idiot after this comment and I openly attack GT5 for missing features GT3/4 had.. You're a whack job!

 

[Luminis]

Haters gonna hate my standards.

We haven't seen enough of the standard damage yet. Just a Land Rover with a deformed front end.

But we have seen enough to make positive comments about the game, eh?
Oh, the hypocrisy.

We have seen quite a bit about the limitations of the standard cars, graphics aside. That alone is a pretty big blow. I mean, half the features can't be exprerienced in a standard car or can only be experienced to a limited degree in a standard car... I, for one, don't like that.

And, yeah, I see the 'only physics matter'/'as long as they drive like a premium, they're good' comment coming, so I'll just say this: If that's the only thing that matters, why bother adding features that have nothing to do with the physics? And why would anyone care for them, then?

 

[homerjfong]

i think if pd/sony just advertised the game as 200 cars (because really that's all the cars that get the full gt5 experience) and just decided to add the 800 standards in for lolz, there'd be a lot less complaining..

this is the way i see the game as anyways

 

[toMsonsLLC]

Question, I saw a video of some car dealerships, and I notice most cars aren't there. Do you have to unlock cars? Cause that would be stupid. Since when can't you buy what ever car you earn money for in real life. I hope I am missing something. I want to be able to earn 200-300K early on if I have patience to drive what I want.

 

[homerjfong]

Question, I saw a video of some car dealerships, and I notice most cars aren't there. Do you have to unlock cars? Cause that would be stupid. Since when can't you buy what ever car you earn money for in real life. I hope I am missing something. I want to be able to earn 200-300K early on if I have patience to drive what I want.

those are most likely the premium cars. standard cars would be bought from the used dealer... these are all assumptions, but seem to be accurate based on what we've seen from the car list

 

[MaruchanSoup]

I bet most standard cars won't have body kits. I mad.

At least they are there...

 

[RedSuinit]

You mean a massive workload chosen by Kaz to be worked on during GT5 development. If PD was seriously bitten by the development of GTPSP, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Also, I'm having a hard time believing that GTPSP was that difficult in the first place, considering developers have been making PSP ports of PS2 games since the handheld launched, and that is essentially what GTPSP was (albeit heavily decontented from the PS2 source materials).

No, SONY pushed it on them.

 

[Tornado]

Haters gonna hate my standards.

Such a statement is funny, because there was in fact very little PD had to do for me to accept the Standards and be able to ignore the graphical shortcomings.

We haven't seen enough of the standard damage yet. Just a Land Rover with a deformed front end.

We've seen more than that as well.

 

[chalovak]

Standard cars were transfered from GT4 and GTP, right? Not that I mind, really.
But. There are two types of each model in these games:in-game models and "dealership" models? The dealership cars, the cars from the dealership menu are more detailed and look better than in-game (though, the difference is not that huge). But according to some screenshots PD used in-game cars for transfering. The question is "why".

 

[shigllgetcha]

Standart cars were transfered from GT4 and GTP, right? Not that I mind, really.
But. There are two types of each model in these games:in-game models and "dealership" models? The dealership cars, the cars from the dealership menu are more detailed and look better than in-game (though, the difference is not that huge). But according to some screenshots PD used in-game cars for transfering. The question is "why".

that was something i was wondering, were there two models or was the in game model just gimped?

 

[Tenacious D]

As I see it the standards are a extra 811 cars to play with. Plus since GT4's physics wasn't something great its basically like driving these cars for the first time. I look at my GT4 garage and I have 178 out of the full list. Now we have over a 1000 and all of these awesome features so why complain? Play the game and enjoy the awesome called GT5.

In my case, it's around 375 cars after some whittling.

I can't quite grasp why some people are still complaining about the Standards, even saying they shouldn't be included at all. I guess the new news does take a while for the haters to digest and get used to, but... whatever.

I mean, seriously. You have more cars than in GT3 in ridiculous quality. Some of them you can Race Mod, and the rest you can still gawk at until you burn the image into your retinas. Yeah... some of the Premium choices baffle me, and leaving the Veyron off the list is frankly bizarre. Not that I care much, but you have to know it smarts for the supercar freaks. But you can take these supersweet rides, mod them up or leave them bone stock and take them online to rub metal, carbon and fiberglass with your friends, sometimes literally into the sunset.

Aaaaand theeeennn.... if you can get off your high horse and dare to touch the Standards at some point or other, and maybe even... I dunno, enjoy the feel of yet another car, then you can have one more vehicle to enjoy. Or two. Or 800. Or keep on ignoring them, and enjoy solely those high gloss Premium car bodies. If the Standards exist somewhere off in the used car lot limbo, they're not going to depreciate your rides or taint them with a rust virus or something. Really, they won't.

The human race is pretty much unfathomable to me these days, but I'm hoping that some common sense seeps into the gene pool, so that issues like this aren't a cause to throw endless pity parties.

 

[Otom1c_Nat1on]

I mean, seriously. You have more cars than in GT3 in ridiculous quality. Some of them you can Race Mod, and the rest you can still gawk at until you burn the image into your retinas. Yeah... some of the Premium choices baffle me, and leaving the Veyron off the list is frankly bizarre. Not that I care much, but you have to know it smarts for the supercar freaks. But you can take these supersweet rides, mod them up or leave them bone stock and take them online to rub metal, carbon and fiberglass with your friends, sometimes literally into the sunset.

Aaaaand theeeennn.... if you can get off your high horse and dare to touch the Standards at some point or other, and maybe even... I dunno, enjoy the feel of yet another car, then you can have one more vehicle to enjoy. Or two. Or 800. Or keep on ignoring them, and enjoy solely those high gloss Premium car bodies. If the Standards exist somewhere off in the used car lot limbo, they're not going to depreciate your rides or taint them with a rust virus or something. Really, they won't.

The human race is pretty much unfathomable to me these days, but I'm hoping that some common sense seeps into the gene pool, so that issues like this aren't a cause to throw endless pity parties.

Could not agree with you more. The amount of choice is bewildering, roll on the standards.

As for pity parties, alas I feel that they will always exist. Oh well. It seems that some people will never be happy regardless of how well X, Y and Z has turned out.

 

[Pat_f40]

I think the main point in these superfight, is...

If the standards never existed... how many NEW premium cars would have been in the game? twice as now? With mind blowing detail and all that stuff.

I think people should think about this. 'Cause I see many people that says: Hey, we have 800 standard and 200 premium, so if the premium never existed, we get only 200 premium. MISTAKE!!!

 

[Greyum]

I think the main point in these superfight, is...

If the standards never existed... how many NEW premium cars would have been in the game? twice as now? With mind blowing detail and all that stuff.

I think people should think about this. 'Cause I see many people that says: Hey, we have 800 standard and 200 premium, so if the premium never existed, we get only 200 premium. MISTAKE!!!

BIG MISTAKE!!!!!!

IMO, it would have been so much better to have 300 Premium cars (just guessing) compared to 200 Premium and 800 Standard.

 

[Walking Dead]

I remembered one of the few flying GT rumours before the PS3 release and this whole online DLC.

There was this idea that the game would come with only a few issued cars, and the rest would have to be downloaded, it was something stupid like $1,50 to $5,00 a car.

At the time the magazine I read it from (I'll try find it), stated it would be the future of all games, so the companies would make money like how WOW laid down the future of on-line profiting...

This was sometime back around 2002...

 

[SteffenD89]

I think the main point in these superfight, is...

If the standards never existed... how many NEW premium cars would have been in the game? twice as now? With mind blowing detail and all that stuff.

I think people should think about this. 'Cause I see many people that says: Hey, we have 800 standard and 200 premium, so if the premium never existed, we get only 200 premium. MISTAKE!!!

If that's the case I guess well have 600 premium and 800 standdard cars in GT6?

 

[Ubiquitous]

The inferior customisation options regarding paintwork I expected (even on Premiums). My real gripe with the standard cars is that you can't modify the wheels at all. As long as they handle the same as the Premiums (in terms of detail) then that will remain my only problem.

It's a shame they took out the wheel thing, that's definitely going to reduce the lifespan of the standard cars. There are very few cars that don't look better with the right set of custom alloys and I for one will miss that option.

As for the overall look of the standards, they are absolutely acceptable, especially considering I'm going to be driving them, not focusing on them while they are standing still.

 

[Beliall]

Its a shame we wont be able to change the alloys, and also odd considering we could on GT4, can we not have 800 standard and 200 premium wheel sets?

 

[the.hatter]

I think the main point in these superfight, is...

If the standards never existed... how many NEW premium cars would have been in the game? twice as now? With mind blowing detail and all that stuff.

I think people should think about this. 'Cause I see many people that says: Hey, we have 800 standard and 200 premium, so if the premium never existed, we get only 200 premium. MISTAKE!!!

Amen! Discussion closed.

They committed the mistake of not choosing IMO. Should have either had all Standards (but 1,500 of them), or all Premiums (but 350 +/-).

Including a bit of Premiums along with a whole helpings worth of Standards was the wrong decision.

Me, I would have opted for all Premiums.

 

[Rdp616]

The only thing that bothers me is not being able to change wheels on the standard cars. That just doesn't make sense for some reason? I really wanted to be able to slam something to the ground, throw some BBS's on, go into photo mode and drool. Not that i won't be able to do that with premium car's, but you get my point.

Another thing i noticed is that there is standard and premium versions of some cars. Mostly the ones from Prologue. So if that's the case we're gonna get, let's say a GTi with and interior, working headlights etc, and one without?

I not really worried about the fact of some cars having interiors and some not. As it says in the poll hopefully things will be fixed/added thru DLC. At the end of the day it really is all about the driving. Im not really gonna be worried about my bodykit or wheels at that point. Im just happy it's almost here..

 

[pay2021]

O.K at the end of the day this is the best car game ever PERIOD. so what if you can not change the rims of a a 93 civic... you still can change the rims of a 97 type R hatch and a 2008 type R civic... Thats the reason why I'm glad they have so many different duplicates in the game cause if your favorite car is a standard version, chances are you can find a different edition with better rims to begin the game with or maybe even a premium in some cases. Stop all the hate xbots and haters who just love to hate... you don't like GT5 then find a game that best suites what you think a good car game should have... I have owned GT1, GT2, GT3(which sucked) gt4, forza 1 and 2 and all the NFS games and this by far is better then any racing tittle out there... If you are a true car enthusiast then you know this is the best that you can get by far..... thank you very much (1032 cars with top notch physics may i say more?)

Why haters?? just because they dont like "x" stuff, i cant believe, and you just cant say GT1 sucked, the inflection point in car/game industry, and with you criteria i must call you "hater" for say that for GT1(wich is the saint grial for me).

 

[Pat_f40]

Another "issue" that has determined these situation, was Sony stupid decision to have GTpsp ready for the PspGO (hyperfail). Man... that made me MAD!

 

[arvin charles]

Amen! Discussion closed.

They committed the mistake of not choosing IMO. Should have either had all Standards (but 1,500 of them), or all Premiums (but 350 +/-).

Including a bit of Premiums along with a whole helpings worth of Standards was the wrong decision.

Me, I would have opted for all Premiums.

I would've been ok with all standards with GT4 style tuning options. I honestly think PD went overboard with the graphics & bit off more than they can chew.

 

[stig's helmet]

My view on the standards is that they look great in motion, in still pictures some look better than others i.e veyron looks better than micra but lookswise I'm not that bothered. I'm a cockpit veteran from prologue and it'll take time to use roofcam and cockpit cam on different cars. But after the wait gt5 will be worth it, i'm determined of it now!

 

[Killinator]

WARNING: LONG POST

All talk of DLC has me more than somewhat worried about GT6,

PD really needs to make a decision on the 'premiums'( which will hopefully(nay expectedly) be every car) for GT6,

We know that they take 6 months to model, and quick maths dictates that if we wait for an extra 200 cars we'll be waiting more than Kaz's "shorter" timescale for a new GT.

But should PD downscale the supreme(even ridiculous) levels of details on its current premiums,
either that or they need to find a better, more efficient way of modelling cars because they can't continue on their current route,
GT6 is already being hailed here as the greatest racing game ever made, because it has to be,
It has to make up for the numerous shortfalls which GT5 suffers from,
ALL cars need to be consistent,
ALL tracks need to be consistent,
A livery editor/creator needs to be in(by Kaz's own admission they wanted it in for GT5),
Cars need to be relatively up to date, I appreciate a game has to stop making cars at a given point and some cars will miss out, but GT5 could have been released in 2008 with very few new cars missing from its line up,
A car game can't afford to be out of date before it even drops, most games get killed for that kind of screw up.

Frankly the only positive I can think of for standards is that they have recieved such a backlash that Kaz and Co wouldn't dream of making the same mistake again.

 

[objp]

They need to speed up their car modeling process if its taking 6 months per car. You sure that's just not all the man hours put together instead of 6 months in actual time? If its actually taking them 180 or so days to model one car, they need a new team. No matter how detailed they are, that's too long.

 

[depresion]

All talk of DLC has me more than somewhat worried about GT6,

Why? DLC lets PD sell the GT6 cars to GT5 owners in dribs and drabs ahead of the launch of GT6 when they can sell the same work to the same people a second time but for less. If they sell car packs at $5 for 10 then quite a lot of GT5 owners will buy them, sell one pack every other month for 2 years and you have an extra 120 cars and PD has an extra $60. You can then sell GT6 with the GT5 premiums + the 120 DLC premiums plus another say 60 or so premiums 6 months after the last GT5 DLC, this gives GT6 a reasonable number of cars, enough extra over GT5 premium as a selling point with the addition of the extra features and tracks in GT6.

 

[TK42OnE]

In my case, it's around 375 cars after some whittling.

I can't quite grasp why some people are still complaining about the Standards, even saying they shouldn't be included at all. I guess the new news does take a while for the haters to digest and get used to, but... whatever.

I mean, seriously. You have more cars than in GT3 in ridiculous quality. Some of them you can Race Mod, and the rest you can still gawk at until you burn the image into your retinas. Yeah... some of the Premium choices baffle me, and leaving the Veyron off the list is frankly bizarre. Not that I care much, but you have to know it smarts for the supercar freaks. But you can take these supersweet rides, mod them up or leave them bone stock and take them online to rub metal, carbon and fiberglass with your friends, sometimes literally into the sunset.

Aaaaand theeeennn.... if you can get off your high horse and dare to touch the Standards at some point or other, and maybe even... I dunno, enjoy the feel of yet another car, then you can have one more vehicle to enjoy. Or two. Or 800. Or keep on ignoring them, and enjoy solely those high gloss Premium car bodies. If the Standards exist somewhere off in the used car lot limbo, they're not going to depreciate your rides or taint them with a rust virus or something. Really, they won't.

The human race is pretty much unfathomable to me these days, but I'm hoping that some common sense seeps into the gene pool, so that issues like this aren't a cause to throw endless pity parties.

Exactly!

And, I guess I was watching a different video than some of the people, but that Standard Civic video looked like a hell of a lot of fun!

And, the Mugen Civic video, also Standard I think, sounds amazing!

But, don't let these guys get you down. Some people are just not happy unless they are miserable.

I'm not saying SONY handled this perfectly, and it could have been explained to us a lot sooner, and a lot clearer, but all that is in the past.

Right now, I'm in full on "get-hyped for the release" mode and I read this thread for entertainment.

Your point was well made though.

 

[Prodigy122]

They need to speed up their car modeling process if its taking 6 months per car. You sure that's just not all the man hours put together instead of 6 months in actual time? If its actually taking them 180 or so days to model one car, they need a new team. No matter how detailed they are, that's too long.

I agree with you. Some of these game makers can get their "Blockbuster" games out that have superb graphics every year or every other year. I'm with you on the idea of needing more people on their team. Even if the cars are ultra realistic, they need to be created at a faster rate.

 

[LaBounti]

Another "issue" that has determined these situation, was Sony stupid decision to have GTpsp ready for the PspGO (hyperfail). Man... that made me MAD!

It wasn't stupid, its marketing. Same reason Gears of War 3 was delayed, marketing. If Sony thinks they can sell a few more PSPgo's with the release of GTPSP than thats a good strategy. It worked for a short while and it drove a push for Digitally distributed PSP games.