Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[SlipZtrEm]

Actually he's right. If you wish I will elaborate.

Please, go on. Show me how he's right. I want to be equally enlightened!

No No No, I am serious. Since the workings of Sonys 3D system is yet to be disclosed, how does he know what can be ported and used and what can't be?

Okay, so what do you call the car models? Are they 2d models? Running on 2d courses? No, they are three dimensional. We're not talking about the 3d viewing of the game. We're talking about the 3d models. This feels very much like an attempt to change the direction of the discussion since you didn't ask this originally.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I recommend you Reading the last post of last page.

We're not talking about the 3D Television.

Its the Dimension the game is being recreated in.

OK OK, I thought you were talking about the 3D TV technology.
I jumped to conclusions on your statement.

Then that brings me to my next question.

Have the modeled ports been changed at all, or do you claim they are the same as the GT4 models?

 

[Strittan]

Have the modeled ports been changed at all, or do you claim they are the same as the GT4 models?

We're not sure yet, but it looks as if they haven't changed at all.

 

[Dravonic]

Terrible example.
The models we see as standard cars have never set foot in GT4. The standard models are the unmolested, uncrippled, overworked models that PD created but never used due to the ps2's lack of power. Technically they aren't gt4 models, gt4 models are based off these.

Which happen to have the same exact vertexes at the same exact position the models in GT4 photomode have?

 

[SrRd RacinG]

*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

Damn.

 

[JDMKING13]

*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

Damn.

If you read the sentence it dosent say *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera VIEW

It says *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

this means this IMO

 

[SrRd RacinG]

JDMKING13, you know I was fighting on the forefront for interior views on standard cars. It was you and I who agreed that they would. Optimism ran high, but now it seems we have to part ways.

But in all seriousness, this seems pretty blunt and straightforward. I absolutely loathe the idea of 200 cars being worked on so much more, but I guess it's reality.

 

[JDMKING13]

JDMKING13, you know I was fighting on the forefront for interior views on standard cars. It was you and I who agreed that they would. Optimism ran high, but now it seems we have to part.

lol, but in all seriousness, this seems pretty blunt and straightforward.

K man no prob i will go down by myself thanks for riding with me 👍 You guys can throw tomatoes at me when we see some good footage of standard cars til then im sticking on my wagon 👍

 

[SrRd RacinG]

You'll likely be very angry when you pop in the disc and notice they don't have an interior view. Any interior view.

I am still a tiny bit hopeful, but this is disappointing. Well, I'm all for surprises!

And this comes from a driver who uses the chase cam view.

 

[chepu]

JDMKING13, you know I was fighting on the forefront for interior views on standard cars. It was you and I who agreed that they would. Optimism ran high, but now it seems we have to part ways.

But in all seriousness, this seems pretty blunt and straightforward. I absolutely loathe the idea of 200 cars being worked on so much more, but I guess it's reality.

Exactly My point, Everybody fighting about that is just in Denial.

If you read the sentence it dosent say *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera VIEW

It says *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

Might be because they are talking about Standard Cars, not about a Standard Car *Read Plural*

 

[JDMKING13]

You'll likely be very angry when you pop in the disc and notice they don't have an interior view. Any interior view.

I am still a tiny bit hopeful, but this is disappointing. Well, I'm all for surprises!

And this comes from a driver who uses the chase cam view.

Angry.. nahh I'm to pumped about this game i was just playing GT4 with bumper cam and it was so fun 👍 My bro was telling me just imagine how is going to be in GT5...

 

[SrRd RacinG]

And the fact that they just added the news to the site, after all the panic which ensued, is the best evidence that they wanted to clear up any confusion.

And despite it being "bad" news, we ought to applaud them for a swift clean-up of the ambiguity.

 

[Devedander]

No No No, I am serious. Since the workings of Sonys 3D system is yet to be disclosed, how does he know what can be ported and used and what can't be?

Ok seriously... Stop... You are thoroughly embarassing yourself.


To those who constantly complain about people like me being pessismists and negative, look at what we have to deal with. Prove yoy aren't blind fanboys and step up to respond to this pro gt/pd garbage.

 

[WanderingSoul]

If you read the sentence it dosent say *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera VIEW

It says *Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

this means this IMO

- Content showing interior views during replay -

*facepalms* Why didn't I think of that? I forgot all about those views. I still think they meant from cockpit, but it is nice to see someone optimistic out there. Hope you are right and I am wrong on this one.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Please, go on. Show me how he's right. I want to be equally enlightened!

The web sight says the standard cars will not respond to interior view.
Thats because they don't have modeled interiors.

At no time so far has anyone at PD or Sony defined interior view to equate
to cockpit camera racing view.

As a matter of fact, some gaming sights and they have been posted in most of these threads, emphatically declare they are two different things and that
there will be a cockpit racing view in all cars.

Since interior view could associate the open the door and look at the interior as the screenshots show, they can be seperate entities.

The biggest problem I see with this is if all cars do have a cockpit view, the head cam would have to be disabled or limited in someway in the standard cars.

At any rate it is still unconfirmed as to the exact meaning of "interior view".
and whether or not it encompasses cockpit view.

Okay, so what do you call the car models? Are they 2d models? Running on 2d courses? No, they are three dimensional. We're not talking about the 3d viewing of the game. We're talking about the 3d models. This feels very much like an attempt to change the direction of the discussion since you didn't ask this originally.

Since 2D hasn't been in a game I can recall forever and all the recent talk about the 3D TV tech I just assumed he was talking about 3D TV.

 

[JDMKING13]

Exactly My point, Everybody fighting about that is just in Denial.



Might be because they are talking about Standard Cars, not about a Standard Car *Read Plural*

*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

Edit i get you bro you mean They have to keep the tense the same.

That might be the nail however i will still keep hope

 

[Dravonic]

^ Double post.

*facepalms* Why didn't I think of that? I forgot all about those views. I still think they meant from cockpit, but it is nice to see someone optimistic out there. Hope you are right and I am wrong on this one.

Don't you think it's a little bit too optimistic to be true? If they are not using a word in it's common meaning, Kaz got wildly lost in translation and the official website can't be trusted, then we may have cockpits in standard cars.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it to be true, but it's looking too much like a fairy tale for me to believe in it.

 

[WanderingSoul]

^ Double post.

Nevermind. I know what you are talking about now. @_@ Sorry.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

It is an assumption at this point, that interior and cockpit view is the same and the standard cars won't have any sort of cockpit view.

Its a simple fact that this hasn't been clarified by any official source.

 

[Strittan]

To all of you guys still hoping for cockpit view in the standard cars, you do realize that doesn't mean the cars will look like the premium ones, right? They will still look like in this video, but have the kind of cockpit view seen in the PSP game added to them.

[YOUTUBEHD]Z8v7hjaSr6c[/YOUTUBEHD]

By the way, is that what the cars in GT4 really sounded like? Man, I can't believe I played it for months!

 

[Devedander]

Since 2D hasn't been in a game I can recall forever and all the recent talk about the 3D TV tech I just assumed he was talking about 3D TV.

The problem is you still have no idea what you are talking about.

Any 3D model can be rendered to a 3D display becuase all 3D is at this point is rendering two seperate views, one for each eye.

It's not like the 3D display standards where polarization vs shutter glasses vs who knows what is an issue.

There is nothing special about the in game asset, as long as it's a 3D model (which the GT4 cars clearly were) that would be effected by how Sony chooses to impliment 3D display.

It's all made worse by the fact you clearly don't understand the subject at hand or you would never have confused talk about 3D models as in game assets with rendering for display on a 3D capable monitor.

You have shown again and again you do not have a good understanding of what you are talking about and as such should just stop trying. It's painfully transparent and doesn't help the debate at all.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

The problem is you still have no idea what you are talking about.

Any 3D model can be rendered to a 3D display becuase all 3D is at this point is rendering two seperate views, one for each eye.

It's not like the 3D display standards where polarization vs shutter glasses vs who knows what is an issue.

There is nothing special about the in game asset, as long as it's a 3D model (which the GT4 cars clearly were) that would be effected by how Sony chooses to impliment 3D display.

You have shown again and again you do not have a good understanding of what you are talking about and as such should just stop trying. It's painfully transparent and doesn't help the debate at all.

Tell me the last 2D game you played?

 

[JDMKING13]

It is an assumption at this point, that interior and cockpit view is the same and the standard cars won't have any sort of cockpit view.

Its a simple fact that this hasn't been clarified by any official source.

Thats what i have to ride on for now

 

[Devedander]

Tell me the last 2D game you played?

Tell me what we were talking about? Yeah 3D models... there was no logical segway short of just totally not knowing what you are talking about and making assumptions. The mistake you made was only possible if you are in over your head and just hear similar terms so relate them unaware that there is no logical reason to if you actually understood what you are talking about.

Seriously, it's obvious you like to think you know what you are talking about and you totally don't.

You keep changing the direction and topic to move away from your previousl totally flawed posts.

It's not fooling anyone.

 

[Stevisiov]

Tell me the last 2D game you played?

Well technically all screen based games are 2D, just giving the illusion of 3D. Even the new 3D games that are soon to be released are really 2D but they give the illusion of a depth of field, which I guess you could call a 3rd dimension.

Anyway, enough of my pedantry.

 

[Strittan]

Tell me the last 2D game you played?

Yes, it was a very long time ago, but you asked.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Tell me what we were talking about? Yeah 3D models... there was no logical segway short of just totally not knowing what you are talking about and making assumptions. The mistake you made was only possible if you are in over your head and just hear similar terms so relate them unaware that there is no logical reason to if you actually understood what you are talking about.

Seriously, it's obvious you like to think you know what you are talking about and you totally don't.

You keep changing the direction and topic to move away from your previousl totally flawed posts.

It's not fooling anyone.

Since you can't answer the question, I guess I'm not the only one that doesn't know what their talking about.

 

[Devedander]

Since you can't answer the question, I guess I'm not the only one that doesn't know what their talking about.

No I chose not to answer the question because it was a clear dodge attempt.

The fact is that the subject at hand had no relevance to 2D gaming that coudl have possibly lead you legitiamtely down that road had you known what you were talking about.

3D models today means only one thing. There is currently no such thing as a 3D model that is suitable for display on a 3D display vs a 3D model that is not. It only goes to show your lack of understanding that you would make such a mistake.

Stay calm chepu.
I want to ask you a question.

Since GT4 was not 3D, how can the cars be "direct ports" from that game?

That is a glaring example of talking like you know when you totally don't.

Sorry, as I said, it's painfully obviously you do not know what you are talking about and no amount of dodgin and trying to change the subject will change that.

 

[chepu]

Curious how the Subject changed from GT4 Ports to this 2D-3D Thingy.

Succesful Troll is Succesful?

Enough Off-Topic.

 

[Devedander]

Curious how the Subject changed from GT4 Ports to this 2D-3D Thingy.

Succesful Troll is Succesful?

Enough Off-Topic.

Tenacious Troll is Tenacious.

I just figured it was better to call him out point blank as someone who is talking out their rear rather than go on trying to defeat him at his own game of dodging and ignorance.

Back on topic:

Still no valid content to back up a claim that the standard cars are anything more than photomode GT4 ports. Painfully obvious visual evidence that that is exactly what they are...

Honestly at this point, unless we get new info, there is simply no debate... it's completely shown.