Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Devedander]

I can see what you mean but that's not necessarily hypocrisy. Most on here want GT5 to be good, as we're all (most of us anyway) looking forward to having fun with it. So it's only natural we'd give it the benifit of doubt.

There is benefit of the doubt and then there is unreasonable optimism.

What we see a lot here is the latter... you can often tell because unreasonable optimism is that optimism which is given to GT but would not be given to other games in similar circumstances.

Denial and unreasonable optimism are common traits amongst those who want something to be good so badly they let go of rational thought. These are otherwise known as fanboys.

 

[freshseth83]

Here's a thought, wait till the game is out.

 

[HLRJigsaw]

I haven't played a GT game since #3. I've been on FM2/3. I will buy this game for 200 cars. I pre-ordered the CE today. I won't drive a standard car if I can help it. This does seem like a bit of false advertizing. The two hundred cars that are great should make up for it.

This does seem like a little justice for all the FM haters.

 

[Nattefrost]

There is benefit of the doubt and then there is unreasonable optimism.

What we see a lot here is the latter... you can often tell because unreasonable optimism is that optimism which is given to GT but would not be given to other games in similar circumstances.

Denial and unreasonable optimism are common traits amongst those who want something to be good so badly they let go of rational thought. These are otherwise known as fanboys.

But it's not THAT unreasonable to be optimistic about all of this is it.

 

[sultan24601]

Here's a thought, wait till the game is out.

If everyone just simply waited for this game without saying anything I'm guessing the game wouldn't have some of the features it does now (physical damage, light/day transitions, reverse lights).

 

[Devedander]

But it's not THAT unreasonable to be optimistic about all of this is it.

Well let's see... in a similar scenario would we be so forgiving to Forza?

I don't think so.

Yet many are virtually grovelling at the PD alter still...

Yes... yes I do think a lot of the otpimism around here is unreasonable.

We have 5 months till launch... 3 of which is likely to be tied up with testing, certifying and shipping... and people are saying "the 800 cars that took 6 years to get to this point might get better, they still have time! Just wait and see!"

Yes that is overly optimistic.

DLC is basically a money grab now adays and nothing of value has been truly free for quite sometime... yet all the problems with GT5 we are seeing may be fixed by DLC... for free!

Yes... overly optimistic.

No matter when in the timeline we are, anything bad we should not talk about and just wait, the game isn't even out yet, reserve judgement (I should specify negative judgement, praise GT all you want right now) until it's released.

That is just sad.

 

[No46_TheDoctor]

There are a number of reasons why I don't like this idea. Firstly, it brings inconsistency into the game. I realise that the standard models look great, but the difference between those and the premium ones is really noticeable. I think it'll be weird to see them together in a race. Secondly, it's a step down from Prologue, all the cars there were of equal quality, just like in all previous GT games. And finally, people actually got used to playing with the interior view, and Prologue played a big role there. Personally I'm still faster with the bumper cam, but for me it's not just about being faster, it's about enjoying myself in the process. PD set high standards with the Prologue, it's foolish to lower them now with the full game. And I thought Kaz was a perfectionist, this decision makes it hard to believe for me anymore. I wish they didn't include interior view at all, or maybe made something similar to Forza's interior view, anything else, but for all cars. I am a perfectionist myself, and although I definitely will buy the game, I know I'll lose a nerve cell every time I read "Standard" or "Premium" in the menus.

Well said, Thats exactly how I feel about the whole thing.

 

[Joel]

I dunno, in the pic the Standard models don't look so great, but in full video they look fine IMO

 

[SuperCobraJet]

There are a number of reasons why I don't like this idea. Firstly, it brings inconsistency into the game. I realise that the standard models look great, but the difference between those and the premium ones is really noticeable. I think it'll be weird to see them together in a race. Secondly, it's a step down from Prologue, all the cars there were of equal quality, just like in all previous GT games. And finally, people actually got used to playing with the interior view, and Prologue played a big role there. Personally I'm still faster with the bumper cam, but for me it's not just about being faster, it's about enjoying myself in the process. PD set high standards with the Prologue, it's foolish to lower them now with the full game. And I thought Kaz was a perfectionist, this decision makes it hard to believe for me anymore. I wish they didn't include interior view at all, or maybe made something similar to Forza's interior view, anything else, but for all cars. I am a perfectionist myself, and although I definitely will buy the game, I know I'll lose a nerve cell every time I read "Standard" or "Premium" in the menus.

I have to agree.

At the least, the history has influenced the reasonable assumption of one thing, and now the reality is something totally different.

 

[Pantha-King]

It feels as though Polyphony didn't plan to include the 800+ cars as we've only seen seen them recently.

I'm guessing that when PD delayed GT5 they only had around 200 or so cars in the game with night/day and everything else we know about and added the previous games cars to add some more depth and longevity to the game.

I have nothing against the additional 800 cars, but it just seems like a bit of a strange thing to do. Also it makes me wonder how the standard and premium cars will be implemented in GT Career mode.

And to be honest I would have liked to have some kind of interior view for the rest of the cars but the amount of time PD have spent going over the 200 premium car, tracks and night/day I'm up for what I've seen so far.

 

[terminator363]

Who the hell would want the game to come out later!!!

 

[Frozzy]

There are a number of reasons why I don't like this idea. Firstly, it brings inconsistency into the game. I realise that the standard models look great, but the difference between those and the premium ones is really noticeable. I think it'll be weird to see them together in a race. Secondly, it's a step down from Prologue, all the cars there were of equal quality, just like in all previous GT games. And finally, people actually got used to playing with the interior view, and Prologue played a big role there. Personally I'm still faster with the bumper cam, but for me it's not just about being faster, it's about enjoying myself in the process. PD set high standards with the Prologue, it's foolish to lower them now with the full game. And I thought Kaz was a perfectionist, this decision makes it hard to believe for me anymore. I wish they didn't include interior view at all, or maybe made something similar to Forza's interior view, anything else, but for all cars. I am a perfectionist myself, and although I definitely will buy the game, I know I'll lose a nerve cell every time I read "Standard" or "Premium" in the menus.

Wow I couldn't have said it better myself. I hope PD looks out into the community and sees how we feel about this. If they do release the game with 800 "standard" cars
I hope it doesn't hurt the true aspect of GT5.

 

[JohnBM01]

I actually voted "Not do "premium" cars at all but focus on other features i.e. dynamic weather" because while I do care about this game looking impressive, I don't want this game to take longer than it has to in making it outstanding. PD, for example, said that it took about two years to do Madrid and Toscana. I think PD has done pretty well with what they've done so far.

Again, not popular opinions, but pretty understandable to me. As an analogy... do you have to be handsome/beautiful to win a singing competition, or do you have to sing better than everybody else? What's more important (even I'm asking this question): making every car as beautiful as possible or delivering a solid racing experience from top to bottom? Gran Turismo 5 doesn't have to be 200% beautiful, but it is still a great game from what we've seen so far. This is still a great-looking game even with the shortcomings. Just don't let these shortcomings be the deal-breaker for you. Are you buying GT5 for racing or for the most beautiful-looking cars?

These are all my opinions. I'm sorry if my thoughts aren't popular.

 

[GMTN]

They said they are still tweaking the graphics, anything can happen in the next few months. If these models are http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8v7hjaSr6c standard, then they haven't skimped on the actual graphics, just the amount of detail. Its the same engine "beautifully recreated through the latest technology and the Playstation 3’s cutting-edge graphics."

I know i won't care as much as other people will, it has damage and a load of other features i have been wanting.

 

[Pantha-King]

Well there are two ways this can go about, make that three.

1 - GT5 releases with the 200 premium and 800 standard cars and comes out November 2nd.

2 - GT5 releases with 200 premium cars and nothing else.

3 - The game gets delayed 1 or two years, depending on how long your prepared to wait for PD to hunt down, photograph and model each of the 800 interiors...

Oh, and option 4 - Game is released with 800 standard cars and no premium cars.

I'll take option one, option two will significantly shorten the life of the game and 3 will extend the duration everyone waits for it! 👎

 

[Lucas]

My thoughts? I think this sucks. Some people dislike bugs. To them, they break the game. And to me, frankly, this breaks the game more than anything else. It makes the game seem half-assed.

I would prefer the game to be delayed until all cars are Premium.

 

[JDMKING13]

I actually voted "Not do "premium" cars at all but focus on other features i.e. dynamic weather" because while I do care about this game looking impressive, I don't want this game to take longer than it has to in making it outstanding. PD, for example, said that it took about two years to do Madrid and Toscana. I think PD has done pretty well with what they've done so far.

Again, not popular opinions, but pretty understandable to me. As an analogy... do you have to be handsome/beautiful to win a singing competition, or do you have to sing better than everybody else? What's more important (even I'm asking this question): making every car as beautiful as possible or delivering a solid racing experience from top to bottom? Gran Turismo 5 doesn't have to be 200% beautiful, but it is still a great game from what we've seen so far. This is still a great-looking game even with the shortcomings. Just don't let these shortcomings be the deal-breaker for you. Are you buying GT5 for racing or for the most beautiful-looking cars?

These are all my opinions. I'm sorry if my thoughts aren't popular.

Many people can learn from this man great post J 👍

 

[wuffa]

have they also gone halves on the sound and physics of standard cars? the replays looked and sounded SO boring

 

[Frozzy]

The Standard cars stay out of GT mode or they can just remove the concept.


It would be better either way.

 

[Cimanu]

Standard cars still look stunning. Sure premium cars look slightly more stunning and I dare say that they have a fine choice of premium cars, (the 50 variations of skyline, one must be premium, that kinda thing).
This however does not bother me in the slightest, the point is this.
The standard cars will still drive amazingly, and sound superb. As I drive in bumper/bonnet view as it is the interior view doesn't bother me too badly.

I would be happy with GT4 with new physics and full G25 support.

The fact i'm getting that, with amazing graphics, sounds and 200 premium cars thrown on top suits me just fine

 

[CoolColJ]

What the standard cars will look like - these pics are back from when GTHD was going to be released, but that was canned. But with better shaders and lighting off course. And probably wheels and drivers

 

[Frozzy]

They still look outdated to me and telling by the video they sound the same.

GT5 and GT4 doesn't mix.

 

[scandisk]

They still look outdated to me and telling by the video they sound the same.

GT5 and GT4 doesn't mix.

And he's a perfectionist huh?

 

[Frozzy]

And he's a perfectionist huh?

Is that what many people see the way he is or does he claim that himself?
Lets not be rude and we should be thankful that this game still has a lot of
content we didn't expect.

Yes, the standard cars still bother me. I still think its shady how PD kept this to themselves and told us this now.

Easily the biggest let down in GT history. There is no doubt in that...

The idea of "Premium and Standard" gives that feeling that the game isn't complete. The concept changed the
way I view GT5 now.

 

[Earth]

Yes, the standard cars still bother me. I still think its shady how PD kept this to themselves and told us this now.

Its the old bait and switch routine

Kaz thoroughly deceived us into believing all 1000 cars were premium by hiding the standard cars until now

Hopefully after launch we get 10 or so premium cars every 2 months via DLC

I'll drive the standard garbage. I have to admit that Pescarolo '05 "Hybrid" looks really tasty. So does the other Group C cars.

Hopefully at the very least they all get a black PSP style cockpit view. If I were superman I may use bumper cam as there is no sensation of a car and it feels like your flying. What a joke that view is.

In the end standard cars can be damaged, they can flip, and they have updated physics. I'm not a graphics whore, and I've mentioned before I'd take GT4 style graphics if that meant 50 car fields.

Only problem is lack of cockpit view. Bumper cam is about as arcadey as Ridge Racer. 3rd person chase is only good with a DS3. Roof cam is all right but sometimes it feels like your 8 feet tall and they cut a hole in the roof for your head to stick out the top.

Cockpitview or bust, even if its blacked out like the PSP

 

[phosphor112]

I don't care for the cockpits anymore. I just want better sounds and high beams on standard cars. I don't see why I can't turn on my high beams at night with a standard car. It makes no sense.

 

[MagpieRacer]

I dont see how people think it is a half assed effort in doing it this way. I guess if you consider meticulously modelling and detailing 200 cars half assed then fine, think, thats 200, each car takes 6 months to make, 200 is outstanding. But its GT, 200 cars simply would not be enough, so why not have upgraded HD cars from previous games, makes perfect sense, that or wait till probably around 2016 to have done all 800 in premium trim. Cockpit view, not fussed, dont use it, headlights, not fussed as long as they, well, work, transparent windows, couldn't care any less if I tried. When I play this game, it will be from roof cam and I will be focusing primarily on the road ahead rather than my reverse lights and if that bump made a scratch on a panel I cant see or if I can see through my rear window. And I certainly won't be worrying about my cars engine not being fully modelled and the fact the bottom of the car looks wrong, cos quite frankly, there are worse things to complain about.

Personally I think its a shame they only did 800, scrap the 200 premiums and give us 1500.

 

[mastretta_mx]

1.- Is impressive how a lot of trolls from neoGAF have just created accounts here for trolling GT5, check the worst posts then look at the nick and go to neoGAF and compared it with the trolls accounts there

2.- Is a bit dissapointed: Yes, but when you put in a hand all the new features (Dinamic Day/night cycle, damage,improved lighting, Pro physics, NASCAR, Super GT, WRC, F-1 Cars, rollover, head tracking, 16 player online, and maybe weather and livery editor) and you put the bad things in the other (at the moment just the cockpit view thing) I can see cleary a really important improvement, there's more positive things than negative things, c'mon people!


In short my opinion is:

stop being a childish-cry-babies-emo-boys!!​

 

[JDMKING13]

And he's a perfectionist huh?

👎 I believe he is did you see the premium car Just because the man didnt put 1000 premium cars in the game doesn't make him a perfectionist?

What makes me laugh is people around here act like Kaz didn't want to make 1000 premium cars the man him self said that it would take forever. Come on guys lets grow up.

 

[kingcars]

Well there are two ways this can go about, make that three.

1 - GT5 releases with the 200 premium and 800 standard cars and comes out November 2nd.

2 - GT5 releases with 200 premium cars and nothing else.

3 - The game gets delayed 1 or two years, depending on how long your prepared to wait for PD to hunt down, photograph and model each of the 800 interiors...

Oh, and option 4 - Game is released with 800 standard cars and no premium cars.

I'll take option one, option two will significantly shorten the life of the game and 3 will extend the duration everyone waits for it! 👎

I prefer option 5 - Have a Gran Turismo career mode with all of the Premium cars, then a Gran Turismo Classic career mode with the standard cars. Sounds logical to me, and wouldn't detract from the overall experience. I do really hope they separate the two tiers of cars in some way. Mixing them would be catastrophic to the immersion.