Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Dravonic]

Bro you cant call those new generation those are in a league of its own. If you call that new gen you cannot call Forza3 and NFS shift new generation they look nothing compared to those shots. Talking about models like you guys Forza3 is a new generation game however they might not suffer with those line like you pointed out but they have 3D modeling issues also.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/4794543876_c16bdd6037.jpg[IMG]

This model is wrong the nose does not stick out longer than the car.

[IMG]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4099/4794635314_60f4208cdb.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

Edited to suit your needs even before you posted. I knew someone would bring this up :lol:

Smooth roofs (and obviously other body lines) all across the board this gen. Except in GT5 standard cars...

 

[JDMKING13]

Not in this gen. Not that apparent. Go ahead, give it a try.

Edited to suit your needs even before you posted. I knew someone would bring this up

I edit all my pics so they are not big on the forum whats the problem.

Edit O ok man got ya 👍

 

[Scaff]

OK this is the very, very, very last time this is going to get mentioned.

This is not a FM vs GT discussion thread and the staff have been incredibly tolerant of the constant off-topic discussions that have gone on in this thread.

I'm simply giving notice that right now a discussion is underway about the very future of this thread, and I have to be honest right now its not looking good.

Getting this thread back on track and keeping it that way would go a long way, but to be honest I personally don't hold out much hope of that actually happening.

Its simple guys, the future of this thread is in the hands of the members contributing to it, your posts have the ability to convince us to keep it open or confirm our fears and get it locked.


Scaff

 

[Dravonic]

I edit all my pics so they are not big on the forum whats the problem.

You misunderstood me. I meant I edited my post to add cars from other games

 

[RedSuinit]

OK this is the very, very, very last time this is going to get mentioned.

This is not a FM vs GT discussion thread and the staff have been incredibly tolerant of the constant off-topic discussions that have gone on in this thread.

I'm simply giving notice that right now a discussion is underway about the very future of this thread, and I have to be honest right now its not looking good.

Getting this thread back on track and keeping it that way would go a long way, but to be honest I personally don't hold out much hope of that actually happening.

Its simple guys, the future of this thread is in the hands of the members contributing to it, your posts have the ability to convince us to keep it open or confirm our fears and get it locked.


Scaff

Part of me wants to say, "Lock it, it's dead anyways," but part of me wants it to stay.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Tolerate? That's an odd choice of words...

To those saying the lack of detail in Standards doesn't hold any differences in the game other than "limiting Photomode angles", I direct you to the damage model, the low/high beams, and if there are swappable body parts as hinted by the "Tuned" Prologue models... yeah, don't expect those on Standards either.

I'm of the same opinion as kingcars; I'm sure I'll love my Collector's Edition, and I'll play the game for a long, long time, but that doesn't change the fact the Standard models aren't even close to the levels this generation shows, and it's a bit disappointing this long-awaited game gets hype from its company as a "Revolution" when a lot of its main draw (the car lineup) is ported-over last-gen stuff.

I have expressed my opinion on the standard models as with the applied PS3 engine and lighting effects will enhance their overall look, therefor they will be acceptable by my standards. However I cant argue with the bolded sentence.

But also keep in mind that as 80% seems like a huge percentage on its own, we still get 200 models that are photo realisitic and surpass anything seen to date.

 

[Snaeper]

Part of me wants to say, "Lock it, it's dead anyways," but part of me wants it to stay.

Imagine the horrific overflow into other threads!

 

[Akira AC]

I'm sorry but post like the one of the last page are becoming spamming,I mean forza VS Gran turismo is a topic that should not be continue in this thread,just saying this to the moderators because they warn us and it seems that none make any case to this warnings,instead of keep comparing GT and Forza you should got to the general section or the rumble strip and post a thread there,here is not place for these kind of post(even if they true or valid doesn't make it match the thread topic " Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium" "),so I recommend to the moderators to close this thread until gamescom or until new information is unveil.

 

[Scaff]

Imagine the horrific overflow into other threads!

Imagine the reaction the staff would have to that!


Scaff

 

[Dravonic]

OK this is the very, very, very last time this is going to get mentioned.

This is not a FM vs GT discussion thread and the staff have been incredibly tolerant of the constant off-topic discussions that have gone on in this thread.

I'm simply giving notice that right now a discussion is underway about the very future of this thread, and I have to be honest right now its not looking good.

Getting this thread back on track and keeping it that way would go a long way, but to be honest I personally don't hold out much hope of that actually happening.

Its simple guys, the future of this thread is in the hands of the members contributing to it, your posts have the ability to convince us to keep it open or confirm our fears and get it locked.


Scaff

Is posting pics from other games, one of them being FM3, for the sake of determining if GT5 standard cars are this-generation-worthy OK?

Honestly, I only saw one member trying to start a GT5 vs FM3 discussion in the last couple of days (unless you call using a FM3 car as only another current generation example a GT5 vs FM3 flame bait) so punishing all those posting or reading the thread seems unfair.

 

[Akira AC]

Is posting pics from other games, one of them being FM3, for the sake of determining if GT5 standard cars are this-generation-worthy OK?

Sadly is not worthy specially when there is other games out there,and when the non-sense of post starts,the thread goes in a coursed way(like i did on the forza debrin thread) I try to give a more objective approach to this but it seems that some members wants to keep this thread and drive it into another GT vs Forza thread,sorry but that is why I think, comparison pictures OK but no non-sense, which is what is starting to emerge here.

 

[JDMKING13]

You misunderstood me. I meant I edited my post to add cars from other games

My bad D when i was replying to you I left for an hour and still had the reply screen on so I never saw those pics I only took out the standard. 👍 I dont want to get this thread locked so I'm going to just chill 👍

 

[Scaff]

Sadly is not worthy specially when there is other games out there and start,and when start the non-sense of post(like i did on the forza debrin thread) I try to give a more objective approach to this but it seems that some members wants to keep this thread and drive it into another GT vs Forza thread,sorry but that is why I think, comparison pictures OK but no non-sense, which is what is starting to emerge here.

Nail on head.

We have no specific issue with any picture being used for comparison purposes, as long as that is exactly what they are used for.

Unfortunately almost every time that's done the thread ends up in a FM vs GT argument and takes an age to get back on track. Do a search against this thread using the word 'Forza' to get an idea of how many post you get back and then take a look at they for a very good idea of exactly why the staff have an issue.

As I mentioned above, I have no issue with the use of pictures for valid comparisons at all. However from now on you guys are responsible to keeping it on track, fail to do so and its going to get locked. If that happens (and I hope we can avoid it) and the mess spreads to other threads then those responsible will find 'interesting PM's in their in-boxes.


Regards

Scaff

 

[Zathra5_]

Tolerate? That's an odd choice of words...

I'm of the same opinion as kingcars; I'm sure I'll love my Collector's Edition, and I'll play the game for a long, long time, but that doesn't change the fact the Standard models aren't even close to the levels this generation shows, and it's a bit disappointing this long-awaited game gets hype from its company as a "Revolution" when a lot of its main draw (the car lineup) is ported-over last-gen stuff.

I have expressed my opinion on the standard models as with the applied PS3 engine and lighting effects will enhance their overall look, therefor they will be acceptable by my standards. However I cant argue with this.

But also keep in mind that as 80% seems like a huge percentage on its own, we still get 200 models that are photo realisitic and surpass anything seen to date.

I'll argue. I guess that I have a different perspective than many here. I like cars but I'm not obsessed with them. However, I do love to drive. To me even if the 800 cars are crap, I won't be the least bit disappointed with being stuck with 200 cars. I never got tired of the 70 cars in prologue. I doubt that I will get tired with the 200 premium cars. The limited tracks were a much bigger problem with prologue.

If PD includes all the features that have been rumoured including weather and a track editor then the game will be truly will be a "revolution" to me. The "80% of the game" that I may never see (is it really 80% then) just doesn't bother me.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

This is possibly the very first time a PD product may disappoint me, as I haven't really complained or "whined" about any other aspect of any GT game before and I really hope I will be proven wrong for thinking that, but there you go.

To the whole post, analog: 👍

Bro you cant call those new generation those are in a league of its own. If you call that new gen you cannot call Forza3 and NFS shift new generation they look nothing compared to those shots. Talking about models like you guys Forza3 is a new generation game however they might not suffer with those line like you pointed out but they have 3D modeling issues also.

They are indeed the new generation, though. What else should we call them? I'm not buying the "PS4" thing Kaz is telling people, because he's got 16 Premiums running on track with no hiccups. Obviously they're able to be handled in this generation just fine.

This model is wrong the nose does not stick out longer than the car.

Actually, that is accurate. Hrm.

Wall of text about Forza

This again misses the main argument here; that the lack of complexity in the car models themselves in GT5 Standards is what's holding them back, and showing their age. Using one-piece car models is a huge limitation for growth.

This is why (other game 3) was a let down for me it felt like (other game 2) all around.

...which is how some of us feel about GT5. Other than some new physics and a mechanical damage system, a good chunk of the game is going to be deja vu. I'm hoping for some more info on exactly how far-reaching the new day/night system and (potentially) weather system are, though, since they actually do have a big impact on the gameplay to me.

Bring on November 2 👍

This is a sentiment I can get behind! 👍

 

[RedSuinit]

Imagine the reaction the staff would have to that!


Scaff

A frightening thought indeed.

 

[Dravonic]

They are indeed the new generation, though. What else should we call them? I'm not buying the "PS4" thing Kaz is telling people, because he's got 16 Premiums running on track with no hiccups. Obviously they're able to be handled in this generation just fine.

Honestly, the only reason these cars are in a PS3 is PD's expertise.

But I agree, while they are significantly better then cars in any other game, they are not PS4 cars. If PD think they will just use the same models in the PS4 with no changes at all, well, they will only repeat the standard vs premium fiasco.

 

[Scaff]

Wow - it's seriously quite amazing how rapidly a post from the staff asking for an end to these FM vs GT arguments can get ignored. Just because someone else takes the thread off-topic and into a FM vs GT flame-fest does not mean you have to respond to it!

Honestly you are not doing the future of this thread any good at all.


Scaff

 

[JDMKING13]

...which is how some of us feel about GT5. Other than some new physics and a mechanical damage system, a good chunk of the game is going to be deja vu. I'm hoping for some more info on exactly how far-reaching the new day/night system and (potentially) weather system are, though, since they actually do have a big impact on the gameplay to me.

How do you feel anything when nobody played the GT5 yet? Even FM3 i gave a chance when i heard the news about it, I was not disappointed until 1 month of game play. I think there is more than new physics and mechanical system to GT5 man

 

[McLaren]

Wow - it's seriously quite amazing how rapidly a post from the staff asking for an end to these FM vs GT arguments can get ignored. Just because someone else takes the thread off-topic and into a FM vs GT flame-fest does not mean you have to respond to it!

Honestly you are not doing the future of this thread any good at all.


Scaff

This thread died 100 pages ago, as far as I'm concerned with it.

 

[Dravonic]

Wow - it's seriously quite amazing how rapidly a post from the staff asking for an end to these FM vs GT arguments can get ignored. Just because someone else takes the thread off-topic and into a FM vs GT flame-fest does not mean you have to respond to it!

Honestly you are not doing the future of this thread any good at all.


Scaff

How do you feel anything when nobody played the GT5 yet? Even FM3 i gave a chance when i heard the news about it, I was not disappointed until 1 month of game play. I think there is more than new physics and mechanical system man to GT5

lol at the vocabulary fail in the facepalm pic but please... stop. Please.

 

[Akira AC]

The Word "Forza" should be banned in these forums,or at least this threads regarding GT

 

[Organ-Donor]

edit double post.

 

[McLaren]

The Word "Forza" should be banned in these forums,or at least this threads regarding GT

Why? There's nothing wrong with the word or mentioning the game, it's the fanboys who go into "GTDefence" mode when it's brought up.

These are the people who might need a ban from the GT section, not the word.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Honestly, the only reason these cars are in a PS3 is PD's expertise.

Hmm. This I can agree with; nobody touches their fetishistic obsession with models, and their lighting model is clearly ahead of the curve.

But I agree, while they are significantly better then cars in any other game, they are not PS4 cars. If PD think they will just use the same models in the PS4 with no changes at all, well, they will only repeat the standard vs premium fiasco.

And here, oddly, I disagree. I can't see a serious need for an improvement over the Premiums for at least as long as the it's been between GT4 and GT5. They look quite real as is, and considering the huge amount of time one car takes to be completed, I don't see a need in starting from scratch. The only advances I can see is to start modelling what's under the skin more in-depth, and as time goes on, higher-resolution textures. But even without any of that - GT5 Premium images are easy to fool people into believing they're real already. I feel like any jumps after this will see the law of diminishing returns kick in. Now we're just getting incredibly speculative, though.

Wow - it's seriously quite amazing how rapidly a post from the staff asking for an end to these FM vs GT arguments can get ignored. Just because someone else takes the thread off-topic and into a FM vs GT flame-fest does not mean you have to respond to it!

Honestly you are not doing the future of this thread any good at all.

Scaff

I can only assume this was directed at me, and I see what you mean. I feel I have valid points, but this isn't the place for them. Post edited.

 

[RedSuinit]

Wow - it's seriously quite amazing how rapidly a post from the staff asking for an end to these FM vs GT arguments can get ignored. Just because someone else takes the thread off-topic and into a FM vs GT flame-fest does not mean you have to respond to it!

Honestly you are not doing the future of this thread any good at all.


Scaff

Who? What post? Did I overlook something?

 

[JDMKING13]

lol at the vocabulary fail in the facepalm pic but please... stop. Please.

C'mon on man I'm not bringing up no Forza GT debate that was an example. That is one game i play other than GT. Your making out like i'm trying to disrespect the mods i know what they said. My response was referring what i wrote to slip before. Whats your problem what you trying to bring attention to me if its that bad im sure a mod would of got me already. 👎

 

[Akira AC]

Why? There's nothing wrong with the word or mentioning the game, it's the fanboys who go into "GTDefence" mode when it's brought up.

These are the people who might need a ban from the GT section, not the word.

There is nothing wrong with the word,when is objectively said,besides is some other fanboys who go "GTOffensive"mode when they brought it up,that is what I mean,also "GTDefence" mode is bad,but the real fail here is that is becoming a fight and is not becoming an impartial analysis or discussion,not trying to became this a fight but this is the last post that I will do in this thread and to be honest all I have to say is that this thread should be or either close or lock until gamescom or new info come.

Lets hope that this discussion do not move in the "Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view" thread,that is all I have to say and by the way that it looks the admins will close this thread in any second.

 

[Dravonic]

And here, oddly, I disagree. I can't see a serious need for an improvement over the Premiums for at least as long as the it's been between GT4 and GT5. They look quite real as is, and considering the huge amount of time one car takes to be completed, I don't see a need in starting from scratch. The only advances I can see is to start modelling what's under the skin more in-depth, and as time goes on, higher-resolution textures. But even without any of that - GT5 Premium images are easy to fool people into believing they're real already. I feel like any jumps after this will see the law of diminishing returns kick in. Now we're just getting incredibly speculative, though.

Just speculation of course but I fully expect next gen cars to have multiple millions of polygons. Hell if we consider GT4 models had about 5k and GT5 cars have 500k we should expect 50 million polygon cars in the PS4. A car with just half a million will probably look very jagged when next to one with 100 times more polygons.

Of course that doesn't mean they need to start from scratch but definitely should improve them, a lot.

 

[JDMKING13]

Just speculation of course but I fully expect next gen cars to have multiple millions of polygons. Hell if we consider GT4 models had about 5k and GT5 cars have 500k we should expect 50 million polygon cars in the PS4. A car with just half a million will probably look very jagged when next to one with 100 times more polygons.

Of course that doesn't mean they need to start from scratch but definitely should improve them, a lot.

That would be scary looking, yet very satisfying. 👍