Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

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What would you have rather had PD do about "premium" vs. "standard" cars

  • Keep everthing the same

    Votes: 324 19.1%
  • Release the game later with all the cars "premium"

    Votes: 213 12.6%
  • Not do "premium" cars at all but focus on other features i.e. dynamic weather

    Votes: 134 7.9%
  • DLC packs after the release

    Votes: 844 49.8%
  • Wished PD didn't get are hopes up, lol

    Votes: 180 10.6%

  • Total voters
    1,695
I didn't say I won't play online, I will and to be honest it will be quite frequent since now we will finally get the long-time awaited private lobbies, but offline will still be unbeatable to me.

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Yes private lobbies should provide many hrs of enjoyment. Im hoping PD announce more online features during GC.

A feature I would love to see is co-op driving like we have co-op play on other games. For example a race in GT mode can be played co-operatively where your friend drives the first say 20laps and after making a pit stop you take over. Imagine doing a 24hr Nurburgring race co-operatively with 3 of your friends. See this is how online can make GT much more enjoyable.
 
Not everyone is obsessed with that stupid 'ring.
I know. Some people are Obsessed with stupid short tracks. I used to play an online game called Project torque and 95% of the time the people would be racing on stupid short tracks that take less than a minute to do a full lap in slow cars.
 
I know. Some people are Obsessed with stupid short tracks. I used to play an online game called Project torque and 95% of the time the people would be racing on stupid short tracks that take less than a minute to do a full lap in slow cars.

I think he was refering to the Nürburgring.;)

Edit, or I misunderstood your reply, if so my apology.
 
I think he was refering to the Nürburgring.;)

Edit, or I misunderstood your reply, if so my apology.

I know that. I am obsessed with that track and I totally despise those really short tracks. I rather race on ovals than those short tracks that are only any good for slow go carts.
 
No it isn't that at all. The problem is that there are so many people on here ready to jump down peoples throats just to prove a 🤬 point. Just because he isn't "a regular".


I was on this site years ago.. I'm in my 30's now.. but the amount of willy waving and "trying to prove a point" is annoying...

Just because someone isn't in the know doesn't justify someone else being a 🤬. It's hard to get a point in on this site, because there are so many people to shoot you down rather than actually be willing to listen.and be willing to explain "If that certain person was wrong" in a civil manner. From what I read Steve has a valid view.. just when he said what he did.. as is the nature of this site lately.. he got shot down...

First off unecessary language...

Secondly you will notice I answered his question quite directly originally. Only later did I mention the problem nd its the problem I am jumping on not the user (as you will see I was clear to specify).

So really you are jumping on me for something I didn't so.

And lastly sometimes seniority represents advnaced status but sometimes it represents being out of touch with the current status of things.

Its easy to judge others behavior on a whim, but it sometimes you will find a mile in their shoes changes your opinion somewhat.

Some are here for light banter and some more deeply interested. Its unfortunate you are annoyed by the latter but it gives you no right to place demands on how they post.

All I can say is you basically walked into a pub you used to go to a long time ago and instantly called out the current patrons. Perhaps spend a little time (re)aquainting yourself before getting so judgemental?

Ps before you get too full of yourself I used to help my buddy maintain his bbs when 9600 baud modems were hot and I have configured my fair share of irqs on isa modems so your not exactly standing out as some kind of internet old timer.
 
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Not everyone is obsessed with that stupid 'ring.
Them's fightin' wurds. :grumpy:


;)

Actually, I'm another one who's obsessed with the 'Ring. Like many here, I've raced it so many times that I can usually do a pretty sharp lap after not racing on it for months. Yet another reason that GT4 is still so awesome. But I'm sure that GT5 will feature a range of tracks of all lengths and lap limits to suit us all. Even the other Nurburgring tracks will be available in GT5, so you can race a short Nurb if you want to.

My issue is with PD saying repeatedly that online was going to be a part of GT4, and then it, well, not beng there. True, the readiness of the PS2 in general for online gaming was an issue, and that's more down to Sony not predicting things so well, but it's not like online was impossible for the system.
Well, there's a difference between being possible and being business suicide, but fortunately those are the old days when the net was new and the spork had just been invented.
The article seriously uses that wording?

Wow :rolleyes:
And that would definitely explain a few modeling issues plaguing the three Forzas. I'm hoping that Forza 4 finally doesn't come across as Turn 10 betaware.

As for the online deal hurting Premium car development, I don't think that was an issue at all with the Premium count being so low. The online development was handled by a software and network special team and the car modeling by another. Once again, I think this was an issue of GT PSP clobbering Polyphony. The amount of compression that went on to take something even bigger than GT4, which was more than five gigabytes, to just one gigabyte, had to be insane.

Keep in mind that all games are compressed at least somewhat. Code has to be gone over to streamline it and make it tighter while still being bug free to take up less ram and run fast. Polygon data has to be optimized to make sure backgrounds and game objects like cars look good but don't slow the game down, and the same for artwork. Textures are compressed so they stream faster, while not being compressed so much that the system has to devote too many processing cycles to "unzip" them, and the same thing for audio, with the added burden that compressed audio still has to sound very good on a good home audio system. Heck, even the physics was improved from GT5 a bit, and all that had to be a huge headache to Polyphony and Kaz.

Especially when it meant that he would be forced to drop work on his masterpiece for a game he probably considered a toy in comparison, and didn't want to work on until after GT5 was done. Just getting GT4 itself compressed an additional 5:1 or more and still running well on a brand new but "primitive" system would be a miracle, let alone a game which is even larger.

Yes, Kaz should have hired more modelers, but I'm sure that SONY was growing increasingly grumpy about writing checks to fund GT5 as it was, and evidently burned through all the profits of Prologue already. But now, after so many people threw a fit over the Standard car issue, Kaz needs to take remarks from us and go to the board and throw it in their faces. "This is what people think of what we had to do in my game. You all know how important GT is to Playstation and SONY. And you surely understand what the fans want in GT6. I need more modelers. The best modelers."

Hopefully, SONY will be understanding...
 
All I can say is you basically walked into a pub you used to go to a long time ago and instantly called out the current patrons. Perhaps spend a little time (re)aquainting yourself before getting so judgemental?


And sometimes the landlord will pop from behind the bar and tell everyone to calm the hell down because the new patrons, old patrons and ones who are re-visiting are all equally important and as long as they follow the AUP, are all welcome to contribute.


Seriously guys - how many times does this thread need a reminder?

Keep in on track, keep it polite or lose the ability to both post in it and/or post full stop.

The bar-staff here do reserve the right to ban any patron they feel is not playing by the rules.


Scaff
 
Does it really matter, i'm sure everyone on this page will buy the game and if not, why even bother coming on here? Gran Turismo is the best driving series ever and if your not going to get it, you're wasting your time on here arguing. Even if the standard cars don't have interior view, that shouldn't bother you if you're a true fan!
 
Not everyone is obsessed with that stupid 'ring.

Blasphemy. :grumpy: I'm obssessed with the ring, I'll spend half of my total time hotlapping and racing on that track, and I'm quite sure 95% of the players will do the same. Here's hoping for a longer and even twister version of Eiger too. :D

A feature I would love to see is co-op driving like we have co-op play on other games. For example a race in GT mode can be played co-operatively where your friend drives the first say 20laps and after making a pit stop you take over. Imagine doing a 24hr Nurburgring race co-operatively with 3 of your friends. See this is how online can make GT much more enjoyable.

Yeah, and this is the online experience everyone is waiting for, teaming up with some mates and racing for hours without having to take stints longer than 2 hours. That would be perfect, online track days will be awesome too.

Regarding the inclusion of a interior view for GT5 Standard convertibles, I don't support the idea, after reading some comments on how the GT4 cars look better in the dealers than in the races I started the game and checked it out. It's very true, you can see seats and steering wheels for almost all cars, even the coupés and crappy hatches like the Micra, the textures are better looking and the body lines are more rounded and smooth, the 300SL has a fully modeled console too, however, just look closer and you'll see they didn't even reseble anything acceptable as a GT5 content item, the textures are poor and the overall model allow you to see square edges and unresolved details, the exterior can be "fixed" with some quick techniques, the interior can't, so keep it out.
 
Does it really matter, i'm sure everyone on this page will buy the game and if not, why even bother coming on here? Gran Turismo is the best driving series ever and if your not going to get it, you're wasting your time on here arguing. Even if the standard cars don't have interior view, that shouldn't bother you if you're a true fan!

So you're basically saying being a fan ( which I am from the very first GT onwards ) means you should be content with every single thing PD is doing?
Interesting, so we shouldn't be discussing or debating elements which we want to see improved but just cheerleading and applauding every single aspect or decision they make?
Yes if you look at it that way, why should I indeed even bother to enter this forum at all...................:indiff:
 
Does it really matter, i'm sure everyone on this page will buy the game and if not, why even bother coming on here? Gran Turismo is the best driving series ever and if your not going to get it, you're wasting your time on here arguing. Even if the standard cars don't have interior view, that shouldn't bother you if you're a true fan!

I couldn't agree more.

BTW I have played GT4 extensively for four years and an unmeasurable amount of hours. I still probably havn't driven a half to a third of the cars in the game.
I venture with another 300 or so cars in GT5, that statistic will remain the same for most of us.

I truly believe most of the belittling going on here is undergirded with the frustrations of the overwhelming time frame we are enduring until release, and the accompanied expectations that have been allowed to foment.

Nevertheless they are still unnecessary, unbecoming, and uncalledfor.

Just for the record, "I love the Ring".
 
I see nothing special in the 'ring.

If i ever have to race that monotonous track, i'll B-spec it. Sarthe Circuit is by far better.

This is my opinion, please accept it, i don't see why i should be shot down cause of it.
 
I see nothing special in the 'ring.

If i ever have to race that monotonous track, i'll B-spec it. Sarthe Circuit is by far better.

This is my opinion, please accept it, i don't see why i should be shot down cause of it.

By all means fellow GT enthusiast.

I like that one too, just not as much.



EDIT: Each track has its own personality and unique challenges.

I can honestly say, save for one, there isn't a track in GT4 I don't like racing on. Some certainly I like more than others.
 
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I see nothing special in the 'ring.

If i ever have to race that monotonous track, i'll B-spec it. Sarthe Circuit is by far better.
Eh, Le Sarthe is boring and monotonous. ;) But it is a great track for supercars and high spec racing machines. Fortunately, Gran Turismo games usually have about the best range of tracks in a racing game. Toca was better, but it's long since dead. Long live the king!

So you're basically saying being a fan ( which I am from the very first GT onwards ) means you should be content with every single thing PD is doing?
Interesting, so we shouldn't be discussing or debating elements which we want to see improved but just cheerleading and applauding every single aspect or decision they make?
Well now, surely you would admit that some of the "criticism" of the Standard cars is a bit over the top. Saying things like they have no business even being in GT5, I'm adamantly and loudly in opposition to. Those guys can just play their 200 some odd Premium cars, while the rest of us can enjoy the entire experience.

I really need to get going with my gallery, because after spending weeks now in GT4's Photo Mode, I'm just amazed at how good that crusty old game looks when properly rendered. I'd suggest you guys browse the galleries too, but so many of them are Photoshopped. A much better representation would be mine which will be edit free, and contrary to what SlipZtrEm insists, the pics don't need extra help to look really good.

And these will be rendered in the archaic GT4 engine, not the spiffy, glossy, pristine, color correct GT5 renderer. I can hardly wait to get my camera on all the cars in GT5.

I will admit one caveat, that I may well be tempted too use some editing on the Standard cars in GT5, but it depends on how much work on them Kaz and the lads are doing to make sure they look up to snuff. As with all things GT, we'll see. ;)
 
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By all means fellow GT enthusiast.

I like that one too, just not as much.



EDIT: Each track has its own personality and unique challenges.

I can honestly say, save for one, there isn't a track in GT4 I don't like racing on. Some certainly I like more than others.

Yeah, everyone has his own favorite track. I love Monaco, eventhough its so short. Last wednesday I hotlapped 3 hours there with the PF1 in GTPSP, trying everything possible to breack the real F1 lap records.

Hm, I don`t want so sound to offtopic, so I should talk about something else now :D

Does anybody here now what "premium" tracks are (In one gameplay vid we could see that the Ring was marked as "premium")? Please don`t tell me that they are going to port tracks from GT4 too :scared:
 
Well now, surely you would admit that some of the "criticism" of the Standard cars is a bit over the top. Saying things like they have no business even being in GT5, I'm adamantly and loudly in opposition to. Those guys can just play their 200 some odd Premium cars, while the rest of us can enjoy the entire experience.

You quoted my reaction to someone which was speaking in general about the fact you can express criticism and still admire or be a fan of GT which was questioned by this person in saying a "true fan" shouldn't be bothered by these issues.

As for the issue itself, the only aspect which I was adamantly and loudly expressing dissapointment for regarding P and S is the possible lack of interior/cockpit view ( which is something I know you don't mind very much which is fair enough ) and not the graphical differences so much ( which there are ofcourse ).:)
 
Does anybody here now what "premium" tracks are (In one gameplay vid we could see that the Ring was marked as "premium")? Please don`t tell me that they are going to port tracks from GT4 too :scared:
So far, we don't know anything about it, at least to my knowledge.

Personally, I doubt they're going to implement standard tracks. Or at least, I hope so. After the torn reception of the standard cars, they're better of going with just a smaller number of premium tracks than adding standard tracks, imho.
 
So far, we don't know anything about it, at least to my knowledge.

Personally, I doubt they're going to implement standard tracks. Or at least, I hope so. After the torn reception of the standard cars, they're better of going with just a smaller number of premium tracks than adding standard tracks, imho.

Again I disagree.

I would much rather have standard tracks alongside premium tracks. The reason being is although graphically the standard tracks wouldn't be as impressive at least it gives us more variety to race on. I can assure you playing the same tracks over again becomes very tiresome very quickly. This is especially true when racing against friends online.

Sorry but in my opinion their is too much fixation with graphics on this thread.
 
Regarding the inclusion of a interior view for GT5 Standard convertibles, I don't support the idea, after reading some comments on how the GT4 cars look better in the dealers than in the races I started the game and checked it out. It's very true, you can see seats and steering wheels for almost all cars, even the coupés and crappy hatches like the Micra, the textures are better looking and the body lines are more rounded and smooth, the 300SL has a fully modeled console too, however, just look closer and you'll see they didn't even reseble anything acceptable as a GT5 content item, the textures are poor and the overall model allow you to see square edges and unresolved details, the exterior can be "fixed" with some quick techniques, the interior can't, so keep it out.

Its been said by Kaz recently that the GT5 premium cars are future proof. Its hard to imagine but i think they have even more detail than what the PS3 is able to render. I'm sure that he said the same thing about cars from GT4 as well. I'm hoping the 'poor' detail in GT4 was in fact better at base than it came out, due to the limitations of the PS2. Maybe they'll look better on the PS3 when they 'enhance and upscale through the GT5 engine'. Whatever that meant.

Personally I'm of the opinion now that, if standard cars are below par, AND have no cockpit, I will just try my damnedest to progress through the career using premium cars only. It wont be too difficult and I wont be missing out. I still have over 200 cars of which most are bloody awesome!
 
Wow ! Whats with that driver without a helmet on?

I saw a move/eye ad where users were able to use there faces in some party game hmm...
 
. Maybe they'll look better on the PS3 when they 'enhance and upscale through the GT5 engine'. Whatever that meant.

Pe!
I would appreciate if someone technically minded could explain the above. Been thinking about this ever since I read it in the magazine.

Speaking of magazines I have another magazine that now confirms track editor, weather.:)
 
Again I disagree.

I would much rather have standard tracks alongside premium tracks. The reason being is although graphically the standard tracks wouldn't be as impressive at least it gives us more variety to race on. I can assure you playing the same tracks over again becomes very tiresome very quickly. This is especially true when racing against friends online.

Sorry but in my opinion their is too much fixation with graphics on this thread.
You know, it's not only the graphics I'm concerned with. The standard cars miss out on some of the features I'm interested in, and if PD actually introduced standard tracks which have been carried over from GT4, I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't support the day/night cycle or weather.

I would appreciate if someone technically minded could explain the above. Been thinking about this ever since I read it in the magazine.
They're probably reffering to the HD textures used for the cars as well as the improved lighting the GT5 engine provides. That's about all that could be done without reworking the models, I guess.
 
Personally I'm of the opinion now that, if standard cars are below par, AND have no cockpit, I will just try my damnedest to progress through the career using premium cars only. It wont be too difficult and I wont be missing out. I still have over 200 cars of which most are bloody awesome!

Unfortunately, you'll be losing your house though. ;)

GT5 will have cockpit for all cars.. I'd bet my house on it... care to wager?
 
Unfortunately, you'll be losing your house though. ;)

lol :lol:

As yet no one else has been willing to put there house on the line with me.. So i'm safe :embarrassed: for now :scared:

I do still think we will have cockpits for standard cars. Even if they arent that pretty. We will see. No need to get onto that particular debate again ;) 👍
 
lol :lol:

As yet no one else has been willing to put there house on the line with me.. So i'm safe :embarrassed: for now :scared:

I do still think we will have cockpits for standard cars. Even if they arent that pretty. We will see. No need to get onto that particular debate again ;) 👍

I always thought that saying meant "I am so sure in what I am saying, if I am wrong I will give you _____" and what you are talking about would be said more like "I am so sure of this I would take someones bet of something against my ____"

The difference being that the former is a strong enough position that there is literally no way you could be wrong.

Examples:

I am so sure the moon is not cheese I would bet my life on it.

I know for a fact I will not loose.

vs

I am so sure the moon has no water on it I will put up $100 on it, who's game.

I am sure enough to risk $100 with the potential to gain $100.
 
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