Zeta News 2.0: New VF Commodore and Chevrolet SS
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), but if they can make it look as mean, I'll go for it.
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Zeta, Alpha, both RWD for GM, looky looky:
Personally, I see this as the first steps to a mid-size RWD Holden, which may well become the main product for Holden, and something I'd buy over the Camaro hands down considering we get a 3.6L DI V6 version.
Personally, I see this as the first steps to a mid-size RWD Holden, which may well become the main product for Holden, and something I'd buy over the Camaro hands down considering we get a 3.6L DI V6 version.
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They've been talking about it for well over a year now, I'm interested to see what they can do based off the Zeta II (Camaro) chassis. The key here is going to be making it lightweight and flexible, as I'm under the impression that this will replace the Kappa platform as well.
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Prices for the Camaro revealed.
30K for the SS!? Holy smokes. With the 370Z likely starting between 30 and 35, the Mustang sticking to its 1,000 year old chassis, and the Charger SRT costing 40k, is there going to be any need for discussion when looking to buy? I had just assumed I would be getting a 370Z, but if this thing can actually corner, there may be one in my future.
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I just want to point out that as a child I looked up to my uncle who drove Mustangs exclusively, and I had a lot of second-hand hatred of GM due to that fact. So keeping in the spirit of my childhood (and since ALL my posts are negative and I'm a Z fanboy) I must point out that the Camaro was only 2 seconds faster than a 350Z around the 'Ring.
30K for the SS!? Holy smokes. With the 370Z likely starting between 30 and 35, the Mustang sticking to its 1,000 year old chassis, and the Charger SRT costing 40k, is there going to be any need for discussion when looking to buy? I had just assumed I would be getting a 370Z, but if this thing can actually corner, there may be one in my future.
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I just want to point out that as a child I looked up to my uncle who drove Mustangs exclusively, and I had a lot of second-hand hatred of GM due to that fact. So keeping in the spirit of my childhood (and since ALL my posts are negative and I'm a Z fanboy) I must point out that the Camaro was only 2 seconds faster than a 350Z around the 'Ring.
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That'd be a steal right there. If the LS is coming in at just over $22K, I imagine the LT with the RS package (what I'd want) would probably ring up right around $25-27K, smack on the money for a Ford Mustang GT.
A job well done, GM. Lets hope you can sell them...
A job well done, GM. Lets hope you can sell them...
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If the 2010 Camaro is, as Ed Peper said, "a 21st century sports car for the young and the young at heart," then this is the race car for those actual and spiritual whippersnappers. The Camaro GS Race Car Concept takes its inspiration from the Trans Am racer of Mark Donohue, but Riley Technologies updates it with a just a few go-fast add-ons. The body is seam-welded, the hood, trunk lid, and doors are swapped for carbon fiber components, and in the front a racing radiator and an upgraded engine cooler are fitted. The production LS3 V8 swaps gears though a Tremec close-ration six-speed gearbox, and all those spent hydrocarbons exit through three-inch dual exhaust pipes. Even better than all that: you can buy it from Riley for the 2009 Grand Am season.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/03/sema-2008-camaro-gs-race-car-concept-live-reveal/
http://www.grand-am.com/koni/
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That is epic-awesome. It was supposed to be designed to run in the Koni Challenge (formerly SPEED Challenge) directly against the Ford Mustang and BMW 3-series. This is going to be one helluva awesome race season if they can make it competitive, and I really hope there are enough buyers out there to keep the project alive!
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MIEN!!! I WANT!
Actually, I would buy a car with the Donohue sticker package...
Actually, I would buy a car with the Donohue sticker package...
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Yes, the GS class in the koni challenge really is like 21st century Trans-AM. BMW, Ford, Pontiac,Chevy, HEMI's, Porsche and Datsun if im not mistaken were all in the classic series.
Since the ST class is basically American BTCC, Koni good enough for me but if dodge can sell their Challenger Targa to racing teams in the series then this will be a huge hit.
Thats a separate series ran by the SCCA
Since the ST class is basically American BTCC, Koni good enough for me but if dodge can sell their Challenger Targa to racing teams in the series then this will be a huge hit.
Thats a separate series ran by the SCCA
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Pre-Orders Are In!
Nice! I'd really love to find out how many are in the V6 RS trim (what I'd probably order), but we won't know that for a while. I've still yet to see an early build model, but nevertheless, I'm very excited to see what comes of the car in the next few months. They're supposed to start coming by March, apparently my Dad still has his name on a list for an SS, but I don't know if he'll be getting it anymore.
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Nice! I'd really love to find out how many are in the V6 RS trim (what I'd probably order), but we won't know that for a while. I've still yet to see an early build model, but nevertheless, I'm very excited to see what comes of the car in the next few months. They're supposed to start coming by March, apparently my Dad still has his name on a list for an SS, but I don't know if he'll be getting it anymore.
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y'know, My Ardor for the Camaro has cooled a bit. I'm really liking that 370Z...
I'd still take the Penske stripe package...
I'd still take the Penske stripe package...
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So, I've Spent Some Time With One...
The first thought that came to my mind is that, I'm happy its finally here. The second thought was, the base LS package shouldn't be available in this color. It looks very plain in this trim, and not completely in the good way. I'm not sure if the Victory Red looks "right" there, maybe it was the lighting, I don't know. But, overall, its a very good-looking car when compared to basic Challengers and Mustangs. For the most part, the small details are still there: The stamped "gills" behind the door, chrome trim around the tail lights, and very well-done chrome exhaust tips.
Two odd things? The standard square GM badge looks weird on the front corners of the car. If I were buying one, I'd likely take them off. Also, when you pop the hood, the engine cover is literally taken directly off the CTS 3.6 DI, the only difference being the Chevrolet badge on it.
As far as the interior goes, it was neither spectacular, or completely bad. I think that in the context of it being a $23K car, its actually pretty nice, certainly on-par with most current Toyota quality plastics and buttons. The setup is very nice, everything within reach, although it may take a while to get used to the way the center console is set up. Notice that the gauges are gone down low as well, my guess is that they're only available on the RS or SS (SS/RS) models.
The steering wheel is thick, fits about right, but the shape is going to take some getting used to. Its the only GM car I can think of that isn't using one of the corporate wheels, so thats special I suppose. The gauges are pretty cool peeking out through there as well. Its less "meh" than the Challenger's, but I've yet to decide if they're really that much better than the Mustang. More or less a neat design, but no real functional advantage to it. I'd say that the best part of the interior was the seat design, certainly one of the best I've been in for a while. They hug you tightly, and even as cloth seats, the quality feels pretty good. I'm interested to see what the SS version's seats will be like, as I'm sure they'll do the job just a bit better. I did not get a chance to crawl in the back, but when my youngest brother did, there wasn't that much room back there for him (hes only eight years of age). We'll have to see when I have more time to be in one, much less drive it.
Overall, I'm pretty impressed. They've managed to bring a car from concept to production in little more than four years, and in the process, they didn't drop off too much of the stuff that had been promised before. Being a V6 LS, it wasn't exactly representative of how good the SS will likely be, but as a starting point, it certainly gives me a lot of hope for it to be a top-notch car in a growing segment.
The first thought that came to my mind is that, I'm happy its finally here. The second thought was, the base LS package shouldn't be available in this color. It looks very plain in this trim, and not completely in the good way. I'm not sure if the Victory Red looks "right" there, maybe it was the lighting, I don't know. But, overall, its a very good-looking car when compared to basic Challengers and Mustangs. For the most part, the small details are still there: The stamped "gills" behind the door, chrome trim around the tail lights, and very well-done chrome exhaust tips.
Two odd things? The standard square GM badge looks weird on the front corners of the car. If I were buying one, I'd likely take them off. Also, when you pop the hood, the engine cover is literally taken directly off the CTS 3.6 DI, the only difference being the Chevrolet badge on it.
As far as the interior goes, it was neither spectacular, or completely bad. I think that in the context of it being a $23K car, its actually pretty nice, certainly on-par with most current Toyota quality plastics and buttons. The setup is very nice, everything within reach, although it may take a while to get used to the way the center console is set up. Notice that the gauges are gone down low as well, my guess is that they're only available on the RS or SS (SS/RS) models.
The steering wheel is thick, fits about right, but the shape is going to take some getting used to. Its the only GM car I can think of that isn't using one of the corporate wheels, so thats special I suppose. The gauges are pretty cool peeking out through there as well. Its less "meh" than the Challenger's, but I've yet to decide if they're really that much better than the Mustang. More or less a neat design, but no real functional advantage to it. I'd say that the best part of the interior was the seat design, certainly one of the best I've been in for a while. They hug you tightly, and even as cloth seats, the quality feels pretty good. I'm interested to see what the SS version's seats will be like, as I'm sure they'll do the job just a bit better. I did not get a chance to crawl in the back, but when my youngest brother did, there wasn't that much room back there for him (hes only eight years of age). We'll have to see when I have more time to be in one, much less drive it.
Overall, I'm pretty impressed. They've managed to bring a car from concept to production in little more than four years, and in the process, they didn't drop off too much of the stuff that had been promised before. Being a V6 LS, it wasn't exactly representative of how good the SS will likely be, but as a starting point, it certainly gives me a lot of hope for it to be a top-notch car in a growing segment.
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-> The wheels/rims looks bad on it.
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Also. You can tell a car is a behemoth when 18s look too small.
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Yeah, but what trim level? Priced equally, the comparos would be the turbo 4 Genesis vs. the 300hp Camaro V6 vs. the 200hp Mustang V6.
Although thinking about it now, that doesn't seem that ridiculous. At first it seemed like that'd be a Camaro cake walk, but it is a but heavier. Mustang and GenCoupe shouldn't be too far behind.
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I think its the color, because in ABM, it looks great:
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2010 Camaro: Official Daytona 500 Pace Car!
Not much other than a sticker pack. Looks nice though...
RE: Size of the Car
Its big, but not that big. The Challenger looks huge compared to it, but the Camaro is certainly bigger than the Mustang, mostly in width. I'd want to drive it if the weight is that easily detected.
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I'm wondering...
It's unfortunate that the styling looks so incredibly chunky and overweight on the base model car... and, yes, I know the car's final design was written off a long time ago... but it would be nice to see that with a little less pork up top (shave the trunk down, ease off on the hood bulge, give the thing some actual windows instead of mail-slots)... something that would probably help boost sales in these consumption-conscious times...
It's unfortunate that the styling looks so incredibly chunky and overweight on the base model car... and, yes, I know the car's final design was written off a long time ago... but it would be nice to see that with a little less pork up top (shave the trunk down, ease off on the hood bulge, give the thing some actual windows instead of mail-slots)... something that would probably help boost sales in these consumption-conscious times...
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In 2011 most likely.
Unfortunately that will mean that the Mustang will not get a fair chance at the 2010 COTYs from the various mags and etc. Unless the Camaro is worse than we think, it will probably get it. Or the GenCoupe. (And no, it wouldn't be the first impractical choice from at least Motor Trend... 2002, remember it?)
Unfortunately that will mean that the Mustang will not get a fair chance at the 2010 COTYs from the various mags and etc. Unless the Camaro is worse than we think, it will probably get it. Or the GenCoupe. (And no, it wouldn't be the first impractical choice from at least Motor Trend... 2002, remember it?)
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Or whatever engine of theirs is putting out 300 horses.
