Zeta News: Holden Pres Says Camaro Prototypes Due By X-Mas
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My best mate is working on these cars in Oz. We grew up together. They're working frantically now to get them finished.
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...Have you tinkered with the L76 V8 yet down in AUS? Production models equipped with the engine are just starting to come out there in the US, but they are (so far) only available in our SUVs, and presumably pickups when the next-gen models debut sometime next year.
I'm crossing my fingers they eventually end up putting it in our new Zeta models, but we will see what happens...
I'm crossing my fingers they eventually end up putting it in our new Zeta models, but we will see what happens...
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I haven't tinkered with it personally yet, it entered our market very quietly really, Hardly anyone here knows about it. I said to my friends recently (also car guys, one which works in a high performance tuning workshop)
"You do know the latest Commodore and Statesman is a 6.0L gen IV engine dont you?"
His reply
"Whaaa........really?"
Very little tuning has been done with it so far from what I have seen, I suspect I will start seeing cams, Supercharger kits etc in the near future.
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VIPERGTSR01I think they made the headlights and fender combo very Falcon-like.
Check these pics to compare
Especialy the way the headlight cuts into the flatish type mud gaurd (fender/wing).
Somethnig looks a bit fishy there. At first i thought the front of the commodore is heavily camoflaged. From spy shots ive seen in motor magazine the chagne in the front from VZ to VE is more substantial. But on second thoughts, looking a bit closer it does look genuine.
Overall it looks good, and quite european, with hints of Audi and BMW styling cues (check the high wasteline, C pillar).
So, approximately how heavy is this platform going to be? The Commodore is pretty portly, is it not?
Onikaze, you know better than that.
Speaking of your feelings towards Wrong-Wheel-Drive (which I share), one of the things you said in a different post has become sort of a catch-phrase among my friends: "Awesome, now we can all stop pretending that front-wheel-drives don't handle like complete ass!"
Onikaze
Onikaze, you know better than that.
Speaking of your feelings towards Wrong-Wheel-Drive (which I share), one of the things you said in a different post has become sort of a catch-phrase among my friends: "Awesome, now we can all stop pretending that front-wheel-drives don't handle like complete ass!"
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Don't know yet, my guess is it will be about the same as the previous Commodores 1500-1600kg's (3300-3500lb's) which is pretty heavy.
Some American magazine claimed Commodore would weigh 4000lb's (1800kg+) due to our strict crash testing laws....... made me laugh
VIPERGTSR01Don't know yet, my guess is it will be about the same as the previous Commodores 1500-1600kg's (3300-3500lb's) which is pretty heavy.
Some American magazine claimed Commodore would weigh 4000lb's (1800kg+) due to our strict crash testing laws....... made me laugh
Actually, 3300-3500lbs. isn't bad at all these days. That's about "mid-size," as I see it. Cars just keep on getting heavier and heavier.
3300-3500lbs wouldn't be bad at all for a Impala.
A Camaro would be able to get down less then a Mustang so it would probably have an Acceleration advantage to go with the Horsepower one, but if it's got a 6.0 I'd see it costing a bit more than the Mustang.
A 5.3 Maro might be closer.
Oh, glad to provide quotable quotes!
A Camaro would be able to get down less then a Mustang so it would probably have an Acceleration advantage to go with the Horsepower one, but if it's got a 6.0 I'd see it costing a bit more than the Mustang.
A 5.3 Maro might be closer.
Oh, glad to provide quotable quotes!
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4000 lbs-ish wouldn't be horrible in a full-size sedan with a V8 or a powerful V6, but in Camaro or Monte Carlo, that would be God awful to do so.
I'd peg the weight of the Camaro pretty close to the Mustang GT500, maybe less a few pounds, so less than 3900 lbs. Of course, a lot of that depends on how liberally aluminum will be used not only in the construction of the car, but with the engines as well. I wouldn't put it at any less than 3500 for any Zeta model, but no more than a bit of 4000 for the full-size Invicta/Statesman/Caprice.
I'd peg the weight of the Camaro pretty close to the Mustang GT500, maybe less a few pounds, so less than 3900 lbs. Of course, a lot of that depends on how liberally aluminum will be used not only in the construction of the car, but with the engines as well. I wouldn't put it at any less than 3500 for any Zeta model, but no more than a bit of 4000 for the full-size Invicta/Statesman/Caprice.
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There's speculation in the Motor City that GM will announce plans to produce the Camaro ahead of the October 31 SEMA show, according to the Detroit News. In early April, organizers of the 2006 Specialty Equipment Market Association show announced the event would have an increased focus on muscle cars, with Ford, General Motors and DaimlerChrysler teaming up to jointly display their latest offerings as they share the title of "Vehicle Manufacturers of the Show." The Ford Mustang GT500, Chevrolet Camaro, and Dodge Challenger will share the limelight at the event, organizers said. While there's no concrete evidence that GM is getting ready to make an announcement, it's unlikely the automaker would go into the show as the only automaker without production plans. On July 1st, Chrysler announced it would produce the Challenger as a 2008 model.
"The Mustang, Camaro and Challenger helped bring many of our industry's earliest businesses into being," said SEMA President and CEO Christopher J. Kersting. "The current production and concept versions of those fabled cars are now kindling similar passion in a new generation of auto enthusiasts and are once again providing opportunities for our member companies."
"The idea of collaboration is particularly appropriate this year, the 40th anniversary of the SEMA Show," noted Kersting. "Our roots and our heritage have evolved with the musclecars of today, so it is fitting that we're celebrating our past while working with OEMs that are looking to the future. They share the passion that our member companies have built their businesses on, so it's a very good fit."
Awesome to see things work out that way. They need to get to the announcement though, as I think it could do a lot to bring excitement and other attention to the brand. But what is really cool is that GM, Ford and DCX will share the spotlight at this year's SEMA, a trade show that is usually dominated by the import crowd.
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I wrote an article about four or five years ago for a class about how the American automotive industry is on the verge of a renissance unlike anything we had seen since the post-war years and the musclecar era. Although our progess since 2001 has been full of stops and other non-pleasant news items, I would seem as though we are on the verge of it actually occuring on a grand scale.
...Seeing the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger together is quite frankly the start of great things that are to come. Chrysler is getting ready to roll out the new LY cars, updated and hopefully lighter to compete against GM's upcomming Zeta/VE models that we have been waiting for nearly a decade. Although Ford hasn't said anything to specifically point out a RWD sedan, its comming, and if I was a betting man, a larger RWD coupe ala Torino seems likely as well.
We are in an American car revolution I belive, and although it took many years to get here, financial woes and all, I'm happy to finially see it happen.
...Seeing the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger together is quite frankly the start of great things that are to come. Chrysler is getting ready to roll out the new LY cars, updated and hopefully lighter to compete against GM's upcomming Zeta/VE models that we have been waiting for nearly a decade. Although Ford hasn't said anything to specifically point out a RWD sedan, its comming, and if I was a betting man, a larger RWD coupe ala Torino seems likely as well.
We are in an American car revolution I belive, and although it took many years to get here, financial woes and all, I'm happy to finially see it happen.
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More news today on the GTO:
Hmmm, I don't know about the GTO concept, but I wouldn't be upset if they shared their looks once again. The car just needs to be more agressive, thats all...
Leftlanenews.comn an interview with Australia's Age newspaper, GM designer Michael Simcoe said there will be another Holden Monaro "eventually, but it won't be here in the next six months or year or so." The last Monaro was recently discontinued alongside the Pontiac GTO. The GTO, was, of course, a rebadged version of the Holden coupe.
Mr. Simcoe said the next Monaro will be rebadged in a similar manner. "We'd want to find a sister vehicle to give us some volumes so that you could do the job properly."
While Simcoe didn't say if that car would be the GTO, it seems like the most likely scenario. He said the new Monaro is not currently under development, which means it's very unlikely it will be a clone of the production Camaro, which is already believed to be deep into development.
While the idea of the Monaro and GTO being twins again may irk GM enthusiasts, the act of badge-engineering was not what most analysts feel led to the downfall of the GTO. Rather, common wisdom is that the car's styling was insufficient in the first place.
Recent rumors have suggested the next GTO will have similar levels of aggressiveness to the 1999 GTO Concept (pictured). If true, this would likely mean an American design will be imported to Australia — the reverse of what happened with the Monaro and GTO.
In March, GM Vice Chariman confirmed the GTO program was a go. He told AutoWeek the new GTO project was only on hold for two months, but had since been revived. While no timeframe was given, most enthusiasts expect the new model in 2009 or 2010.
Hmmm, I don't know about the GTO concept, but I wouldn't be upset if they shared their looks once again. The car just needs to be more agressive, thats all...
