Creation vs. Evolution
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Maybe you didn't read my post carefully enough. I never said evolution wasn't scientific, I never said it shouldn't be taught in science class.
What I said was, if they are going to teach evolution as a origin theory, they should also explore other origin theories as well. Since origin theories cannot be proven, they should not be taught in the science class. There are other classes that would better suit those discussions.
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Actually, it's a war over territory. But you didn't know that. And the funny thing is, that Jews and Arabs are cousins.
Ok, so Napolean was trying to spread Christianity? And Alexander that great was all about spreading his particular theology? And I'm sure all the mongals wanted to do was to change the chinese to their belief system. Umm, no. For every conflict that you cite in the name of religion there are greater ones for pure greed(WWII for instance). So don't come to me saying that religion and spirituality is evil. It's the people, just as it's always been. Not everyone is evil, but some of us yield to the evil tendancies and poof, you have yourself a dictator.
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I think it's real nice that you have time to waste insulting my opinions, but what I find funny is that all you were able to do in that insanely long reply was, well, insult me.
Very nice.
And I say again, this time hoping for a respectful answer (although I'll doubtfully get one), does evolution show me where we came from, or does it just presume because of other evidence that we must've come from "insertsomethinghere".
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Yes they do . CREATION is not a theory its DOGMA . Thats why outside of religion based course you will not see it side by side with science ...BECAUSE ITS NOT .
The problem is some numbnuts are trying to claim ITS SCIENCE and should be taught . Hence this thread was started . And ....where is that dead horse when I need to kick it ?
The problem is some numbnuts are trying to claim ITS SCIENCE and should be taught . Hence this thread was started . And ....where is that dead horse when I need to kick it ?
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Native Americans stopped being slaughtered 200 years ago, muslims, and whatever those who live in Sri Lanka and Sierra Leone and Somalia and Kenya are, are still being slaughtered and its' completely ignored. But that's not my point.
My point is, religion, while it may be full of nice little morals, is also VERY personal to others, and they take it waaay too seriously and end up killing people because they don't believe the same thing.
And I'm not just talking about Christianity, there are other religions out there, you know.
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Stopped in Canada, I don't know when you stopped killing your own people though.
Is there anything I'm willing to die for? Well, if not a person, then what?
An ideal, huh? Like, for a company? A "cause"? Most "cause"'s are for other people so...
That would probably be a no, but I'd need a specific ideal.
Would you?
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Somewhat askew of the topic now aren't we, gentlemen?
Anyhow, continuing the multiple-thread-hijack, PS, I have to confess that my Canadian history is very patchy, which is shameful considering that a lot of it used to be 'ours'.
Still, it surprises me to hear you attest that the marginalising and general persecution of the native Indians stopped over two centuries ago. Is that correct? I would've thought that it went right on up until much more recently than that (when we Europeans finally developed something of a conscience about the whole genocide thing
)?
If you don't know for sure, can you point me towards some links/books that can correct my ignorance?
Anyhow, continuing the multiple-thread-hijack, PS, I have to confess that my Canadian history is very patchy, which is shameful considering that a lot of it used to be 'ours'.
Still, it surprises me to hear you attest that the marginalising and general persecution of the native Indians stopped over two centuries ago. Is that correct? I would've thought that it went right on up until much more recently than that (when we Europeans finally developed something of a conscience about the whole genocide thing
)? If you don't know for sure, can you point me towards some links/books that can correct my ignorance?
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Did this come about on its own due to randomness and mutations? Is the passing of time responsible for this? I simply cannot believe that. The bones, the muscles, the nerves, did all these things, none which can work without the other, slowly come together due to the creature needing them? Did a creature suddenly grow a heart? How do creatures with hearts survive before they had a heart? What about the vessels, lungs and myriads of other things a human needs to live? Did we simply gain these things one at a time, then when the time was right they started working?
Where did the plants come from? Did life evolve plants on land and life in the water at the same time? What did the amphibians eat once on land if there was no insects or any other life?
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Did this come about on its own due to randomness and mutations? Is the passing of time responsible for this? I simply cannot believe that. The bones, the muscles, the nerves, did all these things, none which can work without the other, slowly come together due to the creature needing them? Did a creature suddenly grow a heart? How do creatures with hearts survive before they had a heart? What about the vessels, lungs and myriads of other things a human needs to live? Did we simply gain these things one at a time, then when the time was right they started working?
Where did the plants come from? Did life evolve plants on land and life in the water at the same time? What did the amphibians eat once on land if there was no insects or any other life?
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God exists
My God Earth... how many times are you going to go back to the same exact argument?
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Evolution ISN'T chance. Chance dictates a portion of genetic variation. If they attribute to physical variations, ie resistance to chemicals or a tendency to split, and if the physical attribute contributes to the survivability of the organism in it's current enviroment, then it will continue to thrive.
Wrong theory.
Cells in colonies presented a higher chance for survivability for the species. Colonies of single-celled organisms are quite common today.
If the organism is quite successful as a species, then further changes towards codependency and specialization within the cells of the colonies could spark the evolutionary drive towards multicellular organisms, IE plants and animals.
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I know this has been a long thread chaps and I'm not sure that I've read all of it but it seems to me that a simple, unelaborated, dismissal of Earth's points isn't really good enough.
I too have serious misgivings about the veracity of evolutionary theory that are to some extent founded on such concerns as Earth has voiced (and I'm not a Creationist either, before the science-camp attack dogs start biting). I can quite easily accept the adaptation of existing creatures to their surroundings and environmental pressures but there are some things that don't pass the scepticism filter so easily. Such as the evolution of organs that don't actually work or give any advantage until they're fully formed or the evolution of organs that (as far as we know) we don't actually need or make use of properly (the brain for one
).
Any answers that aren't glib or trite will be gratefully received as it's not many weeks until my annual debate with my father about why I don't believe in God and why the story of Creation doesn't convince me when I see all too well the flaws in Evolutionary theory.
I too have serious misgivings about the veracity of evolutionary theory that are to some extent founded on such concerns as Earth has voiced (and I'm not a Creationist either, before the science-camp attack dogs start biting). I can quite easily accept the adaptation of existing creatures to their surroundings and environmental pressures but there are some things that don't pass the scepticism filter so easily. Such as the evolution of organs that don't actually work or give any advantage until they're fully formed or the evolution of organs that (as far as we know) we don't actually need or make use of properly (the brain for one
).Any answers that aren't glib or trite will be gratefully received as it's not many weeks until my annual debate with my father about why I don't believe in God and why the story of Creation doesn't convince me when I see all too well the flaws in Evolutionary theory.
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How about you stfu and listen to people for once. You don't know a damn thing about what you're talking about, there are quadrillions of single-cell creatures living on this planet. How about jellyfish? Those don't have hearts, or brains, and yet are deadly enough to send grown men into shock and some can even kill. I'm not sugar-coating anything, cells didn't come from dead matter, they came from acids, proteins, and other biological matter. If it was dead, it wouldn't be life, now would it?
They didn't come from dirt, either. Did you know a worm has 5 hearts? That's evolution. Did you know that a 100lb monkey can out-arm wrestle a 300lb man? That's evolution. Did you know a cow has 4 stomachs to digest grasses? That's evolution. Evolution is not chance, evolution is purpose, and evolution is what makes us be.
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We talked about this didn't we?
I explained how evolution is a logical consequence of shared genetic infor.... forget it.
Did you mean planets?
You've gotten them multiple times at this point, complete with a fossil record illustration showing how multiple species have evolved from one and how species have evolved into different... forget it.
