Super GT/JGTC Shootout - 07/06 - Shootout Officially Finished!
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Onboy123Eh, not too fond of clueless after our recent scrape, so nope, screw that.
I'll probably start drip feeding you lot just for fun, come to think of it.I wonder...times first or feedback first?
I know, Clueless guys can be real jerks sometimes.
Onboy123Alright, 2 tests only, but that's because, as said, family > feedback, so deal with it.
Krenkme’s Nomad Diablo GT1- 1:38.981
-Twitchy at the limits, just how I like it, LSD kills chance of extreme oversteer unless it’s in the low speed chicanes.
-Good top end pull from 5th - 6th, but is beaten in terms of acceleration in 2nd - 4th by others
-Toned down (read as- better) version of my NSX in terms of feel, twitchy and unnerving, but won’t do you much harm.
However… for some reason, I’m slower in this car than everyone else is…
Aahhhhhh, feedback
.Thanks Onboy, I knew I should have spent more time with the transmission, but that's what I get for taking the car and limiting the engine down, and not really working out the kinks. And of course you're slower in it... it's mine
.Now go spend more time with your family. Thanks again.
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I am. He needs to accept my FR first. I've driven his online version, kicked everyone's arse in the room until the host got so fed up he had to use SRF to keep up.
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*DOUBLE POST*
OH COME ON. Am I the only one testing?!
And I'm the one with exams to deal with left, right and center, so quite what the hell is so hard I don't know. The track's not terribly difficult, the cars aren't that slow and there's no overflow of tuners either.
HURRY UP NAO!!!!!!1111!!1!!!
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In other news, Adrenaline's car is now being tested.
OH COME ON. Am I the only one testing?!
And I'm the one with exams to deal with left, right and center, so quite what the hell is so hard I don't know. The track's not terribly difficult, the cars aren't that slow and there's no overflow of tuners either. HURRY UP NAO!!!!!!1111!!1!!!
[/rage]In other news, Adrenaline's car is now being tested.
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According to the list, you aren't even a tester Onboy Just a tuner.
Just a tuner.
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According to the list, you aren't even a tester Onboy
Er you don't say?
And I have no intents on completing every car in the field, just the ones that interest me.
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Oh that sort of testing
Not official testing
Not official testing
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Oh that sort of testing
Not official testing
You just realised?
And if the next post by an official tester is not something directly related to some feedback (and has to actually contain feedback, not just use the word in a sentence), people are going to start to get hurt. Bad.
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Onboy123You just realised?
And if the next post by an official tester is not something directly related to some feedback (and has to actually contain feedback, not just use the word in a sentence), people are going to start to get hurt. Bad.
Seconded.
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Still need a FR accept from CSLACR. And just fired off a FR to Grinols.
About to start testing the GT500s now. Wanted to do a bit of practice beforehand, using manual transmission for the first time
Some pre-test data in case you find it interesting... using my own cars the times I've gotten so far:
1:38.184 - Nismo GTR '03
1:38.488 - Tom' Supra '97
1:38.521 - Nismo GTR '08
1:38.957 - Arta NSX '06
1:39.324 - Denso SC430 '08
Some were power-limited more than others, so I dunno if that affected results. No turbos or dirty oil tricks
Max downforce, and -10 - -15 ride height in all cases.
Anyway, here we go...
Oh yeah. There is no feedback in this comment. If you tuners can wait til the last minute to put up tunes, I figure it's fair we testers can wait til the last minute to write up feedback
About to start testing the GT500s now. Wanted to do a bit of practice beforehand, using manual transmission for the first time
Some pre-test data in case you find it interesting... using my own cars the times I've gotten so far:
1:38.184 - Nismo GTR '03
1:38.488 - Tom' Supra '97
1:38.521 - Nismo GTR '08
1:38.957 - Arta NSX '06
1:39.324 - Denso SC430 '08
Some were power-limited more than others, so I dunno if that affected results. No turbos or dirty oil tricks
Max downforce, and -10 - -15 ride height in all cases.Anyway, here we go...
Oh yeah. There is no feedback in this comment.
If you tuners can wait til the last minute to put up tunes, I figure it's fair we testers can wait til the last minute to write up feedback
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Oh yeah. There is no feedback in this comment.
With that logic then I should be the first to get feedback, I had my GT300 tune down by the 6th, and the GT500 tune down by the 14th.
Come on...
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Tested with DS3. Drove all cars 5 hot laps. Posting fastest lap time and comments on the tune’s feel here and will PM my driver’s choice results to our host.
Adrenaline – Takata Dome NSX ’03 - lap time: 1:37.474
There are similarities in Adrenalines tune and mine. Similar LSD theories, similar spring settings but somehow his car is just rock stable… everywhere. I will be spending some considerable time comparing the differences for my own tuning growth (lower camber, higher brake numbers, slightly better gearbox and a 10 for front damper extension). Perfect mid-corner, perfect exit and near perfect entry. The car can slide a tiny bit loose on entry, but very manageable. I might try one or two clicks more of LSD decel, but there’s nothing else to change about this tune. It is just an awesome tune. Nice work Adrenaline.
Motor City Hamilton – Takata dome NSX ’03 – lap time: 1:37.760
I leaned a few things after driving Adrenaline’s tune. With his car I ran five laps all under 1:37. With mine, I got there in five laps, but really had to work for it. At lap attack speed, my tune is a bit loose on entry and can spin the inside rear wheel on exit.
CSLACR – Calsonic GT-R ’08 – lap time: 1:38.395
The first lap of this tune felt really fast, but the lap time was only on par with the Lambos. I decided I just wasn’t pushing her hard enough so I set out to find her limit. This is a near perfect tune for this car. I can see only two minor potential improvements. First, I think the transmission is asking for too much from 6th gear. I think I can see the theory, get off the line quick because there are more shorter straights and only one long one. I should go back and drive this car against Adrenalines ghost because I think it may pull away in 6th gear. Maybe lengthen 4th and 5th a little and shorten 6th as a trade off? Second, when I really pushed it hard I got a touch of outside wheel spin. Maybe one notch less of LSD accel… maybe. I am talking tiny improvements here to get this car into the 1:37 range. Great tune.
Geebaby – Takata Dome NSX ’03 – lap time 1:38.432
Adrenaline set a new benchmark with the Takata Dome. Geebaby’s is still fast and I put down a respectable time with it, but I really had to work for it. There is one very distracting bit about this tune that can break your concentration if you aren’t really focused. When approaching corners 13, 14, 15 and 16 I had to choose either an upshift to 3rd with a quick downshift to 2nd or let it bounce off the rev limiter in 2nd. I tried leaving it in 3rd through that section but the tune has one other weakness that doesn’t allow it. I thought the car felt a bit lazy around mid-corner. You can really feel it in the long left reducing radius corner. It just won’t hug the inside. Overall a good tune and a quick time.
Ugabugaz – Takata Dome NSX ’03 – lap time 1:38.478
So different from my own tune on this car; slammed ride height, softer springs, low camber numbers, higher LSD and yet it is still very fast and quite drive able. Like I said earlier in this thread, the Takata Dome seems to have a wide tuning window to be fast within. This tune is different, but still very good. The only improvement that I would recommend is to lower LSD accel, maybe even up to ten numbers. I had to be careful getting back to throttle on exit. I never saw a red tire or tire smoke, but the outside rear tire did turn whiter than the inside.
Onboy – Rabrig NSX ’06 – lap time 1:39.825
Onboy, the way that you describe your tunes, I always expect to drive something awful. It is never the case. Fantastic corner entry and braking. Good mid-corner. Overall it is a fun tune and a decent lap time. It does have one fatal flaw, corner exit. Be very, very careful on exit when getting back to throttle. You need to be almost straight before hitting full throttle. I experienced that it was pretty easy to spin the outside rear wheel which to me is a product of a high LSD accel number. Also, you left a bit on the table with the transmission. Maybe a taller 2nd gear could help with exit wheel spin? And not even close to redline with 6th gear.
Krenkme – Lamborghini Nomad Diablo GT-1 – lap time: 140.053
The sign of a good tune is when you can drive on top of the ghost lap after lap. This is the best of the Lambos. Perfect LSD, springs matched to dampers so the car was smooth – no bouncing around like other cars tested. Great corner balance, entry, mid-corner and exit. I don’t know what held this car back on lap time? Maybe a little shorter 2nd and 3rd gear or maybe it is just the Lambo compared to the newer cars. I like this car better than many of the tunes with faster times. If this were a Lambo challenge, this car would be the winner… hands down. Nice tune.
TrackRipper123 - Castorl Tom's Supra '00 - lap time: 140.493
This tune is difficult to describe. It's pretty good everywhere, but not superb anywhere. It's good at entry and mid-corner, but just short of spot on. It's good on exit, but just a hint of outside rear wheel spin if overdone. The gearbox is good, but it doesn't feel jumpin' fast like some of the others. I liked the tune and think I'd be fine taking her to dinner again, but I'm not looking for something long term. Does that make sense? I think it's less about the tune and more about what PD has done to this car since GT3. Why PD, why... why did you have to neuter such a cool car?
MrGrado – Lamborghini Nomad Diablo GT-1 – lap time: 140.709
Great braking and corner entry. Good exit, but with a bit of outside wheel spin. Mid-corner was good, but found myself waiting for it to rotate around the center. The LSD settings on this car are higher than I normally use, but these worked well in this combination 28/32/22. I would try 28/28-30/15 and see if the mid-corner rotation improves and if it rids the outside wheel spin? Really only one significant issue with the tune – sixth gear was like hitting overdrive while towing uphill in my F150. The car just stopped accelerating and didn’t come close to the rev limiter on the long straight.
Xdesperado67 - Lamborghini Nomad Diablo GT-1 – lap time: 140.867
I thought everyone was giving X a little too much grief over his downforce settings. I thought it was a nice, bold move to chase for speed. It actually may have held back the tune a little. Good transmission settings, good corner entry and mid-corner. A pretty well balanced tune. There really isn’t anything glowingly wrong with the handling of the tune. Was downforce the difference? A little long in the braking zones compared to the other cars. A tiny bit of outside wheel spin off the 2nd gear corners – maybe one click lower LSD accel… maybe? I couldn’t rip off the corner on exit. It’s a good feeling car that just didn’t produce the lap time.
Nooooooooo. Three Takata Dome '03's make the top five. I will admit that I had just returned from vacation and knew I would have about an hour to tune something for this competition. So I sent Adrenaline a PM and asked his advice on car selection. Thank you Adrenaline for steering me in the right direction for a fast car. Now, after driving your tune, I can see all that this car can be. You hands down earned the top spot among my favorites. As for my own tune, I always feel funny as a tester with my own car in the mix with a tune hand built for me. I have been able to stay honest so far and will with this one as well. My car is 2nd fastest for me, but CSLACR put together a very fast tune on a car that has no business racing against the Takata Dome.
My top five.
1. Adrenaline - What else can I say. I have a whole new respect for your abilities.
2. CSLACR - It's getting boring to see you on the podium so much.
3. Motor City Hamilton - Fast but not refined.
4. Kremkme - The fastest of the Lambos.
5. Ugabugaz - For finding a different way to make a Takata Dome fast.
Adrenaline – Takata Dome NSX ’03 - lap time: 1:37.474
There are similarities in Adrenalines tune and mine. Similar LSD theories, similar spring settings but somehow his car is just rock stable… everywhere. I will be spending some considerable time comparing the differences for my own tuning growth (lower camber, higher brake numbers, slightly better gearbox and a 10 for front damper extension). Perfect mid-corner, perfect exit and near perfect entry. The car can slide a tiny bit loose on entry, but very manageable. I might try one or two clicks more of LSD decel, but there’s nothing else to change about this tune. It is just an awesome tune. Nice work Adrenaline.
Motor City Hamilton – Takata dome NSX ’03 – lap time: 1:37.760
I leaned a few things after driving Adrenaline’s tune. With his car I ran five laps all under 1:37. With mine, I got there in five laps, but really had to work for it. At lap attack speed, my tune is a bit loose on entry and can spin the inside rear wheel on exit.
CSLACR – Calsonic GT-R ’08 – lap time: 1:38.395
The first lap of this tune felt really fast, but the lap time was only on par with the Lambos. I decided I just wasn’t pushing her hard enough so I set out to find her limit. This is a near perfect tune for this car. I can see only two minor potential improvements. First, I think the transmission is asking for too much from 6th gear. I think I can see the theory, get off the line quick because there are more shorter straights and only one long one. I should go back and drive this car against Adrenalines ghost because I think it may pull away in 6th gear. Maybe lengthen 4th and 5th a little and shorten 6th as a trade off? Second, when I really pushed it hard I got a touch of outside wheel spin. Maybe one notch less of LSD accel… maybe. I am talking tiny improvements here to get this car into the 1:37 range. Great tune.
Geebaby – Takata Dome NSX ’03 – lap time 1:38.432
Adrenaline set a new benchmark with the Takata Dome. Geebaby’s is still fast and I put down a respectable time with it, but I really had to work for it. There is one very distracting bit about this tune that can break your concentration if you aren’t really focused. When approaching corners 13, 14, 15 and 16 I had to choose either an upshift to 3rd with a quick downshift to 2nd or let it bounce off the rev limiter in 2nd. I tried leaving it in 3rd through that section but the tune has one other weakness that doesn’t allow it. I thought the car felt a bit lazy around mid-corner. You can really feel it in the long left reducing radius corner. It just won’t hug the inside. Overall a good tune and a quick time.
Ugabugaz – Takata Dome NSX ’03 – lap time 1:38.478
So different from my own tune on this car; slammed ride height, softer springs, low camber numbers, higher LSD and yet it is still very fast and quite drive able. Like I said earlier in this thread, the Takata Dome seems to have a wide tuning window to be fast within. This tune is different, but still very good. The only improvement that I would recommend is to lower LSD accel, maybe even up to ten numbers. I had to be careful getting back to throttle on exit. I never saw a red tire or tire smoke, but the outside rear tire did turn whiter than the inside.
Onboy – Rabrig NSX ’06 – lap time 1:39.825
Onboy, the way that you describe your tunes, I always expect to drive something awful. It is never the case. Fantastic corner entry and braking. Good mid-corner. Overall it is a fun tune and a decent lap time. It does have one fatal flaw, corner exit. Be very, very careful on exit when getting back to throttle. You need to be almost straight before hitting full throttle. I experienced that it was pretty easy to spin the outside rear wheel which to me is a product of a high LSD accel number. Also, you left a bit on the table with the transmission. Maybe a taller 2nd gear could help with exit wheel spin? And not even close to redline with 6th gear.
Krenkme – Lamborghini Nomad Diablo GT-1 – lap time: 140.053
The sign of a good tune is when you can drive on top of the ghost lap after lap. This is the best of the Lambos. Perfect LSD, springs matched to dampers so the car was smooth – no bouncing around like other cars tested. Great corner balance, entry, mid-corner and exit. I don’t know what held this car back on lap time? Maybe a little shorter 2nd and 3rd gear or maybe it is just the Lambo compared to the newer cars. I like this car better than many of the tunes with faster times. If this were a Lambo challenge, this car would be the winner… hands down. Nice tune.
TrackRipper123 - Castorl Tom's Supra '00 - lap time: 140.493
This tune is difficult to describe. It's pretty good everywhere, but not superb anywhere. It's good at entry and mid-corner, but just short of spot on. It's good on exit, but just a hint of outside rear wheel spin if overdone. The gearbox is good, but it doesn't feel jumpin' fast like some of the others. I liked the tune and think I'd be fine taking her to dinner again, but I'm not looking for something long term. Does that make sense? I think it's less about the tune and more about what PD has done to this car since GT3. Why PD, why... why did you have to neuter such a cool car?
MrGrado – Lamborghini Nomad Diablo GT-1 – lap time: 140.709
Great braking and corner entry. Good exit, but with a bit of outside wheel spin. Mid-corner was good, but found myself waiting for it to rotate around the center. The LSD settings on this car are higher than I normally use, but these worked well in this combination 28/32/22. I would try 28/28-30/15 and see if the mid-corner rotation improves and if it rids the outside wheel spin? Really only one significant issue with the tune – sixth gear was like hitting overdrive while towing uphill in my F150. The car just stopped accelerating and didn’t come close to the rev limiter on the long straight.
Xdesperado67 - Lamborghini Nomad Diablo GT-1 – lap time: 140.867
I thought everyone was giving X a little too much grief over his downforce settings. I thought it was a nice, bold move to chase for speed. It actually may have held back the tune a little. Good transmission settings, good corner entry and mid-corner. A pretty well balanced tune. There really isn’t anything glowingly wrong with the handling of the tune. Was downforce the difference? A little long in the braking zones compared to the other cars. A tiny bit of outside wheel spin off the 2nd gear corners – maybe one click lower LSD accel… maybe? I couldn’t rip off the corner on exit. It’s a good feeling car that just didn’t produce the lap time.
Nooooooooo. Three Takata Dome '03's make the top five. I will admit that I had just returned from vacation and knew I would have about an hour to tune something for this competition. So I sent Adrenaline a PM and asked his advice on car selection. Thank you Adrenaline for steering me in the right direction for a fast car. Now, after driving your tune, I can see all that this car can be. You hands down earned the top spot among my favorites. As for my own tune, I always feel funny as a tester with my own car in the mix with a tune hand built for me. I have been able to stay honest so far and will with this one as well. My car is 2nd fastest for me, but CSLACR put together a very fast tune on a car that has no business racing against the Takata Dome.
My top five.
1. Adrenaline - What else can I say. I have a whole new respect for your abilities.
2. CSLACR - It's getting boring to see you on the podium so much.
3. Motor City Hamilton - Fast but not refined.
4. Kremkme - The fastest of the Lambos.
5. Ugabugaz - For finding a different way to make a Takata Dome fast.
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Sorry about the FR Hami, I'll try and accept as soon as I can.
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No hurry. I usually only get to play after 10pm Eastern anyway. Tonight or tomorrow. Still plenty of time until the deadline. Might test the GT300 group too?
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Hami, Thank you for the review. You confirmed exactly where I knew the car was weak. I didn't get a chance to do tranny work as I was only going to do the Gt300. I added the Gt500 at the last minute just to see how it would match up and to get some pointer on improving it from the experts.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
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Thanks Hami 👍. I made this tune awhile ago, to run a 20 lap race (I think it was anyway). And also found it very easy to drive, but lacked outright speed.
Very glad that you enjoyed driving it, thank you for the kind words, and thank you very much for testing.
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Thanks, like I said, I sacrificed entry, because the gains it gives for mid cornering ability far outweigh what you lose on the entry due to this tracks sweeping and never ending mid speed corners. I only had an issue with turn 1, and I expected that's where I would hear the most complaints. But it was an easy sacrifice to make, for a tune that's suited to a single track. Probably wouldn't ever do that on a real tune of mine. Accepted the other friends requests today. Enjoy your weekends everyone, thanks for the kind words Hami. I'll probably test the other Takata entries myself sometime this week.
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RESULTS
All my tests were done with a DS3, manual transmission (finally wearing my big boy pants!), ABS 1.
GT500
Desperado - Diablo - 1:40.214
Due to the "differentness" of this car, I had problems with overshooting brake points, unexpected understeer and oversteer/control issues. Felt pretty humiliated by it on my first go, but decided to revisit it later, which I'm glad I did as I was able to bring the time down by over a second, and could consistently run 1:40s. An ambitious tune that made me think outside the GT500 box. It also helped a lot that the gearing on this car was closest to my own expectations for transmission setup on this track.
Onboy - Raybrig NSX - 1:38.936
Well somehow this car was .02 faster than my own Arta NSX time, despite being harder to use. Was I supposed to be drifting around the corners? Not sure how I beat my own Arta time, but I did. 
Still, compared to Desperado's Lambo, a piece of cake to drive!
CSLACR - Calsonic GTR '08 - 1:37.345
A really lovely car. So responsive, just fantastic tuning. This gave me my fastest first lap of 1:38.1 so I was pretty blown away off the bat. The car simply wouldn't run anything slower than a low 38, and gave me many high 37's. Took me a little longer than I hoped to get a low 37, which I choked up a bit at the end with some shifting mistakes. Some minor control issues on my part, but it was my own limitations holding this car back from a 36 in my hands.
krenkme - Diablo - 1:39.631
Despite having a million times more downforce than Desperado's, surprisingly couldn't get around the track that much faster. The Lambo has a lot of wheel spin that's hard to deal with - use a light touch on the throttle and your previous ghost goes flying past you, so getting up to speed and shifting properly was causing me trouble with both. Eventually accepted the fact that I was going to smoke the tires coming out of most corners and once I did, managed to bring it under 1:40.
trackripper123 - Tom's Supra '00 - 1:39.331
Easier to drive than the MRs, but not as easy as my own Supra '97. I think there's just too much camber for me, and possibly the lack of rear toe made this car more difficult to manage. Had a tough time keeping it steady on the final corner. Quite nice feel on some parts of the track, though maybe a better bet for a wheel user.
ugabugaz - Takata Dome NSX '03 - 1:37.761
The time says it all - indeed an NSX can be tuned so that I can break the 1:38 barrier! This car felt pretty nice right away, which actually made me overconfident. I botched the first several runs in some dumb way or another, but once I got a feel for the car and the gearing, it paid off. Could probably bring it down to a low 1:37 if I spent a disproportinate amount of time with the car. Quite surprised when I looked at the tune details after getting that time - high LSD, almost no toe and high camber, yet easy to drive. Great, creative tune!
MrGrado - Diablo - 1:39.914
Oh yay, another Diablo! I liked the feel of this Lambo best. The gearing was spread out a bit more, and for a car with serious wheelspin issues, this probably helped mitigate that somewhat. The throttle wasn't quite as touchy as with krenk's. Why is this time slower? Only beause I think he stole my one and only lucky run with this car. In both cases, I was only able to run one sub 1:40 lap; this one was being a .9, his being a .6, and I'm nowhere near being consistent within .3 with the Diablo. I managed to get ahead by a slim fraction on a couple of followup attempts but just couldn't hold it til the end.
Adrenaline - Takata Dome NSX '03 - 1:37.274
Wow, what a car! Likes to slide a bit around the corners like Onboy's Raybrig, but very manageable. A first run with lots of mistakes giving me a 1:39 and I knew I'd be getting a nice time with this. Ran a few consistent 1:38s, then finally running consistent 1:37s. Drove very carefully through the third sector to get the .274. Pretty sure I'd eventually get a 1:36 with this car, but it'd take quite a few more laps of practice.
Motor City Hami - Takata Dome NSX '03 - 1:37.925
This was an odd tune to drive - The first half lap was easy-peasy, then in the 2nd half I suddenly realized that this thing really likes to sliiide around those corners! Despite being taken by surprise, somehow pulled off a first lap of 38.2, the 2nd fastest 1st lap of the bunch! However... I then spent another 10 laps then trying to beat it, thinking I had a handle on the car... but not. And wondering what the hell I did to get that first laptime. Finally managed to find some balance between caution and risk and squeaked under the 1:38 mark. Not such an easy car for me to drive, I have to admit. Wanted to like it more, because I've used his tuning guide to improve 99% of my own cars.
praiano63/Geebaby - Takata Dome NSX '03 - 1:37.312
Oh my. This car was smooth. Smoother than silk, glass, butter, velvet, the top of my grandmother's piano, a summer lake at dawn and a baby's bottom combined. Ran a 1:38.25 on my first go(!) Then ran a bunch of mid 37's and finally the .312. Never ran a clean lap over 38. But... the 37.312 is where I topped out. For some reason just couldn't beat my fastest run with Adernaline's car. Still, I think this is the tune I'd take to an online race for its sheer ease of use and consistency.
Top 5 picks:
1. CSLACR - Not just another '03 Dome yet could hang with them no problem. A unique pick, premium model, fantastic tune, angry sounding racecar. What more could I ask? Oh yeah, the fastest first laptime too! This is a big deal to me because it likely indicates how well the car would do for me in a race.
2. praiano63/Geebaby - Shockingly good feel, consistent, fast laptimes. A winning car & tune.
3. Adrenaline - Gave me my fastest laptime.
4. Desperado - Downforce, pah! Who needs it?
5. MrGrado - Best driving Diablo for me.
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GT300
Wanted to run through these more quickly, so unlike the 500s which I gave 10-12 laps, the 300s got 7 laps maxumum, plus maybe 1 or 2 defaults. (Was supposed to be 6 including defaults, but then I tried Desperado's "no downforce special")
Desperado - Garaiya '03 - 1:45.931
This time came down to luck - no downforce again makes for some pretty random corner exits, especially after the hairpin. Ran this until my lucky number came up and just got it under 1:46. The lap times were kinda all over the place though.
VTiRoj - CUSCO '08 - 1:45.676
Ahh, an easy car to drive! But... the understeer. Hadn't driven a 4WD on this track yet, so it took a few laps to adjust my corner entries. Eventually running easy, consistent mid 46's, but seemed to hit my limit there.
...And then I tried it again later. I think because I'd originally driven Desperado's Garaiya just before, I was being far too cautious with this. I attacked it more aggressively the second time around, and indeed the car will drift easily around corners when you throw it into them. A fun and fast little 4WD.
krenkme - Asparadrink RX7 '06 - 1:45.490
Wonderful car to drive! Gave me consistent mid 45's. Great turn-in after braking and easy to get on the gas, making the 3rd sector much less painful than usual. My favourite drive... so far!
Onboy - Garaiya '03 - 1:45.608
Easier that Desperado's Garaiya so this lap came a lot sooner. To be honest, didn't feel tooo different from my own Garaiya '08 with a basic tune. The 300 cars all seem kind of go-kartish, so it's tougher to tell one mid engine car from another (unless one of them has no downforce. )
CSLACR - Celica '03 - 1:44.167
Troll car alert!! I know from testing the Celica offline that I could run mid 1:44s, this tune just made it that much more trollish. Good job! (I think I could've brought it down to 1:43, but I really didn't want to give this more than the bare minimum laps - each of which were clean and faster than the previous until the 6th.)
trackripper123 - CUSCO '03 - 1:45.325
Another easy-to-drive 4WD - correction 2WD but with less understeer! I think for a track like this with fast corners and tight hairpins, understeer is a real killer, so good work on minimizing that. Still easy to step on the gas though. 2nd fastest laptime so far, with nice consistent mid 45's. Great tune! (And maybe a bit of the '03 standard advantage...? Hmm 
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Jackthalad - Asparadrink RX7 '06 - 1:45.123
Beautiful driving car. Hard to rate against krenkme's car, but this one gave me the faster laptime even though I started this session with this Jack's RX7. Is starting out cold an advantage or disadvantage?
ugabugaz - CUSCO '08 - 1:45.736
I ran this one down to a 1:45.8 without too much trouble, over half a second faster than my original run with VTiRoj's Cusco. Which made me go back and try that one again, beating this time by 0.2. So out of fairness, I revisited this car after that and managed to pull off another tenth. I did find this car more grippy but couldn't quite match the speed of the other Cusco. Nice, easy car, but I just end up driving it a bit slow.
MrGrado - IS350 '08 - 1:47.147
Well for a car that sounds like it's working its ass off, it unfortunately didn't get the times to show for it.
Tough to get on the accelerator too. Fun to drive because of the sound and pretty satisfying to actually nail an apex with it though.
praiano64/Geebaby - Celica '03 - 1:44.623
Well, it's a Celica all right. But... I dunno, I just wasn't feeling it with this car so much. I managed to match the time I set with my own Celica before the shootout but couldn't really do much better for some reason. Maybe a touch of unexpected oversteer here and there and just a tad unstable. Or it could have been my driving.
Top 5 picks:
1. VTiRoj - You know, in the end, I think this car was the most fun to drive. A bit of a surprise because my own expectation was that 4WD would have a big disadvantage on this track, especially on race tires.
2. CSLACR - Great car, great tune. Kinda didn't want to put this too high on the list, but the time and consistency don't lie.
3. Jackthalad - 2nd favourite driving car. Just wish I could've figured out how to get 44s in the few laps I gave these cars.
4. krenkme - Really tied with Jack, only 4th because of the slower laptime.
5. Onboy - The car I liked driving the most... after the 4 above.
All my tests were done with a DS3, manual transmission (finally wearing my big boy pants!), ABS 1.
GT500
Desperado - Diablo - 1:40.214
Due to the "differentness" of this car, I had problems with overshooting brake points, unexpected understeer and oversteer/control issues. Felt pretty humiliated by it on my first go, but decided to revisit it later, which I'm glad I did as I was able to bring the time down by over a second, and could consistently run 1:40s. An ambitious tune that made me think outside the GT500 box. It also helped a lot that the gearing on this car was closest to my own expectations for transmission setup on this track.
Onboy - Raybrig NSX - 1:38.936
Well somehow this car was .02 faster than my own Arta NSX time, despite being harder to use. Was I supposed to be drifting around the corners?
Not sure how I beat my own Arta time, but I did. Still, compared to Desperado's Lambo, a piece of cake to drive! CSLACR - Calsonic GTR '08 - 1:37.345
A really lovely car. So responsive, just fantastic tuning. This gave me my fastest first lap of 1:38.1 so I was pretty blown away off the bat. The car simply wouldn't run anything slower than a low 38, and gave me many high 37's. Took me a little longer than I hoped to get a low 37, which I choked up a bit at the end with some shifting mistakes. Some minor control issues on my part, but it was my own limitations holding this car back from a 36 in my hands.
krenkme - Diablo - 1:39.631
Despite having a million times more downforce than Desperado's, surprisingly couldn't get around the track that much faster. The Lambo has a lot of wheel spin that's hard to deal with - use a light touch on the throttle and your previous ghost goes flying past you, so getting up to speed and shifting properly was causing me trouble with both. Eventually accepted the fact that I was going to smoke the tires coming out of most corners and once I did, managed to bring it under 1:40.
trackripper123 - Tom's Supra '00 - 1:39.331
Easier to drive than the MRs, but not as easy as my own Supra '97. I think there's just too much camber for me, and possibly the lack of rear toe made this car more difficult to manage. Had a tough time keeping it steady on the final corner. Quite nice feel on some parts of the track, though maybe a better bet for a wheel user.
ugabugaz - Takata Dome NSX '03 - 1:37.761
The time says it all - indeed an NSX can be tuned so that I can break the 1:38 barrier! This car felt pretty nice right away, which actually made me overconfident. I botched the first several runs in some dumb way or another, but once I got a feel for the car and the gearing, it paid off. Could probably bring it down to a low 1:37 if I spent a disproportinate amount of time with the car. Quite surprised when I looked at the tune details after getting that time - high LSD, almost no toe and high camber, yet easy to drive. Great, creative tune!
MrGrado - Diablo - 1:39.914
Oh yay, another Diablo!
I liked the feel of this Lambo best. The gearing was spread out a bit more, and for a car with serious wheelspin issues, this probably helped mitigate that somewhat. The throttle wasn't quite as touchy as with krenk's. Why is this time slower? Only beause I think he stole my one and only lucky run with this car. In both cases, I was only able to run one sub 1:40 lap; this one was being a .9, his being a .6, and I'm nowhere near being consistent within .3 with the Diablo. I managed to get ahead by a slim fraction on a couple of followup attempts but just couldn't hold it til the end.Adrenaline - Takata Dome NSX '03 - 1:37.274
Wow, what a car! Likes to slide a bit around the corners like Onboy's Raybrig, but very manageable. A first run with lots of mistakes giving me a 1:39 and I knew I'd be getting a nice time with this. Ran a few consistent 1:38s, then finally running consistent 1:37s. Drove very carefully through the third sector to get the .274.
Pretty sure I'd eventually get a 1:36 with this car, but it'd take quite a few more laps of practice.Motor City Hami - Takata Dome NSX '03 - 1:37.925
This was an odd tune to drive - The first half lap was easy-peasy, then in the 2nd half I suddenly realized that this thing really likes to sliiide around those corners!
Despite being taken by surprise, somehow pulled off a first lap of 38.2, the 2nd fastest 1st lap of the bunch! However... I then spent another 10 laps then trying to beat it, thinking I had a handle on the car... but not. And wondering what the hell I did to get that first laptime. Finally managed to find some balance between caution and risk and squeaked under the 1:38 mark. Not such an easy car for me to drive, I have to admit. Wanted to like it more, because I've used his tuning guide to improve 99% of my own cars. praiano63/Geebaby - Takata Dome NSX '03 - 1:37.312
Oh my. This car was smooth. Smoother than silk, glass, butter, velvet, the top of my grandmother's piano, a summer lake at dawn and a baby's bottom combined. Ran a 1:38.25 on my first go(!) Then ran a bunch of mid 37's and finally the .312. Never ran a clean lap over 38. But... the 37.312 is where I topped out. For some reason just couldn't beat my fastest run with Adernaline's car. Still, I think this is the tune I'd take to an online race for its sheer ease of use and consistency.
Top 5 picks:
1. CSLACR - Not just another '03 Dome
yet could hang with them no problem. A unique pick, premium model, fantastic tune, angry sounding racecar. What more could I ask? Oh yeah, the fastest first laptime too! This is a big deal to me because it likely indicates how well the car would do for me in a race.2. praiano63/Geebaby - Shockingly good feel, consistent, fast laptimes. A winning car & tune.
3. Adrenaline - Gave me my fastest laptime.
4. Desperado - Downforce, pah! Who needs it?
5. MrGrado - Best driving Diablo for me.
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GT300
Wanted to run through these more quickly, so unlike the 500s which I gave 10-12 laps, the 300s got 7 laps maxumum, plus maybe 1 or 2 defaults. (Was supposed to be 6 including defaults, but then I tried Desperado's "no downforce special"
)Desperado - Garaiya '03 - 1:45.931
This time came down to luck - no downforce again makes for some pretty random corner exits, especially after the hairpin. Ran this until my lucky number came up and just got it under 1:46. The lap times were kinda all over the place though.
VTiRoj - CUSCO '08 - 1:45.676
Ahh, an easy car to drive! But... the understeer.
Hadn't driven a 4WD on this track yet, so it took a few laps to adjust my corner entries. Eventually running easy, consistent mid 46's, but seemed to hit my limit there....And then I tried it again later.
I think because I'd originally driven Desperado's Garaiya just before, I was being far too cautious with this. I attacked it more aggressively the second time around, and indeed the car will drift easily around corners when you throw it into them. A fun and fast little 4WD.krenkme - Asparadrink RX7 '06 - 1:45.490
Wonderful car to drive! Gave me consistent mid 45's. Great turn-in after braking and easy to get on the gas, making the 3rd sector much less painful than usual. My favourite drive... so far!
Onboy - Garaiya '03 - 1:45.608
Easier that Desperado's Garaiya
so this lap came a lot sooner. To be honest, didn't feel tooo different from my own Garaiya '08 with a basic tune. The 300 cars all seem kind of go-kartish, so it's tougher to tell one mid engine car from another (unless one of them has no downforce. )CSLACR - Celica '03 - 1:44.167
Troll car alert!! I know from testing the Celica offline that I could run mid 1:44s, this tune just made it that much more trollish. Good job! (I think I could've brought it down to 1:43, but I really didn't want to give this more than the bare minimum laps - each of which were clean and faster than the previous until the 6th.)
trackripper123 - CUSCO '03 - 1:45.325
Another easy-to-drive 4WD - correction 2WD
but with less understeer! I think for a track like this with fast corners and tight hairpins, understeer is a real killer, so good work on minimizing that. Still easy to step on the gas though. 2nd fastest laptime so far, with nice consistent mid 45's. Great tune! (And maybe a bit of the '03 standard advantage...? Hmm )Jackthalad - Asparadrink RX7 '06 - 1:45.123
Beautiful driving car. Hard to rate against krenkme's car, but this one gave me the faster laptime even though I started this session with this Jack's RX7. Is starting out cold an advantage or disadvantage?
ugabugaz - CUSCO '08 - 1:45.736
I ran this one down to a 1:45.8 without too much trouble, over half a second faster than my original run with VTiRoj's Cusco. Which made me go back and try that one again, beating this time by 0.2. So out of fairness, I revisited this car after that and managed to pull off another tenth. I did find this car more grippy but couldn't quite match the speed of the other Cusco. Nice, easy car, but I just end up driving it a bit slow.
MrGrado - IS350 '08 - 1:47.147
Well for a car that sounds like it's working its ass off, it unfortunately didn't get the times to show for it.
Tough to get on the accelerator too. Fun to drive because of the sound and pretty satisfying to actually nail an apex with it though.praiano64/Geebaby - Celica '03 - 1:44.623
Well, it's a Celica all right. But... I dunno, I just wasn't feeling it with this car so much. I managed to match the time I set with my own Celica before the shootout but couldn't really do much better for some reason. Maybe a touch of unexpected oversteer here and there and just a tad unstable. Or it could have been my driving.
Top 5 picks:
1. VTiRoj - You know, in the end, I think this car was the most fun to drive. A bit of a surprise because my own expectation was that 4WD would have a big disadvantage on this track, especially on race tires.
2. CSLACR - Great car, great tune. Kinda didn't want to put this too high on the list, but the time and consistency don't lie.
3. Jackthalad - 2nd favourite driving car. Just wish I could've figured out how to get 44s in the few laps I gave these cars.
4. krenkme - Really tied with Jack, only 4th because of the slower laptime.
5. Onboy - The car I liked driving the most... after the 4 above.
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I'll test out the gearing on the test course then, but with it's power-band I'd be surprised to see it gain anything. The NSX has a monster top speed, so I'm guessing that's why the Takata took off in 6th gear down the straight.
Thanks for the kind words, I'm certainly going to try yours and Adrenaline's tunes for the Takata in the very near future to build my own.👍
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- Ziz528
smrtb0mb
Surprising you comment on the wheel, I tuned it with a DS3. It did originally have a fair amount of rear toe but I figured on-throttle oversteer was better than on-throttle understeer
Also surprised that my driving ability isn't all that bad, if these times are anything to go by, I clocked a high 1.39 myself
Thanks for the review, I had my suspicions about what was slightly iffy with the car and I was right judging from your comments. Cheers 👍
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- ugabugaz
Sweet, delicious feedback - The Takata with many A's and O's seems to be doing well so far..The comments are quite spot on as to what I think of it, except for LSD settings, I like it like that.
Think I'll do some testing actually...Question being GT300 - GT500 - or both..I really wanna try those other Takatas. By the way my initial tune of my Takata was actually done on GP/F (Very few changes as compared to current form of tune)
Think I'll do some testing actually...Question being GT300 - GT500 - or both..I really wanna try those other Takatas. By the way my initial tune of my Takata was actually done on GP/F (Very few changes as compared to current form of tune)
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- XDesperado67
@MotorCityHami and smrtb0mb thanks for the tests and kind words for my Lambo.👍👍
As most know by now I like tuning the oddball cars, unfortunately with this Shootout the closest thing to an oddball is the Lamborghini. When I first started on the tune for it I was running near max downforce. The car was very easy to drive and dare I say this for a 500hp car with close to 600ft-lb of torque, almost boring. Lap times were very consistent, I was running low 1:41.xxx with an automatic transmission and my DS3, but felt it was slow and not really a fun drive. So I decided to try putting some fun and excitement into the car and make it about the driver and feel instead of just trying to get it to hot lap as fast as possible like a slot car. This Shootout is supposed to be about driving feel after all and not just lap times. Reducing the aero and changing up the brake balance gave me a car that I enjoyed driving a lot more, and while I had to work harder on putting in those clean laps it paid off wither a second gained in lap times. (I was down to 1:39s consistently by the end of tuning it.) Part of that was growing familiarity with the car and track due to lots of laps, but while a higher downforce might have eventually led to a faster lap time, I doubt I would have stayed interested in the car and driving the laps long enough to find that speed without the car being a bit more challenging to drive. Boring cars to drive for me tend not to get many laps put on them. Cars that can challenge my driving like my "Holy Handgrenade " and "Spectre" will keep me putting in countless laps even when they have me completely frustrated.
As most know by now I like tuning the oddball cars, unfortunately with this Shootout the closest thing to an oddball is the Lamborghini. When I first started on the tune for it I was running near max downforce. The car was very easy to drive and dare I say this for a 500hp car with close to 600ft-lb of torque, almost boring. Lap times were very consistent, I was running low 1:41.xxx with an automatic transmission and my DS3, but felt it was slow and not really a fun drive. So I decided to try putting some fun and excitement into the car and make it about the driver and feel instead of just trying to get it to hot lap as fast as possible like a slot car. This Shootout is supposed to be about driving feel after all and not just lap times. Reducing the aero and changing up the brake balance gave me a car that I enjoyed driving a lot more, and while I had to work harder on putting in those clean laps it paid off wither a second gained in lap times. (I was down to 1:39s consistently by the end of tuning it.) Part of that was growing familiarity with the car and track due to lots of laps, but while a higher downforce might have eventually led to a faster lap time, I doubt I would have stayed interested in the car and driving the laps long enough to find that speed without the car being a bit more challenging to drive. Boring cars to drive for me tend not to get many laps put on them. Cars that can challenge my driving like my "Holy Handgrenade " and "Spectre" will keep me putting in countless laps even when they have me completely frustrated.
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- XDesperado67
On a whim I decided to run my current Budget Car Challenge Car around Fuji to see the lap time and how it compared to the GT300 class. Result a respectable 1:56.700
As you can see its down 36HP and over a 100ft-lbs of torque, Doesn't have a Fully Customizable transmission or Suspension and is using a stock LSD. I'm willing to bet that with those parts added and the power brought up to similar numbers as the GT300s that it would make up most of that 10second difference. By the way I had the rear wing set to 7 giving me 455PP as a higher setting induced to much understeer.Nissan Silvia K's (S13) '88 55,305.5km Cr13,645
Engine tuning Stage 1 Cr2,500
ECU Cr1,000
Racing Air Filter Cr450
Sports Exhaust Cr1,500
Sports Catalytic Converter Cr500
Low RPM Range Turbo Cr4,500
Height Adjustable Suspension Cr4,500
Racing Hard Tires Cr15,000
Wing C Cr500
Total cost Cr44,595
Car was given Chassis refresh and engine rebuild. Also added custom wheels and paint.
459PP, 264HP, 257ft-lb torque@4,500rpm with a 8,500rpm redline.
Came down to a choice between this and a Buick GNX...Had a S12 briefly in the mid eighties and decided to use this.
If photos of the car/build are needed I'll post them tomorrow.👍👍
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How I'm going to finish testing if CSLACR doesn't accept my FR?!
It's simple, we eat CSLACR.
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